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Windows 10 Passes 700 Million Devices (neowin.net)

At its Ignite 2018 conference, Microsoft said that Windows 10 has been installed on over 700 million active devices. Neowin reports of the confusion around this estimate, noting that "the last milestone was 600 million active devices" announced on November 29, 2017, nearly 10 months ago. From the report: If you follow Windows 10 news, this might not even seem like a major development. That's because the firm's communication around this has been wildly inconsistent. It started off when Windows and Devices chief Terry Myerson announced that he's leaving Microsoft, and he wrote in a farewell letter that Windows 10 is installed on nearly 700 million active devices. That was almost six months ago. At the firm's Build conference in May and at the Insider Dev Tour in July, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 is installed on over 700 million devices, only to retract those statements later on and say they were mistakes. But today after almost six months of "nearly 700 million", Windows 10 is officially installed on over 700 million devices.

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  1. What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....any version Windows has been on?

    1. Re:What is the most devices.... by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      First of all: What's a "device"?

      That sounds like a weasel-word if ever I heard one.

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    2. Re:What is the most devices.... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      First of all: What's a "device"? That sounds like a weasel-word if ever I heard one.

      It's the word Microsoft started to use when they thought they'd be counting Win10 phones too. But since they contribute practically nothing it's basically just PCs like before.

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    3. Re: What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont forget consoles. They are counting every single xbox in that too.

      And windows 10 tv sticks and budget tablets which have hardware too weak to do anything useful on since micosoft forced the hardware makers to make them shit, scuttling intels plans to enter the mobile market.

    4. Re:What is the most devices.... by kiviQr · · Score: 1

      They probably include Sufrace tablet.

    5. Re:What is the most devices.... by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My understanding is that a device is a PC, a laptop, a console, a tablet, an IOT SOC, a HoloLens, a surface hub, a phone, or any other piece of kit running Windows 10.

    6. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 PC Desktops, Laptops, SmartTV's, SmartPhones, Tablets, Xbox One's etc can all be considered "Win 10 Devices" however realistically they are talking about the PC's (Desktops and Laptops), Tablet's (which are just Laptops that are all screen), and SmartTV/Xbox One type of devices.

      There are Cars, ATM's, and various embedded devices like fridges/freezers, bus card readers and subway turnstiles which all run Windows.

    7. Re:What is the most devices.... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Well, the one thing we know is it's NOT a phone.

    8. Re: What is the most devices.... by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      this tells me there are "only" 700 million people literate enough to operate Windows 10. there are 9 billion people on earth. this is sad however...this issue keeps me employeed...125k...thank you to the general public for your support. for the past 25 years.

    9. Re: What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they include pirated ones on cheap laptops.

    10. Re: What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well Linux does run on a lot more devices than Windows. Many, many more.

    11. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      How? Linux is a kernel and DOES run on more devices and places than Windows. Android is Linux. 95% of the internet (servers, routers, switches, other equipment) is powered by Linux. Probably most IoT and standalone devices/appliances run Linux.

    12. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is that a device is a PC, a laptop, a console, a tablet, an IOT SOC, a HoloLens, a surface hub, a phone, or any other piece of kit running Windows 10.

      My understanding is that a device is a PC, a laptop, a console, a tablet, an IOT SOC, a HoloLens, a surface hub, a phone, or any other piece of SHIT running Windows 10.

      There, FTFY.

    13. Re: What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They include Windows 10 installs that people have rolled back or replaced. It's actually a very inaccurate and scummy method that Microsoft uses to arrive at their number.

      I'm guessing the true number of actual live, used installs of Windows 10 is probably closer to 100 million. Microsoft would never admit that though since they claimed Windows 10 would reach 1 billion users years ago. It's embarrassing for them that hasn't even remotely happened.

      Everyone uses what works and for most that is a smartphone running Android. Other than Apple customers, most consumers don't have corporate loyalties nor do they care about weird, techno-nerdy things like "operating systems" and if they do, they want Windows 7.

      Windows 10 is spyware. Windows 10 is adware. Windows 10 is crippleware. Windows 10 is failware.

    14. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all: What's a "device"?

      In this context obviously something you can install Windows 10 on. PCs, laptops, tablets, etc...

    15. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Windows phones still exist, and Windows 10 Mobile 1703 and 1709 are still being updated (until next year). Of course, there may only be 5 or so phones still actually in use at that level...

    16. Re: What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      recently, I don't know, my laptop OS thinks its a Phone but other times thinks its a tablet.

