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Tiny Books Fit in One Hand. Will They Change the Way We Read? (nytimes.com)

Several readers have shared a report about publishing industry's new gamble to drive people to buy physical copies of books: making the books much tinier. From the report: As a physical object and a feat of technology, the printed book is hard to improve upon. Apart from minor cosmetic tweaks, the form has barely evolved since the codex first arose as an appealing alternative to scrolls around 2,000 years ago. So when Julie Strauss-Gabel, the president and publisher of Dutton Books for Young Readers, discovered "dwarsliggers" -- tiny, pocket-size, horizontal flipbacks that have become a wildly popular print format in the Netherlands -- it felt like a revelation. "I saw it and I was like, boom," she said. "I started a mission to figure out how we could do that here." This month, Dutton, which is part of Penguin Random House, began releasing its first batch of mini books, with four reissued novels by the best-selling young-adult novelist John Green. The tiny editions are the size of a cellphone and no thicker than your thumb, with paper as thin as onion skin. They can be read with one hand -- the text flows horizontally, and you can flip the pages upward, like swiping a smartphone. It's a bold experiment that, if successful, could reshape the publishing landscape and perhaps even change the way people read. Next year, Penguin Young Readers plans to release more minis, and if readers find the format appealing, other publishers may follow suit.

141 comments

  1. I read too quickly for this by StuartHankins · · Score: 2

    I would be constantly turning the page. I don't see the benefit for most people. Onionskin is not easy to turn, tears too easily... so many problems with this.

    Put it to market and see what happens. Just because I don't like the idea and won't get a benefit doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.

    1. Re:I read too quickly for this by Potor · · Score: 1

      Apparently these problems can be overcome as the dwarsliggers are reportedly "wildly popular" in the Netherlands.

      I must say though I have never seen one in Belgium, where I spend half of the year. Perhaps I am not observant enough.

    2. Re:I read too quickly for this by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem with books is not the physical size, it's the fact that we already spend far too long looking at screens and then looking at small print in a book for another hour or two just isn't that appealing.

      I've been using more audiobooks lately for this reason. I usually want to give my eyes a rest.

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    3. Re:I read too quickly for this by sycodon · · Score: 2

      As the majority of the population advances into their 50s and 60's someone thinks tiny books with tiny type is a good idea.

      Facepalm!

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    4. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a bit of industry experience and I can tell you the dutch don't buy books.

      Just looking at sales numbers you'd think they were illiterate.

      So these are young adult kiddy baby books that are popular there, and I'm not surprised.

      Maybe they are too stoned to read book-books?

    5. Re:I read too quickly for this by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I would be constantly turning the page. I don't see the benefit for most people. Onionskin is not easy to turn, tears too easily... so many problems with this.

      Put it to market and see what happens. Just because I don't like the idea and won't get a benefit doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.

      For myself, not seeing a back light and I doubt they sit open on a desk without using a hand to hold them open.

    6. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using audiobooks because i can *move*. modern life has got way too much sitting for me to need yet another reason to sit more.

    7. Re:I read too quickly for this by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 2

      You can turn on lights or gget special glasses if the glare is too much
      Honestly find it relaxing on my eyes to read a book over a display.

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    8. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommend that you read more slowly and reflect more deeply on what you have read.

      That said, I do think it's a stupid idea. We've have pockets in our clothes for hundreds of years. Nobody felt the need to make an actual pocket sized book, or rather they did but it never caught on because of all the problems.

      Inventing some new style of clothing that can hold a paperback would be more revolutionary than making a book that is uncomfortably small to read.

    9. Re:I read too quickly for this by Muros · · Score: 2

      Aging doesn't make this sound appealing. I've lived with being slightly short sighted my whole life, but now I'm at the age where the reverse is starting to kick in too. I can't see anything closer than about 6 inches to my eye clearly, which isn't a problem but it will get worse. I'll stick to books I can ready without a magnifying glass or reading glasses, thank you.

    10. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may come with a built-in magnifier glass!/p.

    11. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      But you're not appreciating the innovation:

      the text flows horizontally

      I mean, with an idea like that, it'll revolutionize reading in Latin and Cyrillic alphabets!

    12. Re:I read too quickly for this by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      But you're not appreciating the innovation:

      the text flows horizontally

      I mean, with an idea like that, it'll revolutionize reading in Latin and Cyrillic alphabets!

      Bad news for the Japanese. These books won't work as well for Japanese readers- and they're typically the ones most into miniaturizing things.

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    13. Re:I read too quickly for this by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the reason is that on-line access is better? This CCSU statistic suggests you may just not be very good at selling obsolescent technology.
      http://www.ccsu.edu/wmln/rank....

    14. Re: I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Entering "dwarsligger" into YouTube yields a 9 year old promotional video. This NYT article sounds like a Submarine.

