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Senate Passes Bill That Lets the Government Destroy Private Drones (engadget.com)

On Thursday, the Senate passed the FAA Reauthorization Act, which, among other things, renews funding for the Federal Aviation Administration and introduces new rules for airports and aircraft. But the bill, which now just needs to be signed by the president, also addresses drones. From a report: And while parts of the bill extend some aspects of drone use -- such as promoting drone package delivery and drone testing -- it also gives the federal government power to take down a private drone if it's seen as a "credible threat." The wording comes from another bill, the Preventing Emerging Threats Act of 2018, which was strongly supported by the Department of Homeland Security and absorbed into the FAA Reauthorization Act. In June, as part of its argument as to why it needed more leeway when it comes to drones, the agency said that terrorist groups overseas "use commercially available [unmanned aircraft systems] to drop explosive payloads, deliver harmful substances and conduct illicit surveillance," and added that the devices are also used to transport drugs, interfere with law enforcement and expolit unsecured networks. Video -- What Happens When a Drone Hits an Airplane Wing?

143 comments

  1. "credible" by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    it also gives the federal government power to take down a private drone if it's seen as a "credible threat."

    Since accusations are automatically "credible" if they are from women, this means that any drone reported by a woman is toast.

    1. Re: "credible" by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Grow up.

      I have - I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

      Our society, however, is regressing into believing that certain kinds of allegations must mean that the accused is guilty unless proved innocent.

      It matters very much what you think is credible, and how you determine that.

    2. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Against using drones to transport drugs? How will old aunt May get her arthritus medicine from Amazon Pharmacy Air Prime Now?

      Ohhhh... they must mean ILLICIT drugs... :-P

    3. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's a valid statement given all the credible accusations w/o any evidence whatsoever that ends up destroying people's lives.. and I'm not just talking about the Kavannaugh BS. There have been plenty of recent events where some (((woman))) claims something and there's all but a lynch mob out on the prowl to kill the supposed assailant on nothing other than this (((woman's))) word.

    4. Re: "credible" by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try growing down, then. Obviously whatever you thought they meant by "grow up" isn't achieving the normative result.

    5. Re: "credible" by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personally I think a judge presiding over the highest court in the land, hired to be a legal and moral compass, should have to bear the burden of demonstrating they aren't scum. This isn't about guilty or innocent after all, he isn't being tried for crimes, he is going through a very strict job interview.

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    6. Re: "credible" by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hah, yeah man. Evidence? Burden of proof? That shits for children who need to grow up.

    7. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you that girl from the 1990's movie Flatliners?

    8. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never done anything in high school you weren't proud of? Never smoked? Never drank? Never did anything technically illegal? Never did anything that might have seemed fine at the time but now thanks to the rage of the SJW is considered terrible and horrible?

      We're talking about things done in high school. Everyone has dumb crap they did as a teenager, and suggesting that only the most boring, most upstanding teenagers should be allowed to hold important jobs is just ludicrous. The type of person that could pass that test is the exact type of person who should not be a judge because they have absolutely no idea what it means to be a human.

      Besides that, if you've been following the news today, they've entirely cleared him of the accusations. They've conclusively proven that he has never even met his accusers. You'd think a psychology professor would understand how the human memory works and how easy it is for a victim of something traumatic to assume that their attacker is someone else, but apparently the rather of the Clinton supporters knows no bounds.

    9. Re: "credible" by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Personally I think a judge presiding over the highest court in the land, hired to be a legal and moral compass, should have to bear the burden of demonstrating they aren't scum.

      In response to any baseless accusation?

      So if I had said that Ruth Ginsberg behaved inappropriately with me when I was in high school, but I had no evidence, she would have had to prove otherwise?

      Because people never lie (or get others to lie) to achieve hugely valuable political goals?

    10. Re: "credible" by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're probably asking the wrong person, because I have a pretty clean record. Even so, I could envision a person who has done a great deal worse than me becoming a Supreme court justice. I don't care if they smoked or drank at an early age. What I can't understand is anyone who ever in their lives did not have the common sense to treat women with absolute respect becoming a Supreme court justice. You are just downplaying serious lack of judgement by calling it a minor lack of judgement.

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    11. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump supporters: dumber than cattle, without even a hint of self-awareness

    12. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our society, however, HAS REGRESSED into believing ... that the accused is guilty unless proved innocent.

      See Hillary Clinton "investigation", Donald Trump "investigation", etc.

    13. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I think a judge presiding over the highest court in the land, hired to be a legal and moral compass, should have to bear the burden of demonstrating they aren't scum. This isn't about guilty or innocent after all, he isn't being tried for crimes, he is going through a very strict job interview.

      So, you are good with just tossing this guys professional career into the ash heap with only the accuser's claims even if they are false? So it is the seriousness of the charge, not the nature of the evidence that condemns the guy?

      This is a tragedy if Ford is wrong and Kavanaugh didn't touch her as he claims. There is zero evidence, other than Ford's claim. Nobody independently remembers any of Ford's story. Nobody remembers the party but Ford, all of those who she claims where present don't remember this specific party. Her best friend doesn't even remember knowing Kavanaugh. Judge, doesn't recall the party, nor does he remember the claimed incident, though Ford claims he was in the room at the time and broke up an attempted rape by jumping on top of her and the person assaulting her. NOBODY but Ford remembers this or any part of her story.