    17. Re:What is the most devices.... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      First of all: What's a "device"?

      That sounds like a weasel-word if ever I heard one.

      A piece of electronics that runs Windows 10. Here's a simple litmus test: Does the accumulated dense mass of atoms run Windows 10? Chances are it's a device.

    18. Re:What is the most devices.... by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      Self check outs at Grocery stores, atm machines, and other such devices. I wouldn't be supersized if the os isn't on certain auto's

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    19. Re:What is the most devices.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Linux runs on THREE types of platforms:

      * Desktops
      * Mobile
      * Super Computers

      The facts that ...

      * 2 billion mobile devices run Linux, and
      * 100% of the Top 500 super-computers run Linux ... has ZERO impact on the total number of Desktops running Linux. "Funny" how this is the only "space" that MS can compete in. LOL.

    20. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well .. to include "Desktops" is a bit of a stretch. Let's just say that it can, technically, be installed on a desktop (perhaps as a stunt or a joke), but near next to no one would be bothered to do so.

    21. Re: What is the most devices.... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I can visualize an OS very similar to the one my computer uses. Am I a device and am I running Windows 10?

    22. Re: What is the most devices.... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes. Windows 10 is running on your device. I don't see how you personally would be the device though. Do you have a brain implant? If so I can send you John Connor's address.

    23. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android is about as much Linux as HP-UX is Linux!
      Get your facts right and stop floating rubbish around.

      And funny enough, Microsoft actually contributes more code to the Linux Kernel than most other companies around.

    24. Re:What is the most devices.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much Linux is in Android?
      http://www.linux-magazine.com/...

  2. Windows 10 Infects 700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    FTFY

    1. Re: Windows 10 Infects 700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rome gets 700 millionth 'citizen'.

  3. Windows 10 Passes 700 Million kidney stones by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    Right in your lap. Here's where you say "Thank you Microsoft".

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  4. Officially the worst computer virus in history. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's hoping they give the persons that worked on it the maximum prison sentences possible. Which will keep the entire Microsoft Corporation in jail until the sun explodes.

  5. A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Xbox consoles

    Windows 10 phones which arent made anymore

    Buget atom tablets which microsoft gave away windows 10 on but in order to qualify the hardware maker had to purposely make the hardware suck, killing off intels efforts to gain marketshare over arm in the tablet market

    Win 7 and 8 machines that were automaticaly upgraded to 10 against the users will.

    People who upgraded to 10 for gaming since microsoft purposely holds back directx12 from anything other to windows10 to make people upgrade. The same bullshit they did with vista.

    People who upgraded because it was 'free' even though every other os is free eg linux, macos, android, ios, ps4, switch. Not being free is the outlyer here.

    People who upgraded because they have a new machine and microsoft refuses to give older version of windows support for newer cpus.

    Not the same windows 10. There is a huge difference between windows 10n enterprise ltsb which is subscription based, non bloated and has no bullshit vs the editions most people have which is infested with spyware, ads and superfluous programs.

    1. Re:A great number of these are: by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

      macOS isn't free. Neither is iOS
      If you think it is, can you tell me where I can legally purchase it to install on non-Apple hardware?

      Same goes for PS4's OS and non-Sony hardware. Switch and non-Nintendo hardware.

      Those OS's are all bundled with a hardware purchase and not available for purchase on their own.

    2. Re: A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What? If you can legally purchase it then it is not free!

    3. Re: A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is free. The same sort of free as a major firmware update for your bluray player or receiver etc that adds new features. If you dont have a compatible device to use the os/firmware thats hardly the giver's problem. When somebody doesnt have to give you something yet they do that is free. Does apple have to give you the new version of macos? No, so it is free.

      Also, the Windows 10 upgrade is touted as being 'free' yet you need to have an valid old license so if you want to argue that ios etc is not free because you need to own the hardware then windows10 upgrade isnt free either because you need a old license. Take your pick. Either macos is free or macos isnt free but then neither is the windows 10 upgrade.

    4. Re:A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xbox consoles

      Windows 10 phones which arent made anymore

      Buget atom tablets which microsoft gave away windows 10 on but in order to qualify the hardware maker had to purposely make the hardware suck, killing off intels efforts to gain marketshare over arm in the tablet market

      Win 7 and 8 machines that were automaticaly upgraded to 10 against the users will.

      Yes, just like the numbers are done for Linux which includes everything down to locked down cable boxes. What's wrong with that?

