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Apple Investigates Claim That Illegal Student Labor Was Used To Assemble Apple Watch (bgr.com)

Apple is currently investigating a report that Apple Watch supplier Quanta Computer relied upon illegally employed students to help manufacture the company's exceedingly popular wearable. "Originally brought to light by The Financial Times, the report details how dozens of students were ostensibly working as interns, but in reality were working assembly line shifts, often throughout the night. Some students even reported working six days a week in 12-hour shifts," reports BGR. From the report: The allegations stem from a report put together by SACOM, a workers rights group based out of Hong Kong. In compiling its report, SACOM notes that it interviewed upwards of 28 students. The FT report reads in part: "The alleged abuses echo the labour violations uncovered last year in Apple's iPhone supply chain at its Foxconn Zhengzhou factory, where both Apple and Foxconn acknowledged that student interns had illegally worked overtime. The two companies said at the time that they would end the practice of student interns working extra hours." In a statement on the matter, Apple said that it is "urgently" looking into the aforementioned claims and that they have a "zero tolerance" policy for companies who try to skirt around Apple's workplace guidelines.

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  1. Forced internship is salvery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internship as part of a high school or tech school degree is a form of slavey.

    Assembling an apple watch has zero educational value. Apple is responsible for this

    1. Re: Forced internship is salvery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      3rd party supplier dumbass.

    2. Re: Forced internship is salvery by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      shut up.

      I was an intern and made time-and-a-half overtime and double time on holidays. really helped with the college bills.

      properly paid internship is a blessing.

    3. Re:Forced internship is salvery by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Using interns for your main assembly labor force can be wrong, but for engineering students, assembling for a few weeks or so can be HIGHLY instructional. Exposing students to production processes, manufacturing tolerances, and QC and such is a great way to get them to think, truly, about design-for-manufacturing as a core belief rather than a check-box as the end of a design. I know more than a few factories in the US that require their engineers reach at least "B" level performance at each production stage before being allowed to start designing gear for this very reason. If you are not intimately familiar with the assembly process and procedures of your factory, you're going to have a hard time designing something that can be reliably and consistently built in any kind of quantities.

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    4. Re:Forced internship is salvery by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when you build your stuff as cheaply as possible.

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    5. Re:Forced internship is salvery by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      When I was first in college, I worked as a temp in a factory over summer. I'll always remember an "engineer" there who would come by and try to see how he could improve the lines for packing batteries. He was all excited that I was an engineering student and kept asking me stuff to help the line personally. Except it usually went like this: "Would this improve the process for you?" No. "Oh ok. Just brainstorming a few ideas here." Next day I come in and he did what I said wouldn't help. And it made work harder.

      Seems like he could've used some battery packing 8 hours a day for a while himself.

    6. Re:Forced internship is salvery by dj245 · · Score: 1

      Using interns for your main assembly labor force can be wrong, but for engineering students, assembling for a few weeks or so can be HIGHLY instructional. Exposing students to production processes, manufacturing tolerances, and QC and such is a great way to get them to think, truly, about design-for-manufacturing as a core belief rather than a check-box as the end of a design.

      Not just the engineering side, but the people side. More than half the problems I deal with are playground politics between labor and management.

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    7. Re: Forced internship is salvery by houghi · · Score: 1

      That is called a temp job.

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    8. Re: Forced internship is salvery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah?! On MY internship, I made time-and-a-half for every minute past the first, plus TRIPLE time after the second hour. If I worked on weekends, I got paid TEN TIMES my base rate.

      Boy, I wish I'd gotten paid for that internship...

    9. Re: Forced internship is salvery by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      it was called being intern, plenty of intern jobs pay. screw the ones with no pay.

      also, I got job at the place after graduating. great deal

  2. again? by Vanyle · · Score: 1

    Didn't they already do this? https://www.bbc.com/news/busin...

  3. Dude it was right in the summary by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yes that was happening before, as the very summary of the article said. So Foxconn said they had stopped it, but this report shows perhaps it was not stopped after all.

    Which is also what the summary said.