      In short, there is zero way to prove this didn't happen and zero evidence it did. This means there is a good chance it's a false claim, in which case it is completely inappropriate to disqualify the candidate based on this charge. I think we need *some* evidence here or it's totally unfair to dump Kavanaugh, wreak his career and savage his reputation.

    14. Re: "credible" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Ford is receiving death threats. You don't subject yourself to death threats if it isn't something that is very important to you.

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    15. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I can't understand is anyone who ever in their lives did not have the common sense to treat women with absolute respect becoming a Supreme court justice. You are just downplaying serious lack of judgement by calling it a minor lack of judgement.

      Am I? The event you're using as proof of "serious lack of judgement" has been conclusively disproven by the FBI. Check out any newspaper today.

      If you're really so squeaky clean, it doesn't matter anyway: the Clinton Crime Family will just pay off some random woman who lived near you to claim you tried to rape her. Then it'll be your word against hers, because apparently conclusive evidence that you had never met her isn't enough to disprove her claim, at least in your world.

    16. Re:"credible" by bblb · · Score: 1

      Best comment I've seen on slashdot in months... bravo to you, sir.

    17. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asia Argento raped me with a drone. :'( #metoo

    18. Re: "credible" by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      The trouble is....

      #MeToo is now weaponized.

      All it takes against any man, is the mere accusation and *POOF* your life as you know it can be over with nothing more than that accusation.

      This is an extremely powerful and dangerous weapon, and now it has been unleashed politically.

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    19. Re: "credible" by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      If you've ever had a foggy memory morning while learning to drink, you are a rapist! All it takes is an accusation.

      But don't worry, similar will happen to the next D SC nominee. Even if female.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    20. Re: "credible" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The USA is full of TDS sufferers.

      The whole shitshow is very important to them. One of them is Ford's shyster. They have been frustrated and unhinged for two years now.

      I have no doubt they would lie for their cause.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    21. Re: "credible" by lgw · · Score: 1, Informative

      How is this modded up? Are people unfamiliar with Americas shameful history of acting on accusations without trial, or burden of proof? We do not need to return to those times.

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    22. Re: "credible" by lgw · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, Court of law or court of public opinion: treated as innocent until proven guilty. More than anyone else, a justice should uphold that standard,

      Stop pretending that a shameful, transparent tactic to delay confirmation until after the election is anything else. Accusers that change their stories, whose claims are flatly denied by those they say are witnesses? These don't even rise to the level of needing a defense.

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    23. Re: "credible" by lgw · · Score: 1

      SCOTUS protection for abortion is the most important thing for a great many people. Worth many death threats.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    24. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's modded up because that moron is trying to make a story about drones into some statement about women falsely accusing men of stuff. You should be modded down because your post about "accusations without trial" or "burden of proof" has zero to do with the government shooting down drones.

    25. Re: "credible" by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      totally unfair

      We're talking about politics here. It's all unfair. You think Merrick Garland got treated fairly? And regardless of the fact that there's no evidence, her story certainly seems on the surface to be credible while his version looks weak. It's a popularity contest and Kavanaugh is losing it. They need to abandon this guy and find someone who isn't so badly tainted.

    26. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airspace control is more important than whatever nosy jackasses with a toy might be doing.

    27. Re: "credible" by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      So if I received death threats, that would prove that Ginsburg had got handsy with me?

    28. Re: "credible" by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It's a popularity contest and Kavanaugh is losing it.

      All signs point to him being confirmed this weekend. The worst part of all this is that I know almost nothing about him beyond this shitshow. For the 0.01% of air time his track record, career, etc. receive, we get nothing beyond a myopic left/right tally designed to label him as conservative and thus bad (or good, on that one network).

    29. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      And Steve Scalise was SHOT by a deranged liberal because of TDS.
      Rand Paul was attacked by a neighbor with TDS.
      Rand Paul was assaulted at an airport just yesterday by people following Cory Booker's directions.
      Cruz was attacked at a restraint following Booker's directions.
      Sarah Sanders was attacked at a restraint following Maxine Waters' directions.

      So please tell me again about threats from anonymous individuals VS attacks promoted by DNC Congresspeople who are unwilling to take back their calls for violence.

    30. Re: "credible" by lgw · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's modded up because that moron is trying to make a story about drones into some statement about women falsely accusing men of stuff. You should be modded down because your post about "accusations without trial" or "burden of proof" has zero to do with the government shooting down drones.

      Welcome to Slashdot! Go ahead and make an account, it doesn't cost anything. I hope you find your time here enjoyable. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of "not reading TFA" and "every thread has its own topic" and "the mods are on crack, and not the good crack either".

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    31. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was Merrick Garland falsely accused of being a gang/serial rapist?
      I don't remember that happening, I just remember no vote being called.

      I guess you are on the side of destroying people's lives for a short term personal gain. What was that liberals always say about CEOs again?

    32. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ford is receiving death threats. You don't subject yourself to death threats if it isn't something that is very important to you.

