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Netflix is Developing a Slate of Specials That Will Let Viewers Choose the Next Storyline in a TV Episode or Movie, Report Says (bloomberg.com)

Netflix is about to let you decide how your favorite show will end, Bloomberg reported Monday. From the report: The streaming service is developing a slate of specials that will let viewers choose the next storyline in a TV episode or movie, according to people familiar with the matter. The company expects to release the first of these projects before the end of this year, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the plans are still private.

Viewers will get to choose their own storylines in one episode of the upcoming season of "Black Mirror," the Emmy-winning science-fiction anthology series. The show is famous for exploring the social implications of technology, including an episode where humans jockey to receive higher ratings from their peers. The fifth season of the show is expected to be released in December.

The foray into choose-your-own-adventure programming represents a big bet on a nascent form of entertainment known as interactive TV. As Netflix expands around the world, it's looking for new ways to lure customers. By blending elements of video games with traditional television, the company could create a formula that can be applied to any number of series.

125 comments

  1. All I can say is by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    "Twitch plays Pokemon" comes to TV.

    1. Re: All I can say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is there a skip to series finale button?

    2. Re:All I can say is by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This will be more "we filmed 3 endings", I expect. People's narrative choices tend to follow the 80/20 rule, so 3 endings will get you 99% of the audience. The exception to that is love triagles (or love dodecahedrons) where you can get a more even spread. I suspect romances will be the focus if this takes off, not "choose your own adventure".

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    3. Re:All I can say is by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm reminded of the 1961 film "Mr. Sardonicus", where the producer William Castle promised two endings. Supposedly, the audience could vote to punish the villain at the end or spare him. Of course, the audience always voted to punish him. Good thing too, because Mr. Castle, being an astute observer of human nature, only actually made the "punish the villain" ending.

    4. Re: All I can say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should try to fuck irl instead of watching youporn in your mom's basement.
      Or kill yourself.

    5. Re: All I can say is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or what I like to call a good Saturday night.

    6. Re:All I can say is by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Most of the Black Mirror episodes haven't really been about romance. These are much more of a Twilight Zone feel with a technology or social media angle.

  2. Reading adventure... by sarren1901 · · Score: 2

    Turn to page 12. Turn to page 49. Turn to page 26. Turn to page 71. You are slayed by...

    1. Re:Reading adventure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn to page 12. Turn to page 49. Turn to page 26. Turn to page 71. You are slayed by...

      I must admit, many of the "premature ends" you could meet in the old Fighting Fantasy books and others.. were.. at best.. unfair...

      It would be much better if books like that, were to favor smart choices, so that using your brain would allow you to complete the adventure without a "premature end"

    2. Re:Reading adventure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      complete the adventure without a "premature end"

      Giggidy.

    3. Re:Reading adventure... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      How do I get to the ending where the actors from Stranger Things are freed from their stage parents and get to live normal lives?

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  3. Haven't they learned anything? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Haven't they learned anything from cases such as Boaty-McBoatface, Taylor Swifts Biggest Fan,or sending her to a school for the deaf, or sending Pitbull to Alaska

    Leaving the choice up to the Internet, or even just Netflix subscribers isn't going to result in the best storylines, or even the storylines that necessarily reflect what actual people want to see.

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    1. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      My favorite was the new Mountain Dew flavor called Hitler Did Nothing Wrong.

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    2. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, and it takes away some element of surprise if you already know what story line won the voting process.

      Personally, I'd rather see a "kill a character" vote so you can get rid of one or more characters who aren't interesting to the story. But again, the Internet will abuse it and vote to kill the hero or something.

    3. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Haven't they learned anything from cases such as Boaty-McBoatface, Taylor Swifts Biggest Fan,or sending her to a school for the deaf, or sending Pitbull to Alaska

      Leaving the choice up to the Internet, or even just Netflix subscribers isn't going to result in the best storylines, or even the storylines that necessarily reflect what actual people want to see.