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    1. Re:Dude it was right in the summary by Vanyle · · Score: 1

      Also, just noticed this bit - this is by Quanta Computer not Foxconn, my mistake.

  4. Self exoneration incoming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple fanbois standing by to parrot.

    1. Re:Self exoneration incoming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.. They will somehow blame the slave labourers for this.

    2. Re:Self exoneration incoming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snitches get stitches

  5. Hire monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they is serious about preventing worker's abuse, they need to hire a full-time monitors for every manufacturing partners. Of course those monitors can be bribed by the manufacturers but that can be minimized by rotating them in and out and having multiple of them per site. They can pull double duty by monitoring the QC of the production lines.

  6. I call bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    relied upon illegally employed students to help manufacture the company's exceedingly popular wearable.

    ... the Apple watched are not exceedingly popular.

    1. Re:I call bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is the #1 watch company by total sales. That's more than Rolex.

    2. Re:I call bullshit... by Immerman · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I'm trying to remember the last time I saw someone with a Rolex watch - they're not exactly what I'd call a popular brand either. Though with their prices they could be hundreds of times less popular than, say, Timex, while still leading them in sales.

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    3. Re:I call bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple could market used wooden horse buggies with a silver apple sticker slapped on the back and be the "#1 buggy company by total sales" overnight. That wouldn't make their buggy "exceedingly popular".

    4. Re:I call bullshit... by Camembert · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, Apple is the leading watch brand by value. Rolex make and largely sell approx 800k-1m expensive watches per year (based on the number of chronometer certifications they receive). The Apple watch is obviously a lot less expensive, and they will this year sell something like 20 million pieces (depending on the market analysts between 15m and 25m) which is frankly quite impressive.

    5. Re:I call bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And 30 years from now, those Rolex watches will STILL be worth $$$$, a 30 yr Apple product will be a museum piece, if it works at all.

    6. Re:I call bullshit... by Camembert · · Score: 1

      Well it costs an order of magnitude less and will give interesting health related functionality for say 5-10 years. Not a bad trade-off.

  7. Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm sure Apple is devastated...

    1. Re: Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I devastated your moms vag last night

      You poor poor man. I hope medicine will advance to a point where you will walk again, she's a landwhale.

    2. Re:Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Good old "profits above people" apple

  8. Re: THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  9. Every major products company does this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think they don't know? They could care less what happens at their factories in Taiwan, China, India, etc. They don't want to know. If it comes out in the media they have to suck it up and act surprised, it's just the cost of doing business to them.

    Then again, as a lot of documentaries show, if pants or shirts cost under a certain amount of money, odds are very, very high that it was with exploited labor. Does anybody buying at the stores care in first world countries? Not really.

    I watched one of those leaked clips from a Nike owned factory and the Indian factory owner was explaining that if an order is late even by one day they don't even get paid. He shrugged and said "that's why we have to work fast. It's just the way it is."

    There was another large clothing company (I forgot the name) with a factory in the Philippines. In fact, only employees there over 3 years got paid money. The rest were only "paid" subsistence via meals and dorm-like housing. So if they wanted the means to eat and sleep, they had to work, but it was impossible to actually get any money.

    Nothing will ever change unless enough people change something.

    1. Re:Every major products company does this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would literally slice something off for a "whataboutism" mod.

    2. Re:Every major products company does this already by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      "Off Topic"

  10. Communist party says its part of education ... by drnb · · Score: 2

    Internship as part of a high school or tech school degree is a form of slavey. Assembling an apple watch has zero educational value.

    Actually the communist party leaders says it is educational, educational to the degree that it is a required component of education for some. In particular for college students who are on a track to be managers or leaders or some sort. These communist party leaders argue that these future managers and leaders must understand the worker's perspective from their own first hand experience. A requirement of spending time on a farm or in a factory is not unheard of in communist china.

  11. The PEOPLES republic by shaksys · · Score: 1

    I thought communism was supposed to be pro-worker.

    1. Re:The PEOPLES republic by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      To quote Orwell, some workers are more equal than other workers.