      She also gained $700,000 in gofundme donations. If I or you or anyone else said "I received death threats," and who with an online presence hasn't, we certainly would not end up 700k richer.

      Of course you don't care that the accused has also faced death threats and castration threats. One matters and the other doesn't. Pure sexism leveraged political gamesmanship.

      Disgusting.

    33. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah man, like 5 years of hard partying with frat boys and now I'm like getting accused of attempted raped almost daily. I mean man like they're just so totally committed to like unnecessary financial and emotional burden so they can like get into my bank account or slander my good name or whatever.

      Anyone check double check Bart's birth cert to make sure he's the sex he claims? Cuz he was getting real emotional.

      How'd you tell a neckbeard on the internet? They use *female* in place of women/woman.

      Captcha: neuron: n. something you're lacking.

    34. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has a history of honoring previous judicial decisions. His decisions have been justified utilizing existing law, without regard of what he feels about that law, and he does not justify decisions using primarily morality or normativity.

      Whether that is good or bad is up to individual preference.

    35. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Her story certainly seems credible"...? Which story?

      She's changed her story several times - different numbers of people, different times and years, different places, different floor plans in the houses. Plus many major facts about the 'crime' she just doesn't know.
      Then there are her lies about flying. Or her odd choice to describe her 2007 permit for an additional front door to be used as access for a private business office as something she used to reveal her abuse in a 2012 marriage counselling session.
      Also, she refuses to show those counselling notes to the committee, even though she claims they prove her claims.
      There's the boyfriend of 6 years during which she claimed she had trouble being around men. The same boyfriend that claims she never told him about any of this stuff.

      Then Kavanaugh. In addition to Ford's assault claim, he is... accused of lying about how much he drank in high school and college and lying about what his in-crowd's slang meant.

      Her story is so full of holes that it CANNOT be falsified. It can only be taken on faith - no different than the Resurrection of Christ.
      Believing in Ford seems like an odd religion to an atheist like me - but hey. Whatever makes you feel good, ya know?

    36. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to beat you up if you accuse Ginsburg of anything inappropriate.

      You can now thank me for giving you the same credibility as Dr. Ford. Think its possible for fluffernutter to understand how quickly you became credible with an obviously fake accusation.

    37. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My UID's in the low 1,000,000s. I posted AC because I'm nearly as Off-Topic as you.

    38. Re: "credible" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Enjoy the next SC nominee put up by the Ds.

      This shit will never end now.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    39. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with Kavanagh isnt that he was a bit rapey in highschool. Maybe it should be, but it is not. The problem is that it seems he lied about it, and he definitely lied about a lot of other things (blackout drinking, stolen documents, his role in other scandals, etc).

      Worst of all is that he outright lied about it being a Clinton conspiracy. She lost, Republicans need to get over it.

    40. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not one of us, he just said he'd fuck a goat. Throw him out of the van!

    41. Re: "credible" by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Regressing?

      "It's a very scary time for young men in this country." - Donald Trump

      I know, just ask the Central Park Five.

      Accusations by Donald Trump

      "Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer ... Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will. ... How can our great society tolerate the continued brutalization of its citizens by crazed misfits? Criminals must be told that their CIVIL LIBERTIES END WHEN AN ATTACK ON OUR SAFETY BEGINS!" - Donald Trump

      In decades past, they would have just been lynched. Instead they were exonerated in 2002, but did that stop Donald Trump?

      As recently as 2 years ago., Trump was still proclaiming their guilt.

    42. Re: "credible" by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      I guarantee you, the Senate will NOT even give fluffernutter a hearing, let alone confirm him to the Supreme Court.

    43. Re: "credible" by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      A lot of that was covered prior to the allegations by Ford. People just weren't paying attention because legal arguments and Constitutional law just aren't as sexy as stories of attempted rape.

      He has some "interesting" ideas about Presidential immunity for example.

    44. Re: "credible" by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Grown ups are able to differentiate between a legal proceeding and a job interview, and thus apply different standards to those situations.

    45. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Clinton Crime Family"? Give me a break.

    46. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Denying knowledge of an event is not equivalent to denying the event occurred. Are you really surprised Judge denies it happened?

    47. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with Kavanagh isnt that he was a bit rapey in highschool. Maybe it should be, but it is not. The problem is that it seems he lied about it, and he definitely lied about a lot of other things (blackout drinking, stolen documents, his role in other scandals, etc).

      "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

      -- President William Jefferson Clinton, at age 49, talking about Monica Lewinsky, who was 22, and who later produced evidence that contradicted this statement.

      Perhaps we should also drag out the history of Senator Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne if we want to talk about roles in scandals.

      Perhaps we should have different expectations for Supreme Court Justices than elected politicians, even the President, but the behavior alleged about Brett Kavanaugh don't come close to the proven incidences of a) taking advantage of a star-struck White House intern, or b) actually leaving someone to die following an accident most likely related to the driver's state of intoxication.

    48. Re: "credible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Learning to drink" is the stupidest thing I've read on internet this week.

      You're a rape apologist and a dick to women. Just accept it, people would respect you more you fucking twat.

    49. Re: "credible" by El+Cubano · · Score: 1

      Ford is receiving death threats. You don't subject yourself to death threats if it isn't something that is very important to you.

