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Intel Debuts 9th-Gen Core Chips, Including Core i9 and X-Series Parts, With a Few Twists (pcworld.com)
Intel unveiled its 9th-generation Core desktop chips, with the notable omission of a key feature: Hyper-Threading, at least on all but the most exclusive Core i9-9900K for mainstream PCs. Hyper-Threading has also been reserved for a new iteration of Intel's X-series processors, which includes up to 18 cores and 36 threads. From a report: In a livestream Monday morning from its Fall Launch Event in New York, the company announced just a single Core i9 chip, the $488 Core i9-9900K. Later, the company privately revealed two others in the Core i7 and Core i5 families. Intel also announced a new series of X-class chips, ranging from 8 cores and 16 threads through 18 cores and 36 threads. Prices will range from $589 to $1,979.
It's certainly fair to say that Intel surprised us all with the unexpected shift of its upcoming 28-core chip to the Xeon family, as well as the announcement of the X-series chips, too. And what's the deal with hyperthreading? Intel's announcement certainly adds some new topics to talk about in the months ahead. Part of the confusion was due to what Intel was expected to announce: a family of new 9th-gen chips, from Core i3s up through the Core i9, and how it did so. On the publicly available livestream, the company revealed only the presence of the Core i9-9900K, as well as the presence of the new X-series parts. Later, after the livestream had concluded, Intel fleshed out the remaining members of the K-series parts, and disclosed the price and performance of the X-series parts.
However, Intel didn't even mention what many enthusiasts wanted to know: why only the i9-9900K, out of all of Intel's mainstream parts, boasts the Hyper-Threading feature. Further reading: Intel claims best gaming processor with 9th Gen Core unveiling.
It's certainly fair to say that Intel surprised us all with the unexpected shift of its upcoming 28-core chip to the Xeon family, as well as the announcement of the X-series chips, too. And what's the deal with hyperthreading? Intel's announcement certainly adds some new topics to talk about in the months ahead. Part of the confusion was due to what Intel was expected to announce: a family of new 9th-gen chips, from Core i3s up through the Core i9, and how it did so. On the publicly available livestream, the company revealed only the presence of the Core i9-9900K, as well as the presence of the new X-series parts. Later, after the livestream had concluded, Intel fleshed out the remaining members of the K-series parts, and disclosed the price and performance of the X-series parts.
However, Intel didn't even mention what many enthusiasts wanted to know: why only the i9-9900K, out of all of Intel's mainstream parts, boasts the Hyper-Threading feature. Further reading: Intel claims best gaming processor with 9th Gen Core unveiling.
Hyperthreading is at least partly to blame for the serious security flaws in nearly every processor produced over the last two decades. The 9900K still has it because some people value speed over security. https://www.itnews.com.au/news...
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From someone who buys lots of CPUs from both Intel and AMD: Intel is still the single thread champ. Know Thy Workload and always use the best tool for each job.
Theyâ(TM)ll add hyperthreading back for the 10th Gen, which will be the 5th variant of Skylake.
I'm not buying unless it's overpriced, has both Spectre and Meltdown flaws, and the built-in Intel Management Engine backdoor.
These are the features I demand as an Intel fanboy who pays more for less so I can merit putting the Intel Inside sticker on my desktop case for all to see.
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Until alll chip manufacturers can get their small nanometers working reliably and Windows 7 support is restored there is no reason to upgrade. Removing features has been going on for a while now. Look at how many computers still come with 32GB storage when back in 2004 40GB hard drives were considered low end. Any true performance increases will be eaten up by millenialscript apps anyway..
...what kind of housefires are these things gonna be? They almost certainly went back to solder because toothpaste wasn't going to cut it for these chips to even work. The last AMD processor I bought was an X2 4200+ something like 10 years ago, but I think they're going to get my business back because I'm not paying a premium for a hotplate running the zillionth tweaked version of an architecture we've had for the better part of a decade.*
No computers come with only 32gb of storage. Windows wouldn't even fit.