    15. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not observant enough

    16. Re:I read too quickly for this by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Hell, i"m wondering how small the damned text would be on these.....getting hard enough to read regular type without having to whip out the 'readers'....lol

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    17. Re: I read too quickly for this by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      9-year-olds are making promotional videos now? Amazing kids these days!

    18. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm from Holland and I've never even seen one. Now back to my e-reader...

    19. Re:I read too quickly for this by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      I would be constantly turning the page. I don't see the benefit for most people. Onionskin is not easy to turn, tears too easily... so many problems with this.

      Put it to market and see what happens. Just because I don't like the idea and won't get a benefit doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.

      I'm wondering about the longevity of the books. If the paper is thin then they would be much more susceptible to tearing, smudging, stains, etc. The ubiquitous paperback can last for decades and usually makes its way to libraries, shared reading shelves at work, etc. I'm willing to bet that, while this new book format is popular, it isn't as robust as the average paperback format. Of course, authors would love this because they would make more money on reprints.

    20. Re: I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Being Dutch and living in Switzerland, I think the Dutch read faster than the swiss, if only because all TV is in the original language with subtitles.
      So all Dutch get several hours of training per week if not let day in trying to read / reading so fast they don't miss the scene.
      Here in Zurich, just proposing a movie in the original language if in a purely Swiss group is often met with: I don't want to read, I want to watch a movie...

    21. Re:I read too quickly for this by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm from Holland and I've never even seen one.

      The people claiming they are "wildly popular" are the people trying to sell them. So they have a self-interest in exaggerating.

      I have a Dutch friend. I sent her a link to this story, and she said she has never seen one, or even heard of them before, although she also admits she would have no interest in the titles currently published in this format (mostly chick-fiction (trashy novels)).

      Now back to my e-reader...

      Indeed. I see no advantage of this format over etext, and several obvious disadvantages.

    22. Re:I read too quickly for this by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Apparently these problems can be overcome as the dwarsliggers are reportedly "wildly popular" in the Netherlands."

      Students use it for cheating if they haven't read the book.

      I'm an old fart, I read 1-2 books a day (retired) for me kindle unlimited is the way to go.

    23. Re:I read too quickly for this by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Hell, i"m wondering how small the damned text would be on these.....getting hard enough to read regular type without having to whip out the 'readers'....lol"

      Exactly, books where you cannot change the font-size is so 20th century.

    24. Re:I read too quickly for this by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "I've been using more audiobooks lately for this reason. I usually want to give my eyes a rest."

      Don't close your eyes though, you're in the car right now.

    25. Re:I read too quickly for this by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "As the majority of the population advances into their 50s and 60's someone thinks tiny books with tiny type is a good idea."

      Indeed.

      When I don't have my glasses, I just use "End Of The World" font on my kindle.

      And also, when I was in high-school we used Reklam books, which were really tiny with very thin pages and very cheap.
      After one school-year, you just threw it away.
      But good enough to use in school and read on the train.
      They had book-vending machines in 1912 already.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    26. Re: I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Nobody felt the need to make an actual pocket sized book, or rather they did but it never caught on because of all the problems."

      That was the original idea behind the paperback format actually. Paperbacks actual for in the back pocket of men's pants and the pockets of ladies dresses when the were new.

      What old is new again.

    27. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends what the pages are made from. If it's just regular thin paper (or literally onion skin, come to that), then yes. But it could be some much stronger, more opaque thin compound, in which case this may work better than you imagine.

    28. Re:I read too quickly for this by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Bad news for the Japanese

      Wrong. Joke or not, the Japanese text follows the same lines as the English text, except all "characters" are turned 90 degrees clockwise. Thus they turn the book 90 deg CW to read the text (from right to left, top to bottom).

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    29. Re:I read too quickly for this by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      *they turn the book 90 deg CCW

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    30. Re:I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt people will give up their ebook readers. They have far too many advantages over dead tree books.

    31. Re: I read too quickly for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dutchy here. Never seen one. Only vaguely heard of it, NOBODY has them. They are wildly impopular.

    32. Re: I read too quickly for this by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Exactly, books where you cannot change the font-size is so 20th century.

      Must suck not to have elbows.

    33. Re: I read too quickly for this by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      As the majority of the population advances into illiteracy, someone thinks books are a good idea. ;)

    34. Re: I read too quickly for this by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Indeed; I had a new Stephenson hardcover fall apart in my hands.

    35. Re:I read too quickly for this by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      That's why I use an epub reader. TTV works well enough for me and I can switch between reading and listening. I'm not a fan of highly produced audiobooks. I just want to hear the words that are written.

  2. does it come with magnifying glasses? by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would need MAGNIFICATION to read a "tiny" book, as would most people over 50.

