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Google News App Bug Is Using Up Gigabytes of Background Data Without Users' Knowledge (theverge.com)

A bug in the Google News app for Android is reportedly causing the app to use up excessive amounts of background data, leading to overage charges. "According to dozens of posts on the Google News Help Forum, users have been experiencing this issue as early as June," reports The Verge. "The issue was verified and addressed by a Google News community manager in September, stating that the company was investigating and working toward a fix, but the issue is still ongoing." From the report: Verge reader Zach Dowdle emailed in with his experience, and screenshots of his app and Wi-Fi data usage: "The Google News app is randomly using a ridiculous amount of background data without users' knowledge. The app burned through over 12 gigs of data on my phone while I slept and my Wi-Fi had disconnected. It lead to $75 in overage charges."

According to several users, the app burned through mobile data despite having "Download via Wi-Fi" turned on in the settings. In some extreme cases, the Google News app used up to 24GB of data, leading to overage charges of up to $385, users reported. So far, the only solutions seem to be disabling background data, and deleting the app altogether.

110 comments

  1. It's a FEATURE, not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... A bug in the Google News app for Android is reportedly causing the app to use up excessive amounts of background data, leading to overage charges ...

    That one is a FEATURE, for the benefit of Telcos

    1. Re:It's a FEATURE, not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ajit pai hacked the news app for his friends in the telcos and made it do all the downloading.
       
      why is he not in prison? because the illuminati control the wires and airwaves.

  2. Heh, you have to just laugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trust google = you deserve what happens next. Never get off the boat.

  3. App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do you need an app. I have one app on my phone - it's called a browser. It can go to any of the sites I need. The last thing I need to do is download piles of identical WebView wrappers for websites when a single browser app does 99% of what I need.

    1. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I want my phone to download news overnight, so I can grab my phone in the morning and read news offline in the subway. A website is not able to do that. Or maybe now they can, using service workers and push notifications? Is this the point you're making?

    2. Re:App? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

      Cool story, gramps. Make sure to secure your onions so they don't fall off your belt while your shaking your fist at cloud.

    3. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cool story, gramps. Make sure to secure your onions so they don't fall off your belt while your shaking your fist at cloud.

      No problem junior. Enjoy paying that $385 overage charge on that shiny new $1,000 iphone for that news app you had to have. When you're done, bitch a little to your friends about how all the boomers who don't throw away their money ruined your future.

    4. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But an app is so much more efficient at exposing everything on my phone to the corporate overlords!

    5. Re:App? by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      I have one app on my phone - it's called a browser. It can go to any of the sites I need.

      Oh god. You browse the internet on your mobile phone? Why would you do that to yourself? Do you actively enjoy full page adverts, buggy rendering, slow pages, broken UIs, and mangled content?

      If you're into that thing I'm sure there's some BDSM apps out there for you, but you may need to download another app store since that kind of self-punishment is against Google's guidelines.

    6. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem junior. Enjoy paying that $385 overage charge on that shiny new $1,000 iphone for that news app you had to have...

      TFA:
      Google News app for Android ...

      HUH?

    7. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, service workers have been a thing for a while. There are also MANIFEST files that let the web content itself remain cached. I think they should require a user permission. But my point is that it should be a seemless linear progression between a web page and an app. The whole app/not-app dichotomy is flawed.

      But downloaded news is old news. Still, apps are stupid in general.

    8. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's silly and missing my point. A browser doesn't imply desktop. I live off my mobile device. The difference is I think a uniform way of application delivery (JS, HTML, and CSS over HTTP) is the way to go rather than custom compiled bits curated by some nutcase fruit company or a spy company.

      This is the problem -- people are so misguided they don't even realize their phone is a powerful browsing platform. Enjoy whatever the fruit company tells you.

    9. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too inept to install an ad blocker?

    10. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god. You browse the internet on your mobile phone? Why would you do that to yourself? Do you actively enjoy full page adverts, buggy rendering, slow pages, broken UIs, and mangled content?