      Sounds like it's Choose Your Own Adventure style ... the storylines and branches should already be created by the writers?

    4. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by fazig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The essential problem with Boaty-McBoatface wasn't that they put it up for a vote on the internet, it was that they allowed user entries.
      Give people a pre defined list of options and let them choose from. Have contingency plans for every option they can choose.
      This principle has been working for Choose Your Own Adventure books and video games since the 80's.

    5. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe this is quite relevant as well.

    6. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This could actually lead to better writing, if the show writers had any capability of following logic cues. Unfortunately, at this point, most TV writers can't even follow their own plots. We really don't need to be handing them something as complicated as "viewer choice" to try and plot off of.

    7. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather see a "kill a character" vote so you can get rid of one or more characters who aren't interesting to the story. But again, the Internet will abuse it and vote to kill the hero or something.

      Good. I'm sick of these shows where you know that certain characters are never going to die, no matter what happens.

      Overall, however, letting the general public decide anything is usually a bad idea because people are stupid.

    8. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by radja · · Score: 2

      Worked fine for Sharknado (a series of movies that could be called stupid... then again... I like stupid B-movies)

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    9. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because giving the general public a limited set of options to choose from always works out so well...

    10. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

      Leaving the choice up to the Internet, or even just Netflix subscribers isn't going to result in the best storylines, or even the storylines that necessarily reflect what actual people want to see.

      My favorite example of this is Imgur Let's play: Top comment decides what action Luke does next

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    11. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a “choose your own adventure” plot selection, akin to what was done with Mosaic, rather than the “viewer’s choice” style plot selection you seem to be thinking of. As such, your concern is rather moot, since it’s each person making a personal choice about how to view the story.

      Netflix is realizing that as a company that owns its own content delivery clients, they’re in an ideal position to try to leverage this sort of content. In contrast, HBO had to convince people to download a separate app for Mosaic, which likely only saw as much success as it did because they literally gave it away for free. Had it been limited to HBO’s current subscribers, they would have effectively limiting it to just those subscribers who are using or willing to use an app (i.e. a subset of their subscribers, since most watch exclusively via a cable package), whereas with Netflix, that’s their entire customer base.

    12. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite was the new Mountain Dew flavor called Hitler Did Nothing Wrong.

      Also known as Mountain Jewishconspiracy

    13. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because murder and war about differences in opinion over entertainment media have been such huge historical issues in the past...

    14. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the old FMV "games" that were popular back when digital video first became really feasible with CD-based consoles?

      That's all this is. A clip plays, then you can pick a choice, and then the next clip plays. That's it.

      The only thing new here is that it's being built into a streaming platform. And even that's not really new because people have done the same thing before using YouTube annotations.

    15. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The democratic system doesn't work when there is an excess of idiots...

      Sadly at present we have a huge over supply of idiots.

       

    16. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Give people a pre defined list of options and let them choose from. Have contingency plans for every option they can choose.

      Can we have at least ONE /. story that doesn't descend into politics?

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    17. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can we have at least ONE /. story that doesn't descend into politics?

      No. VI forever!

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    18. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Haven't they learned anything from cases such as Boaty-McBoatface, Taylor Swifts Biggest Fan,or sending her to a school for the deaf, or sending Pitbull to Alaska

      Leaving the choice up to the Internet, or even just Netflix subscribers isn't going to result in the best storylines, or even the storylines that necessarily reflect what actual people want to see.

      I agree, they will present a limited number of choices scripted in advance, with viewers voting on which one to follow. It is intended to be a hook to draw viewers in, although the losing voters may lose interest as well. Personally, I refer a story to be well written and engaging, and not merely another version of Colossal Cave.

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    19. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by fazig · · Score: 2

      Ask the people who turn it into politics.

