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Salmon Farmers Are Scanning Fish Faces To Fight Killer Lice (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Millions of Atlantic salmon could have their faces stored in digital databases to track their health and single out those posing threats to their marine surroundings. And before you ask if fish have faces, they do: A company in Norway has developed a 3D scanner that can tell salmon apart based on the distinct pattern of spots around their eyes, mouth and gills. Fish-farming giant Cermaq Group AS wants to roll out the technology at salmon pens along Norway's fjord-etched coastline, betting it can prevent the spread of epidemics like sea lice that infect hundreds of millions of farmed fish and cost the global industry upwards of $1 billion each year.

Cargill wants to apply facial recognition to aqua farms, and Cermaq, operator of over 200 salmon and trout farms in Norway, Canada and Chile, is already doing tests on the iFarm design with its Norwegian technology partner BioSort AS. It'll look a lot like existing fish farms, with networks of 160-meter (525-foot) circular nets that are typically 35 meters deep and home to up to 200,000 salmon. The difference is that iFarms would be equipped with camera scanners at the water surface. On any given day, about 40,000 salmon in each pen will rise to above water for a gulp of air, something their bladders need to regulate buoyancy. Each time a salmon does this, typically every four days, it would go through a funnel fitted with sensors that would screen its face and body so records can be kept on each fish. If the machines pick up on abnormalities like lice or skin ulcers, the infected fish can be quarantined for medical treatment.

106 comments

  1. There's something fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    about this article.

    1. Re: There's something fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it works on fish then maybe it can work on humans?

      Maybe this is a social experiment ....

    2. Re:There's something fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. The tipoff is that the guy's name is Cargill.

    3. Re:There's something fishy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, why are they scanning my wife!

  2. item to add by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Ah, an item to add to the list of things that I'd just as soon not know existed ... "sea lice". (shudder)

    1. Re:item to add by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      We have them around here. Really they are just jellyfish larvae.

    2. Re:item to add by forkfail · · Score: 1

      So, I supposes you probably don't want to know about Tidal Ticks, Blue Water Bed Bugs, or Saltwater Roaches?

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    3. Re:item to add by pjt33 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The salmon louse is a crustacean, a member of the phylum Arthropoda. Jellyfish are members of the phylum Cnidaria.

    4. Re:item to add by gnick · · Score: 2

      You took him to school. No, that's a terrible pun, I cod do better. Gimme a minute to mullet over.

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    5. Re:item to add by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      How about the human eyelash louse? Around 30% of the people you know are infested. So are around 30% of the people you don't know.

      I don't know if they're contagious. I guess they are, to an extent.

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    6. Re: item to add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a mite (Demodex), not a louse.

    7. Re: item to add by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You're right ; sorry. The rest of my point stands though.

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    8. Re: item to add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are all infested with mites. We actually need them to live.

  3. Yeah right by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Troll

    Millions of Atlantic salmon could have their faces stored in digital databases to track their health and single out those posing threats to their marine surroundings.

    That's what they say but this is obviously an anti-muslim fish ban. Or even worse some kind of fish-racism to keep the fish-line "pure". Where have I heard that before... snort.

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    1. Re:Yeah right by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      Be careful or the fish-supremacists will be out in force spamming the comments here.

    2. Re: Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re soo gonna get schooled buddy

    3. Re:Yeah right by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Get your jellied kidney and pork bellies out of my fish farm, you're worse than sea lice!

  4. here fishy fishy fishy by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    You can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish.

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    1. Re: here fishy fishy fishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could eat tuna fish though. But the question would be âoewhy?â

    2. Re:here fishy fishy fishy by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It would seem to be true with all those salmon in the way, but if you don't catch anything, aren't you still fishing?

  5. medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the infected fish can be quarantined for medical treatment.

    Don't they mean 'disposed of' ?

    1. Re:medical treatment? by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      Fish can be medically treated. Not sure about salmon. Tropical fish can be treated for some ailments by turning up the heater a bit and adding some aquarium salt. Medicine is available for treating ick and other parasites.