      People who upgraded to 10 for gaming since microsoft purposely holds back directx12 from anything other to windows10 to make people upgrade. The same bullshit they did with vista.

      Of course. You think they want to backport and support older versions? That's just a huge cost with no benefit. Same reason Android and iOS don't backport features to older versions.

      The interesting thing about it though is that despite hundreds of distros and years of banging on about Linux vs Windows the reality is that desktop Linux has made virtually no inroads to that market in the past 2 decades. Now you can keep blaming everybody else, blaming corporations or shady business tactics or whatever but the reality is that desktop Linux has failed to innovate or provide anything of substantial value to any significant amount of end users. Compare this to the smartphone market where Linux disrupted the dominance of Microsoft and RIM or the server market where Linux disrupted the dominance of Microsoft, Sun and others.

      The fact is it takes a corporation like Google or RedHat to actually bring real value and innovation, the Linux desktop community just provides no disruptive features and then whines about not being able to disrupt the market as a result only to quickly start trotting out excuses. Consumers are fickle, if you provide something of tangible value or disruptive innovation they will switch. There's no brand loyalty or business savvy behind Microsoft's success versus Linux, just an incompetent, whining competitor.

    5. Re:A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      macOS isn't free. Neither is iOS If you think it is, can you tell me where I can legally purchase it to install on non-Apple hardware?

      Same goes for PS4's OS and non-Sony hardware. Switch and non-Nintendo hardware.

      Those OS's are all bundled with a hardware purchase and not available for purchase on their own.

      Can you provide your definition of "free"? Because you seem very confused. Certainly I can legally purchase many things, Windows 10 for example, and I wouldn't consider them free, I can also acquire many things, Ubuntu for example, without legally purchasing them and I would consider them free.

    6. Re: A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MacOS Andrés iOS come with a console, MAC-OS is cheaper than Windows because it needs an Apple hardware, and no, people can't Install it in a regular PC directly because a verte special EFI is needed.

    7. Re: A great number of these are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "free" for various values of "free" ... and those firmware updates often REMOVE features (especially apps) that you once had.

  6. How many were truly voluntary, though? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many do you subtract that were forced on unsuspecting users, users who didn't know any better, and users who weren't otherwise given a choice? Can we also subtract out businesses, who either didn't have a choice, either, and their employees, who weren't given a choice by their employers?

    1. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by kiviQr · · Score: 1

      Somehow no one complains about iPhone updates

    2. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I would except that my iPhone is incredibly good about not installing an update when I say "don't install this update".

      I can almost get behind forced security updates, but never behind sneaky or forced OS updates.

      The one good thing about the Win10 upgrade insanity though is that MS finally can update an OS from version to version and have it mostly work...

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    3. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is like the sexy coca cola girl standing at the corner of a street forcing people to take the free drinks they are giving away. It gets shoved into your hands but youre happy to take it.

      Microsoft is like the annoying stinky religious person who starts off standing at the corner of the street and follows you all the way to where youre going, refusing to take no for answer until he can shove whatever phamlet, leaflet and magazine he has in his possession into every pocket of yours, and has your name, email and plans for the future.

    4. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by williamyf · · Score: 1

      Well, the free upgrade offer ended on July 29, 2016. At that time, Windows 10 had around 350 Million Devices.

      Let's assume every single one of those devices were a non-voluntary unsuspected user sneaky upgrade.

      that means that they had from then until now, 350Million more devices.

      And no, you can not substract business or governments, either that do not give employees a choice, or that they do not have a choice themselves, lest you want to substract places like governments in Venezuela, Italy, brazil, and india, or many a company, where linux is forced, and you can not choose either.

      At the end, the owner of the business choose voluntarily the tools to use.

      It would be like if a police officer complained that the department uses ford cars instead of Chrysler, or if in a mechanic shop the mechaincs complained that the tools are craftman instead of stanley... (to honor the long standing slashdot tradition of automotive analogies)

      In the end, OSs are tools, each with strengts and weaknesess, and should be used as such.

      OSs are not religions or sports teams...

      PS: Mac on my desktop, android on my pocket, Linux in my datacenter, if I can.

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    5. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no, you can not substract business or governments, either that do not give employees a choice...

      What about governments and businesses themselves that don't have a choice? Those that are forced to buy devices with Win10 pre-installed, but because they use software or hardware that isn't confirmed to work or that is known not to work with Win10, immediately nukes & pave with Win7 (or any other OS that's not Win10)?