      I have an ad blocker. Browsing on my mobile device works fine. I don't have any of those problems. Then again, I do have an Android phone and not an iPhone. I'm sure the iPhone browser is horrible because apps take up flash space and Apple makes money off your phone running out of storage.

      Chrome on Android is quite usable. I browse the news, various facts, and even the gcc-patches@ mailing list when I'm stuck waiting for someone. On my phone. It's not painful at all.

    11. Re:App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all the boomers who don't throw away their money ruined your future

      The crux of the matter is that boomers were and are spending money that is not theirs.

    12. Re:App? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Sometimes apps are faster than web sites. :(

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    13. Re:App? by nasch · · Score: 1

      The last thing I need to do is download piles of identical WebView wrappers for websites

      Perhaps you don't need or want any of them, but there are plenty of apps that are much more than that.

  4. Missing option by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    So far, the only solutions seem to be disabling background data, and deleting the app altogether.

    Or getting a lawyer.

    I had this happen to me a while back. Remember that update that used to fail and retry continuously? I had mobile data turned off globally and it still used it. I suspect there's a backdoor "just for testing" that all the devs are all told not to use in actual shipping code but there's always one who doesn't listen.

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    1. Re:Missing option by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

      Get a lawyer for $75 to a couple hundred bucks? You'll probably be laughed out of most lawyer's offices with such a tiny claim.

    2. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or hop a bus to small claims court. Relatively painless and cheap. You get your costs back if you win. Google and other multinationals are unlikely to attend, so auto-win for you. Be aware that success depends on you having critical thinking skills and the ability to read and write.

    3. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is precedent. If you sue a company for this and win in court, it means that anyone who has suffered even more greatly has a stepping stone that they can use.

    4. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for small claims, you trumptard.

  5. Re:Not much data in prison for HillBilly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    If only we could make Google great again. They suck pretty hard now.

  6. This is why all cell service should be unlimited. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The sad thing is that 24 GB isn't even a lot of data. Averaged over a month, that would barely even be faster than dialup speeds. Can you imagine paying $385 a month for a month of dialup Internet service? That's crazy. Yet people end up with these sorts of crazy bills every time an app misbehaves, or an OS bug appears, or some jerk goes crazy with push notifications, or whatever.

    Every time I see a story like this, it reminds me how badly the United States needs to have consumer protection laws governing ISPs with actual teeth. For example:

    • Average speeds must be disclosed, including typical speed during peak hours.
    • All caps and data quantity tiers must be presented both as a raw gigabyte count and in terms of kbps averaged over a month.
    • All charges, including any non-optional equipment rental must be included in the up-front price of that service or feature.

    And so on. I guarantee if 5 GB Internet plans had to be advertised as "5 GB per month (15 kbps continuous)", there would be a lot more pressure on cell companies to not oversell their service so ridiculously, and a lot fewer plans that charge $10 per gigabyte (3 kbps continuous). Just saying.

  7. News by Calydor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it downloaded 12 GB overnight, let's be generous and say in the span of 12 hours so it's 1 GB per hour, WTF was it actually downloading? There's no way text and images posted in that time span is going to add up to that much data, and just how many news videos would it take to use that much data?

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    1. Re:News by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Maybe the news feed contained a non existent article, and the app keeps refreshing the feed and articles every time it runs into such an error. We all make that mistake... then we add a retry counter or delay.

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    2. Re:News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It could simply be downloading the same text snippet over and over again. Something as simple as a incorrect timestamp could cause that.

    3. Re:News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Video ads, especially with precaching of multiple videos on the same web page.

    4. Re:News by mrbester · · Score: 1

      I remember that...

      int jesus_factor = 15;

      with a counter for a dodgy process that might retry infinite times

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    5. Re:News by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I had a similar issue with a weather app. Pulled 7GB of data, exceeding the mobile data cap by 6GB. Presumably it just screwed up and downloaded the same stuff over and over, hammering the poor server that is used to just sending out a few hundred bytes to each client.