    2. Re:The PEOPLES republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a group inside the communist leadership that looked around at the world in the 1970s and determined that China was basically going nowhere, stuck in poverty, political chaos, and famines. So they opened up China to development. These 'horrible factory jobs' in 2018 are vastly better for "the workers" than, ahem, starving to death in the 1950s like their parents did or getting beaten to death by a gang of politically radicalized teenagers like in the 1970s.

    3. Re:The PEOPLES republic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean paraphrase, Jigglenuts.

    4. Re:The PEOPLES republic by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I thought communism was supposed to be pro-worker.

      It *is* pro-worker. It's work until you die, and maybe you'll get a chocolate ration this year or a bullet in the head, which will be billed to your family(if any are still alive). It's famously beside the "livestock belongs to everyone" and "throw them into a gulag for not giving enough to the state."

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  12. Re: Forced internship is slavery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article mentioned the students were doing work not even in their fields. Third party or not, Apple outsourced it.

  13. you know..they could just make the watches here.. by takochan · · Score: 3, Informative

    If Apple is so concerned about slave labor, rather than having this keep coming up year after year..

    they could you know..just make the watches here in America..

    like they used to with Macs and Apples years ago..

    Just saying..

  14. Skirting Guidelines by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they have a "zero tolerance" policy for companies who try to skirt around Apple's workplace guidelines.

    Maybe they'd have more success if they renamed that to 'mandatory workplace requirements'.

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  15. 3X typical cost at market, "interns" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple.

  16. if people knew how bad things were in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they'd probably stop complaining about foxconn. 12 hours for 6 days, is better than having two jobs which is what a lot of Americans have. they are interns... do you have any idea what Internship is used for in America? and this thing about the "assembly line" being so horrible - compare it to working fast food in the US or working as a Nurse or whatever. Or god forbid you examine working conditions on farms in the US. there are many many jobs in America that are much much worse than these high tech Chinese factories, which is why Chinese people fight like hell to get jobs in them. A lot of Americans just have a delusional view of what work is like in the US, and act like somehow this stuff in China is a horror show - no, it's not. open your eyes around you. you can find worse conditions in your own city, and your local paper has likely never done a story on them.

    1. Re:if people knew how bad things were in America by shilly · · Score: 1

      This deserves modding up -- it's insightful

    2. Re:if people knew how bad things were in America by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No it isn't. Working as a nurse is worse than working in a Chinese factory assembling iPhones? And "working conditions on farms"? Obviously no one here has ever visited a farm. This isn't the 1940s.

    3. Re:if people knew how bad things were in America by dj245 · · Score: 1

      No it isn't. Working as a nurse is worse than working in a Chinese factory assembling iPhones?.

      Back injuries are very common in the nursing field. I can't recall the source but moving patients from beds to gurneys and back is more dangerous than a lot of industrial work.

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    4. Re:if people knew how bad things were in America by shilly · · Score: 1

      Worse is pretty subjective. But it's certainly just as tough, if not considerably tougher. Long hours, relatively low pay, physically demanding, mentally exhausting, lots of accountability but relatively little independence, etc.

      As for farms, let's quote a faith-based organisation that works to alleviate the conditions of farmers: "Farm workers are among the poorest workers in this country. Child farm workers risk their safety, health, and education working our fields because their parents can’t earn a living wage. Hazardous conditions are routine, including pesticide exposure, extreme heat and lack of shade and adequate clean drinking water.

      Agricultural work is hard work."

  17. reputation by Teguhsunandar · · Score: 1

    if this is true it will endanger Apple's reputation even though he is not the one who does it

    1. Re:reputation by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      obviously, and this is why Apple is worried (otherwise, not sure they would give a damn).

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    2. Re:reputation by technosaurus · · Score: 1

      I think the phrase he is looking for is due diligence.

    3. Re:reputation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if this is true it will endanger Apple's reputation even though he is not the one who does it

      Dude, nobody cares.

      Some people pretend they do though. But they will buy the damn things anyway.

    4. Re:reputation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      if this is true it will endanger Apple's reputation even though he is not the one who does it

      And they will deserve it, since they know what they're doing. If they actually gave a damn about workers they would have kept manufacturing here in the USA. where they used to have it.

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  18. Tim Cook is SHOCKED there's gambling in the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    casino.

