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Big Brother is Being Increasingly Outsourced To Silicon Valley, Says Report (fastcompany.com)

The federal and local governments have long relied on private companies for defense and law enforcement technologies, from Lockheed Martin jetfighters to Booz Allen Hamilton data analysis. But increasingly, the government is expanding beyond the usual defense contractors to the company that also provides free shipping and online TV. From a report: "The ... thing that was shocking for me was to understand just how the federal authorizations are allowing Amazon to have such a monopoly over the storage of government information," says Jacinta Gonzalez, field organizer for immigrant advocacy group Mijente. Along with the National Immigration Project and the Immigrant Defense Project, Mijente funded a new report entitled, "Who's Behind ICE?: The Tech and Data Companies Fueling Deportations." Its findings are based on documents such as contracts, memoranda, and corporate financial reports --which are publicly available but take a lot of digging to decipher.

While Amazon plays the leading role, the report also details the involvement of companies including Peter Thiel's Palantir, NEC, and Thomson Reuters in storing, transferring, and analyzing data on both undocumented residents and U.S. citizens. The U.S. government is moving its databases from federal facilities to cloud providers, especially Amazon Web Services (AWS), raising concerns about accountability.

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  1. Mijente by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Imagine a movement that is not just Pro-Latinx...but pro-Black, pro-woman, pro-queer, pro-poor because our community is all that and more."

    You must be kidding me. Does AmiMojo work there?

    1. Re:Mijente by gweihir · · Score: 2

      If you are "pro-everybody", the term becomes meaningless. If you are not pro-everybody, it does discriminate and is bad.

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    2. Re:Mijente by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      They aren't pro-everybody I guess. Why aren't they pro-Asian or pro-Indian? They must not like those groups. Also, the use of the term "pro-queer" is offensive. And that was from their website.

    3. Re:Mijente by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine actually having to say you are "pro-black" or "pro-woman".

      Are they "pro-earth" too? Where does their community officially end?

    4. Re:Mijente by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where does their community officially end?

      Just ask them if they're "pro-america" or "pro-white" or "pro-male". The boundaries of their "tolerance" should become clear very quickly.

    5. Re:Mijente by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be shorter and more honest if they just listed what they're against. That's closet racism.

      People prefer open, outright racism. It's comfortable as fuck too. Just take a shit on a minority, feels so good. and you know tomorrow you'll still be white, and they'll still be trash. Nothing they can do. I think blacks have to eat suntan lotion or acetone to get lighter, but it also kills them or something.

    6. Re:Mijente by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I'm gonna add Stallman's Kind Communications guidelines to my sig. You clearly need reminding of basic stuff like only addressing things people actually say, not things you imagine they would say.

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    7. Re:Mijente by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Also, the use of the term "pro-queer" is offensive.

      I've noticed that you are quite easily offended about pretty much everything. Maybe lighten up a bit?

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    8. Re:Mijente by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the use of the term "pro-queer" is offensive.

      Not to people who identify as queer it isn't. Why are you so offended?

  2. Vibrant Diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Albany, NY is 52% white. In that city every single homicide in 2017 [timesunion.com] had a non-white perpetrator and victim. Of course the article blames it on poverty as though there were no poor whites living there.

    Such vibrant diversity! This story was relatively honest. For most of the rest, remember the new media code-word for "black males" is "teens" or "youths". Just like the many times a legal gun owner with a conceal carry permit stops a crime but it never gets reported that way, directly reporting the real criminality of blacks just doesn't fit the narrative.

    Cue the Internet Tough Guys who talk about hanging folks (because they know this is true, can't refute it, and don't have the balls to be honest with themselves about it let alone be honest with anyone else). They don't like any FACTUAL information casting blacks in a bad light, yet they call others "faggots" all the time, yay tolerance! Yay hypocrisy! I'm sure they have convinced themselves this is logically consistent. For some reason they mention Trump. I don't personally care for Trump but if he causes them that much butt-hurt then at least he has that much going for him. Note they won't make ANY effort to say that I'm wrong because $facts, or talk about materially verifiable benefits of diversity. No, they'll just say they want to hang people. How convincing! Surely truth is on their side!!