      It was one of the apps that came with the phone (not mine), so I took it back to the shop and explained what happened. In the end they cancelled the data charges and reset the usage to zero for that month, but insisted on taking the phone back for "repairs" too. A couple of weeks later they said they couldn't find the fault and would we like a new handset... So we took that and just disabled the problem app.

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    6. Re:News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is auto refreshing - continously downloading the same fake news over and over.

    7. Re:News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that, the report implies downloading over the cellular connection was supposed to be disabled. That should be an OS level feature, not an app feature. So either the Andriod OS has fundemental design flaws or Google's apps are using undocumented APIs to get around restrictions, just like Windows bypasses the hosts file for some Microsoft services. It should not be left up to the apps if they want to honor mute, sound levels, sensor access, network access, and related settings. Those should all be strictely controlled by the OS.

      I don't know anything about mobile APIs, so hopefully someone here can shine a little more light on how this type of thing is handled. Andrioid is supposed to be open source, so someone should know...

    8. Re:News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is shite

    9. Re:News by PIBM · · Score: 1

      This is an app choice in this case. Certain apps will allow you to chose how they behave, in case you don't want to force all apps to behave in a certain way. There are different os level choices but I would see google news allowing accessing the news you just clicked on without wifi even if you checked the option to pre-cache all news through wifi only..

    10. Re:News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends, but on average just sitting on RSS with 5 feeds eats "2GB" per hour according to my carrier (no way this is true)

    11. Re:News by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      WTF was it actually downloading?

      When a mobile app uses that much data you know fully well that it isn't downloading any meaningful comment. Have you never seen a bug where a program gets stuck in a loop requesting the same data over and over again? It doesn't matter what that data is providing it is requested ALL the time. Hell I've had open source software do that (alerted to it by an email addressed to "root" that a HDD was full). Windows Update has done that in the past too. My media centre did that too trying to get the weather, and the only reason it didn't use up any significant amount of data is because the server API timed out and blocked my system after the first 10000 requests came through within 5 minutes.

    12. Re:News by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 1

      Given that it's a rare household that doesn't have WiFi these days, why on earth would you leave it to download this over your mobile data?

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    13. Re:News by Calydor · · Score: 1

      If the phone loses connection to the router for one reason or another, falls back to cellular, and then is stuck downloading so it doesn't appear 'free' to switch back to wifi?

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    14. Re:News by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      One way this can happen is through repeated failure.

      You try to transfer something, the transfer nearly completes but then fails for some reason. When you re-try it it fails again for the same reason. If you don't have a mechanism to limit the number of retries or implement exponential backoff then you can cause data traffic many times the size of the data you are trying and failing to transfer.

      I had this happen with email once, the sender was using nullmailer and trying to send mails that were over the recieving server's size limit. The receiving server (postfix IIRC) would reject the mail, but only after it had been sent over the network. nullmailer at the time had no concept of a permanent failure or exponential back-off and just kept trying to send the mail once per minuite.

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    15. Re:News by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Video news isn't much better. Would be nice to have a phone-wide setting to disable any video download unless explicitly clicked on to view it, or unless an app is given explicit video downloading permissions.

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    16. Re:News by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      Yeah, It's pretty crazy. NPR One did this to my phone afew years ago. I installed it and had it on wifi all day, then I jump in my car and as soon as it hit the cellular network it pulled down a couple GB of data killing my plan.

  8. Google News is crap - no "already seen" function by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google News shows me lost of stories, many of which I have already read - but I CANNOT hide them.

    Surely even a clueless, arty UI type can see that a prime function of Cards is to swipe them away ?

  9. Deleting the App? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wish I could delete the useless google apps on my phone, but I think you'll find that deleting the app altogether is usually not an option at all.

  10. This happened to me by SpzToid · · Score: 4, Informative

    It costs me a bit north of $100, and my connectivity was cut off by the mobile provider at a really bad time. Ouch.