    2. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What good, exactly, could come from mass medication, even targetted like this?

      The summary itself states hundreds of millions of these meat units are dying from these parasites. Do we really want to breed super-sea-lice (which are NOT jellyfish larvae as some other posters have suggested)?

      Surely weâ(TM)re learning from the overuse of antibiotics leading to such fun ailments like MRSA?

    3. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like creimer is doing a good job at ignoring you and breaking out from his -1 karma jail. You might have better luck trolling APK.

    4. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, yeah, Chris we already know about this opinion of yours, you posted it one thousand times all over the Internet. You definitely need to get that problem of yours cured or, at least, under control.

      Cheers buddy!

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    5. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heu Chris, aren't you aware of the new strategy???

      Amazing strategy man! Once everybody in the world knows creimer and he becomes public knowledge, he will have even less chances to catch lost users in his schemes.

      So screw the moddowning campaigns and just expose him as he is!

      Great!

      Indeed, indeed, below is one of the greatest creimer's post:
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      further references:
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    6. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever stop to think why you are in a karma jail?

      Creimer had served his time, repaid his debt to society and is making positivie contribution. Meanwhile, you and your other sock pocket accounts are in karma jail. Fucking ironic, isn't it?

    7. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your final destination is Gitmo creimer!

      Christopher Dale Reimer (aka creimer, The Original CDR, etc.) has been identified by JSOC as a Russian troll.

      The Reimer family is typically from the Eastern part of Germany and it has been found that Chris have maintained contacts with homeland influencial people.

      I would like to point out that East Germany was communist and controlled by Russia (CCCP) before Ronald Reagan took USSR apart.

    8. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was one of the people who put you in karma jail.
      You're still acting like an asshole and you're still promoting your channel here and you're still posting irrelevant tidbits in order to chime in.
      When you regaled us with your lotto adventures was there some part of your brain that wondered if anyone would find use with your post? No!

      It was just the first thing that came into your mind so you'd have a post available for people to potentially mod up. The reason you should only be allowed two posts a day at positive karma is simple:

      You need to stop and think about the value of your post vs the value of saying nothing.

    9. Re:medical treatment? by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      still promoting your channel

      I'm promoting the fact that the Social Blade profile my YouTube channel is trending. Why is it trending?

      This Social Blade profile is visited by a moderate amount of users!

      Who promotes my Social Blade profile more than I do? Slashdot pastebin addicts!

      You need to stop and think about the value of your post vs the value of saying nothing.

      I only do that on Reddit. ;)

    10. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too bad you focus such tremendous amounts of energy on such stupid pursuits instead of your certifications, for example.

    11. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " the Social Blade profile my YouTube channel"

      The sentence missing something.

    12. Re:medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No such thing as pastebinning Chris

    13. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I had no idea what social blade was because Iâ(TM)m not a teenager so really who gives a fuck about that kind of stuff. I saw the estimate that you earned $.75-$12 per hour last month - pretty impressive!

      True itâ(TM)s basically no money, but perhaps youâ(TM)re having some kind of fun uploading audio from fan conventions? Is that like an autism thing?

    14. Re: medical treatment? by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      Wow, I had no idea what social blade was because Iâ(TM)m not a teenager so really who gives a fuck about that kind of stuff.

      I very much doubt that the kiddies who follow Jake and Logan Paul know what Social Blade is. The people who find Social Blade useful are critics.

      I saw the estimate that you earned $.75-$12 per hour last month - pretty impressive!

      No it isn't. The majority of YouTubers no longer qualify for ad revenues under the new requirements (1K+ subscribers and 4K watch time in 12 months). Social Blade's estimates are nortiously inaccurate.

      True itâ(TM)s basically no money, but perhaps youâ(TM)re having some kind of fun uploading audio from fan conventions? Is that like an autism thing?

      Silicon Valley Comic Con 2018 banned video recording. So I recorded audio instead. Recording video can be a PITA. For people who want information, audio works just as well as video.

    15. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nortiously

      Anyone else see "nortiously" and read that as nauseously and do a double take?

