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Internet Provider Groups Sue Vermont Over Net Neutrality Law (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Five industry groups representing major internet providers and cable companies filed suit on Thursday seeking to block a Vermont law barring companies that do not abide by net neutrality rules from receiving state contracts. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Vermont by groups representing major providers like AT&T, Comcast and Verizon. It followed a lawsuit by four of the groups earlier this month challenging a much broader California law mandating providers abide by net neutrality rules.

The trade associations are also challenging an executive order on the issue signed by Vermont Governor Phil Scott. The Vermont lawsuit was filed by the American Cable Association; CTIA -- The Wireless Association; NCTA -- The Internet & Television Association; USTelecom -- The Broadband Association and the New England Cable & Telecommunications Association. The lawsuit argues that states cannot regulate "indirectly through their spending, procurement, or other commercial powers what they are forbidden from regulating directly."

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  1. Sue who? by bmimatt · · Score: 1

    They should sue their lap dog Ajit, or never pay him again. He obviously failed to deliver *every* state, the lying bastard.

    1. Re:Sue who? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The other day Ajit Pai totally screwed the pooch, by saying FCC "does not have authority" to regulate net neutrality.

      Why is that "screwing the pooch"? Because if the Federal government can't, then the states can.

      He's trying to have it both ways, but he's not going to get it both ways.

      Game over.

    2. Re:Sue who? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      He's trying to have it both ways, but he's not going to get it both ways.

      Sure he can! As a lap dog, it seems like he'd be well within his rights to screw another one.

    3. Re: Sue who? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      That's hilarious. The Constitution limits federal powers. One thing I can guarantee you is that it does not grant the power of the federal government to mandate with whom state governments will and will not do business.

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  2. STATES' RIGHTS by Mal-2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it funny how important States' Rights are to Republicans when they agree with the result, but they invoke the Commerce Clause whenever they don't like it?

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    1. Re:STATES' RIGHTS by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      No, Democrats are much more uniformly for a strong Federal government and less leeway for the states. Only the Republicans keep flipping back and forth as they find convenient.

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    2. Re: STATES' RIGHTS by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We don't actually know what a Democratic administration would do about state attempts at Net Neutrality, because the two have never overlapped. This is likely because a Democrat-appointed FCC chair never would have rammed the reversal through in the first place.

      Medical cannabis, yes, a Democratic administration declined to crack down on it, and there is little doubt this is because the move would have been wildly unpopular. So far, no Republican administration has wanted to attack this one either, presumably for the same reason.

      Immigration is a Federal issue, hands down. States don't hand out citizenship. However since the states are going BOTH directions relative to Federal policy (some are racial profiling, others are setting up sanctuaries), cracking down on this would either have to take on both sides (and piss off some allies no matter what side is doing it), or attack only one side which would open the issue to clear partisanship.

      Second amendment rights: no, this isn't a states' rights thing. The two sides have vastly different interpretations of what the 2A means, and both are relatively consistent with their stated positions. Even Republicans don't think the 2A is absolute. You can't own a tank with a working cannon on it, although you can own a tank. You aren't allowed to make explosives without a license. You can't transfer a fully automatic weapon without going through a lot of paperwork and clearances -- which is a policy initiated by Reagan.

      Calexit isn't any more than a bunch of talk, and last I checked, we were still allowed to talk.

      You're one for five there.

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    3. Re:STATES' RIGHTS by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      The positions of the parties were vastly different 150 years ago. The only things they really retained were the names. Republicans have moved further and further to the right, and an a direct consequence, so have the Democrats, merely by accepting the people who feel the Republicans have left them.

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    4. Re:STATES' RIGHTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I recall reading about a subset of Democrats flipping out over states' rights, or at least one states' right, in the 1850s and early 1860s.

      Those were Southern Whites. The very same people that are overwhelmingly Republican today.

      I didn't know Republicans had 160-year-olds in their party. Your one-liners are stale. The racist white Southerners were ok with LBJ, Carter, and BJ but that doesn't fit nicely in your zinger. Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true.

    5. Re: STATES' RIGHTS by Tesen · · Score: 1

      You can't own a tank with a working cannon on it, although you can own a tank. You aren't allowed to make explosives without a license. You can't transfer a fully automatic weapon without going through a lot of paperwork and clearances -- which is a policy initiated by Reagan.