    6. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      > the owner of the business choose voluntarily the tools to use.

      I recently purchased a business laptop, and even though I would have preferred Windows 7 or 8......... I had no choice. Windows X was the only option.

      Which sucks (it ties up the internet with constant, non-skippable updates).

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    7. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Meh, M$ routinely lies. So is a computer one device or many. Careful, they said installed on, not running on. So like the typical M$ PR wankers they are, I'll bet they are counting broken devices that were replaced with another windows 10 box. Hey if you installed windows 10 and then replaced it, guess fucking what, you still installed it. Hey this is fun, windows 10 killed your box and you had to reinstall, that is windows 10 installed again, woo hoo. Also, yeah, I checked, I can still get windows 8.1 at lot of custom build places offer it, installed with windows 10 sort of but not and then another licence. Yep M$ scored big on a dying desktop market, which they are helping to kill because they want to whack an anal probe right into your device, feed advertising to your desktop, control your use of the device you, charge you rent to access your data and then charge a licence fee to other software manufacturers to access the device but they sacrificed the majority of user respect and killed the mobile phones and tablets and no one buys a TV with windows on it.

      This bullshit press release, they are hurting, we know it, they know it and so the bullshit. Fuck you recalcitrant users you will be forced to use windows ten as commanded by M$ and here's proof numbers, we are dominating you and we will continue to dominate you, so fucking American. You have to feel sorry for those people who had to install windows anal probe on the same device more than once because windows anal probe 10 hosed their machine, suckers, your helping improve M$'s PR=B$ numbers, every time you are forced to reinstall they look better, it's another install, bwa hah hah (you just know they are counting them as well, you just know it).

      Now will the SEC investigate M$ to confirm the validity of the numbers because they have a big impact on share price and they have already been caught out lying and well guess fucking what, the SEC did nothing about them pumping up their share prices with false press releases, not just an empty tweet but a full on marketing campaign, probably not. M$ work closely with the US government hacking computers on automatic unstoppable updates with the slightest request, empty security letters. Hey if they accuse you computer of doing bad things and blame you, are you responsible or is M$, they have full access to your device at all times, back door right into it, your device is now legally insecure as you have no control over it, you have ceded control of that device to Windows anal probe 10, so where do the legal liabilities lie on the illegal activities of the device, until they can physically prove you used the device and activated those commands, M$ kind of has to prove that it did not do it until the authorities can prove you physically did it. You can not keep M$ management out of your device, they made it impossible once you connect it to the internet, so who is really legally liable for the activity of the device, if they can not physically prove you carried out those actions, a video record of you, your keyboard and screen.

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    8. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OSs are not religions or sports teams...

      Come on, have you ever seen a slashdot story about Microsoft that isn't filled with profanity-laced comments from red-faced, furious nerds? After this much time you'd think they would have just given up and used Linux or at least devoted that time to making a Linux distribution that is a genuine, viable competitor to Microsoft's OS but every story ends up filled with immature, angry comments and then every other story is about yet-another-linux-based-os or yet-another-linux-distribution that is just another also-ran.

      It is a tool to do a job so Linux needs to do the job substantially better for end users than Windows and for the overwhelming majority of people the fact (whatever excuses you decide to make as to why) is that none of the hundreds of linux distros do that.

    9. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, just like Gross Domestic Product! If you have a bunch of hurricanes and fires and earthquakes and have to rebuilt 1/2 of the housing stock in several states, the GDP just went way up. Didn't actually produce anything new; just replacing what was broken. But it was production! Same thing with Win10 sales and installations.

    10. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what is the Linux setup then that replaces even the basic Windows + Office? What distribution on what range of hardware (or company offering hardware and accompanying support) with what office suite + integrated calendars, meetings and email (client & server)?

      It's a tool to do a job and that is what businesses want, they don't want to cobble together their system out of various different bits of FOSS that are available, indeed even those in the FOSS community know that it's not viable to set up a business building a coherent system of those components because it won't provide any actual value to governments and corporations.

    11. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      users who didn't know any better

      Can you separate users who didn't know better from users who actually care? This isn't an iPhone. The last time I saw anyone remotely care about an OS upgrade was Windows XP.

      Actually that's not right, those poor people who used Vista were generally quite excited to use something else when the chance presented. But the point is most users don't give a shit what their computers run. Given them a Linux with a windows skin and the only thing you'll hear complaints about is that when they double click the .exe file it doesn't work (remember these complaints from the netbook days)?

