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Earth's Inner Core Is Solid, But Squishier Than Previously Thought (abc.net.au)

brindafella writes: Earthquakes are telling scientists more about the core of the Earth, specifically that it is squishier than previously thought (by about 2.5%.) Associate Professor Hrvoje Tkali & Thanh-Son Pham of the Australian National University have made sense of data collected by seismographs around the world to put new numbers on the density and pressure of the core. In Science magazine, they show that the pressure is 167.4 +/- 1.6 gigapascals (GPa) in Earth's center. For reference, standard atmospheric pressure is 101,325 pascals (Pa), so the center of the Earth is around 61 million times this pressure, but still 2.5% lower than expected.

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  1. Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For Americans: "101.325 pascals (Pa)"

    1. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

      How much is that in football fields? Or, since we're talking pressure, olympic swimming pools per football field?

    2. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, that would be for Europeans. One ATM of pressure is 101325 Pascals, the the Americans would write that as given in the summary, 101,325 - and many Europeans would write it as 101.325. Also for we Americans, you could write 14.7 psi...

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    3. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      the the Americans would write that as given in the summary, 101,325

      Not just Americans, but also most of Asia, except for Indonesia. Even in Europe, the UK and some parts of Switzerland use a decimal point, although the Swiss use an apostrophe as a thousands separator.

      Here is a map. Although it looks close to a tie, it really isn't because the areas using an American style decimal point include densely populated countries such as China, India, Nigeria, and Pakistan, while the decimal-comma areas include lots of deserts, tundra, and rainforest.

      The dot wins.

    4. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      No shanghai bitch, it's not a popularity contest.

      Ok, lets go by nukes instead. Of the 9 countries known to possess nuclear weapons, 7 use the decimal point.

      The dot wins again.

    5. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

      For Americans: "101.325 pascals (Pa)"

      We use commas to separate thousands, so for this American: "101,325 pascals (Pa)"
      However for most non-scientific Americans this is also wrong.
      Its 29.921252402 inches of mercury.

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    6. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Also for we Americans, you could write 14.7 psi...

      How many standard[1] footballs is that?

      [1] i.e. not Patriot ones.

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    7. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      It's obviously 748,931 Libraries of Congress.

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    8. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      He's working through Carnegie's tome on winning friends and influencing people, first. Unfortunately, he's going using the serial-killer's Cliff Notes edition to do so...

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    9. Re:Summary says "101,325 pascals (Pa)" by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      That would be 13 PSI (as opposed to one Brady, which is about 11.3 PSI).

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  2. Predicted over 50 years ago... by unitron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...by Laura Petrie on "The Dick Van Dyke Show".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    15:50

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    1. Re:Predicted over 50 years ago... by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      How many years were you waiting to unload that braincell?

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  3. 61 million times? by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 1

    This is not an area I know much about, but the numbers quoted seem screwy to me. How does 167.4 GPa (167,400,000,000 Pa) / 101,325 Pa (by my calculations 1,652,110) come out as 61,000,000?

    1. Re:61 million times? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Reverse 1 and 6 and divide by 10. Decadyslexia disease affects primarily tired editors.

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    2. Re:61 million times? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Decadyslexia disease affects primarily tired editors.

      I hear Viagra works pretty well for that.

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    3. Re:61 million times? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Oh, wait, nevermind. Thought you said something else.

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  4. Re:101,325 pascals (Pa) ?? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    No. 1 ATM is ~101,325 Pa, or about 14.7 psi. Your number would be 1000 ATM.

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  5. Is Thought To Be Solid by blindvic · · Score: 1

    > Earth's Inner Core Is Solid, But Squishier Than Previously Thought So following the logic, is should say: "Earth's Inner Core Now Is Thought To Be Solid, But Squishier Than Previously Thought."

  6. Re:101,325 pascals (Pa) ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think the GP was saying 101.325 kPa, which is 101,325 Pa. I think they were using a comma for the decimal instead of the period used in the USA and other places. Notice the "(= 101325 Pa)" after "101,325 kPa".

  7. Units by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    What exactly is the SI unit of squishiness anyway?

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    1. Re:Units by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Figs. One metre of lateral motion when crushed by one Pascal of pressure is one fig. The energy so created is thus measured in fig newtons.

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    2. Re:Units by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      It's a measure of strength, so it's unit is the Pascal. (In practice, for geological and engineering materials, MPa is the day-to-day unit.

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  8. Re:My balls are squishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even the trolls here suck now. Rob Malda went from what used to be a great site to talking about baseball and basketball. Someone, please take me back to 1999.

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  9. Re:101,325 pascals (Pa) ?? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Then I'm not sure why he wrote what he wrote? That's exactly what the summary stated.

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  10. Re:It is said that if one digs deep enough by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Errr, let's see. That would be for a PP(O2) of 2 atmospheres, and for normal air at 20% v/v O2, that implies a total air pressure of 10 atmospheres. I get that at between 20 and 30km depth, depending on the model of atmospheric compression you choose.

    Or were you just trying to be funny?

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  11. Fudge factor needed! Help by lcam · · Score: 1

    What does squishy mean? That the earths core is compressible or that it is less viscous than thought? The article seems to think compressible.

    Sounds like scientists have thought of a way to keep their theory alive and this is not the first time they have used this "fudge factor" technique. Just to mention a few other "new" elements added to theories recently as fudge factor elements that keep theories alive:

    Black Holes - Gravitational theory and measurements of the visible stellar systems don't result in the working model of what is known about galaxies.

    Dark Matter - Gravitational theory and measurements of the visible universe don't result in the working model of what is known about systems of galaxies.

    Dark Energy - Gravitational theory and measurements of the visible universe don't result in the working model of what is known about systems of galaxies.

    And now: the center of the Earth is in a non-liquid type of compressible pseudo-liquid/gas - all because measurements of the "visible universe" don't result in the working model of what is known about the planet earth.

    The emerging pattern here is that the scientific community are ever willing to invent ever more non-scientific explanations involving invisible, dark, obscure un-measurable and fantastic elements and continue with their precious theories.

    I guess the question becomes: Who cares? All we need is an education system that churns out minds willing to accept the spam while they continue to muddle away with their coveted derivatives until the next correction is needed.

  12. Re:Fudge factor needed! Help by whit3 · · Score: 1

    What does squishy mean? That the earths core is compressible or that it is less viscous than thought? The article seems to think compressible. Sounds like scientists have thought of a way to keep their theory alive and ...

    Young's modulus is the 'compressibility' that, in combination with density, determines the speed of (and the refraction and reflection of) P-type sound waves.

    Just as you can see the extra sparkle of a diamond next to a piece of glass, the refraction of seismic waves allows one to determine the elasticity and density of the medium through which the wave passes. It's hard, though, to figure out a full interior structure and composition of the planet, and this just means a new evaluation of that Young's modulus for a bit of solid thousands of kilometers underfoot, at pressures and temperatures that don't allow easy laboratory experiments.

    So, outside the laboratory, you just wait for random earthquakes to make a lot of not-ultrasound picture fragments seen by seismometers near the antipodal points.

    'Scientists have thought' isn't what happened here; the job of theorists to imagine a composition with mechanical properties to fit the new Young's modulus value is the thinking part, which happens next. The reported best-fit Young's modulus value is not thought, but observation. Ranting about 'thoughts' is just spin; it sounds less ridiculous than ranting against observations.

    The reason we should care about this work, is that most of the planet we're standing on is under pressures higher than any bit of matter we can get a close look at. So is most of the matter in the solar system.