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Number of Robocalls Placed in the US Surged By 50 Percent in the First Half of This Year (nbcnews.com)

An anonymous reader has shared an NBC report, which explores the state of robocalls in the United States. The report, which shares several anecdotes, also cites data from YouMail, a company that provides voicemail and call-blocking services, according to which the number of robocalls placed nationwide increased by 50 percent from February to July this year. From the report: Robo-dialed and unwanted telemarketing calls were the top consumer complaint to the Federal Communications Commission last year, and they are again this year. This puts those complaints ahead of billing disputes, service availability and program indecency.

Not all robocalls are bad. Some, like appointment reminders and flight updates, are usually welcome. But robocall scams, such as the wave of calls that targeted Chinese communities this spring, can be harmful. According to news reports, more than 30 consumers in New York City were tricked out of an estimated $3 million by callers pretending to be from the Chinese consulate and demanding money to settle a criminal matter.

According to YouMail, scams made up about 40 percent of the 4.4 billion robocalls placed to Americans in September. Not all area codes are equal: Phone owners with a 404 area code (Atlanta) on average received 68 robocalls in September. That's much higher than the next-worst area code, 202 in Washington, D.C., which got an average of 49 robocalls the same month.

147 comments

  1. Health Insurance by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 3, Funny

    I sometimes answer these calls trying to keep them on the phone as long as possible. Yesterday I answered a call offering me wonderful health insurance options.

    I pressed 1 to say I was interested. I answered the question of my zip code of a bogus one in my area. The caller verified the zip code was in NY and stated "You should know that you can't purchase health insurance over the phone in NY". I didn't know that as I have insurance through my employer.

    I responded with "Why did you spam call a NY number then?" The helpful agent called me a name and hung up.

    1. Re:Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this explains why I've been getting so many phone calls the last couple months. My phone is forever on silent and they call me during work hours so I never answer on time. Obviously what they're trying to tell me isn't that important because they never leave a message.

      Next time I get one of these calls I might do what you're doing and try to stall them as long as possible. I realize some of these people might just be honest workers trying to earn a living but by golly they are annoying me to no end.

    2. Re:Health Insurance by tsqr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I sometimes answer these calls trying to keep them on the phone as long as possible.

      You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of robocalls. It's a recorded message. There is no one there to "keep on the phone as long as possible".

    3. Re:Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is if you act interested and get a human there is. Hit 0 if you have to.

    4. Re:Health Insurance by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      I got one of those last week. The guy asked why I was trying to get health insurance (after they called me, smh) and I said "Because I'm really sick". He hung up.

    5. Re:Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      immediately press 0123456789 and get forwarded to a real person.

    6. Re: Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If itâ(TM)s a person, I say âoehelloâ then put my phone down on my desk and get back to what I was doing. The usually waste a minute going through their script. If you have to press a number for an operator I always do.

    7. Re: Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and half that increase was in calls to me. Fucking denial of service attack it is. They can take down silk road one, two and three but they can't stop these asshats?

      Federal law enforcement priorities seen to be mislpaced. Telemarketers are far worse than tweekers or junkies.

    8. Re:Health Insurance by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 1

      Do you count an incoming call that has a recorded message that ends with "press 1 on the keypad to find out more information (i.e. get connected to a telemarketer) or press 2 to be added to our do not call list) to be a robocall?

      That is the type of call I was referring to. When I do choose to answer my cell phone from an unknown number, I've been getting one of the following:
      1. Offers for a discounted vacation package from Marriott.
      2. Offers for extended car warranty
      3. Offers for health insurance.

    9. Re:Health Insurance by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      It's a bad idea to talk to these people at all. A new trick is to ask you if you are interested. When you say "yes" they record it. Then they sign up up and charge you a large amount.

      The merely slimey ones use your "yes" integrated into a fake conversation to eventually take you to courts for breaking a contract, and get the court to make you pay.

      The outright criminal ones already have your account information before they call you and yank the money right then, using the recorded "yes" as a get out of jail card if they're caught.

    10. Re:Health Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There has been no evidence of that happening, and it sounds like the razorblades in candy myth. Your voice is not authorization. Your personal details, card info, and signature are authorization. Not to mention such a scam would be noticed within minutes.

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/can-you-hear-me-scam/

    11. Re:Health Insurance by tsqr · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, I've never received a call like that, but I always hang up and block the number as soon as it becomes apparent that it''s a recording, so who knows?

      I know that some people get a kick out of playing string-along games with telemarketers; seems like a pointless waste of time to me.

  2. Chinese Robocalls by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    That explains those calls I was getting to my Google Voice number. I was trying to record them so my friend could translate but could never get my record app fired up in time.

    At least Stacy with travel rewards speaks English. I just keep pressing zero until she goes away or transfers me to a real person that I anoy with my interest.

  3. Is someone using bots to train their AI? by rsborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or are the scammers just trying to get our voiceprint to bypass the new "your voice patterns are stored to secure your account details" BS that credit card companies are now rolling out?

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    1. Re:Is someone using bots to train their AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard about this. Makes me think I should answer numbers I don't recognize with a fake accent.

    2. Re:Is someone using bots to train their AI? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      That's what I do. I answer in my gringo Spanish with a fake Mexican accent. Sometimes the recordings don't even play.

      However, I'd be better to simply know not to answer, and even better to not be interrupted in meetings or while I'm having quality time with the fam.

      AI desperately seeking your data...

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    3. Re:Is someone using bots to train their AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just download one of those old Arnold Schwarzenegger sound boards.

      "Get to da choppah!"

    4. Re:Is someone using bots to train their AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never answer hello anymore or gods forbid Yes. I use "identify please". the machines almost never answer they are waiting for hello. If you want to have fun announce "this is a secure number please prepare code key or disconnect"

    5. Re: Is someone using bots to train their AI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've suspected this as well, particuarly with the tech capabilitirs now. IMO, be especially careful about answering with affirmative statements, "yes" even "thank you/thanks".

      They could take a yes and "no thanks" and,have audio cut of "Yes, Thanks". And who knows what that could lead to.

    6. Re:Is someone using bots to train their AI? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points for this. I'm a paranoid fuck and I didn't even think to think that way about it. You're a fucking genius. It's probably a good thing you never tried meth.

  4. Yes it did by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am getting multiple robocalls a day though, thank goodness for spam call blocker apps that keep almost all of them from reaching me... starting to think about a complete whitelist approach, as terrible as whitelists are it may be the only way to weather the storm.