    1. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you actually look at the article? The font does not appear to be smaller, instead they changed the way you read the content and have removed nearly all white space (you know, the huge gaps of white space that tends to be on books on the edges).

    2. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      It's New York Times.

      Can't read it if you've exceeded your 10 free visits for the month.

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    3. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private browsing FTW

    4. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the text so small? Who took my false teeth? That cloud is looking at me funny I'm calling the police.

    5. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this.

      The book format mentioned is anything but new, they exist for various years by now, i'd say about a decade. However, to keep the book thin, the font is really small. I can read it find as i'm nearsighted, but many can't, and even i don't think it's comfortable to read. Also, you have to flip pages way too often.

      Other -presumably younger- people seem to like the format which is totally fine with me. But having said that, i think there's an even larger market for large font books.

    6. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, literally responded back to you to say lol. Guess you should subscribe hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaah. But yea, their fault I guess? lol

    7. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      [they] have removed nearly all white space (you know, the huge gaps of white space that tends to be on books on the edges).

      That's not what I see in the animation in TFA. Each open pair of pages looks about like a single page of a conventional book. I can't see any particular advantage, except for books you might want to carry in the pocket like a guide book.

    8. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't figure out how to bypass their incredibly simple "paywall" you shouldn't be here and you most definitely shouldn't be making retarded statements that are almost immediately refuted by the article.

      Go to Reddit and look at cat pictures or something.

    9. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 2

      Magnifiers... I sure wish Slashdot would allow better font size control on mobile phones, because it is just a tiny bit too small for me to read comfortably... so I zoom and then scroll left and right constantly which gets old and so I dont read much on my phone from here.

      Oh, and I should have put the Dune link about the built-in magnifier on this thread. :)

      http://technovelgy.com/ct/cont...

      "The Orange Catholic bible is a syncretic work created far into our future, but also well into the past in Dune. This piece of technovelgy combines a set of inventions in one package. The pages are of a filament paper, to delicate to be touched - so the pages are moved by the book itself, using small static charges. I own a very small (2.5"x3.5") copy of the complete New Testament that has very thin pages - it's approximately 1/3" thick. The filament paper book also has an automatic paging system; it flips through itself. And, of course, a built-in magnifying glass."

    10. Re:does it come with magnifying glasses? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      2nd'ed on the resizable font. Mobile browsers used to reflow, but none of them seem to allow much zooming anymore.

  3. Will they change the way we read. by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

    No Computers, tablets, and cell phones have though.

    1. Re:Will they change the way we read. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Dude, could you post a TL;DR to summarize that wall of text?

    2. Re:Will they change the way we read. by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      I could post a car analogy, would that help?

    3. Re:Will they change the way we read. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if we need to actually read it. Maybe you could stream it on Twitch?

  4. New? by superdave80 · · Score: 1

    They can be read with one hand -- the text flows horizontally, and you can flip the pages upward, like swiping a smartphone.

    Not at all like a regular book, which can be read with one hand, the text flows vertically, and you can flip the pages sideways, like swiping a smartphone. Oh, wait...

    1. Re:New? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I have read over a thousand books on my smartphone, held vertically, using volume buttons to flip pages. Very tiny text on the screen too.

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  5. No. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    eBooks will change the way we store books, but tiny little books won't do much of anything, if pocket Bibles/Korans/Wildlife Guides/etc haven't already.

    Alas, as long as people cater to quaint historical customs like making books out of paper, not much will change in the big picture....

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    1. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eBooks will change the way we store books, but tiny little books won't do much of anything, if pocket Bibles/Korans/Wildlife Guides/etc haven't already.

      Alas, as long as people cater to quaint historical customs like making books out of paper, not much will change in the big picture....

      How many people still have a 3.5" drive? Did you really buy your books or did you buy a non-transferrable licence that can be revoked at any time?

      With any luck at all, owning what you buy and being able to still read your own books 25 years from now will never be a "quaint historical custom."

    2. Re:No. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Alas, as long as people cater to quaint historical customs like making books out of paper, not much will change in the big picture....

      You would prefer that all books be virtual, which will mean they will likely be served up by a handful of vendors in the proverbial "cloud". Unfortunately, much like many Netflix fans can attest, content can be added and erased on a whim, based on popularity. And that's before we even start addressing the other obvious issues attacking free speech.

      Sorry, but I prefer a hell of a lot more effort in between free speech and censorship. The one good thing about book burnings is it takes real effort to police and eradicate every printed copy. In fact, one can easily call that task impossible. That won't be the case in your future. It will only take a few clicks from those In Control to exert censorship or eradicate history when it's all virtual.

      TL; DR - We have those "quaint historical customs" to thank for pretty much all of recorded history, to include history some would prefer to censor or eradicate altogether. eBooks are different. Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.