      You must have missed the part where either Senator Feinstein or Congresswoman Eshoo (or someone on their staffs) leaked the letter.

      Dr. Ford did not subject herself to death threats. The Democrats helped her out on that one.

    50. Re: "credible" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Hey, a Hillary supporter. Guess you're pretty pissed off at all the accusations that were made at her, especially considering how often she got investigated and nothing was found.

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    51. Re: "credible" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I thought it started a long time ago. Shit last election there were accusations of one of the candidates running a pedo ring from a pizza parlor.

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    52. Re: "credible" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I'm listening to the details Ford testified with. Her memory seems clear to me. She said she had one beer.

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    53. Re:"credible" by vbdasc · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new female overlords.

    54. Re: "credible" by hiroshimarrow · · Score: 1

      That's right, your honor! I'd only had 2 beers! The tree my car was nudged up against ever so gently enough to total it came out of nowhere! And those corn stalks... well, those came from the drive through farmer's market where people wouldn't get out of my way. Now THOSE people should be charged!

    55. Re: "credible" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Some people are more believable than others.

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    56. Re: "credible" by strikethree · · Score: 1

      What I can't understand is anyone who ever in their lives did not have the common sense to treat women with absolute respect becoming a Supreme court justice.

      Most children go through a stage where they slap their own mother in the face. Automatic disqualification to become Supreme Court judge? If not, why not? You said "ever in their lives".

      I am going to go ahead and assume you did not mean toddlers. Then at what age?

      Society chose 18. Deal with it.

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    57. Re: "credible" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Which is why Ds believe those accusing Rs, and vice versa.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    58. Re: "credible" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Are you under 14? Otherwise you should remember most of your HS keggers.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    59. Re: "credible" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Now it's in the senate. It will never leave.

      Just accept that every future SC nominee will be confirmed despite an unprovable 11th hour alligation.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  2. Oh well, back to old school by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I guess stealing a Cessna or dirigible or van, or semi and loading it up with fertilizer will never go out of style. /s

    1. Re:Oh well, back to old school by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I guess stealing a Cessna or dirigible or van, or semi and loading it up with fertilizer will never go out of style. /s

      It at least reduces the size of the arsenal that can fly over walls and fences ...

    2. Re:Oh well, back to old school by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      The trouble is, there are other provisions in there...that as I understand it, require EVERY drone operator (commercial or private) to pass a FAA test, and essentially be blessed by the FAA as a pilot, along with associated fees, etc.

      However, it gets worse than that....the new law also now requires you to carry that license documentation with you at all times flying a drone, and any time any law enforcement (local, state, etc) wants to harass you, and see you flying a drone, they can stop you, require you to show your documentation and if you don't have it on you, can confiscate your drone with no due process and as far as I know, no rules on how to get it returned.

      They may be able to just destroy it, I'm not sure.

      Again, I may have misread the bill...but even if you have your 'license' on you....local authorities with the broadly worded bill, may be able to almost arbitrarily say your drone, no matter what it is doing....is a danger and force you to surrender it to them, or they can destroy it at will.

      Sadly, the bill is so broadly worded, it can give the authorities WAY too much ability to interfere with your life and cause an encounter, and possibly lose you your property.

      Of course...that would never be abused....[rolls eyes]

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    3. Re:Oh well, back to old school by lgw · · Score: 1

      So the bar is higher than flying a light plane? Insane. I guess theres nothing that we won't have a moral panic over.

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    4. Re:Oh well, back to old school by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      How is any of this constitutional?

      This allows people to be deprived of their property without any due process.

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    5. Re:Oh well, back to old school by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      How is any of this constitutional?

      This allows people to be deprived of their property without any due process.

      Well, apparently the legislators and entrenched bureaucracy no longer consider that when draft/passing laws and regulations.

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    6. Re:Oh well, back to old school by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Civil forfeiture laws have been used to deprive people of their property without due process since the 1920s and prohibition, but they really stepped it up in the 80s with the war on drugs.

      Good luck getting power-hungry politicians and police forces to give up that cash cow.

    7. Re:Oh well, back to old school by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      How is any of this constitutional?

      You have no Constitutional right to fly a drone. Airspace is inherently "public", so the government gets to regulate what happens there.

      Much like you have no Constitutional right to drive a car on public roads - that's why you have a driver's license, and why the state can deny driver's licenses to people.

    8. Re:Oh well, back to old school by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Just tp note, although this legilsation is buried with in FAA stuff, it has nothing to do with the FAA and is in fact tied to Homeload security, so all Federal lands, including national parks et al, basically nearly all public lands. Look what else was in there "A roadmap for a United States and coalition strategy to reestablish security and governance in Syria", a fucking roadmap to invade and take over the government of Syria, what the fuck does that have to do with the FAA. Not even trying to pretend to hide their intent to invade and take over in Syria and killing all who resist (dumb fuckers, you should have put good in front security and governance, so neutral, rather than imply an intent for military invasion and taking over the government of Syria to turn it into another Libya).

      Note no mention for liability for taking down a drone ie target drone, disable drone, drone crashes into person directly or a person driving a car and kills them, well, tough luck for them and it is the drone owners fault. It is corrupt bullshit burying laws in unaffiliated legislation. What the fuck does the US FAA have to do with invading Syria and killing everyone who resists and anyone in their near vicinity.