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    1. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If your subscription has overage charges, I would recommend setting a data limit on your phone. Both Android and iOS have supported a hard cutoff since basically forever.

    2. Re:This happened to me by MadKeithV · · Score: 2

      If they honour it as much as the "Download via Wi-Fi" option, what's the point?

    3. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you need to bug-report to your app vendor.

    4. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should get a flat rate, all-you-can-eat plan. In first world countries that's about $30 a month. If you live in a third world country, like the USA, consider emigrating.

    5. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's talking about OS level data limits enforced by Andoid/iOS. This way you don't have to worry about ANY app costing you extra charges.

    6. Re:This happened to me by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Some providers let you cut off access the moment you hit the limit. Well worth enabling. In the mean time did you send the bill to Google?

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    7. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe give them a call? Oh, wait...

    8. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem!

      Since Google was at fault, I imagine they will be contacting you soon to pay that $100 back, plus another $100 for inconveniencing you /s

    9. Re:This happened to me by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If they honour it as much as the "Download via Wi-Fi" option, what's the point?

      Who is "they"? The OS puts a had block on your cell data just fine. The problem was a bug in an app. This is not a question of honour.

    10. Re:This happened to me by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      Some providers let you cut off access the moment you hit the limit. Well worth enabling. In the mean time did you send the bill to Google?

      Google will ask why you didn't set your Android phone with a data cap, something that has been a feature of the OS for the past 10 years. Who cares about providers.

    11. Re:This happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is "they"?

      Google.

      The OS puts a had block on your cell data just fine. The problem was a bug in an app. This is not a question of honour.

      Both written by Google.

  11. Eternal Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google is really good at delivering buggy software. I often have Google Play Services drain my battery, for example, and Google does not seem interested in addressing this issue. This happens when you roll out Beta software into the real world.

  12. bad for users. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that is really going to piss off all 10 of its users,

  13. Google employee fearing for his bonus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignoring worked so far but now that the word is out on /. trying to intimidate users might be the next pathetic attempt to silences everyone

  14. our poop... is full of plastic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tarnation.. cease fire stand down.. ma, get the turpentine out.. talk about buggy (cr)apps?

  15. Enough Kim K. news out there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to burn through your monthly plan....

  16. Don't worry! by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    After all, the app downloads just gigabytes of fake news.

  17. Just disable mobile data when not in use by tuxisthefuture · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being of the generation who started using computers when every 'bit' mattered, I still use modern technology in the same way.

    I frequently cleanup and delete stuff I do not foresee needing (after taking multiple backups to offline media of course), I always turn off mobile data when I am connected to wifi or when I will not require it, I even turn off wifi on my phones and tablets when not in use to save the battery, such as at night or when driving.

    Such habits allow my devices to run for longer without a recharge when out and about plus it seems, have saved me countless well earned £££ by not becoming one of the people impacted by this software bug and others we may not know about.

    Unfortunately today, most people would not even dream of turning off data when not actively using it, as they may miss a Facebook post of their mate making a cuppa.

    When I attended college, 100MB (not Gigabytes, Megabytes) of storage served me perfectly well for 3 years as I had gotten used to formatting my digital photos and scans to acceptable quality and filesizes due to having grown up with 1.44MB 3.5 inch floppy disks.

    By the time I worked in the IT department at the same college 4 years later, students would arrive at the support department door in an endless stream on day 1 of their course, complaining that they have run out of space, having only saved 1 digital photo (why did their tutors not educate them on file size reduction? Don't get me started on the state of teaching!). Often they and their tutors demanded 100GB of storage space so they could save their photos and scans, which were to be used in Microsoft Word documents and presented on printed page at the size of a postage stamp, even though the saved file size would if laid out flat could easily be seen from space.

    What I am getting at here is that having grown up in the age of 'digital rationing', I had to learn how to manage my storage space/bandwidth cost effectively and with the end product in mind.