    3. Re:No. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Alas, as long as people cater to quaint historical customs like making books out of paper, not much will change in the big picture....

      I quite like physical media. We're leaving a permanent record for distant generations to look back on us and understand us. Once everything goes digital a lot of that will be lost- or at least more prone to being wiped out or deteriorated or not known how to access.

      If we have another dark ages- everything digitally stored could be lost if we have to build up society from scratch again.

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    4. Re:No. by tquasar · · Score: 1

      I have many photographs some a century old. Will my family be able to view images on a SD card or other media 100 years from now?

    5. Re:No. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      You would prefer that all books be virtual, which will mean they will likely be served up by a handful of vendors in the proverbial "cloud".

      I would? Tell me more about...me.

      I own several hundred ebooks. None of them are stored in the "cloud". Either on my desktop, my wife's desktop, or my laptop. And copied to my reader as needed....

      As to why I own several hundred ebooks...well, I also own several thousand paper books. And don't really have storage space for more. It's a generous description to say I have the space for the ones I have already....

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    6. Re: No. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Stop pretending you are the next Stallman. Eating your own toe cheese doesn't make you an eclectic genius. It makes you a wannabe who doesn't grasp the situation. Digital copies of books are more easily proliferated and even more "impossible" to be eradicated. DRM is always defeated by someone, and luckily only one person needs to defeat it.

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    7. Re: No. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Digital copies of books are more easily proliferated and even more "impossible" to be eradicated.

      Fortunately digital degrades gracefully - those stick figures painted on the walks of caves? They used to be jpegs and bitmaps.

  6. Sic semper tyrannis by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Politician: "What good are tiny, one-hand books?"

    Printer engineer: "Senator, in 20 years, you will be having an impulse to censor them."

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  7. Backpage Ads Much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The backpages of adult magazines used to advertise "mini" hardcore magazines that could be read with one hand.

  8. here's an idea... by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    how about an electronic version of a book that I can read on my phone screen? I'm going to make a million bucks!

    1. Re: here's an idea... by houghi · · Score: 2

      If the app has the abilty to connect to a printer, so I can print it to scan and send to my email, you have a customer.

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    2. Re: here's an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to need those 300 JPEG's put into 300 separate .docx files before I can open them. Thanks.

  9. Republican nazi whines again, reads zero books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nazi whiner : Help, I'm being oppressed because of my murderous beliefs!

    1. Re:Republican nazi whines again, reads zero books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, you sure showed those strawmen how smart you are! What amazing argumentation!

    2. Re:Republican nazi whines again, reads zero books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nazi whiner : Help, I'm being oppressed because of my murderous beliefs!

    3. Re:Republican nazi whines again, reads zero books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA! You sound like this guy!

  10. Popular? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    "dwarsliggers" -- tiny, pocket-size, horizontal flipbacks that have become a wildly popular print format in the Netherlands

    Wildly popular? I've never seen these "in the wild', only a couple in bookstores. And online bookstores seem to push these.
    I like the name though. Dwars means across, and dwarsligger means either a crosstie (supporting train tracks) or an obstinate or obstructive person.

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  11. At least move away from trade paperbacks by pavon · · Score: 1

    I find it frustrating how many books I can only find as trade paperbacks rather than mass market paperbacks. They are less convenient and more expensive. The ability to shove a book in my back pocket is a big factor in whether I have it with me. Front pocket might be a nice improvement, I'd have to try it out, although the thin paper makes it sound like it will be sold at a premium.

    1. Re:At least move away from trade paperbacks by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I find it frustrating how many books I can only find as trade paperbacks rather than mass market paperbacks. They are less convenient and more expensive.

      And that answers why they do trade paperbacks more often. More expensive so they make more money. It also looks more "premium" so people will assume it is a better read. (even though that is rubbish and you shouldn't judge the book by it's cover: it's all part of the marketing).

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    2. Re:At least move away from trade paperbacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it has more to do with the market, and not with some greedy conspiracy by book publishers.

      I have never shoved a book in my back pocket. I'm not even sure I've ever had back pockets big enough to fit a book into-- mass market paperback or not.

      I do not think I've ever seen or heard of anyone sticking a book in their pocket in my entire life. A mass market paperback is still pretty thick. I seriously don't think this is possible with most pants, and I wear loose jeans most of the time, so I'm just dumbfounded about this statement.

      On the other hand, what I have heard from my book loving friends are complaints about the quality of paper used in mass market paperbacks. I personally have a lot of yellowed, brittle paper mass market paperbacks since they are cheaply made and aren't meant to last. I have even more, which even with relatively careful reading, look like absolute garbage due to the cheap cover stock used for the cover.