      After all the principle of letting people choose from limited options isn't inherently tied to politics and can be found in many technical fields as well.
      I immediately thought of video games as a practical application of these principles. A form of media which is based upon the premise that players have a set of pre-defined choices. Some games give more choices and others. Some games feature simulations that allow players to do a lot of things, that can also have game breaking outcomes.
      But judging from the most financially successful games, something that may interest a profit oriented organizations like Netflix, there seems to be little correlation between the number of choices and or possible outcomes of those choices and the success of the product. Story based games that play like interactive movies seem to be where a lot of money is buried in these times. And those games have rather limited choices that a player can make.
      I could also think of automatons that perform a range of functions, depending on pre-defined instructions. Think of a human interface that allows an operator to choose some of the functions. If you were to design such an automaton, you have to think about these issues beforehand. You don't always give the users free reign. Of course unless perhaps they do it on their own, for themselves, and without you having any liability over the damages they can cause with it.

    20. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      I never understood why people would want to use a text editor called "six".

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    21. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by lgw · · Score: 2

      Personally, I'd rather see a "kill a character" vote

      Worked for removing the Jason Todd Robin from the Batman comics. DC offered a poll (with a 1-900 number) in 1988 to see if that particular robin should be killed, and the result was overwhelmingly for death. He stayed dead for quite a long time, too (forever, by comic book standards, it used to be said he was one of two characters who would actually stay dead, but they eventually brought him back).

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    22. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Givee people a pre defined list of options and let them choose from. Have contingency plans for every option they can choose.

      Optimistically, there would be a few filmed endings, and you could watch whichever took your fancy. Cynically, this is the new reality TV, and there won't even be writers.

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    23. Re: Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three, with Bucky and Uncle Ben.

      Uncle Ben having since been revealed to have faked his death, in 2015's limited series, the Life and Times of J.Jonah Jameson.

    24. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Leaving the choice up to the Internet, or even just Netflix subscribers isn't going to result in the best storylines, or even the storylines that necessarily reflect what actual people want to see.

      Yes, but it could still be incredibly entertaining.

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    25. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by lgw · · Score: 1

      ecause murder and war about differences in opinion over entertainment media have been such huge historical issues in the past...

      Depends on how one looks at religion.

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    26. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chair: Press 1 to see Calculon race to to the scene in his hover-Ferrari

      Chair: Press 2 to see Calculon complete his tedious tax returns.

      Fry: (1)

      Chair: You Pressed Two!

      Fry: No I didn't!

      Chair: I'm pretty sure you did!

      ***

      Netflix: Press 1 to see Dagmar nude.

      Netflix: Press 2 to see Luci put his arms down from different angles. ...

    27. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Of course, the "choose your route" method can flub even in videogames. Mass Effect 3 was an instructive example of how the illusion of choice in videogames collided head-on with reality, not to mention a few bad design & storytelling decisions. The entirety of all the difficult choices and decisions made along the way in three games ended up as a rather anemic A/B/C choice.

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    28. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      Every community-contribution story I have ever participated in has devolved into one person getting butthurt, with the concurrent appearance of Godzilla* who destroys everyone and everything.


      * or equivalent

    29. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by fazig · · Score: 1

      Things can certainly go wrong if you do a bad job.
      From a story telling perspective Mass Effect 3 made a faux pas by basically disconnecting the ending from all the plot that was going on before. I mean even if you want a twist ending, that surprises everyone, you have to craft it in a way that makes it arise logically from everything that happened before that, even though they may not have paid attention to all the little breadcrumbs that you left for them while you were going. If your ending doesn't follow logically you risk alienating consumers by making them feel cheated, insulting their intelligence and so forth. Reasons why it is usually also a bad idea to have dramatic things happen in dreams or simulations (unless you find some kind of plot device to make them matter in your fictional 'real world').
      The developers of Mass Effect 3 also took a lot of flak for what they did with the ending, if I remember correctly.