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    1. Re:Yes it did by lgw · · Score: 1

      spam call blocker apps

      How do those work? Do they actually keep your phone from ringing? Can you recommend one?

      Robocalls to me are exemplary of the problem with regulation. I'll take big-government politicians seriously on the day that can actually stop robocalls (including their own), just like I'll take small-government politicians seriously on the day one of them eliminates the TSA. Until then I assume they only differ on who gets the bribe money.

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    2. Re:Yes it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been white listing in phone calls for a LONG time. The only surprise to me is that the robocalls only increased 50%. At one point I was getting 5 a day. Robocalls outnumber real calls by a ludicrous amount.

    3. Re:Yes it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robocalls are convenient application of common carrier status. Carriers could stop robocalls if they wanted to, but robocallers are paying customers.

    4. Re:Yes it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whitelists are terrible? You're terrible.

    5. Re:Yes it did by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      How do those work? Do they actually keep your phone from ringing? Can you recommend one?

      They two that I use are Hiya and Nomorobo.

      The way they work (on an iPhone) is you go into the phone settings, and can enable access to call data for specific apps - then after that the applications can block the calls.

      There are a number of options for Hiya, where you can either have it block calls outright (no ringing), or warn you about them by changing caller ID to say "Scam Likely".

      Both of them have a subscription fee to keep current with the block list, I think around $4-$5/month.

      The reason I use both is that I like features from both of them - Hiya can block any number that matches the first six digits of my phone number, which is a particular kind of scam I was seeming to get a lot. NoMoRobo is nice because I think it may have a more comprehensive list, and I can use "share contact" to submit a number to NoMoRobo for blocking so that others might get the benefit of blocking that number before it can call too many times. That feature is I think why it may have a slightly more up to date list of scammers, since it gets user feedback about numbers to block.

      If I had to recommend just one, it would probably be Hiya because of the different levels of blocking you can choose.

      On a side note blocked calls can still leave voice mail, but they go into a "blocked" folder in voice mail you can review later in case something was blocked that should not have been.

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    6. Re:Yes it did by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Robocalls to me are exemplary of the problem with regulation. I'll take big-government politicians seriously on the day that can actually stop robocalls (including their own), just like I'll take small-government politicians seriously on the day one of them eliminates the TSA. Until then I assume they only differ on who gets the bribe money.

      I doubt this is even about big vs small government, if you wanted to you could just follow the money and find the crooks, or at least block it upstream. The problem in the US is that you got two pro-business parties with differently fringed colors and zero pro-consumer parties (with any power, at least). Here in Norway I got a total of zero robot calls in the last year. We had a round of "Microsoft" scammers earlier calling from England (+44) but they all but disappeared. I think our telecoms get enough spam reports and say either you drop the spammers or we drop your calls. It's not as unsolvable as it seems if the right people want it to be solved.

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    7. Re:Yes it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And you're not in my contact list, so leave a message.

    8. Re:Yes it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do those work?

      Far as I can tell, it embeds itself into the phone such that it decides if it will drop the call, or allow it through to ring (or at least hang up on it immediately).

      Do they actually keep your phone from ringing?

      The one I have on my ancient Android phone with no data plan and no access to wifi does, it's literally being used like an old phone with no internet connection. I can block from call history, SMS history, or by wildcards ... there are entire area codes which can't call me because I don't know anybody who lives there and have received spam calls allegedly from there. My wife has something similar on her Nexus phone.

      Can you recommend one?

      A google for "Android Call Blocker" got me this as the first hit.

      If you don't have one of these, they're pretty awesome in terms of being able to block the garbage.

    9. Re:Yes it did by lgw · · Score: 1

      The problem in the US is that you got two pro-business parties with differently fringed colors and zero pro-consumer parties (with any power, at least).

      That's it, all right. It's a bit more subtle (and worse) in that they're pro-huge-business. I'd be all for a "pro-business" party, if it were "pro-small company", but there's none of that.

      Both US parties are coalitions, of course, and this is one of the seams where the coalitions are breaking apart - voters are willing to put up with anyone, even Trump or Bernie, to attempt to avoid the established groups. Both sides have voters very upset with this blatant pro-huge-company bias.

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    10. Re:Yes it did by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      ...starting to think about a complete whitelist approach...

      I'd be reluctant to go that rout if I were you. It's not uncommon for various doctors from my health care plan (VA) to call me on their own cell phones rather than use the VA's lines simply because it's easier for them and you're going to want those calls to get through.

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    11. Re:Yes it did by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Yep it's stuff like that which makes me very reluctant to go full whitelist. So far its not really bad enough to shut down all calls, if robocalling continues to get worse I may have to go that way though.

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    12. Re:Yes it did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Set the default ringtone for the phone to silent. Assign a non-silent ringtone to each number in your contacts.

      Any non-contact phone number does not ring the phone and eventually goes to voicemail - if they let it ring enough.

    13. Re:Yes it did by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      On Android you can have any phone call not in your contacts list go directly to voice mail. It can be set to vibrate anyway, if you want to actually know when you get one of these calls.

      I've found that legitimate calls: doctor's office, kid's school, old friend from collage, whose number you no long have; will leave a message and you can get back to them.

      Robocallers drop the call as soon as it get transferred.

      Best feature ever.

  5. go figure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is capitalism at work folks

  6. Big government was supposed to fix robocalling!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the telemarketing via robocalling has been illegal for years, but Big Government didn't actually solve the problem.

    I know you are all shocked -- not.

    Yet, even with the constraint stream of Big Government failures, the "progressives" keep trying to push more to Big Government...where no problems are actually solved.

    Oh...and the Do Not Call Registry appears to have become a target list for telemarketers.

    Have a nice day.

  7. I have a US phone number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't received even one spam call on it. What are you guys doing to attract that many calls?

    1. Re:I have a US phone number by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Nothing -- that's the problem.

      Worse is when the call "appears" to be coming from your phone number. Really? How am I supposed to block that? And aren't the telcos flagging the spammers doing this? Oh wait, because they don't care about spam as long as they get paid. /sarcasm

    2. Re:I have a US phone number by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

      Nothing, really. I recently got a new work phone, and while I have hardly ever used it and never put the number out in public I get a significant amount of spam calls on it. The majority are in what I believe to be Chinese, which in all honesty makes them more amusing than annoying.