      I have trade paperbacks, on the other hand, which look fine despite similar handling. I admit most of them are a bit newer since I recall them being less popular than the cheap mass market ones for a long time.

      As books became associated as more of a "premium" product, the idea of producing a cheap version just doesn't makes sense anymore. A person who wants to carry books in their back pocket, and doesn't mind the cheap newsprint paper of a mass market copy, is normally just as likely get a copy on an e-reader or phone which could handily fit in a pocket.

      The market for cheap books just isn't there anymore. Most of that market grabbed a kindle.

  12. What you read matters by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    It's not surprising they're starting with novelty books. We're not encouraging reading books that thought leaders read and write. Just another way to get the latest rendition of the manic pixie archetype.

    The only issue with eReaders is that you're essentially renting the books. If ownership were protected then they would be more compelling.

    Owning physical books is more of a thing for show. And with young people having less and less space, it makes sense they'd want smaller books so they can show off the same collection but retain more space for other things.

    The real issue is quantity over quality. Read better books and give them to charity or resell them on Amazon when you're done. Or use a library. Then space isn't an issue.

  13. Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I saw it and I was like, boom," she said. "I started a mission to figure out how we could do that here."

    Well, you just do what they did... but do it over here. What is there to figure out?

  14. The only real advantages of non eBooks by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    are:

    1) It's less messy than having authors sign tablets.

    2) When the power fails for a few days, paper books still work if you have sunlight, or a lamp or flashlight.

    3) You probably don't want to swat bugs with a tablet or phone.

    4) You can't store as much booty in a hallowed out tablet.

    1. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by hey! · · Score: 1

      You can't lose access to them because of a software glitch or the eBook distribution company going out of business.

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    2. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      You can't lose access to them because of a software glitch or the eBook distribution company going out of business.

      Overdrive from my local library works pretty well. I also borrow real paper books from my library.

      My days of dropping tons of money on paper books are long gone. Unless it's a signed first edition hardcover...

    3. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who buys DRMed books is a traitor to the human race.
      Anyone who keeps the DRM on them is betraying only himself.

    4. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily hand them off to someone else (as a loan or a gift) without worrying about licensing or usernames.

    5. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      are:

      1) It's less messy than having authors sign tablets.

      2) When the power fails for a few days, paper books still work if you have sunlight, or a lamp or flashlight.

      3) You probably don't want to swat bugs with a tablet or phone.

      4) You can't store as much booty in a hallowed out tablet.

      1) Get it e-signed

      2) Battery Life is very long in a kindle

      3) In the future you'll be able to roll a kindle up like a magazine and swat bugs with it.

      4) BOOTY!

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    6. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by hey! · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying ebooks per se don't have advantages. What I'm saying is that the advantages of paper books aren't confined to the trivial examples you listed.

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    7. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4) You can't store as much booty in a hallowed out tablet.

      My tablet contains endless booty. A few gigabytes in local storage and an infinite supply through the Wifi.

    8. Re:The only real advantages of non eBooks by Bradmont · · Score: 1

      Ebooks are terrible for flipping through as reference materials. Think trying to find a half-remembered diagram or idea. They also remove the spatial memory associations with text on a physical page. They are also hard to underline and scrawl notes in. This makes them much less useful for non-fiction/education uses. Furthermore, you can't give them to a friend or resell them when you're done (unless you're fairly technically minded). Just about the only thing they're actually better at is portability...

  15. Everything old is new again by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was done previous with Armed_Services_Editions, meant to provide compact books for soldiers in WWII.

    An interesting idea but I don't see this enticing many people away from the traditional paperback form factor which is already a nice size.

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    1. Re:Everything old is new again by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      This was done previous with Armed_Services_Editions [wikipedia.org], meant to provide compact books for soldiers in WWII.

      I wish I had mod points. My GrandFather used to tell me about reading these when he was in the service. It helped him get through the hard times.

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    2. Re:Everything old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprised no one has made this connection yet:

      "It has its own magnifier and electrostatic charge system ... The book is held closed by the charge, which forces against spring-locked covers. You press the edge — thus, and the pages you've selected repel each other and the book opens ... the charge moves ahead one page at a time as you read. Never touch the actual pages with your fingers. The filament tissue is too delicate." --Dr. Yueh, Frank Herbert's Dune

      It is described as "black, oblong, no larger than the end of Paul's thumb" but contains eighteen hundred pages.

    3. Re:Everything old is new again by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      This was done previous with Armed_Services_Editions, meant to provide compact books for soldiers in WWII.

      An interesting idea but I don't see this enticing many people away from the traditional paperback form factor which is already a nice size.

      The only real improvement would be if you could make the paper thinner without significantly weakening it or making it hard to turn pages.

