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The Magic Leap Con (gizmodo.com)

Reader merbs shares a report about Magic Leap, a US-based startup valued at north of $6 billion and which counts Google, Alibaba, Warner Bros, AT&T, and several top Silicon Valley venture capital firms as its investors. The company, which held its first developer conference this week, announced that it is making its $2,295 AR headset available in more states in the United States. Journalist Brian Merchant attended the conference and shares the other part of the story. From a story: After spending two days at LEAPcon, I feel it is my duty -- in the name of instilling a modicum of sanity into an age where a company that has never actually sold a product to a consumer can be worth a billion dollars more than the entire GDP of Fiji -- to inform you that it is not. Magic Leap clearly wants its public launch to appear huge -- who wouldn't? In decidedly Magic Leapian fashion, the company covered an entire side of LA Mart, the 12-story building in downtown Los Angeles where the conference was to be held, with a psychedelic image of an astronaut and the tagline 'Free Your Mind'. In similarly Leapian fashion, the actual demos and keynote took place in the basement, where a wrong turn could land you in shipping and receiving and cell reception was nil.

[...] You know that weird sensation when it feels like everyone around you is participating in some mild mass hallucination, and you missed the dosing? The old 'what am I possibly missing here' phenomenon? That's how I felt at LEAP a lot of the time, amidst crowds of people dropping buzzwords and acronym soup at light speed, and then again while I was reading reviews of the device afterwards -- somehow, despite years of failing to deliver anything of substance, lots of the press is still in Leap's thrall. Demo after demo, I felt like, sure, that was kind of neat. The games were charming, if often glitchy and simplistic, and yes, it might be helpful for architects to be able to blow up and walk around their designs. I liked the developers, who were smart and funny. Some of the graphics and interactions were very nicely rendered. But there wasn't anything -- besides a single demo, which I'll get to in a second -- that I'd feel compelled to ever do again. It felt genuinely crazy to me that people could get too excited about this, especially after years of decent VR and the Hololens, without having a distinct monetary incentive to do so.

As many have noted, the hardware is still extremely limiting. The technology underpinning these experiences seems genuinely advanced, and if it were not for a multi-year blitzkrieg marketing campaign insisting a reality where pixels blend seamlessly with IRL physics was imminent, it might have felt truly impressive. (Whether or not it's advanced enough to eventually give rise to Leap's prior promises is an entirely open question at this point.) For now, the field of vision is fairly small and unwieldy, so images are constantly vanishing from view as you look around. If you get too close to them, objects will get chopped up or move awkwardly. And if you do get a good view, some objects appear low res and transparent; some looked like cheap holograms from an old sci-fi film. Text was bleary and often doubled up in layers that made it hard to read, and white screens looked harsh -- I loaded Google on the Helio browser and immediately had to shut my eyes.
Further reading: Magic Leap is Pushing To Land a Contract With US Army To Build AR Devices For Soldiers To Use On Combat Missions, Documents Reveal.

173 comments

  1. Well of course by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In today's times, hard work is replaced by fast talk. Valid for most new products, TBH.
    Magic Leap isn't magic, or leap.

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    1. Re: Well of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today?? Have you heard of the term "snake oil"??

    2. Re:Well of course by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      I have a magic leap set. Merchant is off here. The magic leap technology does need more polish to go mainstream. In fact I'd estimate about five years but to suggest it isn't amazing is way off base.

      Was it over-hyped vs where it is at? Yes, absolutely. Is this the next evolution in computing? Yes. The current set is basically a release because everyone was claiming they were total vaporware IMHO. As a developer device to get ahead in a new field it is wonderful to have a piece of. Where they are at serious risk isn't actually the technology itself, which is fantastic, it's the way they've locked the platform down so tightly. Nobody can make a penny on the platform without handing over about 30% to them. This is probably because they have so much investment to recoup.

      As it stands you are very limited in the space where it would make the most sense to develop so early, highly specialized industry and corporate applications that you'd make and sell one or two off for very high prices. There isn't really a way to sell copies in a one off fashion with control of who can buy them.

    3. Re: Well of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The obly company that has successfully copied parts of Apple's PR

    4. Re:Well of course by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Today's times? Fast talkers have been selling snake oil since the invention of talking.

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    5. Re:Well of course by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Snake oil sellers were selling an actual product and lying about its ingredients, or properties. Today's sellers don't even have a product most of the time. They are selling a theoretical product, and even more successfully.

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  2. Frist post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They for sure did billon dollar con job here

    1. Re:Frist post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post isn't first. You fail at life.

    2. Re: Frist post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't say first post. He said frist post dumbass - red foreman

  3. All you need.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is a leap of faith.

    1. Re:All you need.... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Funny

      That''s the magic part!

    2. Re: All you need.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magic Leap AKA Magic Heap of Poo

      is the APPLE of the AR world

  4. Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We aren't in the 3D printed private space asteroid mined future?

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    OK, bring the shorts, I'll bring some spices!

  5. Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing about Magic Leap is, they actually built what they said they would. Maybe it's expensive, maybe it's still shipping in limited numbers, maybe the technical capabilities are less than what some expected. But they still have delivered real hardware. So to me, I do not feel like it's a con. I feel like it's a perfectly valid attempt to move augmented reality forward - and whoever does it, the first steps are going to be clunky and take an enormous about of money.

    The question of why so many people are at that conference is interesting. I was thinking about going myself, as off and on I try some experimental programming with various VR and AR hardware.

    Just from what I have seen from various AR and VR headsets, the AR approach is far more obviously the future of headsets. There are just so many more practical uses for AR than VR (which Microsoft I think has demonstrated better than Magic Leap). So AR developers attending this conference, or working on any platform KNOW the current devices kind of suck and have some bad limitations (the field of view thing especially). But they are there trying to learn how to build things that make sense for AR, even if the hardware is limited now you know in ten years it will be pretty amazing and the devs working on real software today will be incredibly well positioned to take advantage of what they have learned now when the devices are so much more limited...

    So personally I would cut Magic Leap some slack, it's more on the press I would say that they are perhaps a little too rosy about what AR can do today.

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    1. Re:Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All of what you say is true, but if you point out a tech company that most people have never heard of still has a long way to go to deliver hardware at a level and price customers expect, you don't get nearly as many clicks as you do if you say that the company is a con. Hopefully the sensationalist writing will get someone at the company to lash out at you on social media so you can get even more attention by starting a bogus internet feud so you can write even more clickbait articles because internet drama stories are far easier to crap out than anything that may require actual journalism.

      And this is exactly the product that a good number of people want and vote for with their attention, so it's difficult to fault anyone for giving the good people what they desire. And this is hardly some recent event lest anyone think the world has gone to hell recently. I don't recall a time when the checkout lines at the grocery stores didn't have the National Enquirer or similar tabloids for sale. There's always been a market for sensationalist crap.

    2. Re:Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question of why so many people are at that conference is interesting.

      Free junkets, coke, and hookers aren't just for politicians you know...

    3. Re: Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need cement shoes and a bag. Just shut up already

    4. Re: Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an Apple zealot, of course you don't know a con when you see one.

    5. Re:Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      they actually built what they said they would

      maybe the technical capabilities are less than what some expected

      So didn't build what they said they would.

      That's just the point. For all the talk that Magic Leap put into (including the company name itself), what was delievered was to a certain degree, ... meh.

    6. Re:Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with what you say is that they delivered a piece of hardware with no utility.

      It's not just Magic Leap. It's VR and AR completely. Where does it fit in the broader world? What real problem does it solve? The Hololens is not taking off and was released 2 years ago. Google Glass was pulled from the market. The new Oculus is a downgraded version, not a new high-end version, suggesting sales aren't where they want them to be.

      It's the responsibility of the companies to find their place where these technologies fit. So far Magic Leap's marketing is trying to sell ice to eskimos.