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The peak power generation is reduced but the mode remains the same when you turn off the hyperthreading. It all improves further if you remove the hyperthreading logic altogether. This helps improve margins for silicon lifetime. Your Apple ][ might work well after 35 years, but running a current gen 14nm at full load is warranteed for 10 years. Reducing the peak load extends the worst case, full load lifetime.
This is not simple engineering. There are many factors that go into identifying the distribution of lifetime of a circuit and it's done for every circuit.
TL;DR - These non-hyperthreading parts are more reliable than their hyperthreading brethren, when driven hard.
Man, like many slashdotters, I used to be firmly AMD prior to the Core-series of processors. Since then, my last 3 desktops since ~2007 have been Intel.
. The fact is that at this moment, the single thread performance of Intel's chips, and their performance per-core is unmatched. If you're doing anything with multimedia, such as x265 encoding, video editing, whatever, Intel is still the best.
But the fact is that AMD is coming with more cores, and higher clocks, and lower cost. And they are rapidly reaching the tipping point where 24 of their cores for $500 bucks make a lot more sense than 6 of Intel's for $500 bucks.
All I am seeing from Intel's 9th generation is an upward-rebrand of all their parts, eliminating the Celeron. And, a continued artificial scarcity of cores and PCI bandwidth to push customers up into the Xeon lines...
, this coming from a company that apparently can't get to 10nm until next year, and is facing major supply issues....
Well, all these things do not bode well for Intel.
Your gut is wrong and no doubt influenced by marketing and shilling from Intel.
You can buy a Meltdown invulnerable CPU from AMD *today*. These new CPUs from Intel are still vulnerable and it will be years before they sell one that isn't.
Go AMD.
that show Ryzen doing better than Intel in modern games due to the better multi-core. Intel will crank out higher avg FPS but has much, much worse 1% lows. If you're already hitting 120+ FPS then for a lot of games the Ryzen's a better experience, especially a Ryzen 2. Right now a passmark single-thread score of 2100 seems to be the sweet spot for everything except Total Warhammer & Ashes of the Singularity.
Now, if price isn't an object then you just go with Intel's $1000 or $2000 part and get the best of both worlds, but if you're on any kind of budget whatsoever Ryzen's probably the way to go. But you're right about "Know your workload". That changes if you're a heavy strat gamer.
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All my Win7 VMs run nicely in 20GB. The trick is getting rid of the WinSxs folder garbage.
More to the point, which current offering is the i7 2600K of years past (not too expensive and overclocks like crazy?)
Amusingly enough, it's probably the 2nd-gen Ryzen5 2600X.
Happily until you try to do one of the major feature upgrades... Then there's not enough space to apply update and you have to install from scratch.
Lots of cheap machines come with only 32 GB of storage because they get cheaper Windows licenses this way.
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he's building a gaming pc.. he's not running banking transactions on it. What matters is raw performance.
and no doubt influenced by marketing and shilling from Intel.
My gut also says to avoid AMD. Not because of anything Intel has said, but because of years of being burned by ATI.
Don't get me wrong, I know it is not a rational hatred at this point. But it will take a lot to ever get me to consider AMD again. And no, these vulnerabilities from Intel are not enough, because it seems to me that if you aren't running random code that you found somewhere online, then there is nothing to be worried about from them.
That doesn't make him wrong.
Let's agree on:
1. They ALL suck.
2. Some suck more than others.
3. Intel have been consistently evil bastards in the last decades.
4. Evil bastards suck more than plain old assholes.
QED
No ECC /w only 16 lanes = No sale
Your “curly apostrophe” is the correct apostrophe, and the “ ' ” is merely a substitute character for the limited abilities of keyboard layouts of the ’90s. The 1890s, to be exact
Thankfully, there are vastly better keyboard layouts nowadays.
I would say, “The ’90s called”, but that meme was already outdated in the ‘90s. :)
I'm not hearing about all those Unicode hacks that you suggest should be happening everywhere.
Unicode is extremely simple to deal with. The UTF-8 encoding system is beautifully simple and elegant.