    12. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Mostly 'cause I don't have one. There are many alternatives, ya know. Also and especially in a professional environment.

      Plus, as far as I know you can actually tell your iPhone that you need it now and it should postpone the update. It's not that easy with Windows when it decides to do the update NOW and to hell with you and your unsaved work.

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    13. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try to understand nerds: they have nothing else in life. Nothing else. Their lives are devoid of meaning, purpose, healthy human relationships. A kinder and gentler society would either re-educate or euthanize them, but for the moment we can only pity them.

    14. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that some people might not like it doesn't change the fact that it's installed on their devices and they're using it. Why would you subtract them?

    15. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Easy.
      1. People choose to buy iPhones. People who hate them buy an Android.
      2. This is anti MS site slashdot. A site like neowin.net is where the tiny Windows fanboys go.
      3. People don't choose to buy Windows. They do so because they need a PC for work or some task that uses software which runs on Windows.

      Gone are the days where PCs are cool and fun!

      Phones are cool and the PC is the boring visual word processor to type things. So because it's boring and a chore then OS updates are not cool anymore than updating the firmware in your thermostat. They are disruptive and due to legacy break shit. Windows 10 is technically superior to 7 and I love hyper-v and WSL Linux built but no one gives a shit as it's work.

    16. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      People do care about keeping 7. Windows 10 while technically supperior, has major breakage issues upon frequent updates.

      Agile reelease may work well on phones with jailed apps but legacy crud make Windows a nightmare. This is why MS wants developers to use the app store. Windows is a mess and a Hodge podge glue of legacy and unknown ungodly nightmare of hardware support from manufacturers who refuse to update drivers.

      Users don't care to the point where they need it to work but care when a change to something disruptive.

    17. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      My favorite is when the power goes out, and as you go to quickly get everything shut down before the UPS runs out of juice, and Windows decides THEN it wants to do an update.

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    18. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I'd be happy to upgrade to 10 if there weren't so many spyware issues to deal with. Microsoft made their own bed with this version.

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    19. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. It furthers the agenda that Windows only continues to exist because of some kind of strongarm monopoly position (which hasn't been the case since the mid 90s)
      2. The Linux camp in the OS Wars wants to count as many conscientious objectors as they can
      3. He's probably one of those people who views "has to use Windows for work-related purposes" as some sort of Geneva Convention violation

    20. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      > the owner of the business choose voluntarily the tools to use.

      I recently purchased a business laptop, and even though I would have preferred Windows 7 or 8......... I had no choice. Windows X was the only option.

      Pretty much true. Even though we have an Enterprise license and can install Windows 7, no newer hardware though our supplier has drivers to support Windows 7. It's either buy a 2+ year old computer (which we sometimes do) or use Win10.

    21. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Mr_Silver · · Score: 0

      I would except that my iPhone is incredibly good about not installing an update when I say "don't install this update".

      You're kidding right?

      You're given only two options - "install now" or "later", there is no "do not ask me again" (screen).

      When you select "later", you get hit with a dark pattern that encourages you to enter your passcode to update in the early hours of the morning with a small text option "Remind me later" at the very bottom (screen). Since there is no "do not ask me again" option, this gives iOS licence to nag you a day or two later.

      In addition, iOS will "helpfully" download the update to your phone even though you've constantly deferred the updates - meaning that you've lost a chunk of storage space without realizing it.

      The rate at which their users install updates is certainly impressive - but it is more than helped by the way that Apple tends to ram it down your throat.

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    22. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that doesn't happen in Linux.

      Sorry, the urge to shitpost is just impossible to suppress in discussions like these.

      Just understand that you made your bed and now you're getting fucked in it. Don't blame Microsoft, you chose to run their software.

    23. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      But are they tools for the users, or are they tools for Microsoft? I say they DGAF about the users so long as they're making money off them, and that's wrong.

    24. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      You're very good at hiding your hatred for MS. Biased opinion anyone?

      This bullshit press release, they are hurting, we know it, they know it and so the bullshit. Fuck you recalcitrant users you will be forced to use windows ten as commanded by M$ and here's proof numbers, we are dominating you and we will continue to dominate you, so fucking American.

      You don't need to trust their press release, you can go look at it for yourself. Data collected from browsers alone point to their number being correct. Fact is, they do dominate the desktop OS world according to those numbers. If it's a workstation it has a 85% chance of being Windows and 42% chance of being Windows 10.