    7. Re:Hard to claim Magic Leap is that much a con by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      It's not just Magic Leap. It's VR and AR completely. Where does it fit in the broader world? What real problem does it solve?

      My work is trying to shoehorn AR in somehow and so far the best we've managed to use it for is glorified QR codes.

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  6. It is not... what? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After spending two days at LEAPcon, I feel it is my duty -- in the name of instilling a modicum of sanity into an age where a company that has never actually sold a product to a consumer can be worth a billion dollars more than the entire GDP of Fiji -- to inform you that it is not.

    It is not what?

    See, this is what happens when you don't have anyone actually editing what gets submitted...

    (For anyone who cares the answer is: it is not going to be "huge")

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    1. Re:It is not... what? by Bradmont · · Score: 1

      It's not worth a billion dollars more than fiji's economy. It's really not that complicated a sentence...

    2. Re:It is not... what? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First of all, "--" should be a long dash.

      Secondly, the sentence is supposed to still make sense when you remove everything between the two dashes.

      "After spending two days at LEAPcon, I feel it is my duty [...] to inform you that it is not."

      That's how the sentence is written and wonkey_monkey is right to complain.

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    3. Re:It is not... what? by sjames · · Score: 2

      That's a quote from TFA and it makes perfect sense. It is not worth more than the GDP of Fiji.

    4. Re:It is not... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that in TFA, it clearly refers to the preceding sentence. The sentence itself is OK, in context. As someone else points out, grammatically you should be able to remove everything within the dashes and still have a coherent sentence. You can't do that - clearly - if the referent is the GDP of Fiji. You can do it in the original, because the referent is '"It's going to be huge"'. It is the author's duty to tell you it isn't going to be huge, which is completely lost in the summary.

    5. Re:It is not... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are doing the lord's work.

    6. Re:It is not... what? by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Your post is what happens when you don't understand what a quote is and why you aren't supposed to change it.

    7. Re:It is not... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh shit, I better stop doing whatever I am doing.

    8. Re:It is not... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      grammatically you should be able to remove everything within the dashes and still have a coherent sentence.

      That rule is for commas, you prick.

    9. Re:It is not... what? by mvdwege · · Score: 2
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    10. Re:It is not... what? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      In the article, the quote refers to a preceeding sentence which has been removed in the summary.

      Quotes absolutely should be changed if you aren't going to include their original context.

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    11. Re:It is not... what? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It's for dashes and parentheses as well, moron.

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    12. Re:It is not... what? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      No, in TFA, it refers to the preceeding sentence, where it is claimed MagicLeap will be "huge." It does not refer to the part between the dashes because that's not how written English works.

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  7. It's all about the exit strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prime example of a startup where the end game is to get acquired by a big player so the investors can cash out. Delivering a working product is a distant secondary consideration.

    Makes you wonder how much Sundar Pichai stands to gain personally from Google's cash infusion.

  8. You don't get it by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "It felt genuinely crazy *

    To believe this, you need a leap of faith ....or magic. :-)

  9. The next Theranos? by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    DId you see any hot blondes with Barry White-on-whiskey voices there?

    1. Re: The next Theranos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elizabeth Holmes was not hot. Way better looking than her boyfriend/COO Sunny sure but pretty normal for a blonde white woman her age.

      The voice was an affectation to win over the old ignorant men she recruited as her backers. She has a normal voice when sheâ(TM)s not doing a funny voice. (Same with Gilbert Gottfried by the way.)

  10. Film at eleven. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Silicon Valley country based on fraud and fairy dust. Film at eleven.

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  11. Sounds like every recent tech presentation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever since the first Steve Jobs Apple presentation.

    Yes, peer pressure can make you believe you like something that you don't.
    Every teenager who had his first black coffee or beer or wine or whisky to be "cool", "because everyone cool likes it", knows this feeling.
    Right before he stars to actually believe it too.

    Believing you are in control of your own "free will", is the most dangerous trap there is. It is the key tool to manipulating and ruling people. To get them to believe, that they are you. (But still "only got themselves to blame".)

    Always watch out for this influence. Especially for triggers. (Which is when the impulse hits a nerve, so strongly, that you completely lose rational control.)
    And accept that you are neither completely free, nor unable to use that influence as a tool, or is any of it bad or good.
    You are the sum of your influences. But you still are a person. Because that "more than the sum of its parts" is that only you are THIS combination of influences. (It's not just a sum. It's a structured combination. And structure is all that makes a thing a thing. Even an elementary particle is just a wave, aka some structure, in its field.)

  12. The problem is impatient people by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The new generation, who get pissed off when a click takes longer than half a second, can't be bothered to wait for new technology that might take 10 or more years to develop to some kind of semi-maturity. So they throw a tantrum when version 1 isn't all that and a bag of chips.

    Some technology problems are just harder. I'm still optimistic about various fusion reactor companies that have been working for 15 or more years on it.

    The issue is whether significant progress is being made or not. It is, so shut up and take your meds.

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    1. Re:The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      can't be bothered to wait for new technology that might take 10 or more years to develop... The issue is whether significant progress is being made or not

      I think the OP point is that companies with primary business in those areas, such as the fusion rector companies you mention, typically aren't worth six billion. Also there's a missing citation for "significant progress".

    2. Re:The problem is impatient people by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The new generation, who get pissed off when a click takes longer than half a second, can't be bothered to wait for new technology that might take 10 or more years to develop to some kind of semi-maturity. So they throw a tantrum when version 1 isn't all that and a bag of chips.

      I see it as a three step process.

      Step 1: Hype something beyond all recognition.

      Step 2: Fail to live up to hype

      Step 3: Complain about an impatient "new generation" to cover for failure to have sufficient integrity to be honest with people from the beginning.

      The issue is whether significant progress is being made or not. It is, so shut up and take your meds.

      This isn't the authors issue. It's something you just made up.

    3. Re: The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magic Leap has some of the characteristics of the US defense contractor United Defense that sold their Crusader project to the military, then took $11 billion US over 10 years and delivered nothing worth that much. In the end one of their competitors ran a field test of the idea behind it and proved it was not physically possible to reliably kill modern tanks with artillery, even with decades of future improvements to manufacturing and explosive technologies.

    4. Re:The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's the thing. When a real problem is being solved, the tech that addresses it is used DESPITE its issues. Like Word Perfect embedded formatting characters you had to manage yourself because WYSIWYG tech didn't actually quite work yet. But office secretaries everywhere were forced to learn that crap because the value of editing a doc and reprinting it was too valuable to pass up.

      VR is not like this. No one really uses it to solve a real problem, in any form. And so instead of the tech naturally moving forward by necessity and use, it moves forward by marketing and for research purposes. When it does finally work, it will be used in a few places, but it will never really go mainstream because it isn't solving a mainstream problem. If it were, we'd already be using it and tolerating its issues instead of saying they have to be fixed first.

    5. Re:The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stuff it, apologist. They're all about getting into the Military's all-you-can-spend buffet. Hasn't the F-35 taught you anything? Better re-take 2nd grade buddy boy.

    6. Re:The problem is impatient people by gijoel · · Score: 1

      You forgot, "Steal underpants."

    7. Re:The problem is impatient people by fafalone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing here is that Magic Leap basically told us to expect something 10 years ahead of the general state of the technology now. They promised the revolutionary, not the incremental. It's entirely reasonable for people to be very disappointed in Magic Leap even if it still represents incremental progress of a promising technology, and it's their own fault.

    8. Re: The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think ACs point was Magic Leap and its $6 billion valuation is indeed a con, or at least a fraud, like Crusader was in practice because it was based on a faulty understanding of manufacturing tolerances, ballistic and explosive physics, and what future improvements were probable. Magic Leap is so far a rose colored sunglass, pie in the sky, fraud.

    9. Re:The problem is impatient people by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      No, we were more than happy to look forward to Oculus 2.0 and HoloLens 2.0.