      Pay the fee and pass the background check (i.e. register your cannon shells!). I have a friend that shoots off civil war era cannons every fourth of July and it is freaking awesome to watch. He also is under intense scrutiny from the ATF and other federal agencies because of this and probably the 1,500 odd guns he owns (yup he is a collector).

    6. Re:STATES' RIGHTS by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I didn't know Republicans had 160-year-olds in their party.

      You obviously haven't been to any GOP meetups.

      The racist white Southerners were ok with LBJ, Carter, and BJ

      Who is "BJ"?

    7. Re:STATES' RIGHTS by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Corporations aren't Republicans. And odds are they "donated" heavily to both sides.

    8. Re: STATES' RIGHTS by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Poster is talking about Sanctuary Cities and states most likely. 2nd A is pretty clear, the interpretations by both sides are wrong. But the poster is right that states can and do make their own laws which do violate the constitution, even DC did. The posters point about net neutrality is that it was considered a federal matter until states like California changed that. The poster could have mentioned environmental regs too if they wanted. The fed gov became vastly overpowered after WW2, we as a people need to tone it down. Let states decide most things. That's the way it's supposed to be.

    9. Re: STATES' RIGHTS by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Not a TANK cannon though. You can buy a tank, but the cannon on it must be rendered inoperable first.

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  3. Contracts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure states can set whatever terms they want for the contract. And "Not respecting the privacy of citizens" isn't a protected class yet.

    Kinda sucks when you get a contract you don't like and can't do anything about doesn't it?

  4. Punish enemies and reward friends is what powah's4 by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1, Troll

    The lawsuit argues that states cannot regulate "indirectly through their spending, procurement, or other commercial powers what they are forbidden from regulating directly.

    Nor do you want them to. This is constructing new powers not given them from other powers.

    Imagine a government restricting contracts from a company whose CEO said he liked Hillary for President.

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  5. Probably a good time for by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    states to reconsider what ISP/telecom providers they allow exclusive rights to.
    No law, no regulation, just toss them ot of the state.

    I'm sure someone else would love to have exclusive rights.

  6. Re:They will not give up. by fodder69 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Why is this word salad upvoted?

  7. No, it's not funny by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it's just not funny anymore. The Republicans have long since made it very, very clear that the end justifies the means. That's not a question anymore. The question is, is anyone going to do anything about it? So far the answer has been a resounding, "meh, probably not. I mean, both sides are bad amiright?"...

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  8. Citation needed by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    both sides seem to favor the Federal government. The difference to me seems that the Dems favor consumers and workers while the Republicans favor businesses and CEOs. Did I say "seems"? Seriously, they GOP isn't even trying anymore. They're actively attacking Medicare and Social Security in an effort to pay for their last round of tax cuts for the rich. And you know what, their poll numbers aren't going down. They're winning.

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  9. Actually they do by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the ruling class has for centuries tried to goad the working class into violence so they can use it as an excuse to crack down and get "tough on crime". So go ahead. Go nuts. They'll send the National Guard in (or maybe just a militarized police), put you down and then run a bunch more of those tough on crime candidates who incidentally favor everything the aristocracy does.

    Seriously though, don't use violence. It doesn't work. The right wing are better at it. Best case scenario you get your teeth kicked in. Worst case you go full circle and become the right wing. How do you think so many "communist" countries turned into fascist dictatorships?

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    1. Re:Actually they do by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      the ruling class has for centuries tried to goad the working class into violence so they can use it as an excuse to crack down

      The goading was successful in 1789 and 1917. Things didn't go well for the ruling class.

    2. Re:Actually they do by sjames · · Score: 1

      Better answer, don't call before you dig. Give them the death of 1000 (fibre) cuts.

      Meanwhile, vote yes for municipal fiber.

    3. Re: Actually they do by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Humans are still just as much not bulletproof as they were in 1776.

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    4. Re:Actually they do by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Ideally, violence shouldn't be used, but keeping it on the table is an important way to balance power.

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  10. Re:Punish enemies and reward friends is what powah by sjames · · Score: 1

    That ship sailed decades ago at the federal level.