      I can understand that they had a very difficult job to do here, given that there were 3 games in their series that allowed a huge number of choices. Ideally they had to work out endings that would satisfy every single choice that had been made by the player before. And apparently they didn't want to do it in a fashion that was used in some of their previous games like Baldur's Gate or other RPG series like Fallout, where you get a mostly text based wrap up based on your choices. But no such a cheap text based ending apparently wasn't going to fly for Electronic Arts. They wanted to make something that also appealed to the visual and auditory senses. Unfortunately for them, Bioware apparently put so little effort into the attempt that having no ending at all for their game would probably have been better.

    30. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't they learned anything from cases such as Boaty-McBoatface, Taylor Swifts Biggest Fan,or sending her to a school for the deaf, or sending Pitbull to Alaska

      The problem with the last one was nobody got to vote on whether he stayed there.

    31. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically Hitler didn't do anything wrong. It's not his fault other people listened to him and killed people.

    32. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by rundgong · · Score: 1

      While I do see your point in what the "hive mind" tried to do there, it actually turned into something hilarious. It is so retarded and funny at the same time because the writer salvaged what they tried to destroy.

      Obviously this would never work on a large scale, with commercial interests calling the shots, but still...

    33. Re: Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was this guy named Malcom 10.

    34. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1
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    35. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd rather see a "kill a character" vote

      Worked for removing the Jason Todd Robin from the Batman comics. DC offered a poll (with a 1-900 number) in 1988 to see if that particular robin should be killed, and the result was overwhelmingly for death. He stayed dead for quite a long time, too (forever, by comic book standards, it used to be said he was one of two characters who would actually stay dead, but they eventually brought him back).

      Didn't they bring back the other one too?

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    36. Re: Haven't they learned anything? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Malcom Two? What a ridiculous name.

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    37. Re: Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3rd time you posted that meme. It's stale.

      Your the same person to codemn a man based off headlines. You will be seeing a lot of more of me on threads you post to.

    38. Re: Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So exactly like super seducer 1 and 2.

    39. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Leaving the choice up to the Internet, or even just Netflix subscribers isn't going to result in the best storylines, or even the storylines that necessarily reflect what actual people want to see.

      No, it will result in storylines Netflix subscribers want to see.

      This is an important point - Netflix is not creating content randomly - they are creating content that appeals to their subscribers. Doing this they hope to retain subscribers to their service, like other subscription TV channels like HBO do.

      This it is vitally important for Netflix to ensure the programming reflects what their subscribers want, and having them vote seems like an ideal way to do it. The alternative is they use a marketing department to figure out what the demographic of Netflix subscribers likes so they can concentrate on creating content towards them.

    40. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by imidan · · Score: 1

      Have contingency plans for every option they can choose... This principle has been working for Choose Your Own Adventure books

      In my experience with Choose Your Own Adventure books, the contingency for every option I chose was a gruesome death. So, following that model, they could prepare for many contingencies with just one plan!

    41. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Just like voting.

      Hilarious!

    42. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there's some key differences there.

      Entertainment media usually does not claim to be the only truth and have answers for anything. In fact a good portion of entertainment media is explicitly telling you whether it's fiction or non fiction (maybe for legal reasons).
      Of course that doesn't stop dumb people from treating it much like a religion, but this is something you have to blame stupid people who do it for.
      Look, here I'm even throwing people who think it's the fault of media a bone. There are examples of murders that coincide with the use of certain entertainment media. J. D. Salinger's novel - Catcher In The Rye - would be the textbook example here. But would you blame him or his novel for the murder of John Lennon or the attempted murder of Ronald Reagan? Or if you don't like the label 'blame', would you argue that he bears responsibility for these acts? Most people who read the book did not come to the conclusion that they must kill someone. So it's more likely the fault/responsibility of those individuals who interpreted the book in their particular way.

      Entertainment media usually does not claim that divine punishment awaits those who don't follow it or that people who don't follow it must either be converted or killed or stuff like that.

    43. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      Oh my, this is fun. Thanks for sharing!

    44. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Lots of people claim "Jedi" as their religion. I know people who follow the sorta-religion started by Stranger in a Strange Land (much to Heinlein's horror). The Mormons' holy book pretty much admits Joseph Smith was just making stuff up (not that it calls attention to it).