      But Magic Leap said "we've created this lightfield display that's like nothing you've ever seen!"

      And then launched HoloLens v1.1 that we've had for years already. The Segway did the same thing. "This is going to revolutionize transportation. You'll all own a segway in a few years! Hilariously 10 years later electric scooters are insanely popular but only the cheapest most simple implementation imaginable.

    10. Re:The problem is impatient people by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > VR is not like this. No one really uses it to solve a real problem, in any form.

      Nonsense. VR is a niche learning tool.

      Over fear of heights

      High voltage training

      > but it will never really go mainstream because it isn't solving a mainstream problem.

      Yeah, I would agree with that.

    11. Re:The problem is impatient people by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one really uses it to solve a real problem, in any form. Except for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuT9uhbXZKg.

      The reason Google etc are investing in AR is because they see it as the next user interface for ubiquitous computing, after the smart phone screen.
      An Android smart phone (and the Google AI cloud behind it) are already incredibly context-aware and offering you suggestions and ads based on where you are and what it knows you're doing.

      AR done right gives the world a new hi-res google maps type overlay, with info on what you're looking at, and of course, better targeted, directionally valid, ads.

      Maybe this isn't a real problem to be solved. But a person with an F-35 helmet (and attached F-35) can kill you faster. And a person augmented with AR backed by Google-ish AI is just going to be generally more informed and capable, when interacting with the world around them.

      At last, they will be able to walk directly toward and into the best Asian restaurant within 3 blocks, and get the last seat before the bumbling fool desperately finger-fumbling their smartphone of yesteryear. That's the vision anyway. Oh, and of course you can do your own plumbing.

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    12. Re:The problem is impatient people by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Step 2 is actually the banksters who are funding and charging fees for the IPO also hype the product and of course step 3 IPO, the big cash in. Step 4 golden parachutes for the executive team or if they fucked up the con, well, a custodial sentence.

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    13. Re:The problem is impatient people by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      That is true of VR... it isn't true of MR. MR does address a number of problems. The tech has a way to go, it'll be there when it is finally compacted into a set of light glasses that pairs with your phone and a great field of view with a better than 16hr battery life (which means 25hr+ rating so it continues to be that way) and that charges fast enough to be ready tomorrow.

      The present tech is much better than merchant describes. Text isn't blurry if properly calibrated but doing that when you have dozens of demos to give isn't realistic. The few people I've let experience the technology have had their minds blown but they are normal people and not geeks who have been following the claims of magic leap for the most part. The same is even true of geeks who haven't followed up to this point.

      VR is a dead end for general use because it obscures the world around you. MR technology will eventually take over because you can have a networked and persistent reality that overlays and interacts with the physical world. When it is ready it will identify a nice car you see and let you know the MSRP or give the book value on the fly when you are considering purchasing. Broken radiator, you'll be able to look at one and order it on the fly. Lost in the woods, you'll be able to identify edible plants. Need to learn how to cut up a chicken? How about being able to see not a video but interactive graphics overlaying the bird. How about decorating your apartment in virtual art because everyone is wearing an MR set and sees the same thing? Have a TV on the wall? How about you have a virtual tv and the wife can watch something else at the same time while the kids put up a fish tank and study? Need a player piano, how about every piano is a player piano.

      Is that where the tech is at? No. Some of that is 5yrs away, some of it is 10yrs away, and a few pesky details will likely stand in the way of a few of those applications long after the tech is on every face. Even so is that pursuing a path that has a viable potential of achieving that worth billions? If you think the answer is no you have a serious lack of vision.

    14. Re:The problem is impatient people by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      When it does finally work, it will be used in a few places, but it will never really go mainstream because it isn't solving a mainstream problem.

      I'm not sure if "lack of VR porn" is an actual problem, but whoever "solves" it is going to be making so much money they won't know what to do with it.

    15. Re:The problem is impatient people by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I thought step 3 was "rant about short sellers".

      [takes cover]

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    16. Re:The problem is impatient people by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But a person with an F-35 helmet (and attached F-35) can kill you faster.

      I suppose he could swing it by the straps as a kind of improvised flail.

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    17. Re:The problem is impatient people by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. My point is that letting the facts talk was replaces by letting the talk be a fact instead. What scares me is that everyone else buys into the talk and jump around like monkeys who see a picture of a banana.
      Sometimes I feel like a normal dude who just fell into Stupidland.

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    18. Re:The problem is impatient people by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Oh, that actually exists and works. No worries there, porn is THE leading media industry in terms of tech adoption.

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    19. Re:The problem is impatient people by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'd use AR to solve the problem of annoying ads. Just like we have ad blockers for the web, we could have ad blockers for real life.

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    20. Re: The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree with you that we need to be patient. The tech will be here and good enough sooner or later.... right now it is totally looking like later.

      The thing is that the iPhone was only possible because technology caught up with vision.... I would say lots of people have the same vision, but Apple could see it was almost ready and gave it a push. Do you think that Android would not have existing in a similar form of not for the iPhone? I think it may take a few more years but it will happen even without the iPhone.

      Magic leap on the other hand demonstrated that viable tech is not here yet. Unless they can keep the illusion for another 5 years or so until the tech actually catches up, it is just another group of people who were ahead of their time but ultimately could not make it viable.... and it would likely be someone else who will give it a push pass the minimum viability line.

    21. Re:The problem is impatient people by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      At last, they will be able to walk directly toward and into the best Asian restaurant within 3 blocks, and get the last seat before the bumbling fool desperately finger-fumbling their smartphone of yesteryear. That's the vision anyway. Oh, and of course you can do your own plumbing.

      "Best Asian restaurant" means what? I am afraid it will really mean the one that gives the biggest kickback to the company you are leasing your glasses software from. (Which is not to say it will be a bad restaurant, because they surely are willing to pay more if they are good enough to get repeat business. But "best" is a non-falsifiable claim.)

      The last one is intriguing, but I think it will prove easier to replace doctors with software than plumbers. It is a worthy futuristic idea, I agree.

    22. Re:The problem is impatient people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > VR is a dead end for general use because it obscures the world around you.

      The killer app for AR is waifus. NPCs can projected into real life areas like kitchens, parks, and whatnot. With voice recognition, you can hold a conversation with one.

      There are already some phone apps than can project an NPC. They just now need headset integration.

      > How about you have a virtual tv and the wife can watch something else at the same time

      TVs will always be cheaper than an AR headset, though.

    23. Re:The problem is impatient people by vovin · · Score: 1

      AR done right is still missing the most critical of all pieces ... a lightweight, high resolution, volumetric display.
      It's not clear (to anyone) that those pieces can be put together before next decade. Until then all we really have is various versions of a HUD which while sometimes interesting, us ultimately more of a hindrance that a help.

      A halfway point would be a HUD that can shift focal distance combined with an eye tracking system to place the HUD focal distance to match where the user is looking.

  13. Maybe it's just me by jon3k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe it's just me, but this feels like reading a review my Grandmother might write if I put her in front of a ZX Spectrum in the early 80s. I don't think as much about what's available now as what is possible.

    1. Re: Maybe it's just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the ZX spectrum investors are all trillionaires today!

      Magic Leap is crap tech. The HTC Vive sells more, does the same in VR, but has way more support. Rift too. Windows Mixed Reality is about the same as this, but a tenth the price. Or HoloLens for much better support at the same price.

      I run a custom WMR rig, superimposed over a low latency 1080 cam feed. I wouldn't want to play table tennis with it on, but golf, and noncompetitive levels of sports like basketball that aren't millisecond reaction based are good.

      You can also use it to "cheat" in team esports like LoL. The fixed map means it was easy to build a grid model and automatically overlay the enemy position to each other - shared team vision, in other words.