  11. They didn't go well for the working class either by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    all they got out of it was a few decades of violence and change of masters. Things didn't get better until post WWII and that was mostly because of advances in science that made our food supply a lot more reliable.

    Yeah, the ruling class sometimes lets things get out of hand and it bites them, but it bites _everyone_. It's the whole "too big to fail" effect. They've set themselves up as a linchpin in the economy. You can't just whack them out willy-nilly. It's got to be done with care, precision and above all without violence.

    If things get crazy enough that the aristocracy loses control you'll lose out in the resulting chaos unless your both lucky and fantastically brutal. Mao and Stalin didn't win because they were the best. They won because they were the most violent and sadistic at a time when those traits were the path to victory. Personally I don't want to see those kind of "interesting times".

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  12. Re:Punish enemies and reward friends is what powah by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    The only legal restrictions the states have are not to violate the bill of rights or try to overrule federal law (as opposed to act in the absence of it).

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  13. Re:No by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    You, having never read the constitution (and just astroturfing with your canned talking points), miss that the 10th amendment delegates constitutional authorities, not regulatory authorities to the states. In short, you're an ignorant, lying shill.

    You could represent your opinion better and lend an even greater air of credence by not being so abusive and dismissive.

    Pai and the FCC had no authority under 47 CFR to declare that data is voice.

    The Supreme Court ruled that the FCC does have the authority to decide if the internet is an information service or a telecommunications service. https://techcrunch.com/2017/05... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    IMHO a demonstration of House and Senate abrogating their responsibilities for crafting law, forcing Supreme Court do the work of Congress. On the other hand the current congress would be glad to declare broadband as a private service not requiring government regulation nor should any be permitted.

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  14. Both ajit and you are entirely wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The laws were 100% legal. The ISPs were moved to a different class because it was claimed the ISPs were data services, not media companies. However almost every ISP is a media company now, so they should be run back into the same classification.

  15. Re:oh I get it by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    LOL @ internet tough guy. Wait, I thought taking up arms meant you were a total idiot right winger? And how are you going to take up arms if you're in favor of strict gun control? I think I spotted the flaw in your cunning plan.

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  16. Base our economy on oil revenues, ... by Immerial · · Score: 1

    ...overspend and watch it all go to shit when the value drops???

  17. sure, states can indirectly regulate by swschrad · · Score: 1

    they do it all the time... regulate pricing policy by accepting low bids, for instance. it all depends on what is, is. and they certainly can pass new regulations whenever they want. ask any contractor who didn't keep up with the state or local codes.

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  18. Re:I get whiplash from political parties by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    You say that like it wouldn't be a godsend. If I could kick those assholes out of my state and let muni broadband take over, I could have more for less, and maybe some half-decent support.

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  19. Re:They will not give up. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    What the fuck are you talking about? "completely uncontroversial business regulations" is not the hill to die on over government overreach when direct murder and theft by agents of the state is common, and all of our communications are intercepted by power-hungry spies. Oh, and those same ISPs are bending over backwards to cooperate with them.

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  20. Re:Another traitor state by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Maybe because NOBODY who doesn't suck dicks for ISPs is against net neutrality. The other ACs wonky explanation is unnecessary. Trump didn't win, Clinton lost. And that's pretty much par for the course for the GOP's victory. Nobody likes anything they do, the Dems are just fucking morons about politics. They keep trying to play nice with the GOP, which only turns off their base and lets the GOP tout how they "whupped those damned liberuls." Nobody likes them or any of their policies, they just hate a handful of elite liberals more.

    If a meteor wiped out the majority of the Dems, and they had to be replaced with regular schmucks instead of idiots who spend their lives talking to rich donors, they'd be significantly to the left of the current Democratic party, and they'd dominate the whole fucking country. Because the GOP doesn't win, the Dems lose.

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  21. Re:Punish enemies and reward friends is what powah by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    A company that's been fucking the people for decades, and whose business is 100% dependent upon eminent domain doesn't get to bitch about not getting contracts.

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  22. Re:oh I get it by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Or how about remove the fucking local monopolies they have and allow small players to enter the market in the first place instead of bitching that the current provider has shitty service that's expensive. I swear I'm surrounded by the smartest dumb motherfuckers in the world on this site.