      Nobody is forcing anybody to use anything. Instead, the current technology landscape makes it that for many types of businesses, Windows is the logical choice. The appearance of Android mitigates this issue but doesn't wash it away.

      From a user's perspective, an OS is like a car. If it has a steering wheel, four wheels and brings you where you need to be then mission accomplished.

      If you are a decision maker in the tech industry and you do not understand Microsoft's place in the industry then you have either been blinded by hatred or aren't as informed as you think you are.

    25. Re:How many were truly voluntary, though? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      You can stop the Windows Update service and set it to 'Disabled', and that will prevent updates from happening whenever it feels like it, but you'll have to re-enable it to get updates, and you won't have a choice in what updates you get.

    26. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      No thank you sexy coca cola girl. I'm an adult. I don't need your free drink. I threw it on the ground. I'm not a part of your system.

    27. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      Go Google this as MS released a tool to show EXACTLY what is collected. Just telemetry with unique IDs with nothing idnetifiable. Windows Store and Cortana of course keep track as how else would MS know which apps are in your library?

      No keystroke loggers, snooping your document contents or other non sense that is spewed here

    28. Re: How many were truly voluntary, though? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      People do care about keeping 7.

      No they don't.They just don't care about upgrading. You can verify this yourself Windows adoption figures perfectly trend the sale rate of PCs with one notable exception: Windows 10 adoption was higher than all previous versions initially thanks to the MS forced tactics.

      The downward trend in Windows 10 adoption compared to Windows 7 is perfectly inline with the downward trend in PC sales on the whole.

      Windows 10 while technically supperior, has major breakage issues upon frequent updates

      Yes I agree. It also is a technical detail that is completely irrelevant as everyone who isn't a techhead doesn't know or doesn't care.

  7. Linux has the most devices globally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    According to wikipedia, Linux kernel systems are 40.41%, windows 36.84% and Apple 18.46%.

    1. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep grasping at straws. Linux on the desktop Will. Never. Happen.

    2. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't need to control your desktop when I control the servers that decide what your desktop gets to see.

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    3. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You control nothing, shit-boy. Not even your wiener.

    4. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      You have that much control over other people's devices? Sounds like Linux is a bad idea for the server!

    5. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Who cares that you have the trigger, when I'm the one controlling the rockets?

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    6. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      WOOSH
      Exactly! You shouldn't have control over the rockets, ergo, Linux is bad for the server

    7. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux doesn't need to control your desktop when it underlies most of the phones y'all use.

    8. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Whether it's a good idea or not depends mostly on whether you're the server...

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    9. Re: Linux has the most devices globally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      orly because i'm posting from a linux desktop right now

      you can go vanish in a puff of logic now

  8. Looking forward to PC being Managed by them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These guys are now going to 'manage' your PC and charge you a fee. They will also remove and suggest what software you need.

    What could possible go wrong.

  9. Is it like post capitalism except not saying it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cause communism is saying it.

    It seems like well, Windows is really shit in regards to an AVR (you could fuck up in a game or something else), so basically when there is real business to be done... who would use it?

    I just cannot understand why to put the game at the lowest level to the hardware.

    Basically, if you are going to send updates for no reason other than being bothersome what exactly is your purpose. It could only be that you are targetting an individual in which case re-instating Rome and their structure of leadership.

    All in all it is a crazy idea or progression, where as the original Windows was "let people understand" visual objects being recognized as components in computers. That is basically the same thing as letters, but with the amount of data the abstraction was needed. The trouble is, that now they aren't working on and explaining a new abstraction, instead they are modifying known abstractions.

    It is incredibly strange, because you are basically trying to change english to chinese without creating the new "letters".

    I truly think they are both ignorant, viewing without reference, and terribly bad.

    Basically you build structures, then you "sell" or "describe" those structures so people "know" what to expect.

    You assholes at Microsoft are trying to not build structures, but change the old ones. Why?

    If you are trying to get beyond something, you have to actually have something new. What you (windows) is doing, is just trying to confuse people. The thing is that if you point at a window and call it something else, people are not going to go with you so how are you expecting to go past that?

  10. 700 Million Devices by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    So, like, a fraction of Android/Linux devices?

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    1. Re:700 Million Devices by williamyf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, 700 Million devices, a good % of those devices are capable of Content CREATION/PRODUCTION, unlike most of those Android/Linux devices which are only capable of Content COMSUMPTION.