    3. Re:I have a US phone number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand this at all. I have had the number for over a year, and it does not get any calls, except for the expected legitimate ones. It's a Callcentric VoIP number, but my understanding is that all numbers in the North American Number Plan are created equal, so shouldn't I be just as likely to get spam calls as you get on a mobile number?

    4. Re:I have a US phone number by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Callcentric has incoming call filtering capabilities that work quite well (if you enable them). When I check the logs I see numerous calls that were sent to voicemail (my preference; other actions are available) and usually, though not always, those callers don't leave any voicemail. Non-spam non-scam calls get routed to my cell phone.

  8. So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't even answer my land line anymore. it's just for calling out. It's always a robocall coming in.

    Now my cell phone gets 5 a day. Since I do bussiness on my phone I sort of have to answer numbers I don't know. I loath this invasion because it's so disruptive.

    What I want is an answering service that
    1. asks the caller to press a specific digit if they are human and know me.
    2. A single button on my iphone that reports the caller to the Feds or anyplace that could class-action these mofo.

    I don't want to have to cobble that together. I want it built into the android or iphone as a universal feature. If it was universal we stand a chance of making a dent in their bussiness model.

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  9. Same here, calls every day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not block these at carrier level? It is obviously against federal law and will face class action eventually. We can add this in together with bringing back neutrality. Responsibility among our carriers is absent

  10. I went though the prompts on one .. by oic0 · · Score: 1

    I got got irritated and wanted to waste their time too. I got an English speaking person with no accent. They sounded like a US citizen. That's what bothered me the most. This crap should be shut down by now.

    1. Re:I went though the prompts on one .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I got got irritated and wanted to waste their time too.

      Careful with going through those prompts, you could only be confirming a valid number, and get even more calls.

      I've also heard you might trigger a call to a 'premium' pay to call if you press buttons or try to call back and you get a huge hit on your bill (think a 976 number for instance).

      This crap should be shut down by now.

      Good luck with that. Many of these calls have been shown to originate from the exact same call centre as legit companies outsource their crap to.

      As long as the industry can convince the lawmakers that they need to be allowed to do caller ID spoofing for their supposedly legitimate calls, the companies who use these call centres in India (or wherever) have created a condition where they insist their 'real' calls outweighs our ability to not receive calls with fake caller ID. Literally industry demands that this bullshit be possible so they can save money, and lawmakers have agreed.

      The now entrenched of outsourcing customer support to idiots in call centres where there is cheap labour is precisely why this crap hasn't been shut down.

      If you see a number you don't recognize don't answer, and don't be so sure that wasting their time won't cause you even more grief.

  11. Sanction India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Most of these are from India. The Indian govt does nothing to crack down on these scams. Sanction India as a country, watch it get cleaned up overnight. Heavy handed but the govt doesn't seem to care because they are in on it.

  12. I gave up by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Informative

    Robocalls, telemarketers, et al are the reason I just quit answering my phone.

    Unless the number shows up as a known number from my contacts, I just let it go to voicemail.
    I don't even bother to try anymore.

    We really need a whitelist app that functions like an ACL. If the number isn't on the list, it goes
    directly to voicemail without ringing.

    Question is: Will the phone makers even allow such an app to exist ?

    1. Re:I gave up by InterGuru · · Score: 1

      Call Blocker by Vlad Lee blocks all calls not on your contact list. Of course, this means they have access to your contact list.

    2. Re:I gave up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS has Do Not Disturb settings to only accept calls from numbers in your contact list.

    3. Re:I gave up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here is how you "deal with it"

      Set your default ringtone to "silence"
      Create a "known contacts" group with what ever ringtone you want to use.
      Assign all your contacts to the "known contacts" group you just created.

      I know we shouldn't have to do this and yes it does require upkeep. Is it better than the alternative, well, that's up to you to decide.

    4. Re:I gave up by Bourdain · · Score: 1

      I just started getting a large number of such calls which are really quite distracting - thankfully I don't have to pick them up as I know they are clearly robocalls (my business doesn't involve calls to my cell phone from otherwise unknown numbers)

      In doing a bit of research, it appears there are essentially three approaches:

      (1) on an iphone with ios 11 or 12, it supports a variety of apps which integrate with the phone app to filter obvious robocalls
      (2) on android phones, there are a bunch more options than with an iphone
      (3) on any phone --> my simple approach since I don't want to update my ios (and consequently break my relatively smoothly operating iphone), is to just set my default vibration/ring to silent and set the 20 or so real contacts on my phone who I'd pick up from if there were to call with a custom ringtone of a normal ring tone with vibration (i.e., a manual whitelist process - took me 5 minutes maybe and I'm no longer bothered a few times per day with having to check my pocket).

    5. Re:I gave up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On Android at least, you can put it in "do not disturb" mode but allow numbers on your contact list get through. This achieves exactly what you're asking for. I keep my phone in do not disturb like this 24-hours a day.

    6. Re:I gave up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course, this means they have access to your contact list.

      This would be fine if Android allowed us to outright block "any" internet access.
      Most gurus fail to notice that the decoy option promising "blocking" of "full internet access" permissions doesn't mean what Google carefully worded it like as misdirection.

      You'd think that with all the touting of app privilege blocking for location, contact list, sensor data and [external SD] storage we'd get that extra tickmark to block "any and all" net / radio / wifi connections as a logical extension of the same spirit of enforcing our rights to leave and app deaf, mute and blind... but that would block phoning home and freemium app ads by default. It thus kills ads better than our current ad-blocker models where blacklists require root (except for an emerging use of dns blacklists via VPN apis) and must be refreshed to stay current.

    7. Re:I gave up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hiya on iPhone (maybe android) can be configured to only allow contacts through. It also has options of blocking or alerting to an ever-updating list of robocall numbers. It can even warn/block "neighbor" calls (those with the same first 6 numbers as yours).

      Since installing it, I went from 1-2 robocalls per day to maybe one sneaking through every few weeks.

  13. Surprising by dtmos · · Score: 1

    The surge was only 50%?

  14. Don't know if it helps, but ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... I report all my spam calls to the FTC National Do Not Call Registry Report Unwanted Calls site. Both my cell and home landline are registered for Do Not Call, but it seems only my cell gets any. Perhaps Cox is blocking the spam calls on my landline...