    Nowadays, people feel they don't have to bother, most probably don't even know that they can reduce the size of a photo taken by their digital camera or post process it in the GIMP or whatever to reduce the physical and file size. After all, they have a huge hard drive and cloud storage.

    Learning how to manage the space/bandwidth as effectively as they would a physical filing cabinet, would go a long way to reducing the risk they are exposed to from such Google bugs.

    1. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is also why programmers should be forced to use slow machines with insufficient resources.... so their code isnt more bloatware!

    2. Re: Just disable mobile data when not in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow. does your wife ration the number of blowjobs she gives you per annum too?

    3. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did my final year of IT studies with a computer that had a whopping 1.2GB of disk space. Of which 300 were used for a very lean and mean windows 98 install, and the 900 others were for my debian distro.

      And that was in 2004, a year where computers were already having larger capacities.

      But I was broke. I only had this old refurbished laptop. It was my main computer. I did everything with it. It served me beautifully, and I respected it. Sometimes I still wish I had this computer today, but I had to sell it to buy my plane ticket home. I can't believe my current computer has a 1TB disk and that the disk is almost full. What am I actually storing in it? Useless stuff. Oh well...

    4. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I always turn off mobile data when not specifically using it, but more because that saves battery and effectively blocks ads from all my apps that don't have a legit need for internet.

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    5. Re: Just disable mobile data when not in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow. does your wife ration the number of blowjobs she gives you per annum too?

      Wife is cheaper to run that mobile data!!!! (just, so its one or the other!)

    6. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I was in college I had to submit a written request to increase my default allocation of 1MB of disk space so I could work on a ray tracer.

      Nowadays I have lost count of how many terabytes I have in my file server. Thing is, hard drives are really cheap and it's just not worth wasting massive amounts of time sorting, compressing and discarding stuff. There was a comment on Slashdot that used the example of a photographer paying an intern minimum wage to do the job, and it turned out that just storing all the photos was cheaper.

      My time is valuable. I used to waste untold hours optimizing my Amiga to boot a little quicker or save a few kilobytes of RAM, but not any more.

      Same with my phone. It manages the wifi and power saving so well that I usually don't get below 70% in a day, so there just isn't any point wasting my time trying to save tiny amounts of energy by manually adjusting it constantly.

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    7. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      having grown up with 1.44MB 3.5 inch floppy disks

      1.44MB? I started with 100KB (yes, K) 5.25" hard sectored floppies (HeathKit H-89A running CP/M 2.2).

    8. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      That is a fine attitude to have; if you don't have limitations. However there are A LOT of people in settings where they don't have access to data that isn't metered. I am not saying products should be tailored to our use case by any means but minimally workable solutions should be offered.

      I (kinda of) agree treating local storage as "mostly free" makes sense in the PC world on phones not so much. Why does Apple think they can charge 150 extra for the 256GB model than the 64GB variety? When a high speed 128GB micro SD can be had for 30? So even storage is still pricey some places.

      I bought tax cut last year (boxed). Guess what nothing in there but a download link and license key. WTF? If I wanted to download it I would have just bought it online! The only reason to by a shelfware copy is to get media so you don't have to download a Gigabyte of interface software and can instant theoretically pull a couple Megabytes worth of updated forms and rule sets from a server some place...

      Ditto with a lot of this mobile stuff. My Iphone5 finally gave up. Had to buy a new. Restored my back up it. Okay brought over my pictures and stuff but hey those were already synced to photo's anyway on my Mac. The phone proceeded to re-download all of my apps? Why bother making a backup at all if it excludes 90% of the data! I won't in the future - I'll just sync my contacts and photos and to heck with the rest of it. If nothing else if I have to switch phones again at least that will let me not download the apps I never use anymore!

      Then there is F'ing Windows that even with registry hacks and setting every connection metered will still download 100s of megs of updates when it feels like it; not when it makes sense for the user. So litterally after you have taken active steps to configure it to minimize data uses it basically says 'F U I am going to download whatever I want anyway."