      Having said that, I use a Mac on my desktop, and an Android on my pocket. And I advocated Linux in the telco datacenter A LOT (in late 90's early 00's time frame, when it was quite harder to argue the case against the Likes of Solaris, HP-UX and AIX)...

      But yes, to each his own, this milestone is a good one for Win10.

      OSs are like tools. Each has its streghts, weaknesess, and purpose, so should be used acordingly. Instead of treating OSs as religions, or sports teams...

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    2. Re:700 Million Devices by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Yes, 700 Million devices, a good % of those devices are capable of Content CREATION/PRODUCTION,

      Interesting point. What fraction of those do you think are actually being used for content creation/production? I think, very small. But looking at it the other way - of all content production, how much is done on Windows machines? I think, a high percentage, so granted. But don't forget that Hollywood is basically standardized on Linux workstations now, that has a really outsized contribution to content creation. And there is a rapidly expanding content creation scene based on tools like Blender and Krita, where the upstream development is done on Linux machines, even though most of the users are on Windows. Interested in your comments.

      BTW, there are several great video editing tools available and principally developed on Linux now. There is basically no reason not to switch content creation to Linux, and big reasons for doing it... you save a bunch of money (or avoid criminalizing yourself by stealing stuff) and get your edits done a lot faster, without random reboots, upgrade nags and risk of virus infection.

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    3. Re: 700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No percentage is too small to justify MS shitting all over the wishes of their software purchasers/legal licensees.

    4. Re: 700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't most real time audio mixing and editing done on linux/bsd nowadays because of its lower latency. I don't mean post processing but actual real time like during a concert.

    5. Re: 700 Million Devices by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know about "most", but JACK audio is, in a word, awesome. Far in advance of anything available on Windows or Macos. For glitch-free real time audio processing, Linux is without a doubt the best choice for professionals. I expect that many professionals have noticed that.

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    6. Re:700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Define content.
      For old school form content, I totally agree.
      However, these days most content is social in nature. FB, instagram, livestreams tweets etc. Created and consumed on phones.

      I mean it is sad, but true.
      I don’t see how people gobble down that garbage like hogs in slop.
      I’m kind of glad I was born when I was, got to experience all the exciting bits of the computer revolution, now it’s all about being outraged by clickbait headlines and throwing social hissyfits, crying, blaming others and shitting in your own pool. Oh and being as shallow as humanly possible sesperate for others to digitally affirm you with the like.

      Living in my grandfathers generation would be cool too. He got to see from when cars were an exciting sight all the way to the internet. That’s not bad at all.

    7. Re:700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But looking at it the other way - of all content production, how much is done on Windows machines? I think, a high percentage, so granted. But don't forget that Hollywood is basically standardized on Linux workstations now, that has a really outsized contribution to content creation.

      No not really. Hollywood is a long way from "standardized" on Linux. The reality is nobody gives a shit about Linux (or Windows for that matter), what they care about is Maya, Cinema4D, After Effects, Blender, etc ...

      That's not limited to Hollywood either, it's all major industries. The IT geeks and the outsider nerds may come up with some metric as to why under some contrived circumstance a particular application performs some operation on some OS with a particular hardware and driver setup better than some other setup but it's irrelevant.

      Nobody using the application actually gives a shit about the operating system, just like nobody driving a car gives a shit about whether the bumper was designed in Solidworks on an Intel system with an AMD GPU running Windows 7.

    8. Re:700 Million Devices by williamyf · · Score: 1

      When I set on my Mac and Fire up Powerpoint to make a presentation on how to install fusionsphere/Openstack on Huawei servers all while reading the manuals in fucking Hedex (windows only), while preparing hadout notes in word..., or when I sit in my mac and again fire up Powerpoint to preprare a rpesentation about how to instal, configure and administer the Hadoop backend for Nokia's CEMoD 16 while reading the manuals in AdobePDF (thank god), and write handouts in word, I am creating content too.

      I guess the cute girl in Admin creates content when she fills up an excel sheet with my perdiem, flight tickets and hotel reservation to send to logistics to arrange everything....

      Not only hollywood creates content, and not all content is ausio/visual.

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    9. Re:700 Million Devices by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      Hollywood is a long way from "standardized" on Linux. The reality is nobody gives a shit about Linux

      Ahem.

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    10. Re:700 Million Devices by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, 700 Million devices, a good % of those devices are capable of Content CREATION/PRODUCTION.

      The hardware. Yes. But with that OS?

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    11. Re:700 Million Devices by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So, like, a fraction of Android/Linux devices?