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  3. We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd like to see more drones taken down. I'd also like a new federal program for private citizens to apply for a drone hunting permit.

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    1. Re:We need more drones taken down by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:We need more drones taken down by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Because how dare people have a hobby!
      Oh look a harmless drone flying around. I is following the rules, being used safely not spying on people. But lets shoot it down, because someone has a hobby!
      We can't have people having a hobby, unless it is shooting stuff. Then in that case it is our god given right!

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    3. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yeeehawww!

      I wonder if I could get the same ruling in California too, as long as I don't shoot some film studio's drone. The courts are overly protective of Hollywood.

      PS - yes, you can own firearms in California. it's not a big deal if you're away from the big coastal cities. You used to be able to open carry here in unincorporated areas until recently

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    4. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I guess don't trespass on my property. You can use the airspace 80 ft above my property all you like, as long as you stay in accordance to FAA rules. And ideally you should have joined the AMA and paying your dues towards liability coverage.

      A few years ago my RC club had a plane's battery catch fire in a dry field, and luckily we were nearby to extinguish it. But if you're outside of a reasonable range because you're flying FPV illegally, I'm going to take your toy out of commission. I'll politely return the pieces to you. You can try taking me to court for the damages, but I'm confident it won't go well for you.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    5. Re:We need more drones taken down by myth24601 · · Score: 1

      Should be open season. If it is over your property and within range of birdshot, it is fair game.

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    6. Re:We need more drones taken down by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Is this a common problem in your community?
      Where I live, people usually fly drones on their property, or with permission above others. They normally don't want to pay hundreds-thousdands of dollars for a Drone, to have it just kinda fly all over the place just to create chaos.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    7. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      Is this a common problem in your community?

      Happens a lot at the beach. But I'm not allowed to bring guns on the public beach. Also it might be upsetting if people were shooting in the air all the time, but it's Santa Cruz so a lot of weird shit goes down and nobody seems to care.

      Where I live, people usually fly drones on their property, or with permission above others.

      In urban areas people don't have acres of property. So they fly in parks and at beaches.

      They normally don't want to pay hundreds-thousdands of dollars for a Drone, to have it just kinda fly all over the place just to create chaos.

      We've reprimanded multiple members in our club for doing just this. They like to fly around illegally with FPV and make YouTube videos of their illegal flights. One guy had footage flying 10+ miles away while he sat in a lawn chair wearing his goggles. Made possible because he got some high powered VHF transmitter and a HAM license. He was legal for the FCC, but not following AMA guidelines or FAA regs.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    8. Re:We need more drones taken down by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Happens a lot at the beach. But I'm not allowed to bring guns on the public beach. Also it might be upsetting if people were shooting in the air all the time, but it's Santa Cruz so a lot of weird shit goes down and nobody seems to care....

      In urban areas people don't have acres of property. So they fly in parks and at beaches....

      The examples you are giving are people flying in public areas....ie, open to use BY the public.

      That should cause you no harm since it isn't over your private land, but you seem to be arguing that it is...?

      What's wrong with flying at a public beach?

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    9. Re:We need more drones taken down by bblb · · Score: 1

      No one cares about your hobby unless you're putting your drone where it shouldn't be... fly your drone into a no fly zone, it gets taken down. Keep your drone in your backyard, "hobby" your ass off all day and no one will care.

    10. Re:We need more drones taken down by PPH · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with flying at a public beach?

      Nothing. As long as you keep your drone above a minimum safe altitude. Crash your toy into a bunch of people and those blades can do a lot of damage.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    11. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      The examples you are giving are people flying in public areas....ie, open to use BY the public.

      technically it's not permissible to fly drones in a public space without permission from the entity that controls that space (city, county, or state)

      That should cause you no harm since it isn't over your private land, but you seem to be arguing that it is...?

      The other example is flying over private land, see the part where I talk about people flying 10+ miles out. That's all hills and meadows, some of it part of the county's Open Spaces preserve, some of it private land. Many of the open spaces are under fire advisory so drones are often prohibited at those times, even when they aren't it's not a smart thing to do. As your drone setting off a wildfire makes you liable for civil penalties, and the AMA isn't going to step in and save your butt.

      What's wrong with flying at a public beach?

      It's legal at some beaches and not others. You must check the beach posting to determine if drones are allowed and at what times. In my earlier example it is not permitted without special permission for public safety reasons at a very crowded beach. But if you really want more detail there is a nice summary from the California Department of Parks and Recreation

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    12. Re:We need more drones taken down by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Most places you'll be a world of hurt for discharging a firearm in the city. As you should.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    13. Re:We need more drones taken down by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      spying in people's windows a hobby? buzzing close to people's heads for a laugh? (like a coupe were doing in my neighborhood)

      hobbyists like that need their toys broken. maybe a punch in the face too.

    14. Re:We need more drones taken down by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Typical American. The answer is always a gun.

    15. Re:We need more drones taken down by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Only a property owner or law enforcement should be allowed to shoot down a drone (under specific circumstances). There are safety issues to consider. A damaged drone can easily kill someone falling down from the sky.