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    1. Re:Don't know if it helps, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Cox isn't doing antyhing. Verizon or AT&T or whoever is selling your info for your mobile line.

      Advertisers don't bother with landlines anymore, the gullible all have cell phones as their primary point of contact.

    2. Re:Don't know if it helps, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, the phone numbers of the spam calls, especially if they're from your local area code, are most likely spoofed. Caller ID is worth nothing. There is no verification. It is trivial to spoof. And it's why so many people are annoyed, irritated, and upset that the telcos and FCC have not taken any steps to rectify the problem.

    3. Re:Don't know if it helps, but ... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I report repeat offenders, or any of them that just piss me off. All of our numbers have been registered since DNC list first came out. As for Cox (here in VA), they haven't been of any help with my landline, even though I pay them an additional fee to block unwanted calls. I'm going to look into some of the tools mentioned here.

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  15. All robocalls are bad by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Not all robocalls are bad. Some, like appointment reminders and flight updates, are usually welcome

    If you want to send me an appointment reminder or flight update, just send an SMS.

    1. Re:All robocalls are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who runs a legal dialer for an acutal purpose (debt recovery, not tele-sales). We looked into utilizing SMS as a reminder system for payment arrangements. You would be amazed the cost associated with it even on a mass scale. Phone calls are just infinitely cheaper.

    2. Re:All robocalls are bad by hawguy · · Score: 1

      As someone who runs a legal dialer for an acutal purpose (debt recovery, not tele-sales). We looked into utilizing SMS as a reminder system for payment arrangements. You would be amazed the cost associated with it even on a mass scale. Phone calls are just infinitely cheaper.

      I set up an alert system for a former employer Twillio has a straightforward API, and charges $0.0075 per short code SMS message. If you're sending hundreds of thousands of messages, your aggregate bill may be expensive, but it's still less than a penny per reminder.

    3. Re: All robocalls are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those fuckers initiate millions of contacts a day, using autodialers and transferring to one of their drones only after making sure they are not wasting their own time with machines.

      Every phone should have a "reverse the charges" option you can trigger with one button. Friend calls you? Don't hit it. Spammer calls you? Hit it. Make them pay.

      Debt collector working by phone mostly deal with 90+% zombie debt, debt that is not legally owed because their is no proof of actual agreement. The "debt" is an Excel sheet with a similar name, a wrong number and a fictitious value. Genuine debt collectors use postal mail, where it is a felony to commit fraud, and thus fly by night, fraudulent collection agencies can be prosecuted.

    4. Re:All robocalls are bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who sends me an unsolicited SMS ought to be lined up and shot. That includes appointment reminders. It's the only thing worse than a robocall.

  16. I don't want a third part app by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    I should add that I don't want those features from a third party because I'm not interested in sharing my calling receiving habits with anyone other than my telephone provider. THus I want the phone to handle the intercept and reporting itself not route my calls to nomorobo or someone who is making money off knowing who I take calls from. Yes verizin probably also monetizes me but they also charge me for the phone too so I think they are less inclined to burn me since selling me out egregiously is not their main profit center.

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    1. Re: I don't want a third part app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Should I answer on Android" does things right: it downloads a blacklist periodically and you don't have to send them any data. You can opt to send unknown callers to them, but that's up to you.

  17. Against my better judgment... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Against my better judgment, and for the first time in months, I actually answered a call from an unknown number a few days ago. The call was coming in on my wife's phone, which I was holding for her at the time as I waited for her to finish up with whatever it was that was indisposing her. She's been getting multiple robocalls every day, so I was expecting more of the same. Honestly, I'm not even sure why I answered, since I was absolutely convinced it was a robocall. Maybe I was just bored.

    Pausing the show I was watching on my tablet, I tentatively raised the phone and said, "Hello", intentionally withholding my name or any other identifying information that could be sold for profit or otherwise used by someone unscrupulous.

    "Hello, is this Mr. [my last name]?", came the reply from a real human being speaking in a perfect American accent. Talk about odd and unexpected, especially so since they were asking for me specifically, but they were calling my wife's phone.

    "Yes, this is he."

    "Oh, good. We've been trying to reach you on your phone for the last 10 minutes, but the call hasn't gone through. This is the nurse's station at the hospital. Your wife is out of surgery and awake. You can bring your things from the waiting area and come back to see her in room Blue-3 now."

    Right. I was supposed to be expecting a call from an unknown number...

    1. Re:Against my better judgment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is such a strange story. You should mention that your phone had been ringing a lot as you sat there waiting. Also, why doesn't a nurse or someone just come and get you from the waiting room? They're phoning you from... down the hallway?

    2. Re:Against my better judgment... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      My phone wasn’t ringing. The call really just wasn’t going through for some reason. A voice mail from them came through about 10 minutes later on my phone. And yeah, they were basically calling from down the hall and around a corner.

  18. former telephone salesman here by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    many many decades ago I was a telephone solicitor. The worst thing you can do for these people is try to keep them on the line. Don't think about hurting the poor slob. If you make sales less lucrative the companies will have to pay these people more per sale. They will earn the same in the end but the employers will be hurt by using a spam model.

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    1. Re:former telephone salesman here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ages ago, I had friends who did the same thing in college. Hangups or rude outbursts were fine, but the worst thing, the nightmare among nightmares, were slow people who wasted your time. You got raises or got fired by the number of people you had signed up per hour, and one schmuck taking up your time was taking your paycheck.

      Of course, the trick was to sign people up regardless... you got raises for a bit, and you were so separated from legal that you wouldn't get fired.

    2. Re:former telephone salesman here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      many many decades ago I was a telephone solicitor. The worst thing you can do for these people is try to keep them on the line. Don't think about hurting the poor slob. If you make sales less lucrative the companies will have to pay these people more per sale. They will earn the same in the end but the employers will be hurt by using a spam model.

      No, absolutely not.

      I'm sure you're going to throw some reason out there why such people have no choice what so ever to take any other job than one requiring them to be an asshole.
      But the simply fact of the matter is, no matter what the reason, if you take a job requiring you to be an asshole, you have NO reason or expectations not to be treated like the asshole you are being.

      So you "have no choice", fine that sucks to be in such a situation, but that doesn't change anything.
      The only difference would be "I have no choice but to be an asshole" instead of "I want to be an asshole"

      In the end, their actions are still that of an asshole.
      There is simply no justification for not expecting to be treated as a person being an asshole.