    Um, the slave labor is the exact reason so many American tech firms moved production to China. I was working in a computer company in the mid 1980s when a guy brought in a man from China to see our CEO. The guy who brought in the Chinese man told my then boss how great his move to production had gone - every morning the Chinese military brought the workers to the factory and every evening took them back out, checking each worker for stolen items. He had the right number of workers every day and they all worked very hard to avoid being punished, and they were extremely cheap. My boss at the time was a US military vet and was repulsed, so he did not do any deals to move anything to China, though years later he had to close down in the face of all the competition from companies that did make the move.

    Back when Apple shifted production to China, there was NO advanced tech in China to justify the move - the slave labor was the only rational reason to move the work. It's a complete lie for them now to pretend to be shocked by ANY sub-standard labor conditions in China - since when they originally moved there the conditions were so rotten and evil.

  19. Because Apple wants their slice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If their supplier used illegal student labor to save money, Apple will demand their cut. Hence the investigation. No more complicated than that.

  20. Re:you know..they could just make the watches here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Apple is so concerned about slave labor, rather than having this keep coming up year after year..

    they could you know..just make the watches here in America..

    like they used to with Macs and Apples years ago..

    Just saying..

    If they do it will be a highly automated factory with relatively few positions for humans and those will require a degree of education that is no longer available in large portions of the US after a couple of decades of US public school systems having been systematically disassembled by the Republicans and replaced with either crappy overpriced privates schools or nothing. If you have been home schooled by a bunch of people who think god created the world 6000 years ago, that Adam and Eve rode to church in the garden of Eden on the backs of dinosaurs and that the problem of computers overheating can be solved by repealing the laws of thermodynamics, jobs in high tech are hard to come by.

  21. Commie Phone by johnsie · · Score: 1

    Apple Commie phones are build by red china.

  22. Apple investigating themselves again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let me guess, not guilty!

  23. Not a shocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple uses the same sort of factories that make other electronics. Most of those factories at one time or another have been exposed to having violated labor requirements. Its how stuff gets made in places like China. Not sure it bothers people that much other then real news people expose it and makes the respective company selling the product investigate the claims.

  24. Re:THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DO by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

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  25. Re:THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DO by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    They didn't build their bot to actually give that information. You'll have to wait for version 2.0

    I'm just curious where the consequences fall on the consequence spectrum - are we talking a 5-minute time out with the phone taken away; or being put up against the wall 1950s communist purge style?

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  27. Re:you know..they could just make the watches here by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    That was before our elites collectively agreed to fuck us over and put an end to our good lives. NAFTA was the nail in the coffin of the American working class and it passed not under a Republican but under Bill Clinton and the Democrats. The Democrats also passed the harsh laws that put millions of working class in prison for ticky-tack offenses. They were all set to pass the TPP which would have been even worse until Trump threw a monkey wrench in their plans.

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  28. Apple's denial is face saving by zferrini · · Score: 0

    If Apple had its way these stories would get squyashed. They are trying to look noble, it's a bunch of BS. ALL corporations would do it if they knew they wouldn't get caught so your a fool if you really believe Apple is a saint!

  29. The hell you say! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shockingly, the pushers behind such laws are less those concerned for students than labor unions not liking it cutting into their work.

  30. You think anyone really cares? by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    If they did, people would stop buying this stuff. Nope, the commie government, has approximately 1.5 BILLION "cheerful" workers to exploit one way or another. And those workers, when shown in the print & television media will have SMILES on their faces, with brand new clean uniforms. Nope, they won't be shown in their "living conditions", which are basically a prison dorm, where the money you make, goes toward your room & board, to the point you are pretty much a slave to the shop you work for. Gotta keep churning out all that Chinese made electronics so people world wide can stand in line for a new one every few months.

  31. So Tim - Cali min wage in effect there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tim has been a leading light in liberal causes.
    Are you putting your money where your mouth is?
    Are you paying these people the $15/hr you are advocating?
    Or are you using unpaid interns to pad your own bank account?

  32. What an odd story. by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    I thought that's how all Apple products were made nowadays.

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