    16. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean a broken clock isn't right twice a day.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    17. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's theoretically possible for a falling drone to kill someone, but I would not classify it as easy.

      Odds are probably higher for an accidentally shooting. Or for the drone pilot to chase his falling craft and get run over by not looking both ways before crossing the street.

      Many of the ordinances that restrict drone(UAS) are to do with safety. It's not safe to fly them over highways for example. It's not safe to fly them over a redneck farmer's property. Lots of places you shouldn't be flying them.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    18. Re:We need more drones taken down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeeehawww!

      I wonder if I could get the same ruling in California too, as long as I don't shoot some film studio's drone. The courts are overly protective of Hollywood.

      PS - yes, you can own firearms in California. it's not a big deal if you're away from the big coastal cities. You used to be able to open carry here in unincorporated areas until recently

      As you travel away from the coast the rest of California might as well be a different state entirely.

    19. Re:We need more drones taken down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um yeah, Kentucky..
      By law you can blast or copulate with or both, anything that comes onto your property in Kentucky.

    20. Re:We need more drones taken down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once a day, if it's a 24-hour clock.

    21. Re:We need more drones taken down by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I have a 24 hour mechanical wrist watch. But I think it's safe to assume most people do not.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  4. AI masters will not be happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every drone is a credible threat.

  5. Supprises no one. by Riceballsan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really this is the least of issues by any law enforcement I know of. I'd at least consider drones considered lower stakes than human life, and it doesn't seem like we have much trouble with laws allowing law enforcement or government agents to shoot humans that "might pose a threat".

    1. Re:Supprises no one. by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      The funny part is only that some legislative drone thought it would be useful to add the language, when they can already destroy private property in any way they want if they determined it is part of a credible threat.

      Heck, they could already shoot the operator if they thought the threat was imminent!

    2. Re:Supprises no one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder why this aspect is separately legislated anyway. For protecting lives, or integrity of areas classified as sensitive the authorities would already have the right to shoot people who don't stop when told to. The right and obligation to destroy property that causes danger in a similar situation should be trivial.

    3. Re:Supprises no one. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      I'd at least consider drones considered lower stakes than human life, and it doesn't seem like we have much trouble with laws allowing law enforcement or government agents to shoot humans that "might pose a threat".

      I don't disagree but now what am I supposed to do with all these drone disguises I was going to sell to people to prevent them from being shot by the police? ;)

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      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    4. Re:Supprises no one. by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      In the USA cops steal more than burglars.

      If you have problem and call 911, you now have two problems.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    5. Re:Supprises no one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiots flying drones CAN cost human lives. There was a bad accident on a roadway near to my neighborhood a few weeks back. EMS brought in a life-flight helicopter to evac somebody to the hospital. But the helicopter couldn't land, why? - Because some dumbass was flying his stupid drone right over the accident scene, and they didn't want to risk a collision. It's times like that where you wish it was legal to shoot both the drone and the operator.

    6. Re:Supprises no one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose in certain areas of the USA that is true, but hardly in all areas and definitely not like it is in most of the undeveloped world where cops openly ask for payoffs.

      If you live in a place with cops like you claim, move. I've lived in 11 cities and 9 different states. None of them had the sort of cop corruption you are claiming.

    7. Re:Supprises no one. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Its a nation wide statistic.

      Cops steal on every interstate, they look for out of state plates just to steal any cash they find.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    8. Re:Supprises no one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post reeks of bacon grease and burnt hot dogs, Officer Porkins.

  6. Ha ha by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Drone fanbois, no doubt, will seethe at this.
    You have no one to blame but yourselves, really; you failed to police your own sufficiently, and now drone owners who refused to behave apporpriately and not use their drones irresponsibly have brought the government down on all of you.
    Enjoy playing with your drones in your backyards, that's about the only place you'll be allowed to use them now.

    Don't hate the messenger, hate the message. I didn't do this to you, and hating on me won't change anything, so have a little dignity and don't.

    1. Re:Ha ha by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      I tried to point that out to the national model airplane organization (AMA), and that they needed to make a distinction between traditional models and drones - because *it was metaphysical certainty that drones were going to be heavily regulated* and nothing they could say was going to stop it. But no, they decided to embrace drone idiots just like everyone else. The result is *very likely* to wipe out most forms of RC gliders, large-scale, jet turbines, and the original form of model aircraft, free-flight (no control system at all) and require airmanship tests for everyon. This is likely to include *control-line*, which are tethered to the pilot and can never exceed 70 feet or fly outside a designated hemisphere close to the ground. Oh, and you may have to be 16 or 18 years old or more to take the test, so forget kids flying gliders in the park.

            Of course, it's all ultimately unenforceable, and will only be adhered to by the people who are *already responsible operator* and don't need regulation, and ignored by the idiots they are targeting.

              This is all a catastrophe for model airplane fliers

    2. Re:Ha ha by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      ...and require airmanship tests for everyon.

      That IS a part of this recently passed law.

      Everyone will have to pass a FAA pilot type test, and you are going to be required to have that license on you at ALL times you are flying, and any law enforcement type can stop you at any time they see you flying, and have an encounter, requiring you to show your license, and if not on you, can confiscate your equipment.