    I mean, they like to bring up Nazis. So let's examine that. Anyone who mentinos FACTS they find inconvenient must be a bad person, not fully human, right? So it's ok to advocate hanging them, harming them, etc., because they're not like the rest of us. Funny how this is the exact thinking the Nazis used against the Jews! Yet it's ok, this time they got it right. Right? Yet they still don't see the problem. No thanks, I'll stick to facts about race -- and there are a great many. Let the butt-hurt types defeat themselves by acting like everything they claim to hate while missing the delicious irony. But hey it's easy to feel tough behind a computer, isn't it?

    1. Re:Vibrant Diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoops. Missed the relavent link about all 2017 murders in Albany, NY. Guess I got distracted by all the people calling it Nazi while engaging in the same behavior one would expect from Nazis. "They're not like us, hang them!" Still they don't see the problem. Amazing feat of self-delusion, really.

      This is just an example of a modern-day "heretic". No one can discredit or argue against the "heresy" successfully, but the modern PC Inquisition can try to shout it down, call it names, mod it down, etc. Yeah, that's how people act when facts are on their side. Sure! You believe that, right??

    2. Re:Vibrant Diversity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who mentinos

      For a moment I thought this was some new kind of Hispanic subgroup. It certainly could be.

  3. Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, treasonous nazi faggots will hang. We're going to get every last inbred one of you bitch tiki torch faggots, and we're going to mulch your families into your childhood yards and let immigrants squat in your derelict homes.

    You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone. Get used to it snowflakes. #Obamacare death panels gonna kill you faggots fo real yo~!

    1. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, treasonous nazi faggots will hang. We're going to get every last inbred one of you bitch tiki torch faggots, and we're going to mulch your families into your childhood yards and let immigrants squat in your derelict homes.

      You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone. Get used to it snowflakes. #Obamacare death panels gonna kill you faggots fo real yo~!

      Afraid of a fact-against-fact rational argument, then? Resort to violence immediately when no one else was posing a physical threat to you? That's the funny thing about people like you. You're often called "leftists" but I find there are insecure little people like you all across the spectrum. You simply don't have what it takes to refute a well reasoned argument. And you know it. If you had a shred of dignity you'd acknowledge that but you don't. So we get a true example of "hate speech" if there ever was one (the concept is bullshit, but you almost validate it).

    2. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, treasonous nazi faggots will hang. We're going to get every last inbred one of you bitch tiki torch faggots, and we're going to mulch your families into your childhood yards and let immigrants squat in your derelict homes.

      You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone. Get used to it snowflakes. #Obamacare death panels gonna kill you faggots fo real yo~!!

    3. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, treasonous nazi faggots will hang. We're going to get every last inbred one of you bitch tiki torch faggots, and we're going to mulch your families into your childhood yards and let immigrants squat in your derelict homes.

      You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone. Get used to it snowflakes. #Obamacare death panels gonna kill you faggots fo real yo~!

      I assume you're just an especially untalented troll. But if you really somehow believe that, congratulations! You *are* the new Nazi. You just have an unusual definition of "Jews" this time around. Everything else is the same.

      You're either a really idiot troll or a pure-bred moron unable to comprehend irony. Either way ...

    4. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, treasonous nazi faggots will hang. We're going to get every last inbred one of you bitch tiki torch faggots, and we're going to mulch your families into your childhood yards and let immigrants squat in your derelict homes.

      You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone. Get used to it snowflakes. #Obamacare death panels gonna kill you faggots fo real yo~!!!

    5. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're either a really idiot troll or a pure-bred moron

      Obvious alt-right troll is obvious ... and too lazy to do anything but repost the same damn comment every time. Yeah, yeah "#Obamacare death panels" ... we get it. Hopefully it goes back to 4chan soon.

      You *are* the new Nazi.

      Nope, it's just the same old Nazi. You didn't believe for a moment this was an attack from the left, did you?

    6. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not OP, but you seem to be an (a) an idiot (b) a NPC (c) a pathetic internet wannabe soyboy toughguy.

      Choose one or all. Pathetic.

    7. Re:Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (d) Alt-right spam bot

  4. It's not even about ethics anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They talked themselves into it, one privacy policy at a time.

