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More Than One Third of Music Consumers Still Pirate Music (theguardian.com)

More than one-third of global music listeners are still pirating music, according to a new report by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI). From a report: While the massive rise in legal streaming platforms such as Spotify, Apple Music and Tidal was thought to have stemmed illegal consumption, 38% of listeners continue to acquire music through illegal means. The most popular form of copyright infringement is stream-ripping (32%): using easily available software to record the audio from sites like YouTube at a low-quality bit rate. Downloads through "cyberlocker" file hosting services or P2P software like BitTorrent came second (23%), with acquisition via search engines in third place (17%).

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  1. Does someone still believe their research? by NuclearCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because it is extremely beneficial for them to put the situation in such a way , so it is easier to introduce new taxes, new draconian measures to restrict the rights to backup copies, to limit the ways of reproduction and etc.
    Their greed has no limits

    1. Re:Does someone still believe their research? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Beat me to it. I was just about to post "Sounds like Made-up Statistics". I used to download music from piratebay, but not anymore. I get a ton of song in my Amazon Prime account, and if the song is not there, it's available from Youtube or Vimeo or some other legitimate source.

      > The most popular form of copyright infringement is stream-ripping (32%)... from sites like YouTube at a low-quality bit rate.

      So basically the modern version of Cassette-recording off the radio. Even if the stream-ripping was blocked, these people have NO intention of buying the music legally. Claiming these customers as "lost sales" is ridiculous. (Especially since many of them are children or teens with no money.)

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    2. Re: Does someone still believe their research? by Thundercat007 · · Score: 3

      That's what I always laughed at with these industry people, claiming it's lost revenue. Especially with now crappy music/movies are now adays, it's a gamble if it's going to be worth buying. Newest movie on BluRay runs about $30 (Canadian) that's a bit gamble on a movie. Or $25 for a non pop star cd (again, gamble if it's a worthy cd). I've personally bought movies I've watched 100 times, because I've watched them 100 times. Same with cds I've listened to 100 times. If it came down to having to buy a movie @30 or cd @25 to see if I'll like it, I wouldn't buy it, I'd wait until a buddy had it, and borrow it. If I think it would join the 100 club then buy it. The time of quality things being produced, is gone.

    3. Re:Does someone still believe their research? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      What's funny is the number of musicians over the years who got their start by trading casettes/samples/remixes. So on one hand, there's a little bit of *POTENTIALLY* lost revenue from that piracy, but it's absolutely dwarfed by the infusion of new blood into the industry that only exists because of the eeeebil piracy.

      Same thing with FOSS; by allowing people to enhance and extend existing stuff, or pivot off of ideas found elsewhere, the industry and society at large are enriched.

    4. Re:Does someone still believe their research? by fred6666 · · Score: 2

      The way I understand TFS, if you pay for Deezer, Spotify and Google Play Music and buy dozens of CDs each year, but ripped a single MP3 from Youtube, you are part of the 38% of pirates.

      Also, does it makes you a pirate if you listen to a Youtube music video with your monitor off? If you use an ad-blocker?

    5. Re:Does someone still believe their research? by Kiralan · · Score: 2

      And how, exactly, do they come up with 'stream-ripping YouTube' as most pppular? Do they have a magic way to tell you are streaming it to a file, rather than just listening to it?

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    6. Re:Does someone still believe their research? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      Wow you had a generous upbringing. My parents always said "no" to me. Basically I got 2 CDs a year: 1 from my parents; 1 from my brother. The end.

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  2. In other news by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    only 1/3 of music consumers still pirate music. Also, no $h!t Sherlock. Broke kids are always going to pirate. Let them. It gets them in the habit of listening to music when they're young. Without piracy they're going to grow up without it and not care when they're old enough to pay. That's how Metallica got their start; pirated mix tapes. Without them they'd be working at 7-11.

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    1. Re:In other news by commodore64_love · · Score: 3

      Also: A lot of people will buy "Greatest Hits" compilations of music they heard when they were children and teens.... mainly for nostalgia (or because they think current music sucks). IOW the record companies lose money today on pirating kids, but they make it up later, when they sell these adults old hits from 20-30 years ago.