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    4. Re:Everything old is new again by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah; and as usual the Chinese took the idea and made it their own - with the added twist of invoking Henry Ford: "you can have our tiny little book in any color you wish, as long as it's red"

    5. Re:Everything old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My GrandFather used to tell me about reading these when he was in the service. It helped him get through the hard times.

      Good thing someone wasn't spoiling the endings for him.

    6. Re:Everything old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting that you mention the "traditional paperback form factor". I used to read and collect science fiction in paperback, and they were always the same size . . . until suddenly they weren't, and didn't fit on my custom-made shelves. Someone had decided that a slightly larger format would allow the same amount of text on fewer pages (less paper wasted on margins probably). Then came the various "trade paperback" formats.

  16. Well duh by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    For one thing you can't touch the pages. The filament tissue is too delicate.

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  17. I don't see the use case. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eBooks for drivel, trash, and things I need to be easily searchable (like research papers) and real books for cherished text I actually want to revisit for years to come whenever I'd like. I know I'm not the target market, but I have a hard time believing you'll be able to pry the electronic device out of a youngster's hands long enough for them to see the benefit in reading a non-device tiny book.

  18. Sweet! Another form factor! by hiroshimarrow · · Score: 1

    Another form factor that doesn't fit any traditional slot or pocket in my laptop bag, day pack, or pockets. I'll pass and keep the thing that brought that into my handy all-in-one device already. This is a gimmick from a publisher who isn't killing enough trees to support their legacy business.

  19. For people with tiny hands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    45 still won't read.

    1. Re:For people with tiny hands? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      At least if it is for people with tiny hands our President might start to read something.

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  20. Great for the Beach by JackSpratts · · Score: 1

    perfect for traveling i'd think, for camping, rvs, or any time weight and bulk are issues. i often have several hardcovers stuffed in a beach bag and they do crowd things. i'd grab these instead for sure.

    - js.

  21. Re-inventing the book isn't the solution by Lucas123 · · Score: 1

    In a sense using a scrolling model kinda reverts us to something modern books replaced around 2,000 years ago.

    Solomon was right: History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is truly new.

  22. You know who buy most book ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    older person. You know who have problem reading tiny prints ?

  23. new form factor to increase cost by duranaki · · Score: 3, Informative

    This just seems like another gimmick to inflate the price. This book actually uses less resources to make than a standard paperback, so you'd think it should cost less, right? But no, it costs more!

    "The mini versions of Mr. Green’s novels — “Looking for Alaska,” “An Abundance of Katherines,” “Paper Towns” and “The Fault in Our Stars” — will be sold for $12 each,"

    Take 'The Fault in Our Stars' which they are offering in this tiny less-expensive-to-make format for $12!! What a deal! The hardback is currently about $12, the paperback about $7.50 and the kindle format is $10. So basically a hardback price with a paperback production cost.

    1. Re:new form factor to increase cost by CptLoRes · · Score: 1

      Don't look for sensibility when it comes to book pricing. Not that long ago distributors tried charging more for an eBook then a paperback, because you know.. greed. And if not for a silent revolt by readers refusing to buy something less for more, they probably still would.

    2. Re:new form factor to increase cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They don't make the books one by one. It's probably a smaller run size, which drives up the production costs per book.

      John Green is also a huge draw for the intended crowd, and they are probably trying to capitalize on that.

      Plus, the increased price probably includes an increased margin for the MSRP, to drive adoption and sales from distributors.

      It's probably a bit more complicated than your simple math.

    3. Re:new form factor to increase cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't look for sensibility when it comes to book pricing. Not that long ago distributors tried charging more for an eBook then a paperback, because you know.. greed. And if not for a silent revolt by readers refusing to buy something less for more, they probably still would.

      Jesus, drop your socialist nonsense. It's not greed, it's value. It doesn't matter what it costs to make, what matters is do you value the knowledge/story? If so, how much do you value it? $1? $5? $10?

      In terms of price, an eBook is no different than a regular book, to YOU the buyer. The knowledge or story inside has the value, not the format. The format only matters to the producer in what it costs to deliver to the buyer the knowledge inside.

    4. Re: new form factor to increase cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody said something I don't agree with! Waah! Socialism! Socialists everywhere! Waah!

    5. Re:new form factor to increase cost by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      Don't look for sensibility when it comes to book pricing. Not that long ago distributors tried charging more for an eBook then a paperback, because you know.. greed. And if not for a silent revolt by readers refusing to buy something less for more, they probably still would.

      They obviously still are, the post you replied to had an example of a book where the paperback is $7.50 and the Kindle format is $10.00.

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  24. Onion skin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer will think of food and do a double take as he swallows his own ebooks!