      In 2018 should the default behavior of most products be treat storage and remote network transfer as mostly unlimited resources where it makes the user experience better - probably. There should be reliable of setting limits. If that means some features can't be used alright; if it means reading thru long lists of components and deciding which are needed fine; it does not have to be easy but it should work and the choice should be there.

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    9. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Or if you're not on the spectrum you could just set a data limit in the Android OS and call it a day.

      My life is busy enough without micromanaging every little detail of it.

    10. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      However there are A LOT of people in settings where they don't have access to data that isn't metered. I am not saying products should be tailored to our use case by any means but minimally workable solutions should be offered.

      Workable solutions do exist. There are android apps that don't use lots of disk space, and there's ways to manage data to ensure you don't go over carrier limits baked right into the OS.

      I bought tax cut last year (boxed). Guess what nothing in there but a download link and license key. WTF?

      I had someone give me a CD with software on it recently. My home computer doesn't have a 5.25" drive bay let alone a CD player. My laptop doesn't either. I had to see the IT department at work to make it readable. This is not such an extreme example in 2018. The point is that nowadays this truly does start bordering on the archaic tailored to specific people kind of scenarios.

      The phone proceeded to re-download all of my apps? Why bother making a backup at all if it excludes 90% of the data!

      Why bother backing up the data that already exists in a backed up form? I don't understand the reasoning here. The end result is you got your phone back to its normal working condition right? There's literally no point in backing up something that your phone keeps ever green, and exists elsewhere already. This is similar to Linus's reasoning: Only whips use backups, real men upload their data and let the rest of the world mirror it.

      and setting every connection metered will still download 100s of megs of updates when it feels like it

      Citation required. Based on all available research, windows update doesn't download anything while on a metered connection.

      There should be reliable of setting limits.

      You know that pretty much exists now right? What you're referencing are actual bugs, as is in this case here. Google News normally doesn't use much data. Restoring your phone will prompt you to use data and then additionally give you the option to only use it over wifi. Most apps that do anything with significant data (e.g. Facebook) will give you the option to not auto-download, not auto-play etc.

    11. Re:Just disable mobile data when not in use by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      My time is valuable. I used to waste untold hours optimizing my Amiga to boot a little quicker or save a few kilobytes of RAM, but not any more.

      The problem is not waste, it's the proportion of waste vs resources available. 1GB is nothing for a PC, but it's worth a bunch of money on mobile.

      But, hey, go ahead and keep thinking that resources are infinite and everyone has as much money as you do to keep buying hardware that's "really cheap".

  18. just don't call it morgellons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is no such thing? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=morgellons ..

  19. Re:Google News is crap - no "already seen" functio by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

    One used to be able to swipe away stories already viewed or not cared about. That seems to have changed in the last few months.

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  20. Well done Google. What a bunch of pricks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a bunch of incompetent cretins they are at Google. From their utterly shit 'Material Design', to the absolute crapness that is Android - no visible buttons, no feedback when you press a button, utterly dreadful user interface design.

    1. Re:Well done Google. What a bunch of pricks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but, but, it looks nice !

      Away with your outdated "What fucking thing is a button I can click ?", "Let me right click to get a context menu so I can DO stuff", "Stop reinventing stuff that WORKS" mentality - this is the 21st Century and we are your UX "Over Simplify" Overlords.

  21. Re:This is why all cell service should be unlimite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cell data transfer is a luxury, a bit like drone delivery of water. Of course delivering water by drone costs more than through pipes, it's not crazy. These app bugs are equivalent to accidentally asking to fill a swimming pool using water-carrying drones. There is a cost to this mistake and it has to be borne by someone.