      People are just looking for a value structure that seems to work for them. Doesn't matter at first whether it claims to be the One True Faith. Organizations tend to go bad over time though.

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    45. Re:Haven't they learned anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people have self identifying Jedi killed or even harmed in a meaningful way in the name of Jediism?
      I'd argue that most self identifying Jedi do it by being well aware that they do it just for shits and giggles, because they can, not because they really believe in the the force. Maybe some people would like to strangle Lucas with their bare hands for what he did with the prequels and or see Disney burn for what they did with the sequels. But would they do that in the name of the Force or something like that? In the end it's still just a couple of movies, which are designated works of fiction.
      Of course plenty of crazy people exist on this planet. Which is why it is important to examine the chain of causality here. Is it those particular works of fiction that made the people crazy and possibly commit heinous acts? I think it's plausible that they inspired them in some ways, like Doom inspired the school shooters from Columbine, but it didn't make them do it. This is where actual religion is different. There you usually have your infallible holy texts, even if they're full of contradiction. Then you usually also have people that carry some kind of religious rank, who interpret those text for other people.
      If we take Islam as an example you have their scripture claims to be the word of God. It tells people that there's only one truth. And that truth is there for everyone to see, because God has given us all the evidence. So what if people disagree over the interpretation? There can only be one truth, because the infallible word of God says so. How can you determine who is right? Ask God? Trial by combat? Because God would be on the side of who's right? Kind of, I think, because it appears that it is usually the one with the bigger stick who manages to kill or beat everyone who disagrees with them into submission who get's to decide what that truth is.

      But back to the topic. Mormonism is a religious cult (from my perspective, like pretty much all religion) with the intention to control people. Joseph Smith most likely made up that stuff with that intention and it has been subsequently used with that intention.
      Now I'm not saying that other works can't possibly turn into this. It's possible that people who don't know any better are told that these are the truths of life. If you managed to isolate children and raise them on Star Wars, they may think it's all true and that there are evil Sith out there who want to rule them all. After all there's plenty of people who believe the stupidest shit.
      But since this would true for virtually everything it completely loses its meaning as an argument here. Every word that is written, even this conversation here, could be taken out of context and turned into a religion by someone. A religion that is used to justify things like genocide.
      So what? Should we stop producing works of fiction? Interactive games? Should we better shut up and abandon all communication?

  4. Everybody dies. by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

    It's been done before: Blake 7.

    Or how about a character break character while filming and accuse someone of doing something. (It's got to be a female though, since they don't lie.)

    And then we could follow the cast and crew spread to the winds while the accused producer loses everything and ends up on the street, disheveled and homeless.

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    1. Re:Everybody dies. by lgw · · Score: 1

      how about a character break character while filming and accuse someone of doing something. (It's got to be a female though, since they don't lie.)

      And then we could follow the cast and crew spread to the winds while the accused producer loses everything and ends up on the street, disheveled and homeless.

      Just so you know, there's an existing genre of "drama breaks out of character into conflict between actors, and we follow both sets of events". It's called "modern professional wrestling".

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  5. "Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    it's a bunch of films: the characters not surpasses "epiosodes"...

    1. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's an episodic TV series, Rear Admiral Aspergers.

    2. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by Desler · · Score: 1

      So by this weird logic "The Twilight Zone" wasn't a TV series?

    3. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      By that definition probably rather an "Anthology".

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    4. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by Desler · · Score: 1

      No, pretty much everyone just calls it a TV series.

    5. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      as pretty much everyone calls an accumulator a battery.

      I mean that's absolutely OK if you define a series as something that is on TV every week.

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    6. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by Desler · · Score: 1

      Sure, but being a TV series does not mean it has to be a serialized story. A TV series can also be episodic. This is not anything new or groundbreaking. Episodic TV series have been a thing for many decades.

    7. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      So by this weird logic "The Twilight Zone" wasn't a TV series?

      Ooooh spooky twist there.