  5. Nazi defends nazism, tries to hide like a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, treasonous nazi faggots will hang. We're going to get every last inbred one of you bitch tiki torch faggots, and we're going to mulch your families into your childhood yards and let immigrants squat in your derelict homes.

    You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone. Get used to it snowflakes. #Obamacare death panels gonna kill you faggots fo real yo~!

  6. first post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this may be my last post, if they catch me. IP address 192.168.50.43

  7. Deportations == Big Brother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A nation with borders is by definition something out of 1984? What am I missing?

    1. Re:Deportations == Big Brother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thing = bad
      Trump = bad
      Therefore Trump = Thing

    2. Re: Deportations == Big Brother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the Thing imitating Trump?

  8. yeh, concerns they may be held accountable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The concern about accountability is that with the larger exposure surface more leaks will occur and more of what they are trying to cover up will come out... thus they will be held accountable far more often than when all the data is in-house and fewer know its details.

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  10. Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Black lives matter? "Up and coming" black rapper in 70% black Baltimore, who advocated nonviolence, murdered by black male"

    If black people want their lives to matter to whites they first need to act like they matter to each other. Blacks account for 53.1% of all solved murders in 2017 (FBI crime stats) and primarily it's black males murdering other black males. Although it may "comfort" you to know that black people murder whites about twelve times more often than white people murder blacks. They're a violent people, plain and simple.

  11. Good thing the competition pulled out by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    "The ... thing that was shocking for me was to understand just how the federal authorizations are allowing Amazon to have such a monopoly over the storage of government information,"

    Good thing Google pulled out of the bidding to do anything about that! And Microsoft employees lobbying for MS to also pull out.

    1. Re:Good thing the competition pulled out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well. it the government spending money wisely. Rather than ICT how about a $500 cash to any citizen who points out a confirmed illegal, and $1000 if caught working illegally (the employer can pay that!). Hold a national illegal week dob-in-a-thon.
      How about the IRS pay for Pacific and Panama paper fat cash rewards. One suspects mining the AWS cloud for emails and such indicating tax fraud would quickly pay for any 'wall'.

      Amazon deserve the monopoly, they started with a 7 year lead. But all the IT information in the world, is useless unless you damn well enforce it, and the evidence says some would rather not know or unearth ultra-wealthy cheats..

    2. Re:Good thing the competition pulled out by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Indeed. This highlights the silliness of expecting corporations to "fix" a democratically elected government. The voters should be doing that.

    3. Re:Good thing the competition pulled out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do they know?
      Doh, you carry a mobile phone. What do you expect.
      That's a new mobile we don't have on the database. OK roll all cameras, I want a close up for a 256 point face ID with side profile and height. Log the GPS location start and endpoints and join on the rental bonds database.
      As long as you go to the supermarket or buy petrol, we gotcha.

    4. Re:Good thing the competition pulled out by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      "The ... thing that was shocking for me was to understand just how the federal authorizations are allowing Amazon to have such a monopoly over the storage of government information,"

      Good thing Google pulled out of the bidding to do anything about that! And Microsoft employees lobbying for MS to also pull out.

      Yeah, it COULD have been a google or ms monopoly instead.

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    5. Re:Good thing the competition pulled out by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it COULD have been a google or ms monopoly instead.

      Considering the contract is explicitly written to award more than one provider, that's not exactly likely.

  12. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blacks account for 53.1% of all solved murders

    That's obviously only because cops are racists who work harder to solve crimes allegedly committed by african americans.

  13. Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who's Behind ICE?: The Tech and Data Companies Fueling Deportations.

    Why not publish a report on Who's Behind the County Sheriffs?: The Video Equipment Companies Fueling Breaking and Entering Arrests

    Seriously, the deportation issue is a combination of people who do not respect the law and a broken immigration system which nobody seems to really want to fix.

    Sure, progressives make a lot of noise about it, but you can bet that they have no interest in actually seeing it fixed, as at the moment it is one of the few things they can use to rally their base. Besides, when Democrats had both houses of Congress and the presidency, they did not lift a finger to fix the immigration problem. Here is an excerpt from Obama's 2010 State of the Union:

    And we should continue the work of fixing our broken immigration system â" to secure our borders, enforce our laws, and ensure that everyone who plays by the rules can contribute to our economy and enrich our nations.