    2. Re:Maybe it's just me by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Why do you think that more is possible? Moore's Law is dead. Do you think processors are going to get faster? Also, Spectrum was never "valued" at $6 billion.

    3. Re:Maybe it's just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eh, it is clear the problem is not that this is less cool than the ZX spectrum back in its day. But what if they told you back then, the ZX spectrum is worth 6 billion years before making it to market? Would you find that sane?

    4. Re:Maybe it's just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's just me, but this feels like reading a review my Grandmother might write if I put her in front of a ZX Spectrum in the early 80s. I don't think as much about what's available now as what is possible.

      This is more like the Sinclair C5.

    5. Re:Maybe it's just me by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just me, but this feels like reading a review my Grandmother might write if I put her in front of a ZX Spectrum in the early 80s. I don't think as much about what's available now as what is possible.

      Quite a fitting comparison since most of the technological progressions that made computers what they are were ultimately not provided by Sinclaire.

      Likewise, AR is an amazing field with amazing potential. Unfortunately there's nothing magical nor a great leap provided by this product.

    6. Re:Maybe it's just me by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Why do you think that more is possible?

      Application development.

      Do you think processors are going to get faster?

      Yes, they are. Moore's Law "being dead" doesn't mean processors aren't getting faster. It just means the industry no longer doubles the number of transistors every two years.

      Also, Spectrum was never "valued" at $6 billion.

      Ok?

    7. Re:Maybe it's just me by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Likewise, AR is an amazing field with amazing potential.

      Agreed, as I said:

      I don't think as much about what's available now as what is possible.

  14. Magic Leap Con by beep54 · · Score: 1

    So NOT Magic Leap con. I was thinking 'flim-flam' at first.

  15. Re: Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, more fake news Infowars links from retard spammer APK. Time for whipslash to delete more of your spam posts.

  16. Re: Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot to include the paragraphs from your usual spam comments about banning bump stocks and blaming the Vatican for meddling in the 2016 election.

    Time for whipslash to delete more of your shitposts. Come back when you can act like an adult and demonstrate more maturity than a second grader.

  17. Their act is miles from reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had they been humble, maybe even understating, people would probably indeed love them.

    But they brought out the most flashy dazzling parade balloon in the universe, with fanfares, flashes, searchlights and confetti. And a giant lens in front.
    And then people unwrapped their package in a package in a package of massive over-expectations, deliberately generated by Magic Leap, to remove the lens, pop the balloon, turn on the normal living room lights, and wipe away the confetti glitter.... and felt quite deceived, lied to and conned as a result.

    A McLaren 675LT is a damn fast car. Yes. No discussion about that.
    But if you were promised basically a warp 10 space ship, it will still be a massive con and a rip-off.

    Basically, it's the same reason the concept of a stock market that does not deal in real physical goods is bound to explode and defective by design.

    1. Re:Their act is miles from reality. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      I see what you are saying and (and kind of agree based on things like that whale in the gym marketing), but these days I guess over-hyped marketing is so expected that you kind of discount that from the start?

      That is to say, I personally was not all that surprised at what they delivered vs. what the marketing said they would have. Frankly I was actually more surprised they delivered anything at all.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    2. Re:Their act is miles from reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically you are saying "if its too goo to be true, it probalby is"?

      Srry for the typos, im drunl

    3. Re:Their act is miles from reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Superfaggot ken doll will die in a fire, i predict.

  18. Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah you're so edgy criticizing the Magic Leap. No one's done that before. You're such a lone wolf.
    Magic Leap wasn't perfect so I'm going to dismiss a gadget that has 10 times more technology packed into it than a new iPhone, even though I can buy a low production run prototype now for less than double the price of a new iPhone which has a production run of about a billion!!
    I mean really...how hard can it be to give a seamless AR experience where virtual objects overlayed with reality look perfect. Piece of cake right??
    You should go back in time and shake your fist at the Wright brothers for building a plane that couldn't even cross the Atlantic.
    By the way, what have you invented lately you fucking legend you?

    1. Re:Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sunk your life savings into this junk and now you're pissed that the hype bubble is being popped, we get it.

      Better luck next time.

    2. Re:Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid not dumdum.
      I started working on my first AR device 10 years ago. I know the challenges involved.
      You and your ilk aren't worthy to lick the sweat of these creators balls.
      But by all means stand on the sideline and naysay people trying to drag humanity kicking and screaming into the future. That's all 99.9% of the population is good for.

    3. Re: Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were at all any good, youd not be on here as an AC claiming such talent. Eat a dick. Move of out of your parent's basement. Take mommy's titty out of your mouth.

    4. Re: Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for implying I'm talented. I didn't.

    5. Re:Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean really...how hard can it be to give a seamless AR experience where virtual objects overlayed with reality look perfect. Piece of cake right??

      No, it isn't. That's exactly the problem here: That they over-promised and under-delivered by a huge margin. All their early demos were not demos at all, they were completely fabricated videos and that just does a disservice to everybody in the industry.

    6. Re:Wah wah wah it's not perfect!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, when you create a startup that receives hundreds of millions of dollars from investors, you just remember to tell them that you have no intention of creating any hype in the years preceding the release of your as yet unfinished, unpolished product.
      "Sorry guys, I see you want to produce some early marketing material using projections of what our end product will be. Sorry I can't allow that. I couldn't live with disappointing the public if our product isn't at least as good as our projections."
      Good luck with that.

  19. Re: Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's not the real APK dude the real APK always includes "see subject"

  20. =Amerika aka Shithole Country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No universal healthcare gaurentees wage slavery. What a shithole country, I wouldnt gamble my money on them.

  21. When the bubble is going to burst? by esperto · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The most important question is when the second tech bubble is going to burst? I feel we are way past the level when the first one happened, we have companies with zero or very little income being sold by tens of billions of dollars, others that say with all the letters on the IPO that are likely to never become profitable, and the whole VR/AR segment that seem to be going the way of the 3D movies, good gimmick, but the cosumers expected a lot more from such an expensive device and fell short of the hype.

    So, when the market will realise the king is naked and finally adjust?

    1. Re:When the bubble is going to burst? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Never being profitable isn't a problem. The goal is to get lots of users and then get bought out by someone like Facebook. Maybe Facebook can make some money using your app to drive users to get a Facebook account, harvesting their data or whatever, but your app itself doesn't need to have any potential to be profitable on its own.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:When the bubble is going to burst? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never being profitable isn't a problem. The goal is to get lots of users and then get bought out by someone like Facebook. Maybe Facebook can make some money using your app to drive users to get a Facebook account, harvesting their data or whatever, but your app itself doesn't need to have any potential to be profitable on its own.

      That is dot-com bubble as fuck!!

    3. Re:When the bubble is going to burst? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I agree. As someone who was there at the time, this article reminds me a great deal of the go-go last days of the '90s, when a decent website, a cute name and a slick powerpoint deck and absolutely nothing beyond that could get you a suitcase full of VC cash and a NASDAC listing.

  22. OK, enlighten us then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's fake or LIES in 101 points here https://www.infowars.com/trump... ?

    Show us YOUR "maturity" (none).

    "Your kind" are EXPERTS on lying & fake news, lol as well as letting me CUT YOU TO PIECES PUBLICLY https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... EASILY vs. your LIES, lol!

    ALL while you HIDE behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts (despite having registered accounts admittedly downmod bombing me https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... which I having UNLIMITED posting ability simply override DEFYING You, lol - whipslash TOO & he KNOWS it (KNEEL boy))

    APK

    P.S.=> But, but, but... "/. doesn't DELETE posts" right? WRONG - whipslash & crew TRIED that, I caught it in screenshots & SHOT THEM UP FOR THAT TOO, lol - PUBLICLY on HIS OWN BALLCOURT (oh the AGONY of public defeat, lol) - your "hubris of the defeated"? I'd just repost again EXPOSING that too, lol - you LOSE losers... lol! apk

  23. I don't understand the hate by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ML1 isn't cheap, but its price really isn't out of line with what you'd spend if you bought an Oculus Rift and a gaming laptop comparable to what's inside the ML1's LightPack controller.