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    8. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      It's an anthology series. And, if you watch through the end of series four, you'll discover that many of the episodes actually are in an interconnected world, with previous characters or events being referenced in at least one later episode.

    9. Re:"Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show") by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And as pretty much everyone calls it a battery instead of a cell.

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  6. Seems Netflix fired the story writers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    kT

  7. Yeah, everything old is new again. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    Didn't someone try that sort of thing with DVDs many years ago? How'd that work out?

    1. Re:Yeah, everything old is new again. by Desler · · Score: 1

      Swimmingly, of course. Hehe...

    2. Re:Yeah, everything old is new again. by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Shit, when I was a kid in the 80s, and cable companies realized they could have hundreds of channels, this is one of the things they considered doing. "To have KITT rescue Michael, go to channel 500. To have KITT rescue the hostage, go to channel 501."

      By the way, hurry up and bring back Captain Power.

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    3. Re:Yeah, everything old is new again. by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Didn't someone try that sort of thing with DVDs many years ago? How'd that work out?

      Depended on which choices you made

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    4. Re:Yeah, everything old is new again. by drewlake2000 · · Score: 1

      As good as 3D,,,

    5. Re:Yeah, everything old is new again. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I chose VHS, you insensitive clod!

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  8. Car chases, guns, etc .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People want car chases, guns guns guns, nudity, and no story.

    Asking what the people want is asking to be sent to the bottom.

    1. Re:Car chases, guns, etc .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People want car chases, guns guns guns, nudity, and no story.

      And your point is . . . . . . ?

    2. Re:Car chases, guns, etc .... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      People want car chases, guns guns guns, nudity, and no story.

      Maybe in the USA. I'm Canadian and I'm really fucking sick of all the useless violence and deaths.

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    3. Re:Car chases, guns, etc .... by lgw · · Score: 1

      People want car chases, guns guns guns, nudity, and no story.

      Judging by novel sales, what people what most is a good mystery, followed by romance. Adventure is a distant third, followed by children's stories.

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    4. Re:Car chases, guns, etc .... by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, explosions don't look nearly as cool in book form.

    5. Re: Car chases, guns, etc .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless it's a comic book.

  9. Depends by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Well for a start the options are going to be limited and, had they done that with the boat I doubt "Boaty-McBoatface" would have been an option. However, an even better option would be to film all the optional endings and then let each viewer choose how they want it to end. Sort of like the Butterfly Effect did where there were four endings: happy, sad, unclear and the director's.

  10. Re: "Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know, I don't watch that

  11. Sky RedButton by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 1

    Didn't Sky already do this in Britain? They even had a Doctor Who special that let you use Sky RedButton to point out stuff to the Doctor during the episode, and if you missed the cues, the scene unfolded differently (but did not affect the overall plot).

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    1. Re:Sky RedButton by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Sounds like dragon's lair with out the death if you miss the button.

    2. Re:Sky RedButton by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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  12. Netflix floundering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why doesn't Netflix go back to what was working? This internal created programing is mostly crap, can't imagine its cheaper then buying really good produced shows and movies. Amazon has basically done the same thing, spending a ton of money on internal productions. Both need to go back to being a content streamer not a production house making failed original content.

    1. Re:Netflix floundering by Terwin · · Score: 2

      Why doesn't Netflix go back to what was working? This internal created programing is mostly crap, can't imagine its cheaper then buying really good produced shows and movies. Amazon has basically done the same thing, spending a ton of money on internal productions. Both need to go back to being a content streamer not a production house making failed original content.

      Due to:
      1) Price gouging by content owners
      2) Content owners pulling their content and making competing services

      It is probably not only a great deal safer in the long run, but probably cheaper in both the short and long-term to make their own content
      Not to mention
      3) different constraints on streaming vs broadcast
      As this lets them make episodes that do not need to exactly match the current broadcast episode length, or even the length of previous episodes for the same series.
      (including explicit material for some series/episodes that could not be broadcast)

      Also, the opportunity cost is very different as Netflix is not constrained to 'time-slots' and they can keep things running/available even if they are only marginally popular/profitable because the cost for keeping it available on their servers is effectively zero(if it is theirs), and 'broadcast' costs scale with popularity.