    Of course, if he said those same words today he would be branded a xenophobic racist by his own party. In fact, if I had not said up front that they were Obama's words from just 8 years ago, most would probably assume they were Trump's words from 8 days ago. And, of course, nobody wants to mention how ICE under Obama deported far more illegal immigrants that ICE under Trump. Clearly, the "abolish ICE" crowd only cares now because they don't like Trump.

    Of course, the Republicans right now have both houses of congress and the White House and don't seem to have much interest in fixing immigration either.

    It sure makes a handy political prop.

    1. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      a broken immigration system which nobody seems to really want to fix.

      Perhaps because most of the "fixes" make the problem worse.

      As someone who believes that freedom of movement is an inalienable human right, I certainly don't support any of Trump's proposals.

    2. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixing Immigration is a real PITB of a problem. You can't just round people up; there's historical precident for that, but stepping on 300 million people's 4th amendment rights won't work. There are ways to fix the issue but they are all going to involve use of deadly force at the border and enticing existing immigrants to register, appologize for coming here and acknowledge they did not understand what they were doing, and work towards citizenship.

      The problem is there's an elite that likes having 2nd class citizens around, and the boot on the neck of the citizenry that provides and they instigate.

      When the staff at a company aren't making money, usually the executive management or investorship are either drug addicts, or are usually so deranged by being isolated. Because they have great expecations on their shoulders, they don't want to acknowledge their decisions have lead to a nightmare for hundreds or thousands of people, so they look for excuses and like any good drug, its a desensitization trap. If they took the approach of an engineer; fast feedback loops and fast adjustments; the pain would be a smaller pill to swallow.

      They become trapped in a viscious cycle. Their planning doesn't work, they blame their staff and not their own shortcomings because they are usually extroverts, then think they need more control, so they take more away from their staff. But, this tends to erode discipline; why work harder for less, right? It also erodes freedom; why try to get more when I can't move on? You take those two things away, now everyone, executive management included, are on a very dark and forboding path and often the only way to sustain it is to entice more people into the trap. They don't realize its a trap, but people they hire, who may or may not be working for foreign intelligence agencies, might advise them to do the stupid.

      How do you get a bunch of de-motivated staff to self-correct? Lots of management books on that one. Usually it requires implimenting a profit sharing plan that provides staff with reasonable base-pay and majority-share of profits and has real teeth\cannot be dispelled on whim. The larger the company, the harder that is to pull off due to employee fraud and the genuine need to move staff around to counter competitive market forces.

      Finally, you have an element stroking the fires of racism against caucasians which everyone is starting to wake up to what that really is. Africans, Latinio's and to a lesser extent, Asians have not been in an aggressive culture and have not learned the needed lessons. Some of the glee whites feel when Africans, Indians, or Latino's say things like "We're going to replace you" or "We're going to kill you because we're better" is these people have finally taken the step of becoming that which they hate; they have finally become the Nazi's, they have finally hit rock bottom, peak overton bubble. You can finally have a discussion with them and really push a black man into a corner on that discussion hard. Caucasian culture left slavery behind 100's of years ago because we prooved it to be a pointless endeavour. Not everything they do is right, but on that topic, they are correct.

      Integrating technology and cultures into eachother is a PITA.

    3. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh know, I agree with ShanghaiBill about something! It's the end of days!

      Seriously, though, anyone who believes in globalization when it comes to companies but does not believe in globalization when it comes to people are only interested in oppressing people for their own ends.

    4. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      At some point you have to take a stand against the government doing things you don't agree with, or you become like IBM supporting the Nazis. IBM equipment was used to conduct censuses and round up people to be sent to concentration camps and be murdered. If the Nazis had not had access to that technology their operation would not have been so efficient, and their victims fewer in number. It's as black and white as that.

      Doubtless IBM didn't know or suspect that was going to happen, but we can learn from their mistake. We can recognize when organizations are exhibiting behaviour that should worry us.