      If that really honestly is the only job you can get and there is no other way to find money to eat and exist, any thinking and partially intelligent person certainly realizes that translates into "I can only get this one type of job where I will be treated like an asshole"

      You complain the workers will get paid less. It really should be looked upon as "less is better than nothing", because nearly everyone else desires such companies to not be able to exist in the first place, and a company that doesn't exist can't pay employees they don't have anything.
      So to most people, so long as "making less" is a number above zero, we already think they are making too much at a job that shouldn't be.

      Besides, there are plenty of other really really shitty jobs out there that don't require one to be an asshole. Are there really so many people out there that physically or mentally can not perform those crappy jobs, yet are specifically capable of using a phone?

    3. Re: former telephone salesman here by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Wow. Some deep irony here. YOU are an asshole.

    4. Re:former telephone salesman here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one schmuck taking up your time was taking your paycheck

      Victim blaming now? You're the schmuck here, so go fuck yourself you piece of shit. You don't get to call people up to sell shit to them or to scam them.

      I'd love to meet up with you and your little buddies in a dark alley some time. I'll snap your weak little spines in half.

  19. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    How would you report the caller? The number is spoofed.

  20. i get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3 to 5 per day. "scam likely" should just be renamed "scam".

  21. Sorry to Bother You. by mspohr · · Score: 1

    You should really watch the movie "Sorry to Bother You". It's a dystopian telemarketer movie.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5...

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  22. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How would you report the caller? The number is spoofed.

    You collect 5000 examples of this spoofing, then you sue Verizon for allowing spoofing.

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  23. It's gotten out of control... by bblb · · Score: 1

    Democrats trying to drum up support... all year I've been getting 3-4 robocalls per week from various democrats looking for support against Trump or donations or stumping for votes. Probably 2-3 text messages per month too.

    1. Re:It's gotten out of control... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, but for most political parties. ESPECIALLY Republicans, in my area. Turns out political calls are exempt from the do-not-call list! In fact, not only are the exempt, but they apparently use the do-not-call list to gather up phone numbers TO call...

    2. Re: It's gotten out of control... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a text Iâ(TM)ve gotten from various number six times this week:

      PENDING: YOUR APPLICATION. Pres. Trump needs you to request your absentee ballot before the deadline. Request it here >> https://vote.gop/15IN

  24. How to defeat them. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Robocalls are annoying but they rely on the fact that most people will hang up or ignore the call. The "take me off you list" option just gets you on another persons list, so I've discovered the best way (sans legislation) is to answer the call and press '1' immediately then '2' and put your phone back in your pocket. This will get you connected to a call center and waste about five seconds of their time before they hang up. It requires almost no effort to do this and imposes a slight penalty. If more people actually do this, it will have serious impact on their bottom line.

    Simply ignoring robocalls wont fix the issue.

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    1. Re:How to defeat them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Simply ignoring robocalls wont fix the issue."

      I ignore all calls, if it is important they can leave a message, otherwise they can fuck off.

    2. Re:How to defeat them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More and more calls nowadays are being handled by basic AI systems which use human-sounding auto-attendants to walk you through a Q&A and only hand you off to a human to close the deal. Within a few years, the entire call, from "hello" to sale/hangup will be handled by computer. Just like email spam, technology has reduced the human cost required to initiate the transaction to nearly zero.

    3. Re:How to defeat them. by gtall · · Score: 1

      At that point, it would be interesting to see a company fielding an AI app which would dick with the AI app calling...shades of the Electric Monk...for those of you who recall that gem.

    4. Re:How to defeat them. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1
  25. Its the local number spoofing that is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much of the crap I get on my phone is scammers spoofing local numbers to get me to answer. Seems like this should be something that could be solved with technology. Where you can at least see the actual number that is placing the call and if its not available then be able to block all those types of calls. The robocalls just make this call spamming a lot easier for the scammers, and its getting worse not better.

  26. Superfag Ken Doll you will suffer for your lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Superfag Ken Doll you will suffer for your lies

  27. I blame climate change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good old cow farts. You conspiracy theorists will believe anything.

  28. Funny that a worthless propagandist like Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would get spammed by an as-worthless spammer and he'd complain about it. You would think he'd try to get a date with the robofaggot, they could compare notes as frauds. There will be consequences for your lies Ken Doll.

  29. No SMS, use email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't send me an SMS, that still demands my immediate attention. Send an email and I will see it when I am ready to.

  30. Funny that a worthless propagandist like Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would get spammed by an as-worthless spammer and he'd complain about it. You would think he'd try to get a date with the robofaggot, they could compare notes as frauds. You will suffer consequences for your propaganda Ken Doll.

  31. Re:Big government was supposed to fix robocalling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the matter, not getting your mail? How about your weather reports; have they not been accurate enough for you? Too many potholes on the interstate? Have you been consuming poisonous food and drugs? Or perhaps you think our military are inadequately armed? Social security and Medicare not being run to your liking ? Maybe you should consider voting for the people who know how to run big government instead of the people trying to destroy it because the corporations don't want to pay for it.

  32. so dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are about the dumbest person on Earth if you are "tricked" into giving money to some random caller claiming anything at all that requires you to send them money. If legitimate bill collectors are calling you should know who they are. Regardless you ALWAYS call back anyone who wants any information from you at a number you lookup.

  33. yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1, Informative

    after governor fuckshit got elected in wisconsin, and went all republican on the fraud laws, getting a lot of calls from there.

    1. Re:yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get that you must blame "the other team" for all the faults of everything, but don't believe the phone number. If any of these calls are coming from the US I'd be surprised, thus any fraud laws wouldn't apply anyway. I get ones that only differ from my phone number by the last 4 numbers, and if you answer them, they're all out of India. Yey phone number spoofing!

  34. Plausible deniability by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    companies pay for "leads" which are generated by robo calls. When they get sued by the local Attorney General they say "We had no idea our vendor was engaging in Robocalls, such shock. You'll have to take it up with them as we did nothing wrong".

    Europe has lots of laws that require businesses to police their vendors. In America folks say the laws are unfair and they don't pass. This is the result.

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    1. Re:Plausible deniability by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      Also, the companies just go out of business one day, pop up the next. The ABC logo gets chucked by the XYZ logo after the bankruptcy filing, while all employees and assets are owned by holding companies. No judge will risk their bench seat and pierce the corporate veil, so this type of racket is easy to do and maintain without consequence other than bankrupcy filings and new articles of incorporation.