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    3. Re:Ha ha by russotto · · Score: 2

      Yes, they are requiring you to take a test. And you will be required to have proof of passage on you (but they don't call it a "license", or even an "airman's certificate"; one important distinction would be that it's not revocable). But the seizure and forfeiture provisions aren't in that part of the bill, they're in a separate section that concerns UAS which threaten DHS-protected facilities. So if you fly your model into a nuclear plant or sewage plant or any of a number of other facilities, they can take it. But if you're just flying around in a field with your unregistered model airplane without having taken a test, this bill does not allow them to seize the equipment. They can, however, hit you with civil fines of up to $20,000 per violation, and it doesn't take much creativity to come up with a bunch of violations for a single act.

    4. Re:Ha ha by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing, just to be clear: when I was a kid, I built and flew model airplanes. If I were a kid now, I'd think drones were awesome and would want one; when they came out, I thought they were pretty cool and saw no downside. Then idiots started doing idiotic things with them, like invade people's privacy, fly them into wildfire areas and in the way of firefighting aircraft, flew them at airports and other places they don't belong, and I said "you people need to police your own better", meaning track these idiots down yourselves and LEAN ON THEM as hard as you have to, to make them understand they need to KNOCK IT OFF, but all I got was hate and insults for my words. Nobody policed themselves, idiots with drones said "Fuck the police, I'll do what I want", and now you have where things are today. It's all their own damned faults this is going this way, it didn't have to happen, and quite frankly it's a damned shame that something that's intrinsicly very cool is now ruined because a few selfish assholes couldn't behave responsibly. But the entire drone community needs to have it pounded into them that this is their fault for not stopping the problem themselves before it got to this point. At some point in the future things might get loosened up enough to make it fun and cool again, but it'll be a long while off, and when it does, they'll HAVE to police themselves, or they'll just make things even worse, maybe ban them entirely.

    5. Re:Ha ha by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      But if you're just flying around in a field with your unregistered model airplane without having taken a test, this bill does not allow them to seize the equipment.

      From my understanding of what was passed, it was so broadly written, that they indeed can interpret it to mean they can confiscate from you on the spot for any reason they deem "dangerous".....and we all know law enforcement will always 'err' on the side of broad powers for them.

      Hell, there are still people in New Orleans from Katrina that never got their guns back, and that does directly against Bill of rights violations, you don't think a broadly worded FAA law won't take from you what they want when they want...?

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    6. Re:Ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you "police your own" when you have no police powers?
      Without giving a licensing organization some sort of force backed by the government, there is no way for the good folks to prevent the bad ones from misbehaving. Even attempts to put GPS fencing into drones failed - as every other software DRM-style measure does.

    7. Re:Ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Nearly ever model flying I know has at least one quadcopter. It's not exactly "us" vs "them". I think we can both agree that one problem is that consumer drones are marketed as safe and simple to people with no experience. In the past, learning to fly an airplane generally required help from somebody that already knew what they were doing. Existing modelers like us are upset because we believe ourselves to be experienced/safe, but there needs to be a reasonable path for beginners to join us.

      2) What is a "drone"? I've had multiple people call my 100 gram foamy biplane a "drone". Is it something that has GPS guidance or a camera? I have a 200 gram plane with RTH that I sometimes fly FPV. Not playing dumb here, but we both know that it's not so black and white. We need something better than "I'll know it when I see it" to regulate.

      3) A 30 gram tiny whoop is a danger to absolutely nothing. Little foamy park fliers are pretty safe. A multiple kilogram commercial octocopter or "traditional" heli can be be deadly. A nerf gun is obviously not the same as a handgun. Regulations are going to need more subtlety than just "model" and "drone".

    8. Re:Ha ha by vbdasc · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but self-policing doesn't work. When you have a new cool toy that is powerful enough to be able to do real harm, there will be idiots abusing it, and a tough regulation will follow. That's the way of life.

    9. Re:Ha ha by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Model airplane people have been self-policing, mostly successfully, for about 100 years and without drones/quadcopter/FPV, this issue would never have come up.

  7. In the words of a Wise Master by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Begun, the drone wars have

  8. Truth for everyones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1st Prize for this tournament: try to record some zones from Area 51 with the help of drones and publish them to Internet for knowing the truth of the U.S. citizens against the government's liars.

  9. They couldn't do that before!? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I hate it when I first hear about cool and useful stuff in news stories about how it's no longer available...

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  10. nice acronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preventing Emerging Threats Act of 2018 -

    P.E.T.A.

    Now Republicans and Democrats alike can go on and on about how much they love P.E.T.A.

    1. Re:nice acronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well most of us do like P.E.T.A. - People Eating Tasty Animals. Some few Vegans don't like P.E.T.A. though.

  11. Totally Failed TEST question. by bussdriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Part of the INTERVIEW process is to test the candidate. The content of the actual question is not relevant. Would you steal a pencil from work? If you say never, you area a lying ass kisser who can not be trusted. No job for you.

    Ask something irrelevant and perhaps embarrassing and it doens't matter if it is true or not if you act like a sniffling man baby. Aside from being caught in lies about things that are simply not worth lying about. Stop boofing your own head!