      CROFL!! CROFLOL!!!

    16. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing the point - you're not making money, and releasing audio recordings can't be an enjoyable activity. So why bother putting so much effort into it?

      A 50 year old man with no retirement savings and an inherently unstable career surely has better things to do with his time?

    17. Re: medical treatment? by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      You're missing the point - you're not making money, and releasing audio recordings can't be an enjoyable activity. So why bother putting so much effort into it?

      I love comic cons and attending panels. I went to Silicon Valley Comic Con, WorldCon 76, ToyXpo 2018. I'm going to Heroes & Villains 2018 in December. I'm planning to go to SpaceFest 2019 in Arizona for the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 and my 50th birthday. After I established my audience on YouTube, I will qualify for media passes to these events.

      A 50 year old man with no retirement savings

      That statement has two lies. I'll let you figure out which is which.

      an inherently unstable career

      I'm 4.5 years into a five-year contract and the five-year extension is on deck. As the recruiter told me when I accepted the job, government IT is a life long commitment.

      surely has better things to do with his time?

      I'm doing what I enjoy doing. You don't make 70 videos in ten months unless you enjoy writing scripts, putting yourself out there and putting up with bullshit trolls.

    18. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A 50 year old man with no retirement savings

      That statement has two lies. I'll let you figure out which is which."

      Uh, "man" and "savings"?

    19. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be correct. Apparently, creimer had a sex change but the OP didn't specify from which gender to which gender.

      His tits are more obvious in the first picture so I am all puzzled...

      Creimy's real pictures:
      Before the sex change:
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      After the sex change:
      https://ibb.co/gVad65

    20. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " putting up with bullshit trolls."

      They enjoy doing what they're doing!

    21. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude! I didn't believe the post quoted below was true but after seeing his pictures, it's probably true!

      Put creimer in Gitmo please!

      Christopher Dale Reimer (aka creimer, The Original CDR, etc.) has been identified by JSOC as a Russian troll.

      The Reimer family is typically from the Eastern part of Germany and it has been found that Chris have maintained contacts with homeland influencial people.

      I would like to point out that East Germany was communist and controlled by Russia (CCCP) before Ronald Reagan took USSR apart.

    22. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be interested in the following, from https://heroesfanfest.com/pres...

      Press credentials will not be approved if you are:
      Bloggers and/or Podcasters with limited distribution

      So sure,enjoy your sci-fi conventions. But if the reason you spend large amounts of time spamming Slashdot and keeping up a youtube channel nobody cares about is to get a media pass; it isn't going to happen. Just spend $50-$100, or whatever it is, and get a normal ticket. You're spending so much time to save so little money.

      That statement has two lies. I'll let you figure out which is which.
      Sorry, 49 and perhaps you've saved a couple months' worth of salary (although you run credit card debt).

      In reality, you have no hope of paying for retirement. You can only hope the government doesn't let you go for the rest of your life, even though they aren't even willing to properly hire you in the first place. Even if they extend your contract twice, which surely is less than a certain thing, you will be sleeping on the street if they don't extend you past that.

      Considering that IT is fundamentally in a state of flux, banking your life on having constant contract extensions of your temp job all the way until you die is incredibly stupid.

    23. Re: medical treatment? by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      Actually, you need 50,000+ monthly views on one social media platform platform, say, YouTube, and 1,000+ subscribers on at least one other social media platform, say, Twitter, for Silicon Valley Comic Con, which incidentally has 70K in attendees over three days. Heroes & Villains San Jose has 16K attendees over two days.

      Keep in mind that it takes five years to build an audience on YouTube. I just got started ten months ago. I'll have my 100th video done in two months to celebrate my one-year anniversary. Everyone knows that the first 100 videos sucks donkey balls.

      As for my government IT job, several of my co-workers are on their fourth or fifth five-year contract. My management team are in their 60's and 70's. Yes, IT is in a flux. That's why I enjoy the work. Every day is different. I've done it for 20 years, I can do it for another 20 years.