  35. Straight To Voice Mail by sycodon · · Score: 2

    I use an app on my android to route all numbers not in my contacts list to voice mail.

    My voice mail is a 90 second long screed about all the circumstances under which I will not return a call. It seems to defeat most automated calls since I rarely get a message.

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  36. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What I want are three things:

    1: US telcos to step in and stop CID/ANI spoofing. Every other country in the world, if you get a phone number, it is authentic. You can't just fake numbers from abywhere. This is a trivial step for them, but they just won't bother since it doesn't bring them cash. Stop the spoofing, so robocallers can't keep faking their numbers everywhere they go.

    2: Ability to copy known good contact phone numbers from my phone's contacts to the telco. Any numbers not on that list are given a message, then press a random number to proceed. Wrong number, insta-hangup.

    3: A Do Not Disturb mode with the telco. Calls that are not from registered businesses or on the contact list automatically go to voice mail, and the voice mail alert doesn't get set until the next morning. Add PIN functionality so contacts dialing from a different number can get through.

  37. Death of voice calling - just wait for text... by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    The vehement increase in these this has essentially destroyed the value of voice calls. I just keep my phone's ring set to "off" at all times, because of the 8 phone calls I got yesterday, 0 were legitimate. But at least I can rely on my text messages being safe. But once the scammers realize nobody answers their phones any longer, you can be sure robotext messages will start arriving. I might as well turn off my phone at that point.

    What amazes me is that anybody still does this. Sure, I can imagine a few scammers trying this for a short while and getting away with it. But how many scammers are out that the problem is this bad? Even the most gullible person must be reaching the point where they don't even pick-up any longer unless it is from a number they know.

    1. Re:Death of voice calling - just wait for text... by gtall · · Score: 1

      I guess I live in a cocoon. My landline almost always is shut off except early on weekend mornings when my friends know they can call. I have a feature phone in my brief case but I never turn it on except to check that it works once a month. One time, it vibrated and beeped at me. Puzzled, I discerned it wanted me to listen to a voice message...or text message...well, one of those. So I hit the Lay-It-On-Me button (I forget what I hit) and it wanted my passcode. Hmmm...I have a passcode? At this point, I realized I was in way over my head and hung up. I won't try that again. Right now, AT&T probably has overflowed my voice and text mail limits. They should probably just zero them out of decency...oh, it's AT&T...okay, zero them out just to be mean.

    2. Re:Death of voice calling - just wait for text... by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      It's like email span. Obviously someone is actually giving the Nigerian Prince their bank account number or the spammers wouldn't keep sending out the email

      Obviously someone is actually buying the stuff the robocalls are selling or their customers wouldn't keep paying them.

  38. What the HELL? HOW IS IT ONLY 68? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    68 is barely over 2 calls a day. I get ONLY half a dozen A DAY if I'm lucky! A dozen or more A DAY is commonplace! It's reached the point where I'm blacklisting numbers whenever they are reused. I have to unplug my phone when I want to sleep!

    I gotta say, the ones that leave voicemails, filling up my mailbox, are the worst! And I pay per minute on my cell plan to clean them out.

  39. These spoofed # scam calls are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These spoofed # scam calls are devaluing the telephone.
    I know a good amount of people, myself included, that simply don't answer their personal phone anymore because of these calls.
    For every 1 call that is a friend, expected or genuinely good to receive, I get 9 that are spam. My phone rings all day with spoofed numbers. One of these scammers robo calls is now leaving me voice mails too which means I can no longer ignore them, as I have to listen and then delete them or my vm box will get full.

    I am seriously considering deleting a phone from my life and going email only. txt -> email and email -> txt is straightforward for every mobile carrier these days, right?

  40. Created filters using MacroDroid by EnOne · · Score: 1

    I found an app called MacroDroid where I was able to have actions happen depending on if a number is in my contacts list.
    1. if a number I'm being called from is not in my contacts it changes the ringer to silent and disables vibration.
    2. after a missed call it changes the ringer back and turns on vibration

    I wish this was part of Android itself but this will work for now

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  41. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real take-away here is that a /.'er has a land line still.

  42. Get a new phone. Don't set up voicemail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got a new phone, didn't set up voicemail. Robocallers spoof local exchange numbers now, so I never answer anything that doesn't match a named entry in my contacts list. With this method I've been able to keep my robocall count below five per day, on my present phone (same number for eighteen months now).

    But it seems (based on previous experience) answering just once with the word "hello" unleashes a flurry of new calls. So obviously the call centers -- let's call them Indian call centers, presumptively -- share up-to-date database info with phone number rankings.

  43. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just put your iPhone in 'do not disturb' mode and only allow calls from contacts or numbers calling back within three minutes. Try it for a few days and send all the numbers to your cellular provider and FCC. Demand that they do something about it. At a minimum, you will have a list of phone numbers to block. If it is an important call they will either call back or leave a message. We could wait for social media to replace cellular calls or phones to start filtering number like spam. I think social media has a better chance of happening first.

  44. I answer every time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I answer them! For all numbers I don't recognize I wait 2-3 seconds before saying hello which keeps their recordings from playing but the pause doesn't affect humans. This way, the scammer gets charged for 7-30s of call time hurting their business plan.The phone company's network gets loaded as well. If everyone with unlimited minutes did this...I'm sure the scammers would adapt...but also the phone company would actually do something about it when they realize they can cut 75% of their call load.

  45. What I don't get by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Who TF still answers unknown or blocked phone-numbers nowadays?
    (I mean beside actors and screenwriters)

    Your kids us Whatsapp or messenger, your friends too ...

    Are people afraid to miss a call from the famous Nigerian Prince?

    1. Re:What I don't get by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      I own a small business and sometimes get calls from customers.

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    2. Re:What I don't get by houghi · · Score: 1

      I do this all the time. Only once in 10 or 15 years did I get a call trying to sell something to me or ask me something. This was form a company I had a contract with. I asked them to remove me from their marketing list for calls and that was the end of it.

      Of my friends, only one does not take calls from unknown numbers, but not because of robo or marketing calls.