    If anything, the single biggest problem with mixed/augmented/virtual reality today is that it really needs way more horsepower than any mainstream (let alone cheap) consumer device currently has. Current hardware is kind of like a NeXT back when it was the computer to die for... lots of promise & future-looking software, running on hardware that just wasn't quite fast enough to satisfy people's expectations.

    In all honesty, XR (my favorite umbrella term for mixed/augmented/virtual reality) is what the currently-moribund PC industry NEEDS... an excuse to RADICALLY increase computing power. We haven't had an excuse like that for 10 years. The same beefed-up hardware that will enable realtime XR applications with low latency and fluid animation will finally give us things like "Aero Diamond" (Aero-like Windows graphics, but with realtime-raytraced eyecandy and translucency effects) once even a mid-range laptop has the equivalent of today's most expensive hardware.

    NVidia has taken the next step towards realtime hardware-accelerated raytracing, and Intel & AMD have started moving into 8+ core 5+GHz territory. Pair the display hardware of a ML1 or Hololens with a 16-core i9 running at 4.5-5GHz with 64gb of RAM, a 2TB SSD, and a top of the line dual-slot NVidia GPU (call it "personal cloud"), and watch the real magic happen. Pair the same display tech with the equivalent of a high-end Android phone, and prepare to be kind of underwhelmed, just like we were 25 years ago with NeXTSTEP. The fundamental idea is good, it just needs radically more-powerful computer hardware driving it to make it truly awesome.

    1. Re:I don't understand the hate by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      I think you're mixing up cause and effect here. It's not that the computer industry doesn't *want* to radically improve hardware speeds. It's becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to do so. We're no longer on track with Moore's law due to physics, not from a lack of effort.

      --
      Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
    2. Re:I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you hit the nail on the head ... there really is no widespread consumer demand for AR because it doesn't do anything it hasn't since the 90s, maybe earlier.

    3. Re: I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. The real problem with AR is that it requires so much electrical power to be useful that to even vaguely come close to a version that isnt wired into a power outlet requires it be on a wheeled cart. At that rate, you can get a cell phone, a usb battery pack, and an unlimited data plan that Lets you hire an assist at to scan the video feed and research stuff and whisper it into your ear via blue tooth.
      Modern hardware is decent enough if yiu have enough cash, but the power demands are just untenable to justify the person buying the tool to be willing to carry it.

    4. Re:I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NVidia has taken the next step towards realtime hardware-accelerated raytracing, and Intel & AMD have started moving into 8+ core 5+GHz territory.

      Where the fuck have you been living? nvidia had to rush their rtx lineup and release waaaay early because of what amd is about to release and wanted to be first to market for obvious reasons. Secondly, placing intel in the same sentence as amd for moving core tech into the future is pure asinine. Intel has been choking the consumer tech for decades and until recently they locked the gamers out of multicore tech beyond 4cores in lieu of enterprise, $$$. Threadripper is yet to be fully realised by developers and the community at large and will completely destroy what intel have to offer the moment they do.

    5. Re:I don't understand the hate by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You must be kidding. You can pair a hololens/whatever with the latest i9 or whatever and it will make no difference. There are no ways that we know of to radically increase computer power. That train left the station along with Moore's Law years ago.

    6. Re: I don't understand the hate by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Part of the reason computing power stalled was due to hitting die-shrinkage limits, but much of it is due to the expectation that modern hardware has to be dirt cheap. I paid around $2500 for an a
      Amiga 3000 circa 1992. What kind of a beast of raw, brute-force AMD64 power could you build TODAY with that same inflation-adjusted amount (say, ~$7,000)? If people still routinely bought $2,500-3,200 laptops & tolerated inch-thick 10lb form-factors, what kind of laptop power COULD we have now?

      Thin, light, and power-sipping has won for now... and the computer industry needs a reason to say, "fuck all three, give me a backpack-sized mainframe". AR *is* that reason.

    7. Re: I don't understand the hate by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      Disagree. The problem with ML1 isnâ(TM)t computing power at all, itâ(TM)s the diffraction grating. All the computing power in the world isnâ(TM)t going to get you more than two focal planes, a wider field of view, occlusion of objects in the real world or overhead lights that donâ(TM)t turn into rainbows.

      What they promised was a new optical technology that brings the future of AR we all imagine onto our faces today. What we got was a slightly better diffraction grating. Personally Iâ(TM)m not convinced diffraction gratings will ever bring us that future. Itâ(TM)s entirely possible that the tech we need simply doesnâ(TM)t exist yet.

      Check out https://www.kguttag.com/ for a lot of information of this sort of thing.

    8. Re: I don't understand the hate by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      > There are no ways that we know of to radically increase computer power.

      Of COURSE there are. They just aren't cheap, low-power, or within the capabilities of semi-passive cooling.

      Do you REALLY believe that an agglomeration of i9-class CPUs (in good old fashioned SMP, not performance-compromised multicore chips) with water cooling & the kind of heat output we accepted as normal in the Pentium 4 era can't radically raise the performance bar?

      We've settled for stagnated performance in a race to cheaper + thinner + lower-power for years because nobody could give consumers a reason NOT to settle for it. We need to raise the bar, raise it HIGH, and give people a compelling reason again to CARE about performance and demand it. We need to give Joe Sixpack a REASON to go spend $5,000 on a personal supercomputer that would have made 1999 NASA jealous.

      I don't remember who first said it, but mixed reality is really just augmented reality with better, evolved display tech. It's not an end in itself. AR display tech is a cornerstone, but it's just one piece of the equation.

      The ML1 might not be the lightfield display we've fantasized about (yeah, me too), but it's the best holographic display you can buy RIGHT NOW. The technology will unquestionably keep improving... but you have to start somewhere.

      We didn't magically get to photorealistic 144fps 3840x2560 videogames overnight, and I have a mountain of old hardware in my closets to prove just how far we've come. Enjoy the ML1 for what it is, and look forward to what it's paving the way towards next... and pray that the race to 'cheap' doesn't win out over the quest for 'awesome' before XR technology GETS to awesome.

    9. Re: I don't understand the hate by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

      Well the reason for such powerful computing would be machine learning, AI, and rich interaction in the home. Voice recognition with excellent quality and intent management (i.e. Dragon Naturally Speaking as it ran on sub-GHz CPUs brought into today's computational regime).

      The current software giants have explicitly said you may NOT *own* such software because ye ole Microsoft model led to people going too many years on plenty good enough Windows XP / 7 and Office 2003/2010. You will be advertised to, you may not own software for advanced use, and you will comply with this new order, or suffer as a disenfranchised luddite.

    10. Re:I don't understand the hate by ledow · · Score: 1

      I have no doubt that at some point these things will take off.

      But... look at the kids. Are they fighting to get the latest VR headsets, etc.? No. I watched a TV program the other day with a VR rollercoaster ride. The bit you can do at home (watch a movie of a rollercoaster that you can look around in) is... well... boring. The bit you can't do at home (sit in a seat that throws you about in time to the images) is the fun bit.

      If VR were anywhere close to taking off then you'd see it in things like arcades (yes, these still exist), conferences, shows, at the back of the cinema, etc. - anywhere that people might say "That looks cool, let's have a go". When dance games took off, that's where they started.

      VR-at-home is almost there. You can buy them now. But they are a bit meh, and they are very expensive. If the Switch had been a proper VR console, than a) Nintendo might have had a good selling point, b) it probably would have sold millions even if it was a bit of a cheap hack, c) you'd see that bleed into the other consoles who would try to play catch-up. Games are the driver, but the kids aren't interested nowadays, not this professional shite (if an architect wants a fancy 3D walkthrough, you can be sure he can afford it on his salary... and he could have done that at any time since hte early 90's VRML etc. days... the 90's "this is what's coming" TV was FULL of people with huge VR headsets on their heads.