    24. Re: medical treatment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think your temp job will last 30+ years?

  6. Outrageous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here comes PETA demanding Salmon rights.

  7. A win for sustainability by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Fish farming is not only more sustainable than hunting at sea, but in the long run tech like this makes farmed fish safer fish.

    1. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When these 'farms' accidentally release stock into the surrounding waters, it's a catastrophe for the native ecosystem. We should only allow fish farming inland in manmade water bodies.

    2. Re:A win for sustainability by PPH · · Score: 2

      When these 'farms' accidentally release stock into the surrounding waters, it's a catastrophe for the native ecosystem

      We'll see. This very thing happened recently in the Puget Sound.

      Some claim that the non-native Atlantic salmon will just die off, as they have no home spawning ground to return to. On the other hand, they might just return to any old convenient river to spawn, competing with the native species and also laying waste to environmentalists claims that all salmon habitat is precious and must be protected. The experiment is underway and time will tell.

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    3. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fish farming produces fish illnesses that affect and kill not only the farmed fish, but the wild fish as well. Fish farming should not be done at the scale it is done now.

    4. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, asstard, we should just decimate wild fish stocks, as that would be better. People need to eat, and we're not going to live on your tofu and quinoa ecological disaster.

    5. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the release of Asian Tiger Shrimp into the Gulf of Mexico after hurricane Katrina. They now are even being found on the East Coast.

    6. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems the real asstard here is you. Is eating all the wild fish really the only other choice to farming fish?

    7. Re:A win for sustainability by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The farmed Atlantic salmon are selectively bred to grow fast. They do this by focusing on eating, and ignoring predators, which are absent in their pens.

      There have been many accidental releases of farmed Atlantic salmon in the Pacific Ocean, and there is no evidence that any of them survived for long.

      Atlantic and Pacific salmon do not interbreed. They are more distantly related than their phenotype suggests. They don't even have the same number of chromosomes.

    8. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct in that Atlantic Salmon are different from Pacific Salmon, but I'd just like to point out there is not one single "Pacific Salmon"...There's Coho, Chinook, Sockeye, Pink, and Chum...All of whom have much different appearances and differing seasons / spawning cycles as well.

    9. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give a man a fish and he has a fish. Hit him on the head with a fish, and he just swims there, in the fishery.

    10. Re:A win for sustainability by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Happened many times by now. No worries, they'll die out.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    11. Re:A win for sustainability by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      There are basically 3 wild atlantic salmon left.

      It's not that bad, but it's pretty much gone.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    12. Re:A win for sustainability by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Shhh, don't tell Scotland.

      Here is a page with a map of current distribution of wild Atlantic Salmon.

      https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov...

      In the US they've been reduced to eight rivers in Maine, but the situation is different in many places.

    13. Re:A win for sustainability by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      When these 'farms' accidentally release stock into the surrounding waters, it's a catastrophe for the native ecosystem. We should only allow fish farming inland in manmade water bodies.

      So says the alarmism lobby, in their standard response to any sort of engineering solution to an environmental problem. We're getting tired of this crap, and it's time to just ignore them so we can go on with life.

      Sainted ultra-green countries like Norway and New Zealand are now in fish farming in a major way. They don't appear to share your panic.

    14. Re:A win for sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and ignoring predators, which are absent in their pens.

      Food for the resident Orcas. Nom, nom, nom.

      If they (the Orcas) are too stupid to take advantage of this, they don't deserve to live.

    15. Re:A win for sustainability by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      How much does wild atlantic salmon cost? They're effectively gone.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    16. Re:A win for sustainability by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You still seem to think that food comes from the store.

      You also seem to think that fish exist only to feed you.

      Don't stop eating earthworms, or they'll all "effectively" be gone.

      What would happen if people stopped eating "short pig?" Would the species be "effectively gone?"

      Your understanding of zoology seems to be limited to, "I can haz cheeseburger?"

    17. Re:A win for sustainability by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I mean "long pig," but I guess it still works with what I wrote.

  8. I don't see it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Face recognition?

    They check for lice and if yes, they retrieve the fish.