      As for your Obama quote, you are right that it could almost have come from Trump's mouth. The difference is that when either president speaks in those general terms people put them in the context of their actual policies. For Obama that would be things like the amnesty and trying to address the problems at source, for Trump the focus would be on building a wall and harshly enforcing laws.

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    5. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes perfect sense, what you say.

      Obama -> says we should enforce our laws -> actually deports hundreds of thousands of illegals per year(more than racist W before him and so many that immigration activists take to calling him "deporter-in-chief" ->actually a good guy

      Trump -> says we should enforce our laws -> actually deports about half the number of illegals per year as Obama -> actually evil incarnate racist against immigrants

      You are absolutely right. When those presidents have spoken in general terms, people clearly characterize those generalities based on their actual policies. Not!

    6. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know about movement being an inalienable right, but the problem with US immigration is that it's geared to provide employers in certain industries with cheap labor that falls outside legal protections.

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    7. Re:Do you blame surveillance video for B&E? by anegg · · Score: 1

      Don't U.S. states with large illegal immigrant populations have a vested interest in keeping those large illegal immigrant populations? Political power in the US House of Representatives is apportioned by total population, not just by citizen population. Only citizens can vote in elections, however. The effective power of a citizen's vote in a community with many people who can't vote is greater than one in a community comprised mostly of voting citizens. Isn't this is why the "citizenship" question on the 2020 census is such a big deal? Illegal immigrants are unlikely to respond to a census where they would either have to state that they were not a citizen, or face the prospect of being caught lying on a federal form. If illegal immigrants don't respond to the census, they will be undercounted. Undercounting illegal immigrants could result in a shift of the apportioned representatives away from those states with high illegal immigrant populations.

      If the fraction of illegal immigrants to total population is low, the effects of this are minimal. But if the fraction of illegal immigrants become significant, the effect becomes significant.

  14. Peter Thiel's Palantir? Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Him again?

    I thought Peter Thiel was the gay guy that attacked Gawker after it mentioned he was gay, driving it out of business. Part of the defense people offered was that he does business in Saudi Arabia where being gay is a stoning crime enforced by the religious police. Claiming that Gawker put his life at risk by mentioning his homosexuality.

    Yet a quick Google and I see he is attending the Saudi Arabia conference. Be sure to pop into the consulate and get the visa sorted Peter! And remember, it is a very very big arm deal, and Khashoggi was respected, and you? Not so much.

    "Among the major companies and commercial figures still connected to the Future Investment Initiative [The Saudi conference a lot of people pulled out of] conference are Peter Thiel, a close ally of President Donald Trump"

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/activists-target-peter-thiel-and-other-powerful-americans-still-scheduled-for-saudi-investment-conference_us_5bc8caa9e4b0d38b58760f41

    1. Re:Peter Thiel's Palantir? Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Him again?

      I thought Peter Thiel was the gay guy that attacked Gawker after it mentioned he was gay, driving it out of business.

      Gawker committed suicide by refusing to obey a court order.

  15. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blacks account for 53.1% of all solved murders

    That's obviously only because cops are racists who work harder to solve crimes allegedly committed by african americans.

    Yeah, you're so right about that. I committed a serious felony right in frnot of a cop just the other day. He looked me up and down, estimating my total melanin content. He was satisfied that I fit most definitions of "Caucasian". The outcome was obvious. Even though he could have put me away for a very long time, he let me off with a warning by saying "now don't do it again".

    On top of that, it's obviously whites who have this "no snitching" culture that causes most white murders to go unsolved. Yeah that's totally whites, right.

    What you *really* have to look out for are all those majority-white meighborhoods. I mean, if you take a wrong turn and end up in one of them, God help you. Random violence is so very frequent in those, you know.

  16. Leftists are gonna rape you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're often called "leftists" but I find there are insecure little people like you all across the spectrum.

    That is wisdom. And while most people with strong beliefs are only too happy to spell them out, some actors are not genuinely left or right as they make out ... trolls driving the wedge further in.

    You nazi faggots are being replaced, we're going to literally rape you to death until you're gone.

    Genuine leftist discourse do you think?

    1. Re:Leftists are gonna rape you by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately these days its hard to tell. People that would otherwise be rational people and probably enjoyable to conversate with just spew hate and garbage because someone else has a different stance on something. Nobody is allowed to be their own person anymore. You have to think exactly how they do or you get dehumanized. It's really starting to get repulsive. Its ok to be an individual and have your own thoughts and beliefs.