  25. What else fits in one hand? My phone by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    Seriously, why do I need hardcopy when I can read eBooks on my oversized iPhone with Kobo? It's always on me, and I've been reading my books this way for years. My iPhone 8 Plus screen is about what I'd have in a paperback (which, by the way, isn't much different from the OP's flip book idea)

  26. No. by sootman · · Score: 3, Informative

    From Wikipedia:

    A mass-market paperback is a small, usually non-illustrated, inexpensive bookbinding format. This includes the U.K. A-format books of 110 mm x 178 mm (4.3 in x 7.0 in) and the U.S. "pocketbook" format books of a similar size.

    That gives an area of 30 square inches. From TFA:

    Picador released mini books by Denis Johnson, Jeffrey Eugenides, Hermann Hesse and Marilynne Robinson -- the tiny editions are 5 13/16 inches tall by 3 11/16 inches wide -- to celebrate the imprintâ(TM)s 20th anniversary.

    That is 21.4 square inches. So it's 1/3 smaller than a current small paperback. Possibly useful, but not revolutionary.

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  27. What's old is new again by Dynedain · · Score: 2

    Bold experiment at least 70 years old. I grew up in the 80s with one of these in the house:
    https://www.amazon.com/Christi...

    I'm sure there's examples going back to the middle ages and probably even ancient Greece if they survived that long.

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  28. Will they fit Trump's hands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they fit Trump's hands?

  29. This is a bad idea for 2 reasons by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    1) As you get older, you need more light to read and you have problems with smaller print. Even my eagle eyed brother had to get glasses eventually after 40+ years of being, as I said, eagle eyed.
    2) Young people don't buy physical media of any kind.

    So the smaller books would require younger and better eyes to read them but young people don't buy physical media. Not going to work.

  30. Betteridge says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  31. The text flows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    parallel to the spine. Or shifted 90 degrees counterclockwise from typical books. If the article didn't have a picture, you'd have no idea what the fuck they were talking about.

    All the text I see on this page flows horizontally. Indeed, I think even before Gutenberg books had their text flow horizontally.

  32. Onion-skin thin pages tear like Kleenex by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    When you have pages that thin, you can tear them too easily. And you can forget taking any notes in them with pencils/pens/highlighters.

    If anything, these type of books are much more about disposability than longevity.

  33. From Dune: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Before I go, I've a gift for you, something I came across in packing." He put an object on the table between them -- black, oblong, no larger than the end of Paul's thumb.

    Paul looked at it. Yueh noted how the boy did not reach for it, and thought: How cautious he is.

    "It's a very old Orange Catholic Bible made for space travelers. Not a filmbook, but actually printed on filament paper. It has its own magnifier and electrostatic charge system."

    He picked it up, demonstrated. "The book is held closed by the charge, which forces against spring-locked covers. You press the edge -- thus, and the pages you've selected repel each other and the book opens."

    "It's so small."

    "But it has eighteen hundred pages. You press the edge -- thus, and so . . . and the charge moves ahead one page at a time as you read. Never touch the actual pages with your fingers. The filament tissue is too delicate." He closed the book, handed it to Paul. "Try it."

  34. Horizontal? by Macdude · · Score: 1

    Ah, by "the text flows horizontally" you mean it's printed in landscape mode. Got it.

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  35. Seems dumb by melted · · Score: 1

    If I read at home I prefer the larger form factor of a book. If I read on the go, thereâ(TM)s no way Iâ(TM)ll have a book with me anyway. Iâ(TM)ll just use kindle.

  36. chick tracts are old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chick tracts are small books you can read in your hand. what's new about this?

  37. Why not A6? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not use Japanese style A6 book sizes instead?

  38. My tiny hands dont fit a book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is why I dont read them.
    With a small one I might!

    But they are all fake unless I say so.
    So why bother?

    Potus

  39. From the looks of it by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    they are about the size of a paperback. All they've done is turn it sideways.

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  40. What else can we fuck up? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I'm confused. Exactly which problem with books do these new high-tech horizontal books solve? Is there someone out there who is having a problem with a normal book?

    If publishers want to do something useful, they could start by publishing the regular pocket-book editions of really good books instead of forcing the over-priced, over-sized "trade paperback" onto us for any title that has even a tiny bit of prestige. When I was in college, I could find very nice editions of Henry Miller, D.H. Lawrence, Nabokov, etc etc in pocket book size paperbacks. Now, all those same titles are in a book three times as big and twenty times more expensive. Give me a book I can slip into a pocket when I go to the beach. We had them 30 years ago, so why not now?

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  41. I hope these do get into the American market by Rastl · · Score: 1

    From what I saw in the video portion the text size is comparable to paperbacks now. And I think that format would make them easier to read when sitting down, like on public transportation or a waiting room.

    The size makes them fit into a jacket pocket or purse. And there's something so nice about having an actual book in your hand.