    But knowing it was Fishy McFishface27623 who had lice isn't useful as far as I can see from the article.

    1. Re:I don't see it by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      My guess is then they can tell later on if Fishy McFishface27623 was able to be cured of the lice after treatment. Or maybe they use it for identity theft and open up credit cards.

    2. Re:I don't see it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They detect terrorist fish and send it to G.bay

  9. "Quarantined for medical treatement" by gweihir · · Score: 2

    Sounds so nice and friendly and helpful! What utter liar wrote this? Of course, a salmon will just be killed if sick and disposed off.

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    1. Re:"Quarantined for medical treatement" by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      That isn't true. Half of salmon farms have this infestation. They aren't going to throw away their stock. That would be financial disaster. They use chemicals to treat the salmon and sequester them.

    2. Re:"Quarantined for medical treatement" by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      That is very debatable. Not the infestation rates - that's about right. But the use of chemicals to treat the infected fish.

      The problem is that the tanks are open to seawater. They kind-of have to be - to make use of the oxygenation and waste consumption services of large areas of ocean surface and seabed without paying for those services. That's the entire economic basis of fish farming, after all. So, if they treat the fish in the main tank (see footnote), then inevitably some of the treating chemical will escape the tank and go into the wider environment. At a less-than optimal concentration for treatment. When the lice came, as likely as not from that very same environment.

      That sounds to me like a recipe for breeding a resistant strain of sea louse. It also sounds like that to farmers in the same area who use different strains of salmon, or who try to farm different species and who are concerned that a resistant strain could infect their breeding stocks and destroy their businesses. Whoops, time to call in the landsharks! And they're in the game already!

      So, to date the SOP for dealing with an infected fish is to kill it, and then throw it in the "biohazard" waste bin and pay for it's disposal at landfill or incineration. (footnote) Multiple handling of the fish ("sequestering") involves too many man-hours, again destroying the economic basis of the business. Remember - the whole point of this business is to produce greater tonnages of fish more cheaply than finding it on the open sea. So they've got to keep costs down. (Which is also part of the reason for the fear of a more-resistant sea-louse strain.)

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  10. Humans aren't supposed to eat salmon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But let's see how irrational you can be, in order to defend something you've been doing all your life, just because everybody else does it too.
    Humans can't physically swim in the rivers where salmon live and catch them with their bare hands, and then eat their bodies while they are still alive, at least not without appearing to be a psychopath.

    So if nobody else on Earth ate salmon, would you still think that you should eat it?

    1. Re:Humans aren't supposed to eat salmon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans also can't catch a cow with their bare hands (and certainly not eat them still alive). Yet numerous cows are consumed daily. It's called 'using tools' and I can't understand how you typed comments into a computer without knowing this.

  11. BS at its finest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These "lice" are actually micro-organisms wild salmon doesn't care about, 'cause wild salmon has a strategy for dealing with them: living decades below 500 m for example.

  12. 200,000 salmon in ~700,000m3?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That strikes me as awfully small, for an animal that is used to traveling thousands of miles.
    It's basically as if you had to live your whole life in that Japanese apartment, except with a net instead of walls.
    And both all your food and all your shit being dumped in that same large apartment building’s ventilation system and drinking water. (Which is slowly replaced, to be fair.)

    I bet those salmon taste precisely like that. Like rot. With weak mushy high-fat low-protein bodies. And a massive accumulation of all the nasty heavy metals and chemicals and of course antibiotics and tranquilizers your can imagine.

    No thanks.
    I prefer a reduction and population balancing of the otherwise explosive planetary pathogen called humanity.

  13. Actually, it's even worse: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You see a salmon. They see a $100 bill. (Or something like that.)

    Like with cattle and pigs, it will be pumped full of broad-spectrum antibiotics and pain killers and tranquilizers and whatnot ... the cheapest kind, of course.
    Which you then get to eat too, when it is finally killed and disposed off into your mouth, in exchange for your wallet's contents.