    2. Re:Leftists are gonna rape you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately these days its hard to tell.

      In this particular case we are clearly looking at a far-right product. This is the blunt version of the "It's OK to be white" campaign, which is at least cute enough in that it attempts to trigger leftists to defame themselves. This is straightforward defamation by impersonation, and very lousy impersonation at that.

      People that would otherwise be rational people and probably enjoyable to [converse] with just spew hate and garbage because someone else has a different stance on something.

      People certainly spew hate and garbage because you have a different stance. I've been accused of being "in transition" and of being "transphobic" for the self same post on this very site. But you think these people would otherwise be rational ... really? I can't know.

      It's really starting to get repulsive.

      It really is.

  17. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's obviously only because cops are racists who work harder to solve crimes allegedly committed by african americans.

    In 2017 48% of NYC cannabis convictions were for Blacks and 9% were for Whites. It's clear that in NYC hardly any white folk smoke the weed, yeah?

  18. silicon valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amazon isn't silicon valley.

  19. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Kiuas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They're a violent people, plain and simple.

    Did you time travel here from the 1800s or something? Is your next argument going to be 'look at the shape(s) of their skulls, this proves they're primitive savages?'

    Look, the following things are true globally speaking about crime: people with lower socio-economic status commit more crimes. Pretty much universally most violence, especially gang-violence, is committed by young, disenfranchised males. Got no job and no access to education? Why not join a gang or a criminal organization. I mean, people prefer not being poor to being poor, but if you've no means of entering the education system (for example due to higher education being too expensive) often criminal activity is seen by young males as the best/most efficient route upwards in terms of social mobility and wealth.

    Look at developing countries and countries with higher murder rates than the West or the US. Southern america has a lot of problems. Do you think it's black people killing each other in the cartel wars in central and southern america? Do you think a high amount of black people is the reason for example Russia, and a lot of the other former Soviet states have such high violent crime statistics? Or could it possibly be that these are regions with extremely high poverty rates and income/wealth inequality which is fertile ground for social problems and organized violent crime and those who benefit from it?

    However, I have read in the past that in the US the poverty level alone does not explain the differences in stats, because the black population is over-represented in the stats even when controlling for income. Now I'm not American and by no means a criminologist, but as someone who works with data, I'm always interested in a data-driven approach, so I did some googling about racial crime data and economics and came across this post titled racial differences in homicide rates are poorly explained by economics, lets have a read shall we?

    Although it’s clear that poverty predicts homicide quite independently of black, it’s also clear that black predicts independently of the poverty. Moreover, if you look closely at the distribution and other analysis I present here it’ll be clear that poverty doesn’t come close to closing these racial differences.

    Single-motherhood is also a strong predictor.

    Although the data are somewhat noisy and single-motherhood is quite strongly associated with the black population (r=0.76 at the county level), it seems to me that:

    there is a non-linear relationship between single-motherhood and homicide (which may be throwing off the linear model estimates somewhat)
    counties with very high rates of single-motherhood have very high homicide rates even with negligible black populations
    blacker counties with low-rates of single-motherhood seem to have homicide rates much closer to the national average (the same cannot be said for other covariates)
    Based on the other evidence I have seen, I have come to view the single-motherhood being at least a very strong proxy for community health is and, in many respects, a stronger predictor of inter-racial differences than other measures like poverty rates. It does not entirely explain the observed racial differences here, but it mediates much of the relationship and does so more effectively than other common measures.

    Controlling for single-motherhood rates with an unweighted loess regression I find little evidence to suggest that percent black adds much in the way of predictive validity. - -

    Conclusion

    To summarize:

    1. There are vast differences in homicide rates between groups.
    * This “effect” is found consistently in aggregated and (racially) disaggregated data.

    --
    "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
  20. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I'm gonna say that has to do with less white people getting stopped by cops. I don't have time to find the numbers, FBI stats iirc. Its not because of racism either.