    The downside is that publishers will price them so high that no one will buy them and then declare that they're a failure because sales are low.

    I'm still salty about ebooks costing more than paperbacks and darn near as much as hardcovers. Another passive way to slow adoption of them by the market.

  42. 1965 Dune, once again predicts the future by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 2

    http://technovelgy.com/ct/cont...

    "Before I go, I've a gift for you, something I came across in packing." He put an object on the table between them -- black, oblong, no larger than the end of Paul's thumb.

    Paul looked at it. Yueh noted how the boy did not reach for it, and thought: How cautious he is.

    "It's a very old Orange Catholic Bible made for space travelers. Not a filmbook, but actually printed on filament paper. It has its own magnifier and electrostatic charge system."

    He picked it up, demonstrated. "The book is held closed by the charge, which forces against spring-locked covers. You press the edge -- thus, and the pages you've selected repel each other and the book opens."

    "It's so small."

    "But it has eighteen hundred pages. You press the edge -- thus, and so . . . and the charge moves ahead one page at a time as you read. Never touch the actual pages with your fingers. The filament tissue is too delicate." He closed the book, handed it to Paul. "Try it."

    From Dune, by Frank Herbert.
    Published by Putnam in 1965
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  43. Ummmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bible paper (that's actually what the industry calls it) and long edge binding are hardly new.

    This seems less like an innovation and more like an easily re-blogable marketing exercise.

    Captcha: "Printed", because I'm a printer, taking about print.

  44. Good lord, man! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    You've invented the mass-market paperback!

  45. Look I invented the wheel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this new? I had tiny books as a kid.

  46. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The topic is posed as a question. The answer is clearly no. The history in the description already emphasizes books have been around for 2000 years. Hubristic to think that changing the size will revolutionize the book industry. Of course this has been done before. This not novelty it is gimmickry.

  47. Hey dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what matters is do you value the knowledge/story? If so, how much do you value it? $1? $5? $10?

    Maximizing for value IS greed, dumbass.

  48. If it gets more folks reading, great. However... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally wouldn't be interested in trying this. I heartily agree wif the other posters that onionskin is far too easy to tear to be used in this thing. Not only that, the proposed form factor is far too small to interest me.

      These "books" are just too small, their text will inevitably be too small for easy reading, and the thin pages are fragile, unless they've completely reinvented onionskin. I can't imagine actually PAYING for something like this. I'm a voracious reader, I like actual books, got a lot of 'em. I do, yes, have a couple of good SF books on my phone thanks to Usenet, for when I need a beneficial time-waster. Books, real physical books, supplemented with a lil phone reading. Who the hell needs something else?

  49. Far side comic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  50. Nope. by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    Took a look. Ultra thin paper, portions of text jammed right up against the binding, requiring the spine be broken to read the text immediately above and below it, and the weird landscape-format... just a whole big bowl fulla NO.

    A seemingly neat idea, but not for me. Yuck. No. Hopefully this is a fad that will die off quickly, rather than end up everywhere.

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  51. HEY! That gives me an idea! by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 2

    Actually, (sorry,) just thought of something. Why not write it on a continuous scroll, doing away with the problem of words being at or near the binding? Then you just slowly wind it around and... but what would you do with the part you already READ?

    I suppose you could just make it so you can tear off the part you've already read, and throw it away.

    Of course, that would be kinda wasteful. Maybe the paper could be thin but have a second use before being tossed out.

    Actually, come to think of it, the answer is already here, and we've been wiping our asses with it the whole time!

    Just print books onto rolls of toilet paper! You tear off part, read it, and then when you're done, you can wipe your ass with it! Or blow your nose into it... or whatever you do with it. Then you know as long as you've got toilet paper, you have reading material for the bathroom, AND vice-versa!

    Is anyone already doing this?!? If not, they should be!

    This seems like a brilliant if potentially doomed idea... when someone comes along and invents a new way to clean your butthole involving a little shelf and three seashells sitting on it, there goes the market for toilet-books.

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  52. I know - how about an app! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    It would be called "Kindle" and you could use it to read most books on a smartphone. With its settable font and type size and its white-on-black mode, it's a lot more readable than most people think.

  53. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't really answer that (hint: you can't), then you already know that this will be a total failure.

  54. Re:HEY! That gives me an idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally a suitable use for Michael Crichton novels!

  55. Other book problems solved? by codeButcher · · Score: 2

    I'm so glad the other trivial problems with books are now all solved.

    By which I mean

    (1) Books not laying flat and open on a tabletop at the page one wishes to read while doing other things with the hands, and

    (2) bad binding that comes apart or crumbles after a couple of months and/or a couple of readings (library books).

    Look, I absolutely love paper books, and prefer them to reading on a screen. But with the above in mind, it's touch and go.

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