  22. Hey, no big deal. by bistromath007 · · Score: 2

    I'll just keep using Google News & Weather, which is better anyway.

    oh wait

    1. Re:Hey, no big deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the killer thing. This was discontinued...

    2. Re:Hey, no big deal. by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      I'll just keep using Google News & Weather, which is better anyway.

      oh wait

      THIS. I came here to basically say this. I used it until a few weeks ago when it's data source was forcibly retired. I tried the new app, hated it, told google so (I'm sure they took notice!), and removed it.

      I'm now using other, non-Google apps for news. RSS readers are great! (Although I'm sure they're tracking me anyway.)

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    3. Re:Hey, no big deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I did same. Started using Reuters (mainly because of dark theme) and AP. I don't really like either, and wish I could have Google News & Weather back.

  23. Re: This is why all cell service should be unlimit by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    Verizon wrote this post

  24. OMG, over 12 GB of data! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How will we cope! Has the board of engineers been informed? What is being done to prevent the collapse of the internet? Look, I get that 12 GB is much too much for what the app does, but don't you think that the price of mobile data is the real story here?

  25. Re:Google News is crap - no "already seen" functio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google: The AI that is selecting stories is now so good that there is no need to swipe away stories.
    Microsoft: QA of Windows patches is now so good that updates can be forced in Windows 10.

  26. Solution by t4eXanadu · · Score: 1

    Don't turn off wifi at night. Why do that anyway? It doesn't conserve that much battery.

    1. Re:Solution by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      If it's downloading gigabytes per night, I think you'll find it does use significant battery.

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    2. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on the network. Some AP's are much, much better at scheduling traffic, implementing PROPER power save options and are straigh up better at dealing with mobile devices. I leave a network open just for devices to connect and stop constantly probing.

      More On-Air time == more battery use. If you're in a congested area without intra routuing your device will spend a lot of time just trying to stay connected to the Network (AP). LIke I tell anyone who'll listen, if you don't believe me by now, look at the traffic yourself. Google in particular has some god awful applications (the portal login process for exaple).

      The protocols allows for devices to enter extended sleep periods but network operators and Google prohibit it through BAD design.

    3. Re:Solution by tsqr · · Score: 1

      If it's downloading gigabytes per night, I think you'll find it does use significant battery.

      If your goals are to reduce battery consumption and avoid unauthorized overnight data consumption, there's always Airplane mode. Or just plain turning the phone off. I've found that both approaches are quite effective. Of course, there's always a chance that you'll miss someone's Facebook post complaining about how much data their phone is gobbling.

    4. Re:Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's great! I use Airplane mode on the weeks I'm not on call. It keeps jerks and their buttdial calls out of mind, prevents unduly midnight Amber alerts sirens (better yet, make sure you immunize everyone at home who doesn't go on Airplane mode). It even deflects the disconcerting display-activation events and associated ack noises forced upon your phone by that insomniac friend who is posting on your facebook wall at 4am, or even random spam emails or unrelated text messages from Amazon and tmobile that would arrive before sunrise.

      Lots of this can be alleviated with Android's new-ish scheduled priority / silence mode if you must keep the phone jacked into the 'net and phone system.

  27. Re: This is why all cell service should be unlimit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's comical to me how bad the US telecoms are fucking their customers. Posting this from Vietnam where I get 60GB of data a month for $5.

  28. Only USD$75? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    The app burned through over 12 gigs of data on my phone while I slept and my Wi-Fi had disconnected. It lead to $75 in overage charges.

    Be happy you don't live in Canada, where 12GB over your regular quota would mean losing your house.

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    1. Re:Only USD$75? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Yes in Canada our pricing for mobile services is ridiculous but we do have the protection of getting cut off of mobile data should we exceed 50 dollars over our monthly billing plan. It won't turn back on until we consent to the overage. This should warn you of any issue though you might not think that it is the news app I suppose.

       

    2. Re:Only USD$75? by PIBM · · Score: 1

      what if you blew it early on for a download you wanted ? I'm lucky enough to be provided a large enough cap that I never reach it, but my wife only uses a 1 GB plan. She sometimes use it all, and then she`ll be one or two days without. Extra GB are 70$ (twice the plan price which includes unlimited text / unlimited international calls) so it`s not a good idea to unlock it for more..