And if it's decoded into 32-bit Integers, then all you have to do, is say which ranges you allow. Since it's separated into planes and then into blocks, and on top, all code points are associated to certain character classes, it’s just a matter of allowing all the classes and blocks you deem OK. Usually, it’s enough to filter the "magical characters" character class(es). (Although they only ruin things if you are a shitty CSS coder, and can't use the overflow property properly, nor separate the style contexts.)
Every other site on the net can do this. Don't you think that if Reddit had problems with it, there would be hacks all over the place, ruining the layout?
My hypothesis is, that it's because Slashdot has been dead a loong time now, and nobody wants to touch the write-only Perl spaghetti script code that is SlashCode.
What am I missing here that's new? Hyper-threading... 18 cores/36 threads... what are they releasing that's they don't already have on the market?
I just built a ryzen 2600/vega 64 system. There's literally nothing wrong with it. It never crashes. the CPU gets 1300 cinebench, and games better than my i5 haswell did(ryzen has faster single-thread than the i5 too). the vega is rock solid and trades blows with a GTX1080/RTX2070. Witcher 3 runs fluid smooth at 4k max settings. I mostly game at 1440p though so this should last me the next 5-6 years. You may have PTSD from ATI, but AMD has been good for GPU's since the 290x, and good for CPU's since ryzen.
Anyone making emotional decisions when buying computer hardware will probably wind up being disappointed. Explaining to people today why they should chose AMD when they reference "being burned by ATI" is probably a wasted effort. Since you know, ATI hasn't existed in about a decade as an independent company.
AMD is a proven viable option on at least the CPU front (and really not that bad on the dGPU front, if you can find a decent deal on RX Vega 64). Anyone who doesn't know that today has their head in the sand.
No computers should come with 32Gb of storage, but low end laptops frequently have SSD drives with that amount of storage. And yes, updating Windows is extremely painful on such systems.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Go AMD.
Meltdown and Spectre are completely irrelevant to 99.9% of computer users out there in scope and risk they present to users.
Go AMD anyway because of awesome price performance ratio.
No computers come with only 32gb of storage. Windows wouldn't even fit.
Windows 10 has a minimum storage requirement of 16GB. Bonus points if you use that machine there's not enough free space to download windows updates.
Plenty of devices out there come with 32GB of storage.
A current model CPU games better than a 5 year old competitor. Well that's a glowing endorsement...
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
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Like computer games? Get the best Intel CPU when building a new PC.
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It kind of overclocks itself in fact (not much worth messing with it yourself). It's not too different with the Intels that run at some 4.x GHz already, like the 4790K and i7 7700K. and now the 8700K, 9700K, 9900K. You can mess with settings to gain some +5% performance or something but not something like +30%. Or use faster memory which is attained by.. buying faster memory.
If you really want to mess about you'll need to get the Ryzen 2600 not 2600X but then you'll about match a 2600X.
LOL :-)
Intel is still the single thread champ.
Before Meltdown, maybe. Today, Intel owners need to decide whether to lag behind AMD also in single core performance, or leave the machine wide open to attack.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
he's building a gaming pc.. he's not running banking transactions on it
Is he ok with sharing all his passwords with any random driveby hacker? Because his Intel gaming PC is wide open to exploit even by Javascript on a web page. Or in case that isn't clear:, you own Intel, you surf, you lose.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Am3+ FX CPUs are beyond decent and an 8 core is going for $69 right now. Most people, including us, wouldn't notice the difference between an FX and a Ryzen.
So you don't run a script-blocker.
Horseshit; you'll always see greater FPS by going AMD and spending the savings on a better vidcard.
I don't know about "lots". Low-end laptops still ship with 5400RPM hard drives. As you move up eventually you start seeing the models with 256 GB SSDs. The big exception for this seems to be Apple (lol), where most of their models start with a meager 128 GB, and yes you pay dearly for this. The other exception are some of the tablets-with-keyboards, probably because they don't want to cram a hard drive in there but still want to keep the cost down.