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Trump Administration Prepares a Major Weakening of Mercury Emissions Rules (nytimes.com)

The Trump administration has completed a detailed legal proposal to dramatically weaken a major environmental regulation covering mercury, a toxic chemical emitted from coal-burning power plants, The New York Times reports, citing a person familiar with the matter. From the report: The proposal would not eliminate the mercury regulation entirely, but it is designed to put in place the legal justification for the Trump administration to weaken it and several other pollution rules, while setting the stage for a possible full repeal of the rule. Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist who is now the acting administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, is expected in the coming days to send the proposal to the White House for approval. The move is the latest, and one of the most significant, in the Trump administration's steady march of rollbacks of Obama-era health and environmental regulations on polluting industries, particularly coal. The weakening of the mercury rule -- which the E.P.A. considers the most expensive clean air regulation ever put forth in terms of annual cost to industry -- would represent a major victory for the coal industry. Mercury is known to damage the nervous systems of children and fetuses.

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  1. do I just hang out on lefty sites by queBurro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or is this man truly evil?

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    1. Re:do I just hang out on lefty sites by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist who is now the acting administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency...

      "What further need have we of witnesses?"

    2. Re:do I just hang out on lefty sites by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A real estate mogul who defrauded people with his "deals" and "university". Then hired guys to run his campaign who stole money. And now he wants to give people nerve damage.

      You live in a sick world where you think poisoning people with mercury is a good thingl.

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    3. Re:do I just hang out on lefty sites by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I do believe that many did not so much voted for Trump, but against established politicians.
      The problem is that you have a two party system, so that was their only option. I live in Belgium and have a multi-party system.
      First this means more choise for the people and more negotiations for the politicians. That excludes extreme measurements.

      Once in a while, politicians are politicians and then some protest party will rise and get enough votes to get elected. They will be a minority, but still a very strong signal to all political parties that they are doing something wrong. They will adapt and most of the time those parties will devolve into nothingness.
      They are often parties with a limited interest in things and might say upfront they will not vote on certain subjects. e.g. only voting on environment, but not on defense issues. Or privacy (thing The Pirate Party)

      They are a sort of political valve. Sometimes these parties grow and stay (e.g. the green parties)

      These type of voters have no where to go in the USofA.

      Now for the bad news. They still have nowhere to go. As long as you have the two-party system where winner takes all, do not expect it to improve. The US is going to a Feudal system where the CEOs are the new Kings who divide the plebs among themselves.

      When you look at history, the fact that people had anything to say at all is an anomaly.

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  2. MAMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Make America Mad Again

    Mad like a hatter

  3. *COUGH* by waspleg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From Wikipedia:

    Arendt's subtitle famously introduced the phrase "the banality of evil," which also serves as the final words of the book. In part, at least, the phrase refers to Eichmann's deportment at the trial as the man displayed neither guilt for his actions nor hatred for those trying him, claiming he bore no responsibility because he was simply "doing his job" ("He did his duty...; he not only obeyed orders, he also obeyed the law." p. 135).

  4. Re:He's not evil, he just doesn't give a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I strongly suspect that he won't be a footnote.

    Trump's presidency represents a turning point for western democracy. Do we reject amoral crony capitalism and move back towards the social compact that first brought us to prosperity, or do we embrace the post-truth, post-compassion world and descend into a new age of feudalism?

  5. I am not defending him but ... by jgfenix · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Past a certain level if you want to reduce some contaminants the increase in cost can be exponential. So before having an opinion I would like to know is:

    What is the current limit? Is it reasonable? What is the cost? What is the new limit, it's cost, it's impact?

    Discussing this without knowing the specifics is an empty talk about how evil they are. We could have much more environmental friendly products if you are willing to pay 5000 for what now you pay 100 so it's important to establish a reasonable limit.

    1. Re:I am not defending him but ... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you wanted specifics, you'd have read the article rather than posting questions that imply that this could be the right thing to do. A new limit isn't what's being proposed.

      This legislation forces any cost/benefit analysis to be done using only the benefit of the reduction in mercury output without considering the additional benefits from the reduction in soot and nitrogen oxide that the emission controls produce.