  21. F ICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy taco sauce on Amazon and get ICE instead.

  22. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In your phrenology link, there is a conspicuous absence of skull/race comparison photos. It shows a bunch of Ye Olde parchment drawings instead. Not a single photo of a skull, anywhere. Do you know why? Because profile photos of a negroid skull are *visibly* different in morphology. Much closer to an ape than any other race. Ask a forensic anthropologist.

  23. Among the Issues by ytene · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is one of those "devil in the detail" stories.

    For example, if the government used the resources of AWS for a basic "elastic compute" facility - i.e. to cope with surges in demand of their own in-house compute farms, and if (big if) all the applications that the government ran used a form of Application Level Enryption (ALE) that did not require the use of cloud-provider-owned HSMs, then this looks like a more-or-less conventional facilities outsourcing program.

    But what if it's not so clear-cut as that? What if the government stores data in the could, long term? What if the government uses Amazon HSMs to secure their content? By implication, the risk here is that this would give Amazon administrators access to the government's data. Should that happen, the least dangerous thing I'd expect to see is Amazon starting to shut down accounts for anyone on a government watch list. The worst-case scenario is much more significant.

    So a big part of the potential issue list for this sort of model will depend significantly upon the architecture that the Cloud providers agree to. Disclosure: I've worked for a very large financial institution that discussed cloud services with Amazon - and they absolutely refused to allow us to host our own HSMs in Amazon data centers. How likely are they to change that answer?

    The second question, after the relative safety of the data once it's in the cloud, concerns the way that the government is setting about this sort of procurement. There was, if I recall, some interesting material in the documentation released by Edward Snowden. The short version of this story is that BAH were putting together a proposal to meet a government RFC, in which a BAH technician raised the concern that even though it would be possible to implement the solution as requested, there was no way that the government would be able to interpret all the data the new system would collect. A BAH Manager wrote back, "Look, you're technically correct, OK? But your job isn't to tell the client that their idea won't work, your job is to sell the client whatever the client asks for. Then, next year, when the client realizes that this solution doesn't work, we can sell them an upgrade to fix that problem..."

    In other words, there is the danger that some of the providers that tender for this sort of business [and note: I am not for one moment suggesting that any company would certainly do this; rather, I am pointing out an implementation risk] might well be able or tempted to sell a solution to the government that just doesn't work. It's my experience that too often when a government runs a bidding process for a solution, the people responding to the bid know so much more about the topic than the person managing the bid, they run rings around them.

    This is particularly relevant because of the subject matter likely involved here. I can easily see the government saying that the entire bidding and outsourcing process has to be classified because "national security", which means that proper accountability controls will be pushed aside.

    That would not be good.

    1. Re:Among the Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should be modded up. You left out that the data is usually duplicated in 3 places - and my oh my, the backups. Helping matters is parity bits that can attack backups, assuming they were encrypted to begin with. Um, imagine if the container statuses got hacked, or got downgraded during a sync/replicate process.

      As the government is not going out of business in the next 10 years, it does not make sense to hire/ Lease long term storage

    2. Re:Among the Issues by anegg · · Score: 1

      This is one of those "devil in the detail" stories.

      Yes, and the article rather vacuously conflated a number of issues. The federal government is using a lot of AWS services as their IT infrastructure under the FedRAMP program https://www.fedramp.gov/, BUT - The data isn't just handed over to Amazon staff; the underlying IT infrastructure is provided by Amazon, and cared for by Amazon staff, but the responsibility for the data rests with the government workers (employees and contractors). To the best of my knowledge, Amazon doesn't get their fingers into all of the data and can't link the data from multiple agencies together. The driving force here is cost reduction through the economy of scale from the cloud service, and in some cases, a perceived transfer of some aspects of security risk.

      The fact that Amazon may also be providing some application-layer information processing technologies is distinctly separate, at least for now. Anyone with concerns about mashups should keep their eye on the Federal Register, however.

  24. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your comment is very well thought out, I'd like to add, one of the drivers of the single mother issue and violence was the crack epidemic of the heroin epidemic of the 70's and crack in the 80's resulting in the '"tough on crime" movements which arrested lots of black men for trivial amounts of drugs and sentenced them to many more years than a white person would receive (see sentencing differences between cocaine and crack until recently) This removed fathers from the community for a decade+. Racially biased policies and policing compounded the singe motherhood issue. If white people are treated the same for heroin today as blacks were in the 70-80's, I'm certain we'd see similar outcomes, instead heroin is treated as a health crisis now.