      Disclaimer: I live in Belgium, Europe where cold calling with robocalls is very much restricted and calls will not be free for the caller, especially not to cell phones (although they can be cheap in volume)

      Giving data to an external company is already very restricted and the company will still be responsible, regardless if an external company does the calling. So outsourcing to get around legal issues is not possible.

      This was already the case for many years before GDPR.

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    3. Re:What I don't get by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Who TF still answers unknown or blocked phone-numbers nowadays?

      Anyone who has parents that they're caring for in a nursing home, or hospital does. I get calls all the time from people I don't know, about various issues with my mom. And while you probably don't give a damn, the vast majority of people over 50 aren't using Whatsapp or messenger. Now, GTFO my lawn.

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    4. Re:What I don't get by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "I own a small business and sometimes get calls from customers."

      OK another actor and screenwriter case I guess.

    5. Re:What I don't get by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Disclaimer: I live in Belgium, Europe where cold calling with robocalls is very much restricted and calls will not be free for the caller, especially not to cell phones (although they can be cheap in volume)"

      I'm from Luxembourg myself, I also get rarely such calls, but I never answer them anyway.

  46. It would only take 2 or 3 public executions ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this shit would fucking stop.

  47. SMS Spam by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to log that 2018 is the first year I started receiving spam SMS. Not a lot, but a few. I'd also like to report, I have stopped telemarketers from calling me.

    My secret? Abusive behavior. Lots of swearing and belittling the human on the other end of the phone, encouraging them to question their life's choices. They stopped calling.

    And no, no sympathy for telemarketers. You sign up for that job and call me, I will run you into the ground.

    1. Re:SMS Spam by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I'm gonna call BS. Your internet toughguy approach isn't going to stop any telemarketer.

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  48. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We stop using SS7 and IPv4 altogether in favor of IPv6 with a geoblocking limitation on spoofing. That way, the local doctor or school automated calls can still get through using local spoofing, while the calls from other states, provinces and countries (India) will not.

  49. Re:What the HELL? HOW IS IT ONLY 68? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The numbers are normally spoofed. Blocking them, blacklisting them, reporting them is useless. I have had people call me and leave nasty voicemails regarding me robocalling them. I have had my own number robocall me.

    The solution was easy. Once I moved, I kept my old number. All my new contacts had the new area code. The robocalls kept coming, but from the old area code...

  50. FBI, FCC... what good are ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have all of our lines tapped and they can't do anything about it? I'm calling BS! What good are they?

  51. Re:What the HELL? HOW IS IT ONLY 68? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    I gotta say, the ones that leave voicemails, filling up my mailbox, are the worst!

    Can't you just let it fill up and leave it at that? I have yet to see a human listen to, or intentionally record, a voicemail.

    For some reason phone companies don't let you disable voicemail or make it hard to do so, but since you (at least here) don't pay for storage, you can just ignore it.

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  52. My default ringtone is silent no vibrate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're like me, you only want to talk to the people who are already in your phone contact list. Give those folks an audible ring tone. set your default ringtone to silent, no vibrate. If the caller really needs to get in touch, they generally will leave a phone number, name and reason. Result: no interruptions regardless of how many robocalls I get. The important calls still make it through via voicemail.

  53. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How exactly do you "collect" these intangible examples? With pixie dust and voodoo magic?

    You: "But the call history on my phone shows I received 5000 spam calls!"
    Carrier: "You could have done that yourself."
    You: "No!"
    Carrier: "Actually, yes."
    You: "No! LALALA! I can't hear you!"
    Carrier: "Goodbye." *click*

  54. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For organizations with a real need to spoof, domestic violence shelters for example. Then the spoof should be the non-emergency line of the local police department. All of these spoofs would be pre-registered and authorized.

  55. StraightTalk has the program CallDetector by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    One of the better call blockers, free of charge to it's users.
    http://dsweb.straighttalk.com/...

  56. State Abbreviations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I finally hooked up a a phone line to the modem card on my PC and wrote a slam-bang Delphi
    PGM to answer (Via AT commands) then hang up after 1 second....Here is a part of the 'S##tlist.txt.' my app uses,
    DENVER NC
    BALTIMORE MD
    LUND NV
    SIRIUSXM
    MINDEN NV
        NV
        WA
        AZ
        CA
        AL
        CO
        CT
        DE
        FL
        GA
        ID
        IL
        IN
        IA
        KS
        KY
        LA
        ME
        MD
        MS
        MI
        MN
        MO
        MT
        NC
        NE
        NJ
        NM
        NY
        ND
        NV
        OH
        OK
        OR
        PA
        RI
        SC
        TN
        TX
        UT
        VT
        VA
        WA
        WV
        WI
        WY
    INDIAN SPGS NV
    WELLS FARGO BNK
    Unavailable

                  I have noticed that blocking by phone # is about useless because they use other peoples' numbers and fictitious ID's. They constantly change the numbers. We got one call with my wife's cell # as the caller ID.
    If my pgm sees a state abbreviation in caps preceded by 2 spaces, it does a hang-up.
                  While I also maintain a s##tlist .txt file for phone numbers, rejecting by State Abbreviations has cut annoyance by at least 90%. Especially since I don't know anyone named ' WV' for example.
                  This all makes me wonder how they get their data. They seem to know who calls me also because
    I get calls with trusted numbers but state abbreviations as in the example text.
                    I have read and I believe that the Telcos feign concern over this flood of calling abuse because they
    gain considerable revenue from these operators, plus I suspect they are trying to do away with land-lines
    altogether, so they give the spammers free reign, serving a double purpose. As for "our AG is looking into this,"
    I say "You fool--Do you think Verizon, Charter Rectum or ATT quake in their boots at a mere State AG?"
    (Nevada in my case.)

  57. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read the proposed method: Some company acts as a clearinghouse when you push the "screw these mofo" button on the phone. they then sue Verizon if the calls are all spoofed.

  58. Ignore by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    If the number isn't in my address book, I just swipe it to voicemail. If it is important, they will leave a message. If they don't, it goes into my block list. 99% of the phone numbers I get that start with my area code and my prefix are spam anyway. I've had my same number for over a dozen years, so I know there isn't a lot of them left, so they are obviously SPAM.

    1. Re:Ignore by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      It's not like this is a new thing.

      My mother in law way back in the 1990's had an answering machine. You want to talk to her? Leave a message. Once she heard your voice she might pick up. Or she'd call you back.