      Fact is, I can buy the headsets and stuff for my computer. Sure, my computer hasn't *quite* got the oomph that it needs, but that never used to stop me - I upgraded for Quake, upgraded for Half-Life, Half-Life 2, etc. There's a ton of scope for me to upgrade further. I could go to a top-of-the-line system with a big-name VR headset for one month's wages, which is nothing for a serious gamer who hasn't seen a truly ground-breaking game in years.

      But it's all a bit meh still. VR is burdened with putting you in a world in a "avatar suit" that you can't really control. You can look round but to move properly and perform actions, you have to hold things and press buttons still. Though you might get stereoscopic vision out of it, there are cheaper ways to do that. Though you might get "a huge display" out of it, there are cheaper - and better - ways to do that. If I want a screen in front of my eyes as I go through my daily life, there are cheaper ways to do that. The movement kills it.

      Then extend that to AR and you see the problem - besides that fact that AR can really only play the most basic of tricks, you're relying on moving through a real world to make it interesting, which is the exact part which kills it.

      Now, I sound like an absolute naysayer, but you know what - I actually enjoyed Google Cardboard VR. It was hilarious and the perfect "Nintendo-level" pitch. I had one at a gaming night with a load of what we'd probably class "non-gamers" (i.e. we were all playing Pacman and Cluedo and things like that). Here, shove on a cheap bit of hardware and look around, isn't it cool? It worked for me. I loaded up the Cardboard demo app on my phone and loved watching that silly low-poly whale jump over my head.

      But that's because I was a child of the 80's, and that kind of thing was showing in things like Back to the Future. It was "cool". That's as far as it went because beyond "viewing" it was impractical.

      I'm sure Nintendo missed the boat and could have given us cheap mainstream hardware that we could use to introduce granny. I've seen any number of programs/adverts where they shove a VR headset on granny and let her scream at a virtual roller-coaster. And all of them cannot get to the point of suspending disbelief because of the movement. Also, VR renders you blind to the precise environment you've moving through (which is more dangerous than a Wiimote through the TV), while AR isn't able to suspend disbelief adequately enough.

      The Lawnmower Man was a 1992 movie. 26 years later, it looks incredibly dated while also looking ridi

    11. Re:I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no ways that we know of to radically increase computer power. That train left the station along with Moore's Law years ago.

      Why do I keep reading comments like these? People who repeat this shit make themselves look retarded.
      FFS, go look up the Threadripper 2 2990WX and NVidia RTX 2080TI and get back to us.

    12. Re:I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't really need the eye candy to make something like this useful. Good edge detection of objects for outlining, clear text, and some sprite based icons are all it really needs to be useful, throw in the ability to project sprites onto arbitrary 3d flats (walls, surfaces, etc) which is also easy. Better to have it lower-power and need less battery and/or have a longer battery life anyway.

      I'm there if this really gets off the ground, I have to wear glasses for everything anyway.

    13. Re:I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work with Oculus and Vive kits at work, and there were only two things I ever found compelling in VR: Google Earth, and Gorn.

      Show them Gorn. First person melee combat that's brutally over the top and rewards movement and creativity. It's a workout too.

      I don't really have the space for Gorn at home, so I never bought any of it myself. If there was ever a more story oriented thing made from the same mechanics (think Dark Messiah of Might and Magic) I'd have to consider trying to make it work.

    14. Re: I don't understand the hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is AR *really* that reason? Because I actually see it the other way. I see AR specifically more so than VR (but honestly there as well) as needing to be lighter, smaller, and ready to run on a battery.

      Why? because the devices strap to your head, and even if you are to wear some kind of backpack, it needs to weigh very little, it needs to be durable, it needs to not have power cables running into the wall to limit your movement and trip you up.

      Instead you are imaging what? People with cable cranes overhead in their rooms? 'backpack' computers weighing in at 15-20lbs? yeah lets figure out how much people will want to 'freely explore' and 'move around their environment' while they are leashed AND carrying weight. Or alternatively carrying extra weight and good for 1hr of play. XR (as previously used) has a long way to go.

    15. Re: I don't understand the hate by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I think there's a case to be made for having a gradient of capabilities and power options.

      For example, if you just want environmental metadata (a-la-Google Glass), that doesn't necessarily require a lot of local horsepower (and generally DOES require good, low-latency network connectivity), so cordless/wireless functionality is important and totally do-able.

      On the other hand, if you're doing 3D CAD work, or things like you'd commonly see on a TV show like "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.", being tethered to both local power AND a beefy mini-supercomputer isn't a big deal, because you really AREN'T going to be getting up and moving around much. Worst-case, maybe use something like the ML Lightpack for local power, recharge the future "Lightpack" with something like Qi inductive charging when seated, and offload the heavy computational lifting to a server (or array of servers) running nearby.

      Put another way, it doesn't HAVE to be an "either-or" decision. The correct answer to "Should XR focus on portability or horsepower?" is "yes". If you're playing SimCity XR, being wirelessly tethered to a local server with a few hours of battery life is fine. If you're playing "Paintball XR" by yourself at a park, you'll need extreme portability and fairly intense location/positioning... but can also reduce the amount of processing power needed for environmental mapping by pre-building your environmental database ahead of time, and maybe leaving active waypoint beacons lying around so it doesn't have to work quite as hard to figure out where you are and what (approximately) you're looking at. If you're walking through the mall looking for sales, you can probably live with a single focal point of rendering, and need to do scene-analysis mainly to keep things like AR ads anchored into place on walls, floors, and ceilings so they won't drift around and distract you too badly. The more you can constrain your environment and reduce the amount of realtime data-crunching necessary, the more easily you can get away with having less on-board portable computing power.

      The more adhoc realtime unstructured freedom you want, the closer you venture into supercomputer territory (quite probably surrounded by a small army of sensing bots & drones whose job is to scan, survey, and map not only your immediate surroundings, but areas that you HAVEN'T ventured into yet (so the system can be ready when you DO arrive).

      Future vision, 5-10 years from now: state or county park somewhere. 5-20 nerdy adult virtual LARPers running around with holographic headgear and haptic body suits, surrounded by a swarm of drones (mapping the environment, tracking both players and NPC-humans within the game environment, acting as airborne 802.11ad access points, and linking to a fairly beefy server running in the trunk of somebody's car). Park visitors not directly involved with the game are treated like "human NPCs" -- virtually re-skinned to look like {whatever}, and tagged by the game as "do not approach". Eventually, people who aren't involved figure out that there's a rule that penalizes players for coming within ~25 feet of a human-NPC, and some park visitors WITHOUT XR gear involve themselves in the game as well by intentionally doing things that force the players to react to them (like intentionally approaching players, who are then forced to run away to avoid coming within 20 feet and being penalized by the game). Think: the perfect fusion of mixed-reality, paintball, LARPing, and live-action Quake. Good times :-)

    16. Re: I don't understand the hate by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that a large part depends upon how you distribute the weight and handle your physical connectivity. Twenty points on your upper back is tiring. Ten pounds on your head is worse. Forty pounds anchored to your hips is just an alternative to "leg day" at the gym (or a few hours on a Stairmaster, or cleaning your house and making 200 trips up and down the stairs). Your legs & hips can handle a fair amount of weight without much impact (assuming you're reasonably in shape to begin with).

      Likewise, if the power cables are relatively thin and well-integrated into your clothing (or self-tensioned on spring-loaded wheel rolls to minimize slack, that's not a huge issue. People walked around with headphones and Walkman cassette players for 20+ years. Women have carried purses, well, almost forever. Good integration goes a long way towards making wires tolerable.