  25. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not saying there's no causation on the murder/single-motherhood correlation, but it definitely seems like it could be a chicken-egg feedback loop situation. Obviously, you're much more likely to grow up without a dad in a community where he is much more likely to be murdered.

  26. 1977 was 40+ years ago by jshackney · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure the spearhead of moving Big Brother to Silicon Valley was sometime around 1977 with Larry Ellison and Robert Miner holding the handle.

  27. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by epine · · Score: 1

    If you gave a shit about your own skin mattering, you wouldn't be posting as AC.

    Just what everyone needs: advice in race relations from a translucent asshole who squirts through risibly Spartan "condensed" matter, and who moans like an abandoned, one-eyed walrus in the attic on dark, damp nights, because his entire social life consists of roaming the countryside rattling chains, but he doesn't want his last moth-eaten bedsheet to end up smelling of mildew as that might arouse the sleeping scent-hounds of common sense (spoiling his one true joy in life: duping naive, sleep-deprived misanthropes into into bedwetting their flannel jammies over a frantic misapprehension that the call is coming from inside the house) .

    Oh, the agony of solitary troll confinement. We feel your pain. And your MO. And your BS. And your BO.

  28. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, this is why I come to /.
    Well done, Kiuas.

  29. Birds of a feather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trotsky-slut spew got outsourced to Silicon Valley on the backs of Brin and Page. We see and hear it like drumbeats from the media.koms and their poodles.left ... so .... why not MAD and VECTOR ?

  30. Re:Black Lives Matter? Not to black people!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have time to find the numbers

    They are cited here.

    I'm gonna say that has to do with less white people getting stopped by cops ... Its not because of racism either

    Assuming, for the sake of argument, a) the personal racial attitudes of the cops are in no way responsible for this and b) that there is no racial differential in rates of cannabis use, then the racial sub-group which makes up ca 25% of the city, in making up 48% of cannabis arrests, is unambiguously suffering under some serious structural disadvantage (even if the disadvantage is disproportionately residing in neighbourhoods with more snitches). There's some kind of analysis in NYT, but no numbers / graphs (that are displaying for me) sadly. Their conclusion:

    [W]e discovered was that when two precincts had the same rate of marijuana calls [i.e. complaints to police], the one with a higher arrest rate was almost always home to more black people. The police said that had to do with violent crime rates being higher in those precincts, which commanders often react to by deploying more officers.

    BTW, same AC who was conversing with you above.

  31. This won't end well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Classified data in a freaking third party CLOUD??

    I'm not sure the military can credibly delegate the physical security of military data.

    I like our tech titans, but at the end of the day, these players are just in it for the money. If somebody held a gun to the head of some cloud engineer, they'd divulge passwords; you know they would. Offer somebody like that twenty million bucks and they'll surrender the keys to the kingdom.

    We need our military data guarded by true nationalistic psychos who work for honor more than money, and who would immediately report any attempt at bribery, and take secrets to their grave as appropriate.

    I'd be fine with Amazon or Google forking their system and physically locating something entirely on secure military bases, because they really do have some cool tech, which really does have some strong military IT applications.

    But if they're talking about hosting it offsite..... then somebody needs to put down the crack pipe and get real. Even air gapped systems are hard to secure in today's world.

  32. No word of Atlantic Council? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the biggest use of data analysis, hiding posts so that nobody will ever see them, censor tons of Facebook and Twitter messages, and of course deleting whole accounts, is so far the Mighty http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/ .

    And yes, AC is led by some representatives of Nato countries, instant policy decisions being managed by USA and Israel.

    Twitter and Facebook also do have their own small censoring departments, but that is not where the actual beef comes from.

    Yes, even data analysis can be bought from Silicon Valley, but that is one of the many tools used by AC. AC has direct and unfeathered full access to any of the big players, lets say "just to help with your heaps of daily workloads". ... or is that something that Reuters, AP, MSNBC, CNN and Fox managed not to tell the people?