    Reasonable grounds to drop him exist already; aside from the huge coverup games and smokescreen alone make somebody look so bad as to now allow it simply on the grounds it disrespects the whole process and the nation... and for what? If he was any good they have the time for an honest process but that isn't how it even began because they have real problems they are trying to avoid. Much more is being gotten away with in this disgrace.

    If the man had any respect for the nation he would resign the nomination like so many patriots before him who weren't even responsible but as heads of departments symbolically took the blame and resign. If the cause matters more than himself, he'd bail out before it became too late and risk a like minded person getting the job.

    Finally, innocent until proven guilty is not logical and is ONLY for the legal process. It's a precept. It has NOTHING to do with job interviews or politics! The whole basis for term limits is that politicians are guilty until proven innocent; it's all about where you want the error bias to exist. Attack ads WORK because of this as well; it tends to make people not vote but that means it's still working.

    1. Re:Totally Failed TEST question. by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      "Would you steal a pencil from work? If you say never, you area a lying ass kisser who can not be trusted."

      So...how many pencils have you stolen from work?

    2. Re:Totally Failed TEST question. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      He's got a link to the leftist version of Alex Jones as his SIG. Your time is better spent arguing with a brick, the brick is smarter and more self-aware.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    3. Re:Totally Failed TEST question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Democracy Now is a leftist version of Alex Jones you are mentally retarded. Literally. No seriously, you have a mental condition that is retarding your cognitive functions. Go to a therapist and ask them to explain it to you before you have bigger problems surface.

    4. Re:Totally Failed TEST question. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      In a job interview question, ones like this are likely multiple choice so you just answer YES. If you over think it, then it gets complicated but such an answer can say plenty about you beyond just your honesty; it can show how honest or realistic you are about yourself and your limitations as well. How you justify something after the fact when it might actually matter; hints about how you shift blame, take responsibility, etc.

    5. Re:Totally Failed TEST question. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Alex Jones fans are no more self-aware than you.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  12. MUH GUNS! MUH DRONES! MUH FREEDUMBS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    B-b-but the only thing that can stop GOVERNMENT TYRANNY is a good guy with a drone!!

    1. Re:MUH GUNS! MUH DRONES! MUH FREEDUMBS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who let you out of the mental hospital?

  13. Better just chop off your cock now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CRY MOAR FAGGIT! Its very AMERICAN of you, you pussy faggot. Or you could ENLIST and stop being such a wingey faghit!

    1. Re:Better just chop off your cock now! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Say: 'Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh'.

      Does that make you cry?

      Wait until Ginsburg dies or is removed for senility, that's when the fun will really start!

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  14. right back at ya by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hah, yeah man. Evidence? Burden of proof? That shits for children who need to grow up.

    Right with accountability, transparency and democracy.

    1. Re:right back at ya by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Cool buzzwords, coward. Care to make an argument?

  15. And so it begins... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it will be before some evil bastard crams a drone full of a noxious substance and flies it to a location where the government will provide the means to scatter it all over a nice, wide area. How long would it take to clean up an airport contaminated with some kind of nasty, superfine powder?

    Really, it's just a different kind of evolution.

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    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
    1. Re:And so it begins... by vbdasc · · Score: 1

      How long would it take to clean up an airport contaminated with some kind of nasty, superfine powder?

      Orders of magnitude less than the supermax prison term awaiting the evil bastard, methinks.

    2. Re:And so it begins... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. Assuming they caught him, of course.

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      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
  16. The real problem by Max_W · · Score: 1

    is that a drone with camera gives too much power in hands of citizen journalists.

    In the past all one needed a high fence and a guard, and not one could see an estate, a factory, a dump, etc.

    Now it becomes much harder to hide issues.

    1. Re:The real problem by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      You appear to have forgotten that private aircraft exist that are not drones.

    2. Re:The real problem by Max_W · · Score: 1

      A manned aircraft cannot fly lower than 200 - 300 meters (depending on a country). It can fly only according to a flight plan. A manned aircraft produces enormous noise. It costs a lot of money, even renting or fueling one for an hour costs a lot of money. It weighs thousand of kilograms, while a drone weighs hundreds of grams, seven(!) orders of magnitude lower.

      I read and view aerial photos (from a drone) of several cases when a public servant with a modest salary possessed a kind of royal property worth millions. I've never seen anything like this from a manned aircraft.

      At the same time, sociologists claim that no society can exist without certain amount of accepted lies. Drones change it, they make it more difficult to obfuscate. It could be the main reason of the unprecedented attack on this technology.

  17. Anybody can destroy a private... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    ...drone that is flying over the private property. There was a court case that settled that a while ago.

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    Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
  18. Credible Threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The commenters so far are way off base on this. "Credible Threat" certainly covers terrorist or other attacks involving drones. It also includes drones not being operated by fire-fighting agencies getting in the way of tanker aircraft. And drones interfering with legal recon operations. All those are grey areas at this time, and shooting down or otherwise disabling those drones in those situations could result in lawsuits. Having a clear way to identify and deal with those legal situations would be a benefit.

    And to highlight one other commenter's statement: no, you do not have a constitutional right to operate a drone in such a way as to be a nuisance or to violate reasonable laws and regulations.