  13. Could be disapointing for the viewer by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you are presented with 5 different ways a story ends, people would want to know how it really ends or which one is correct.

    Those "choose your adventure" books always had one real ending (killing the princess and rescue the dragon.. whatever.. there's a reason why they work well with plain vanilla fantasy) and you had to get to that ending.

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    1. Re:Could be disapointing for the viewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While I'd love it if they would go ahead and make the one path you chose become the one and only path you can see, if they don't do that, then you could do like you used to with those books and re-watch until you get the ending you want.

    2. Re:Could be disapointing for the viewer by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      killing the princess and rescue the dragon

      Is that from the Bowsette meme that's been going around? Sounds like an interesting plot twist actually.

    3. Re:Could be disapointing for the viewer by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      If you are presented with 5 different ways a story ends, people would want to know how it really ends or which one is correct.

      Or it'll be like watching Clue (1985). You'll want to see all the endings.

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    4. Re:Could be disapointing for the viewer by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That gives me the shits about people. People refuse to accept their own interpretation and insist on knowing what the "true" ending means, what the "lore" is.

      It ruins some otherwise classic endings, like the ending of Inception, was he dreaming, was he awake, does it matter? I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTOR WAS THINKING!

  14. Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix is experimenting with using an algorithm that produces storylines that pander to the Lowest Common Denominator.

    Expect great and innovative storytelling! /sarc

    1. Re:Bad idea by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      On the contrary, it would allow for story paths for the lowest common denominator AND story paths for the rest of us.

      Netflix is available world-wide, so the lowest common denominator story path would be zero nudity, 200% guns, 300% car chases and 400% gruesome deaths for the USA while the rest of the planet could watch something with tasteful nudity, 1000% less violence and an ending that actually makes sense.

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    2. Re:Bad idea by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      You know nothing about the USA. We actually love watching nudity. We just don't want other Americans to see nudity. Those people can't control themselves.

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  15. Recipes by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Netflix produces shows and movies based on recipes (for most), quantity more than quality. Shows like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, The Wire, have a distinct identity ; none of their creators would let anyone decide the next storyline.

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    1. Re:Recipes by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Shows like Game of Thrones.....have a distinct identity ; none of their creators would let anyone decide the next storyline.

      You do realize the show GoT outpaced the books long enough ago that yes, the show actually has been deciding it's storyline. Of course, they did get buy-in from GRR Martin, but they have said that the show storyline could and probably would differ from the book storyline.

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  16. What's old is new! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was a lame fad in the 60s, it was a lame fad in the 70s, a lame fad in the 80s, a lame fad in the 90s, a lame fad in the 00s, and a lame fad now.

    Next netflix will be mailing out "scratch n sniff" cards for "smell-o-vision"

  17. Solving my biggest gripe with mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...not getting to choose the surprise ending I want

  18. Roman Gladiators? by tmjva · · Score: 1

    With deference to the earlier  post "Everybody Dies" and Blake 7 (s/b "Blake's 7 btw).

    Been done before, everyone in the audience, THUMBS DOWN.

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  19. Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes I want the bad guys to win. Like, all out win; all the good guys die. Maybe, I'll get what I want?

    1. Re:Good idea by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      That could be the basic ending of the branches.

      Another idea would be to follow the story on one side instead of the other. See the bad guys point of view, etc.

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  20. Vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix let viewers choose the next storyline

    Instead of Jessica Jones' adoptive sister being next season's villain, maybe they hook up? And boy is it perverted and wrong. So very, very wrong.

  21. black mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped watching Black Mirror after it went SJW this past season.

  22. Wait, is this what Telltale Games was doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard they were working with Netflix on..... something.

    Is this it? A show where viewers choose what happens next?