      My policy is the same. If you're in my contact list you'll get through. Else you go straight to voicemail. If you're a real person and don't want to leave a message you must not really want to talk to me. If you leave a BS message that makes it sound like you're a sales person and I don't know you, good luck on getting a call back.

      As for having a working phone. I do business with small business owners all the time. Lots of them have you leave a message on voicemail and get back to you. If I expect them to call me back I throw them in my contacts list so the call goes through, and then take them out once I'm done with them. So unless you're doing real time support, most of the time even businesses will understand and leave a message.

  59. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Verizon just says "bullshit, you fabricated that evidence" and then counter sues and bankrupts that company with lawyers.

  60. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by torkus · · Score: 1

    Doesn't google voice have an option for something like this?

    Or ... i'm 99% sure they did at one point. It had an option which required callers to announce themselves then would ring you with 'XYZ is calling, do you want to accept'. If they didn't answer the prompt though I don't think it would pass the call to you at all.

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  61. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by torkus · · Score: 1

    1. I don't think you know much about telcos ... since my still-limited knowledge tells me that preventing 'spoofing' is not nearly as easy as you claim. Also, is it spoofing if my company assigns an arbitrary number to my outbound call? What if it's an arbitrary number from within our DID pool? Etc. etc. etc. There are MANY legitimate uses for many different aspects of this. It's just annoying when people mis-use it.

    2. Plenty of call filtering services. Pretty sure you could find one on google in less time than to write this point.

    3. Your phone does this already with DnD + exceptions. Well, unless you somehow don't have a phone with Android or iOS. And the wonky pin-mode you suggested is just silly and no one remembers phone numbers, much less PINs these days...but IIRC DnD can be set to allow a call through if they call multiple times back-to-back such as that lost-phone-emergency situation.

    So there you go. Early Christmas for you.

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  62. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want it built into the android or iphone as a universal feature. If it was universal we stand a chance of making a dent in their bussiness model.

    Telcos dont want to help. They caused this to begin with thru allowing fake caller ids. Now they
    1) give an artificial limit to the total blocked numbers (30 in both my $120 10+ yr old panasonic landline set and in the blocker via a "modern" admin tool that isn't as justifiably locked by my landline's silicon hardware)
    2) want to charge for blocking if you use a cellphone. Separately for sms sometimes.

    I would demand that Android's builtin dialer at least add a checkbox to block local neighbor calls, including my own number. Nuking a call so it won't waste voicemail with dead air is as plus --already implemented by my landline as an auto-pickup-hangup but still carries a distracting single ring. Also since regexes are too geeky apparently, why can't we blacklist area codes? better yet, whitelist them? or just whitelist single numbers?

  63. ET Phone Home by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    I knew it was out of hand when I got a call from my own home phone. I was a state away, so I called my local PD to make sure no one had broken into my house !!! I have a landline, but wonder why....the home phone is rung 4x per day, spam calls all. I can't totally dump it, the cell is spotty here, but now that I can use wifi for my cell phone, the landline's days are numbered.

  64. America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the UK and I get a robocall once every few months.

    Y'all need to sort out your business. It's called lobbying and PACs, fix that shit.

    America going down the tubes with a cheeto driving.

  65. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

    No one needs to spoof.

    Just don't deliver a number. Caller ID gets an "UNKNOWN" tag and the customer can decide if it want's to answer "UNKNOWN" or not. Phone company must, for free, allow customers to block "UNKNOWN".

    Businesses will probably accept "UNKNOWN" most other people likely not.

    The place to make this happen is congress, so the present or next FCC commissioner can't kill it.

    The phone companies make too much money from spammers. It will never happen.

  66. Re:Big government was supposed to fix robocalling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strangely enough most of problems you mentioned got better about a year and a half ago.

    All the people who know how to run big government seem able to do is direct money to their friends in failing companies, like Solyndra, and increasing the number of government workers.

  67. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by houghi · · Score: 1

    I had about 1 commercial call since I had my cellphone number. I have had it for, I think, 10 to 15 years. And that call was from a company I had a contract with.

    I live in belfium and although it it possible to add it to http://www.robinsonlist.be/ s (legit) marketing companies will not contact you, I have not. I have done so for my postal adress and it seems to work.

    The thing is that calling will cost the caller, not me. So cold calling is not as efficient. Just cold-calling where you have not opted in is also not allowed.

    I know. Why is the governement stepping in here. Stupid EU people doing laws for the people, by the people.

    What you try to do is a technical solution for a social problem.

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  68. Only US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come I only hear about this robocall issue from the US? Do you have a different kind of phone aystem which makes this issue possible? I never in my +30 years on this earth heared people complain about these calls because they do not happen. And here I am reading about people who get multiple calls a day? So what is up US? Can someone enlighten me on this topic? Are these real people calling you? Or some Robocop?

  69. Re:What the HELL? HOW IS IT ONLY 68? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    I have yet to see a human listen to, or intentionally record, a voicemail.

    Then you're not paying attention. I get and leave VM frequently. I'm often on conference calls, and can't drop to pick up an incoming call from my disabled mom or mother-in-law, or doctors office, or one of the ~50 people I supervise. I have to clear out my old VM about once a month just to keep it available.

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  70. Scammers can DIAF by kimvette · · Score: 1

    Scammers can go die in a fire.

    My phone numbers are on the do not call list. I get robocalls all the time; when I pick up these calls I tell them I'm on the do not call list so I know they're low life scammers (to which rather than disconnecting they start cussing me out, proving my accusation to be true) and invite them to consume copious amounts of strychnine, because suicide is far more honorable than being a fucking scammer and they'll be doing humanity a favor. Alternatively I'll play along and then after a bit I tell them I know they're scammers and while I've kept them tied up in a conversation I've kept them from scamming suckers. Another approach is to read Trumpster/Deplorable racist rants (based on their accent) I have bookmarked, hoping to demoralize them. Blocking their numbers doesn't work due to CID spoofing.

    CID spoofing has become a big problem because it's trivially easy (in fact you can do it on most (all?) smartphones). I occasionally get calls from people claiming I called them marketing crap, so obviously someone used my phone # in their CID spoofing. No, I didn't call them. I tell them about caller ID spoofing and how it works but they are usually unconvinced. I end up blocking their numbers so I don't get repeated calls from people who choose to remain aggressively stupid.

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  71. Re:So it;s not just me. well that's good to know by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

    Yes. It works well.

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