  29. Re:This is why all cell service should be unlimite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the ISP say that cell data is a perfect replacement from broadband and therefor do not to extend a physical broadband network to your home.

  30. Just delete or disable it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're not using a Google app all the time...delete it.

    There are very few must have Google apps, and we all already know they care very little about individuals privacy

  31. Re: This is why all cell service should be unlimit by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Well, if I only cared about one aspect of a country and life, I'd definitely move there.

  32. Providers must be happy! by flood78 · · Score: 1

    It's the providers that are certainly happy! With their stupid package of 5 to 15 minutes of internet per month... because this is the reality!
    They offer high speed internet that are busted after few minutes at full speed... there is no chance to anyone to be able to detect this bug without busting.

  33. Re:This is why all cell service should be unlimite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is it a luxury?
    The airways are there always and the overhead of transmitting data is negligible considering that the hardware is there, powered on and receiving and transmitting anyways.

    You are a pawn of the cell providers tricky marketing claiming that cellular data is so much more expensive per byte than dedicated lines.

  34. So just don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I find data hogging apps I just uninstall them if I cannot find a setting that prevents it. I pretty much avoid anything connected to Google these days. I definitely see a connection between size of companies and eventual failure and demise. They get so big and then seem to collapse.

  35. About par for the course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google Play Services will similarly update bits and pieces via LTE when all updating mechanisms are disabled and set for Wifi only. I've caught Instant Apps resources to be the biggest offender.

  36. My own stats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The App data usage app (from Settings), on my tablet, from Sep 25 to Oct 23, says that Google News burned through...30.63KB.

    I'm guessing you actually have to launch that crapware at least once? I never have. And only wish I could delete it (along with many other apps that came with the tablet)...

  37. Is it just me... by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

    ...or does everyone hate the new Google News app as much as I do.

    I used to use the 'News and Weather' app that came with the phone until recently, when that app went blank except for a notice that it was being replaced by Google News. So I switched. The two apps are pretty much the same thing, but there's something overly busy and overcrowded about Google News.

    The old app just gave you lists of stories in various categories, and that was it. A little scrolling, and you had a sense of what was there, and what of that was new. The new one gives you groups of stories within the lists - which are also much longer, including lots of stuff I've already seen. Plus my 'favorite' categories are not on the main screen with everything else. The whole thing makes for a clumsier experience, curated I assume, but hell if I know by what criteria.. Guessing it's some 'chosen just for you by our fabulous AI bots'. Well, no thanks.

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    1. Re: Is it just me... by Londovir · · Score: 2

      No, it's not just you. In fact, scrolling through the reviews in the Play store for the replacement app are horrendous, unless you ignore the sudden 4 star reviews that look suspiciously like astroturfing. There are tons of people who hate the new app. I hate it. I hate that Google decided what was best for me. That's the kind of crap I railed against Apple for, and it's ticked me off enough to make me slowly start thinking of going to an iPhone. (Among other reasons, to be sure.) As it stands, although I'm a very avid Angular 6/7 web application developer, I have little experience writing mobile apps. That said, I'm looking into learning NativeScript now and trying my hand at writing my own News and Weather replacement app. About 3 weeks ago I started screenshotting everything in the app I could so I had reference shots to work with. I'm glad I did, since Google absolutely killed the old app now. My biggest issue is trying to find suitable RSS feeds to use for the news pulls. Since Google deprecated their News API a while back (conveniently), it's not as clear where I can look for replacements. But, my anger gives me power, so I'll find a way, even if I have to hard code my own feeds.

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    2. Re:Is it just me... by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Why use an app for weather? I type the first 3 letters of my city into Google and the "my city weather" suggestion pops up. Click on that and I get an in-Google summary of weather for the next 10 days. Why go anywhere else?

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  38. wahmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i neither believe nor respect you, wahmen.