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    2. Re:In other news by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

      Totally true. I'm 65 now and when I recall taping music from the radio... onto reel-to-reel tape originally and then onto cassettes once they appeared. Hell, the music industry survived that "piracy" so I'm sure they'll survive a little stream-ripping.

    3. Re:In other news by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      I just looked-up Tiffany. She actually had four top 10 hits. Two were remakes, and two were originals, though none of them were written by her. (In contrast Debbie Gibson was discovered at a mall, singing self-written songs.)

      I don't think I would go see any of those groups. I liked NKOTB, Naughty by Nature, etc when I was a teen, but the music has not aged well. (And neither have they.)

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  3. Duh by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course we do.

    I pay $10/month for a service, and side-load what's unavailable.

    Some of the side-loaded stuff isn't available anyway.

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  4. Re:Why so low? by Comboman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or new music is crap and I already ripped/pirated everything I'll ever want to listen to decades ago.

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  5. Re:Why so low? by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I generally don't bother to pirate most media anymore. I'm perfectly fine with paying for it, especially if I get a DRM-free digital copy or I get access to a streaming service that doesn't include any commercials. If you make it easy for consumers to pay for what they want (i.e. don't insist on bundling content with things I don't want) most people are more than willing to pay.

    As you get older, your time becomes more valuable and you have a higher income. Paying $5 on Amazon or Apple, or $10 a month for Netflix is ultimately less expensive than trying to a functional pirated stream somewhere else online or dredging through seedy websites to find warez that isn't a malware-infested mess.

  6. Re:Why so low? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    Or new music is crap and I already ripped/pirated everything I'll ever want to listen to decades ago.

    There is great music still being made. I find new good stuff all the time, it just takes some work. IMO, the de-valuation of recorded music due to piracy and streaming has forced bands to make money the old fashioned way ... live performances. There are some really talented musicians out there honing their craft and putting on great shows while cranking out great recordings.

  7. The biggest pirate of all is the Music industry by commodore64_love · · Score: 3

    Please take a moment to read this old article: "The plaintiffs (musicians) claimed compensation for use of work listed on what are known in the Canadian recording industry as pending lists. These lists, accumulated over many years, contain works for which no licence was obtained and no compensation paid........ the action could have been worth up to $6-billion."

    In other words the music industry owed 6 billion dollars to musicians for non-payment of songs they used w/o compensation. - LINK https://business.financialpost... And the followup: The record industry only paid 50 million of the 6000 million owed to artists: https://entertainment.slashdot...

    - The Music Industry wants to scold us commoners, and yet THEY are far worse at screwing the musicians than we are.

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  8. Moving the bar by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What kind of fools do they think we are? We've been taping stuff off of the radio since before I was born in the 70s. Now we listen to music through YouTube and "tape" off of that instead. Only in the mind of an IP lawyer is there some kind of moral distinction here. I'll do this until it is technically infeasible to do so, and I'll sleep just fine at night.

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  9. Yet they still make money hand over fist by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    They're not in the least hurting for money but of course they have to have all the money. Then when they have everything so locked-down and monopolized they'll just raise the prices on everything, or worse: they'll try to convince everyone that paying every month forever for 'streaming' is somehow better. Yeah well fuck them no wonder people still pirate music.

  10. Re:Why so low? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

    > but still plug their holy ears should any not-properly-purchased music hit their virgin eardrums?

    Your comment reminded me: I get into Las Vegas nightclubs for free, and hear the current hit music for free, since I don't spend any money. Would the music executives/producers consider this a form of piracy too? (I bet the greedy bastards do.)

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  11. People pay for music? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    Pay for music? WTF?

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  12. Re:youtube by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

    There are plugins for Firefox and Chrome where you just tap "download" and it rips an MP3 to your phone. Then you tap "play random" and you have a couple 100 songs on rotation.

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  13. Re:youtube by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

    Keeping a copy locally though ensures it is available for your listening pleasure after it does suddenly vanish from YouTube.

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  14. Piracy by darkain · · Score: 4, Informative

    Piracy is easier than dealing with DRM. End of story.

  15. Re: Why so low? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

    Who is Tyler's dad?

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