      Any analysis done would also have to ignore the cost of emission controls that would have to be put in place to keep soot and nitrogen oxide levels under legal limits, forcing any study to justify the cost of the emission controls based on the benefits of reducing mercury emissions alone.

      The point of all this is to make it much harder to justify the cost of lower emission level limits by limiting health benefits that you can consider. That will make it easier to overturn the previous rules in court, which will let the Trump administration to allow corporations to harm even more people in the name of higher profits.

  6. It's not just you by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or is this man truly evil?

    Trump is easily the worst person (competence, morals, decency, empathy, etc - pick your measure) to get to the office of president in my lifetime and I'm old enough to have lived during Nixon's administration. He surrounds himself with people who are somehow if anything worse in a lot of ways. There are prominent republicans who I respect and think could be good presidents even if I don't necessarily agree with their policy positions on a given topic. Trump is not even close to among them. I thought Bush Jr was a terrible president but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Trump. Reagan or Bush Sr would be a huge upgrade. Heck I'd happily take McCain (even with Palin) or Romney who I think were both competent and fundamentally decent people. No I'm not arguing the Democrats were notably better (they weren't) but literally every other president or candidate for either party in the last half centry would be an improvement over Trump.

    1. Re:It's not just you by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      or is this man truly evil?

      Trump is easily the worst person (competence, morals, decency, empathy, etc - pick your measure) to get to the office of president in my lifetime and I'm old enough to have lived during Nixon's administration. He surrounds himself with people who are somehow if anything worse in a lot of ways. There are prominent republicans who I respect and think could be good presidents even if I don't necessarily agree with their policy positions on a given topic. Trump is not even close to among them. I thought Bush Jr was a terrible president but I'd take him in a heartbeat over Trump. Reagan or Bush Sr would be a huge upgrade. Heck I'd happily take McCain (even with Palin) or Romney who I think were both competent and fundamentally decent people. No I'm not arguing the Democrats were notably better (they weren't) but literally every other president or candidate for either party in the last half centry would be an improvement over Trump.

      Trump is honestly the first President in my lifetime who I do not think is actually doing what they think is best for the country. The Bushes, Clinton, Obama, hell even the losing candidates like McCain, Gore, Kerry, Bill's scarier half, while I didn't agree with all of their policies, I did believe that for the most part they were doing what they thought was good for the country. That's really about all you can ask of a leader. Trump on the other hand, only cares about what's good for Trump, anyone named Trump, and anyone who supports him so long as they continue to support him and their support benefits Trump. It's "Trump, the whole Trump, and nothing but the Trump, so help you Trump."

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  7. Profit motives are dangerous by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work in IT for one of the most heavily over-regulated industries in this country, the medical laboratory.

    I've worked in labs in years past and my wife is a laboratory director of a pathology lab. I disagree that medical labs are "heavily over regulated". Labs are regulated to the degree they are for VERY good reasons and we've seen what happens when they aren't. The data they produce and the means they use to produce it has to be as reliable as we can make and market pressures are demonstrably inadequate to make that happen. The regulations that are in place ensure corners are not cut that should not be cut. That's not an argument that every regulation is a good one but just an observation that labs that are well run mostly are already doing the things that the regulations require anyway aside from a bit of extra documentation to prove it. But without this requirement the temptation of profit motives would rapidly overwhelm some people and we would all suffer in the long run as a result.

    We see our regulation as a challenge, not a burden. Why can't the coal industry?

    Because they have made a crap ton of money being comparatively unregulated and would like to continue to make more and there is no mechanism for accountability. In a medical lab if you screw up a specimen, that error is generally immediately traceable back to the lab and liability follows. But without regulation the volume of corner cutting would rapidly overwhelm the ability of the legal system to deal with the problem. Not to mention that liability is a post-hoc solution which doesn't help people already injured. There is no such feedback mechanism in place for the coal industry generally speaking and putting them in place makes them FAR less financially competitive than they are now. (that's probably a good thing but they obviously don't see it that way) They've gotten a free ride for years not having to pay for the full cost of the pollution they generate so it's hardly shocking that it's a real life tragedy of the commons.