      Combine 20 pounds of hip-mounted battery with one pound of backpack-computer and 8-12 ounces of headgear (optionally tethered wirelessly to a local server on the local LAN and surrounded by a swarm of drones for remote sensing), and you can run for quite a while. Drone battery life is a more serious limiting factor... but if you have enough drones, you can just keep some of them back at the base. As batteries run low, fly the drone back to the base to recharge, and send another one out to take its place. Keep in mind, I'm being "5-20 year visionary" here. Obviously it would be cost-prohibitive to maintain a fleet of two dozen thousand-dollar drones today just so you can keep 6-8 airborne at any given point in time for an entire day everh third Sunday of the month. Build up a bit of a commercial market so you can have a fleet of three dozen drones and rent them out to gamers (so they're in daily use, spreading around your capital costs), and it starts to look sane. Ditto, for VR gear... people who wouldn't spend $10,000 for the "full monty" might happily pay $400 to rent the same gear for the whole weekend (say, LARPers), $250 to rent it for a Saturday or Sunday, $100 to rent it on a weekday or a few hours on a weekend, etc.

      Think about it: back in the 80s, those of us who are GenX'ers spent a small fortune (25c at a time) playing videogames on hardware that was too expensive to own for ourselves. By the 2000s, the last of that market kind of dried up (outside of early VR), because the line between "what you can afford if you spend a lot of money" and "what's available to the public on a time-sharing basis" got fuzzier and fuzzier. XR is a brand new market for stuff like this -- too expensive for most people to justify, let alone afford, as individual purchases... but do-able for collective timesharing.

  24. In other words by quonset · · Score: 0

    It's the tech equivalent of Theranos. Although in this case, there are no public investors, only unicorns and such.

    1. Re:In other words by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      You would be better off buying a 2nd hand Hololens. And I'm not a MS fan BTW.

  25. $5 by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

    Do you need five fish, or will you take a pepperoni and two soups?

    1. Re:$5 by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Do you need five fish

      Today's fish is Trout a la Creme, enjoy your meal.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    2. Re:$5 by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

      FISH!

    3. Re:$5 by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Today's fish is Trout a la Creme, enjoy your meal.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    4. Re:$5 by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

      ...FISH!

  26. I don't understand the mobility. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    I partially agree. Horsepower needed? Definitely. Portable horsepower needed? Most definitely because for AR to reach the potential as depicted in games, and fiction, it has to be portable. In VR you bring the universe to you, and can afford to be tied down. In AR you go to what's in the universe, and modify thusly.

    --
    Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
  27. The *ARMY* might buy into the bubble !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most important question is when the second tech bubble is going to burst?

    They are trying to avoid that bubble.
     
    They are trying to get the *ARMY* to save them.
     
      Magic Leap is Pushing To Land a Contract With US Army To Build AR Devices For Soldiers To Use On Combat Missions, Documents Reveal.

     

  28. I hope you didn't chose one company and invest muc by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's entirely possible that *someone* will *eventually* come out with an economically feasible fusion reactor.

    The odds that any particular company will do so in the next few years, before I retire, is very small. I wouldn't invest in any particular company that is based on trying to build a fusion reactor. Heck, even if they successfully build one, the company will fail if someone else builds a better one, or builds a similar one sooner.

    So it is with Magic Leap. Sure maybe someday some company will have success with something like this. If it's any other company other than Magic Leap, investors in Magic Leap lose. If Magic Leap does it, then someone else quickly copies them and comes out with a better version, Magic Leap loses. If Magic Leap does it, does it first, and nobody follows up with a better version, Magic Leap investors still lose if it takes too long. There about many ways this can go, and almost all of the possibilities would be bad news for people who invested in Magic Leap.

    It's similar to another stock. The largest, most successful auto company in the entire world is worth about $50 billion. Another company with less than 1% of their sales is also valued at about $50 billion at their current stock price. Sure Tesla might eventually grow by 50000% and become the world's largest car company, but there are hundreds of ways for that to end up not happening, and the stock assumes it already has happened.

  29. thank god, Some one else sees the light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Magic Leap is a Military run device..

    The Hr Department or lack there of, is non-existent.
    Their Compassion is seriously lacking.
    Their vision is Lacking ( as demonstrated)
    The ability they proclaim to produce is vaporware

    I could go on, but read the article, I bet most if not all of whats said above is actually true..

    Thank you,

  30. Re: OK, enlighten us then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What useful contributions have you made to Slashdot?

    Sorry, but offtopic spam is not a useful contribution, especially when it's about hosts files or contains fake news Infowars links.

    You = retard with some truly disgusting fetishes.

  31. Re: OK, enlighten us then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that Slashdot doesn't delete nearly enough of your offtopic spam.

    You think you're insightful and clever, but really you're just Slashdot's resident fucktard dumbass.

  32. I don't understand the lasers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel's approach (which they canceled) is another Magic Leap.

    https://www.kguttag.com/2018/02/04/intel-ar-fixer-upper-for-sale-only-350m/

  33. Presbyopia by grumling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All these AR glasses and related systems are being developed by the kids, who have no issues with focusing on near and far objects at the same time. Anyone over 50 is going to have problems with presbyopia destroying the illusion. Either you can correct for near or far, but not both.

    --
    "Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
    1. Re:Presbyopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kind of worse than that. For anyone, as you look at objects in your surroundings, your eyes subtly focus on the items you look at - that is, your intent in looking determines your focal plane. VR doesn't do that, it sets the focal plane, and you deal with it. It's really jarring for a few sessions to try and look at objects and not see the focal plane change - your eye muscles still move for it, and your brain still expects it, but it doesn't happen. It's like looking through an SLR at a fixed fairly open aperture (say 5.6) all the time.

      It's really a problem if you're trying to aim down sights on a long range (although the really low resolution of the current headsets also breaks this since you can't clearly make out targets at virtual 100 yards.

      I've found the best interactivity and functionality at close ranges (10 yards and closer).

    2. Re:Presbyopia by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I'd argue the opposite point... the constraints imposed by present-day AR/MR systems generally match the limits imposed by age-induced presbyopia on someone who was myopic to begin with. If you can't comfortably focus on things that are closer than 15-20 inches without eyestrain (or at all), a 1-meter "near" focal plane isn't much of a limit anyway. Likewise, if you can't clearly see things that are more than 10 feet away without glasses due to residual myopia, a 3-meter "distant" focal plane is about as far away as you can see clearly without glasses anyway.

      It's not middle-aged men and women who'll have a problem with the ML1's optics, it's KIDS who'll likely find it to be the most limiting. Which for now, is kind of ok, because middle-aged adults are just about the only people who can AFFORD to buy a ML1 or Hololens as a recreational toy.

  34. LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & TELL US: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming

  35. Never trust antisemite APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never trust antisemite Alexander Peter Kowalski's lies.
    Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence.
    How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
    There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
    This also ignores his out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
    The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproved statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

    Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case, which he can't, nothing he says should be taken seriously. Because he can't actually refute anything he will now start repeating his previously disproved lies because he is a retarded loser. By doing that he will prove he is a retard for all to see.

  36. LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #2/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YOUR WORDS yet?... apk

  37. LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #3/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YOU'RE EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  38. LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #4/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  39. LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #5/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YOUR WORDS tastes? apk

  40. LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say the following as a caring human being who agrees with how useful HOSTS files are: Your zeal is to be respected - by dave420 (699308) on Monday September 08, 2014

    But I love APK!The power of the hostfile compels you! by ratboy666 (104074) on Friday January 29, 2016

    APK was right all along! C:\WINDOWS\HOSTS is the solution ;) - by sabri (584428) on Friday October 21, 2016

    No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free. - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    I'm a fan of apk. Yes he trolls, but he only trolls where it's contextually appropriate. I respect that - by Noah Haders (3621429) on Wednesday July 29, 2015

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU'RE OUTNUMBERED DOZENS TO 1 - toss on 100,000++ users of my program worldwide too... apk

  41. 3 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & 3 questions you won't answer: 1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (the way threats are done most) by blocking them? Yes. 2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways in adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & via hardcoded favorite sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's the only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible configuration GUI form.