  23. It's inevitable by bobdehnhardt · · Score: 1

    All roads lead to bigotry, scatological humor, and sex.

    Because taken as a whole, the Internet is a 12-year-old boy who has no filters, wants to see boobies, and thinks fart jokes are hilarious.

    1. Re: It's inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because deep inside we all wish we could be kids again, where politics, race, and sexuality never mattered.

  24. I waited 33 years to watch Clue (1985) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard on the radio that Clue (1985) had more than one ending, so I skipped the movie in the theater and waited 33 years to watch it. Fortunately the DVD I watched earlier this year had all 3 endings, so I was spared the 1/3 chance of seeing the real ending. (Hint if you haven't seen the movie yet: Look up the "real" ending and only watch that one. Read about the other two, but don't watch them -- just pretend they don't exist. Watching them will just make you angry.)

    Anyway, my point is: I definitely won't ever watch another "interactive" TV show or movie.

  25. Ob futurama by cciechad · · Score: 2

    If you want Calculon to race to the laser gun battle in his hover-Ferarri, press 1. If you want Calculon to double-check his paperwork, press 2. Enter now. Confused, Fry presses "1" on his chair. Mr. Moviefone: You have pressed 2. Fry: No, I didn't! Mr. Moviefone: I'm almost positive you did.

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    1. Re:Ob futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They like Itchy, they like Scratchy, one kid seems to love the Speedo man...

  26. There already is an interactive story medium. by hey! · · Score: 1

    It's called "gaming", and its bound to do it better than anything like this can.

    Somehow I doubt any basically linear form like a movie or a TV show or a novel can offer enough interactivity to matter without undermining the uniquely valuable aspects of traditional storytelling. But it's not surprising that people -- corporate people -- keep trying.

    Movies and special TV shows are massive collective undertakings which take immense logistical ingenuity and financial risk just to bring to the screen. Just sit through the credits of a modern tentpole movie and you'll see more than five hundred people listed.

    What's lost in all that tends to be authorial point of view. That's why you can go to a community theater and see a play put on by a handful of actors and stage hands that entertains you in a way that movies theoretically could can, but seldom do. It's not that blockbusters don't entertain you, but more often than not what you take away from them is the impressive production craft, not the story.

    So I'm not surprised that producers would want to punt on the storytelling. Letting the audience choose is a way of getting them engaged without taking any risks.

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    1. Re:There already is an interactive story medium. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Philips CD-i brought interactive videos to the masses in the 1990's. And our reaction was: meh.

      Sega CD games like Night Trap were novel in that it's terribleness at least could be interpreted as an amusing cult movie / video game.

      (in the 80's there were several arcade systems that were basically interactive videos - Sega's Astro Belt, Cinematronic's Dragon's Lair & Space Ace, Stern Pinball's Cliff Hanger. These aged better than CD-i, probably because of their significantly higher production values)

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  27. Letting the mob write Netflix's series... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Can't be worse than letting Adam Sandler write a series.

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  28. The Papa Murphys of moview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I paid YOU to make the pizza, not for me to make the pizza. Same but with netflix etc.

  29. Nascent form of entertainment? by Scott+Tracy · · Score: 1

    I was building and deploying interactive TV apps in Canada in 2001. iTV is nascent like nuclear fusion is nascent.

  30. Re: "Black Mirror" is not a "series" (or "TV show" by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    if you watch through the end of series four, you'll discover that many of the episodes actually are in an interconnected world

    it's very true (a didn't know the concept)

  31. Infinity Choice Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously people want to see some of the 14 million+ possible futures that Dr. Strange reviewed and decided weren't good enough. Too bad Disney is severing their ties with Netflix.

    Of course if Disney followed suit, those poor princesses would be defiled in 14 million+ unspeakable ways.

  32. My choice for next week's plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our band of heroes corners the country's grain markets by heavy leveraging through off-shore banks. Hillarity ensues. ... whaddaya mean, that's not an option?