    And if it's too sick to be legally sold, it will be ground down, hopefully sterilized, dried, and dumped back in the farm, to "feed" the other salmon. (Remember where mad cow disease came from?)

    Nothing goes to waste. Except every single cent you worked hard for. Hail the almighty profit growth!

    1. Re:Actually, it's even worse: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "mad cow came from human bones" --- maybe maybe . Needs more research.

    2. Re:Actually, it's even worse: by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      hah, modded troll when serious scientists believe it. truth hurts

    3. Re:Actually, it's even worse: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two Indian Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease experts said even if human waste contaminated exported bone meal, the dilution would have been too enormous.

      Looks like the real truth is that you don't have much reading comprehension.

    4. Re:Actually, it's even worse: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't be that chemically ridiculous. If it's anything like a parasite infection in domestic/aquarium fish, you'll probably see a low-dose of copper based meds that'll rinse out long before they'll go to market.

    5. Re:Actually, it's even worse: by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      looks like you don't understand the minimum level of prions required for infection

    6. Re:Actually, it's even worse: by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      and quoting "indian experts", you're really funny. the land of the diploma mill produces white paper spewing ignoramuses

  14. Hypothetically. Not actually. Sorry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In theory, maybe.

    In reality, the entire food chain below farmed fisk is usually not farmed at all, but caught in the wild, taking the food of their wild cousins, and they die anyway.
    Because some lifeform in that food chain is usually not farmable yet.

    If the whole chain *and* the whole waste chain would be in a balanced closed loop, then yes, it would be sustainable. Otherwise, it's just a feel-good delusion that's even worse, just like having a false sense of security from bad/fake security solutions.

    The question is, if the ecosystems will care if it's the thought that counts, if they are extinct before we actually get there.

  15. Fish Finder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hey Bob! There's a fish in pen six that has face lice! He's in there with 39,999 of his brothers and sisters. His face looks like this. Good luck!"

    1. Re: Fish Finder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They mention some kind of a funnel through which the fish goes so that have recognition can be performed. Maybe that funnel can be closed upon detection, isolating either the specific fish or a small number of fish.

    2. Re:Fish Finder by slacktide · · Score: 1

      FYI, having caught many hundreds of salmon... They are butthole lice, not face lice.

  16. Hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Faroe Islands, salmon farmers use fish lice eating fish, low tech, medicine free fish farming

  17. Sigh, Americans.... by magarity · · Score: 1

    And before you ask if fish have faces, they do:

    If you've ever been to an authentic Chinese restaurant you'd already know this. Of course, most Americans think fish are only fillets or breaded sticks.

    1. Re:Sigh, Americans.... by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      I know because I've seen Finding Nemo.

    2. Re:Sigh, Americans.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh...misplaced condescension. According to the US Forest Service hunting and fishing are pastimes of around 82 million Americans. I dare say that these folk not only know their food has a face, but they also know how to gut and clean their catch. You know, that process that happens before the authentic Chinese restaurant puts the nice, clean fish down in front of your entitled self.

      I don't contend that 82 million is the majority of the country, but I think it's safe to say that when a quarter of the nation enjoys hunting and fishing, well over half of the population is bound to have had some experience with a freshly caught fish.

  18. fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the infected fish can be INCINERATED.

    FTFY.

  19. The Elephant in the Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Elephant in the Room is that we need to farm fish at all.

    For all the crying and screaming about global warming, it isn't global warming that is going to kill us. What's going to kill us is that we are squeezing every last drop of natural resources from our planet just to keep 8 BILLION people alive, and the Earth just cannot handle that.

    Global warming is just a red herring the elite have cooked up to keep everyone ignorant of the truth: that the Earth cannot sustain current population levels.

    Nobody alive today wants to be the one to enforce a breeding ban, but it needs to happen. The world needs to be "one child per couple" for at least 3 or 4 generations to reduce populations to sustainable levels. two or three halvings of the population still leaves an overpopulated world, but it's a step in the right direction and would certainly leave the Earth with some room to breathe.