    (I also did that latter part LONG before the Chinese & 1st http://theregister.co.uk/2017/...

    APK

    P.S.-> Lastly: 3.) Have you done work that's that effective doing more for less faster in kernelmode speed w/ less complexity for exploit + excess overheads vs. solutions KNOWN to be security-issue riddled (like addons (souled-out to NOT work by default OR easily detected & blocked that are BYPASSABLE & EXPLOITABLE), DNS & Antivirus)? No... apk

  42. Security pros QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

    Spybot S&D uses hosts.

    APK

    P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

  43. Hosts efficacy recently vs. threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's working: Neville... it's working!" See subject & results from the past month https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... that's only recently while I've been on Linux (few months now only) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof).

    P.S.=> ... & that's ONLY what /. reported on (there are FAR more)... apk

  44. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming

    1. Re:Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your software is just crap - written in crayon, fictional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine as a punchline to a joke by mmell February 17, 2017

      Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is fucking insane - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

      his hosts "program" is actually a broken batch file by xenotransplant August 10 2015

      his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to be a laughingstock while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol by alexgieg September 25 2015

      I do use APK's host file in all my memes at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

      I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's crap - by BronsCon (927697)

      I like your tinfoil hat by Karmashock September 09 2015

      that APK nut, I can't get him to stop talking about his piece of shit file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

      I personally never would use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a retard called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

      APK

      P.S.=> When YOU do better than THAT by our /. registered peers, then talk (from behind your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a "so-called" WASTED life) - ok? apk

  45. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #2/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YER WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  46. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #3/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YER WORDS yet?... apk

  47. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #4/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YER EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  48. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YER WORDS tastes? apk

  49. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say the following as a caring human being who agrees with how useful HOSTS files are: Your zeal is to be respected - by dave420 (699308) on Monday September 08, 2014

    But I love APK!The power of the hostfile compels you! by ratboy666 (104074) on Friday January 29, 2016

    APK was right all along! C:\WINDOWS\HOSTS is the solution ;) - by sabri (584428) on Friday October 21, 2016

    No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free. - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    I'm a fan of apk. Yes he trolls, but he only trolls where it's contextually appropriate. I respect that - by Noah Haders (3621429) on Wednesday July 29, 2015

    APK

    P.S.=> YER OUTNUMBERED DOZENS TO 1 - toss on 100,000++ users of my program worldwide too... apk

  50. On ArseHOLETechnica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them).

    Right AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "The great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    In effete retaliation they edited my posts & impersonated me on their little private playpen of UNDERACHIEVER losers.

    APK

    P.S.=> ABOVE ALL ELSE: Thanks for outing yourself as 1 of the "few, the defeated" from arseHOLEtechnica - always a pleasure exposing your lame asses (that are nothing more than do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" THAT CAN'T STAND THEMSELVES for it (lol, no shit) & that you are REDUCED to STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too... lmao!)... apk

  51. On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject & the above on a FAT, SHORT LIAR from podunk idaho... apk

  52. On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject & above on a FAT, SHORT LIAR from podunk idaho... apk

  53. Re:I hope you didn't chose one company and invest by quanminoan · · Score: 1

    >> Heck, even if they successfully build one, the company will fail if someone else builds a better one, or builds a similar one sooner.

    With this mentality I don't think you'd be comfortable investing in any company.

  54. Parallel Processing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, much of what you are saying is correct. However there is a giant bag-full of performance left on the table for so much software. The bag consists of appropriate parallel programming techniques.

    It is actually not all that hard to stamp out cookie cutter cores and print ever more of them onto the silicon dies. Yes it requires processor interlinks and a decent caching hierarchy, but let's not overstate this requirement either; we've been doing both for a long time now.

    For too long the lack of competent software parallelism meant that the CPU manufacturers could go slow on rolling out more cores in their commercial offerings. And the lack of high core counts meant the programmers/ISVs could go slow on adopting parallel methodologies. There are also hints that one particular CPU manufacturer deliberately slowed down core rollouts for marketing and financial reasons.

    What I'm trying to say is, there is a viable answer out there. We don't just have to accept that "Moore's Law is dead" and give up.

    Could VR benefit from parallel software? Damn straight it could!

  55. APK decided to prove he is a retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alexander Peter Kowalski decided to prove to everyone he is a retard by repeating a bunch of his disproved lies yet again. He has nothing and is a loser and doesn't want it being exposed but just can't resist acting like the total retard he is.

    1. Re:APK decided to prove he is a retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Schrock you are projecting you don't want it exposed APK got the better of you and you failed against him making you the loser here.

    2. Re: APK decided to prove he is a retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is this shit?

      Someone explain this elaborate spam to me?!

    3. Re: APK decided to prove he is a retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK is a retard. Everything he says is at best a half truth but mostly is a lie, either outright or by omission. When it gets pointed out Alexander Peter Kowalski will flip out and spam his lies again because he is a retard even though they were pointed out to be lies with links showing this. Then he will often reply unsigned in an attempt to make it look like he actually has support. Furthermore he maintains a list of enemies which is basically anyone who rightfully made him look like the fool he actually is and will stalk and harass them for years. Note his obsession with ArsTechnica and Thor Schrock, but there are many others even here like Khyber, BarbHudson, Zontar The Mindless, etc. that he has stalked and in general been a raging asshole to. All in all APK is slashdot's example of why untreated mental illness is a bad thing.

    4. Re: APK decided to prove he is a retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say it's bad to reply unidentifiably anonymously not even signing like APK does but yet it's ok for you to do it hypocrite pot calling a kettle black? You're the liar.

  56. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am still waiting on SecondLife to deliver the 3D web.

  57. Investing, not gambling. Walmart, P&G, Wrigley by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I'm not comfortable *gambling* my retirement on any company that has never produced a saleable product.

    I *invest* in companies which regularly produce good and profitable products and have continued to do so for a log time. Companies like Proctor & Gamble, Walmart, Quaker Oats, etc. If P&G's new product, Tide Ultra Max, doesn't do well that's okay. They'll continue to do just fine as a company.

  58. Re: LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOLOLOLOL. You post a bunch of tounge in cheek troll post to back up your claims?

    What a stupid niggar u are.

  59. Re:Investing, not gambling. Walmart, P&G, Wrig by quanminoan · · Score: 1

    Fair enough. I'm more on the investing = gambling side of things.

  60. Re: LOL! You won't answer & /.ers talk 4 me #6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only troll readers here see is you stalking apk by unidentifiable anonymous posts. That's the best you have against 35 registered slashdot users good reviews of apk's work? You have failed.

  61. c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: his FAKEname on a post impersonating me https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & altering /.er's words.

    c6gunner tried to mock me 1st https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    So I challenge c6gunner to show he did better work than mine & he CAN'T!

    YOU DEMAND PROOF of others here?

    "I've yet to see you provide any evidence of that." by c6gunner on Monday March 15, 2010 @10:02PM (#31490942) ?

    So now I DEMAND IT OF YOU & YOU FAIL!

    c6gunner = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!

    * c6gunner's LYING saying I did a MacOS X one - I haven't yet & c6gunner's LYING impersonating me hosts work vs. Intel CPU issues (spectre/meltdown).

    APK

    P.S.=> You say hosts = shit here https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?

    FACTS: /.ers & security pros + RESULTS say DIFFERENT:

    1st: /.ers https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments....

    2nd: SECURITY PROS https://slashdot.org/comments....

    3rd: REAL RESULTS w/ hosts vs. threats https://slashdot.org/comments....

    EAT YOUR WORDS!