      The most important fraction. Google makes a tiny fraction of profit from Android/Linux when compared to Enterprise agreements from Microsoft.

      When keeping the shareholders happy no one gives a crap about Android, especially since Google's monetisation attempt may see them lose 4% of their revenue soon.

    12. Re: 700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about "most", but JACK audio is, in a word, awesome. Far in advance of anything available on Windows or Macos. For glitch-free real time audio processing, Linux is without a doubt the best choice for professionals. I expect that many professionals have noticed that.

      Uh, professionals would have noticed versions for OS X and Windows on Jack's download page. So it's at best "far in advance of anything else on Windows of Macos.

    13. Re: 700 Million Devices by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So Windows and MacOS are downstream for JACK. Interesting.

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    14. Re:700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What have the Romans ever done for us?!"

      You're grasping for straws, and as time goes on they will only get fewer.

    15. Re:700 Million Devices by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, 700 Million devices, a good % of those devices are capable of Content CREATION/PRODUCTION, unlike most of those Android/Linux devices which are only capable of Content COMSUMPTION.

      Wrong, and also wrong. You can create content on a smartphone. People do it every day. Videos, photos including retouching, 3d models using free tools from autodesk, poems, slashdot posts...

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    16. Re: 700 Million Devices by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      JACK may be awesome, but I don't think Avid and their competitors are quaking in their boots just yet.

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    17. Re:700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollywood is a long way from "standardized" on Linux. The reality is nobody gives a shit about Linux

      Ahem.

      You mean a one-line post from one person asking that question completely unsubstantiated by anything at all is enough to convince you that Hollywood has standardized on Linux despite the fact that a huge amount of the software packages used in films don't even run on Linux?

    18. Re:700 Million Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, 700 Million devices, a good % of those devices are capable of Content CREATION/PRODUCTION.

      The hardware. Yes. But with that OS?

      Yes because that OS runs their applications on their hardware.

  11. Congratulations Microsoft by kaoshin · · Score: 1

    As the saying goes, quantity is job number one.

    1. Re:Congratulations Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the saying goes, quantity is job number one.

      Thanks, now I've got cola fizzing out my nose and a mess on my desk.

    2. Re:Congratulations Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then quality must be job number google, because the quality of Microsoft software is so bad. :-)

    3. Re:Congratulations Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The number is googel, not google.

  12. Mod parent up by williamyf · · Score: 1

    Well played Kaoshin, well played

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  13. They will be pleased by Trogre · · Score: 1

    That's a whole lot of eyes and ears for Microsoft now.

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    1. Re:They will be pleased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a whole lot of eyes and ears for Microsoft now.

      There is a Dr McNinja sequence about just that kind of botnet.

  14. Wow that's almost as many as Windows 95! by aybiss · · Score: 1

    Wow that's almost as many as Windows 95!

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  15. devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So let me guess, it means they are counting Windows 10 phones in the landfill, they are counting MS Surface tablets including those they paid companies to use, it includes virtual machines running Windows 10 and the pre-loaded computers sitting on store shelves.

    But who the heck cares? Then again, doesn't this sound like the same old Microsoft? Even when they keep trying to tell us they are not the same old Microsoft.

  16. "has been installed" by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I think the correct time would have been "had been". How many of those came preinstalled and the first thing anyone did to them was to wipe the system?

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    1. Re:"has been installed" by bazorg · · Score: 1

      Nobody knows and that's a knowledge gap that has certainly been reduced by telemetry.
      Back in the day, people could read about number of units shipped, about licenses sold and come up with some sort of estimate. Today, if Microsoft really wanted to disclose the number of active devices, they probably could.

    2. Re:"has been installed" by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And that they don't though they can tells you anything you need to know.

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  17. What a botnet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You didn't imagine you were in control of your computer, did you? Have you read the EULA?

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  19. Same old song. by westlake · · Score: 1

    How many do you subtract that were forced on unsuspecting users, users who didn't know any better, and users who weren't otherwise given a choice? Can we also subtract out businesses, who either didn't have a choice, either, and their employees, who weren't given a choice by their employers?

    The geek has been posting variations of this rant since the launch of Slashdot. Windows took possession of the desktop along about Win 95 and never looked back. The fundamental reason is that the Windows PC is a mass market product easily customized for home and office use. You want 1500 thin clients for corporate use? No problem. Shopping Amazon.com for the high-end water cooled gaming machine? Also no problem.