    Reasonably conducted science concludes that the Earth can support a population of about 1 Billion people sustainably - and that means without the use of artificial techniques to increase the supply of food, water, and other natural resources. And, in my research, I would actually put that number quite a bit lower, perhaps 600-700 million people globally.

    We need population control, not CO2 control, or CH4 control, or meat control, or forced veganism, or any of that mess. Just make fewer babies.

    1. Re:The Elephant in the Room by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Global warming is just a red herring ...

      I see what you did there.

      Just make fewer babies.

      Meh. I'd rather eat tofu.

  20. Have you been watching the price of salmon? by Solandri · · Score: 2

    A few years ago, farmed salmon was about $5/lb, while wild-caught salmon was around $10/lb. Last year, the price of farmed salmon started rising precipitously. By the end of the year it was all the way up to $9/lb. I did a little research into why, and it's because of disease and parasite problems they're having in salmon farms killing off a lot of their fish.

    The difference is a catfish or trout farm is entirely landlocked. They dig a bunch of trenches on land, fill them with water, and raise the fish in there. The waste products and any disease or parasitical infections are contained within the singular trench.

    Salmon farms OTOH are mostly just nets in open water, typically at the mouths of fjords and rivers. The waste products (which include antibiotics) and any disease or parasitical infections are free to spread into the water and to other fish, including wild salmon going down the river to reach the ocean. Basically, salmon farms have externalized some of the clean-up costs associated with landlocked fish farming, by having their farms open to the water to wash the waste products out to sea. To the detriment of wild fish which happen to pass nearby.

    Salmon is a fish I definitely recommend you buy wild-caught (preferably hook-and-line) rather than farmed. Especially now that the price of wild-caught is just a little bit more than farmed. Most wild salmon come from Alaska or the Pacific Northwest, which are both extremely well regulated. Or buy farmed rainbow trout/steelhead instead. It's the same thing. Rainbow trout were originally classified as trout based on geography. But in the 1980s DNA tests showed they were more closely related to the Pacific salmons. They were subsequently moved from the genus Salmo (which includes trout and Atlantic Salmon) to Oncorhynchus (the Pacific Salmons). So for North Americans, rainbow trout (a steelhead is an ocean-going rainbow trout) is more of a salmon than farmed Atlantic salmon, they just retain the trout name for historical reasons. And the orange/pink color of farmed salmon is artificial anyway. Wild salmon get the orange/pink color from the shrimp they eat, same as flamingos. Farmed salmon have the chemical added to their feed. It doesn't affect the flavor, so grey farmed trout is the same thing.

    1. Re:Have you been watching the price of salmon? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wild-caught trout in cold mountain rivers often have pink flesh though. It seems to be the natural color of the meat when the fish get a high quality varied diet, and the grey color is only from commercially farmed fish. "For whatever reason."

  21. hmmm, is ths fish face healthy or not? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1
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    Anonymous comments are as pathetic as the anonymous "sources" that contaminate gutless journalism from the New York Time
  22. Lice laser death ray. by godel_56 · · Score: 1

    Never mind scanning the fishes' faces, just burn the parasites off with a laser, as shown below.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/optoelectronics/licehunting-underwater-drone-protects-salmon-with-lasers

  23. Density by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    A cylinder with a diameter of 160m and 35m depth for 200k salmon? If I could correctly, that leaves 80 liters of water per fish, and those are big fishes. It sounds insane.

  24. No privacy for the fishes too! by antdude · · Score: 1

    Poor fishes. :(

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    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  25. "Lowballing" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >I'm 4.5 years into a five-year contract and the five-year extension is on deck. As the recruiter told me when I accepted the job, government IT is a life long commitment.
    If I was a recruiter who found some idiot who was willing to work for about half the prevailing wage I'd tell them shit to keep them at that job forever too. Do you know that if you make 50k that means they're paying the temp agency like 100k? They're "lowballing" one of your favorite words!!!
    Most places would have been happy to pay you 70k and only keep 80k for themselves if you'd simply demanded it. Instead of arguing for a better quality of life you argue with people who actually enjoy fucking with you on the internet.

    Your own worst enemy.