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System76 Thelio Computer is Open Source, Linux-Powered, and Made in the USA (betanews.com)
System76 is ready to share specifics about its new computer. From a report: There are three models from which to choose, and all three can apparently be configured with with Intel or AMD processors. This is refreshing news, as historically, System76 machines were an Intel-only affair. AMD has been more friendly to the Linux community over recent years, so I am happy to see System76 giving that option too.
1. Thelio (Up to 32GB RAM, 24TB storage) treks through tasks with ease despite its compact footprint.
2. Thelio Major (Up to 128GB RAM, 46TB storage) boasts stellar performance, allowing maximum configurability with up to 4 GPUs to tackle the most astronomical projects.
3. Thelio Massive (Up to 768GB of ECC Memory, 86TB storage) is the epitome of performance among workstations, offering maximum throughput and accuracy for demanding computational workloads.
Pricing starts at $1099.99, but that will obviously increase based on the specs you choose. Keep in mind, however, the computer will not ship until December. Full specs in the story above. In a statement, the company said, "Thelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will. Additionally, the open hardware design that Thelio is built upon allows the user to easily learn how their computer works and make modifications using this information. Customization is simple to ensure that the computer encompasses people's needs, as well as their personality."
1. Thelio (Up to 32GB RAM, 24TB storage) treks through tasks with ease despite its compact footprint.
2. Thelio Major (Up to 128GB RAM, 46TB storage) boasts stellar performance, allowing maximum configurability with up to 4 GPUs to tackle the most astronomical projects.
3. Thelio Massive (Up to 768GB of ECC Memory, 86TB storage) is the epitome of performance among workstations, offering maximum throughput and accuracy for demanding computational workloads.
Pricing starts at $1099.99, but that will obviously increase based on the specs you choose. Keep in mind, however, the computer will not ship until December. Full specs in the story above. In a statement, the company said, "Thelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will. Additionally, the open hardware design that Thelio is built upon allows the user to easily learn how their computer works and make modifications using this information. Customization is simple to ensure that the computer encompasses people's needs, as well as their personality."
Go ahead, price the Oryx Pro vs. the equivalent Xeon-equipped Dell Precision.
iME or PSP, which to pick?
You're fucked either way.
Of course, the $50 question: Do they support Linux?
Can I play Warcraft or other Windows games?
That's the only reason I switched from Mac to PC 20 years ago. They both did surfing and programming and office type apps just fine.
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Would love to support them but its highway robbery to charge what they charge.
I hope this is better than IKEA furniture that is made in the USA.
Face it it's probably true.
Chanting "made in the USA" is pure Trumpism. WTF? How did this become acceptable? How are Americans holding themselves up over indigenous cultures?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
aaaaaand they charge (way) too much. Get an i7 Thinkpad x220 if you want a US-made BSD and Linux friendly laptop. I also used to work (very) close by the System76 downtown Denver office. They look like a bunch of annoying spandex bike faggots eating at the sushi joint downstairs. Very Pottering-like Linuxy folks. So, if you like that sort of thing...
If you don't keep your hardware current you are missing out on the full glory that is Minecraft!
I'm in the market for a new overpriced computing box. Can I make this thing actually useful by installing a proper OS like Windows?
The design.
Whoo. Am I supposed to get excited that I can produce cases that look just like theirs? Because that's definitely not cheap to do small run manufacturing of large parts like that.
Even if the motherboard were open source, there is nothing that makes creating your own a practical exercise.
And for that you pay an insane premium.
Computers are largely build to standards which are readily available if you care to find them. Those standards allow you to design and build your own cases and not have to worry about parts fitting properly.
There's a reason that serious open hardware stick to low power micro controllers which require far fewer components and those components are far cheaper to produce than a full featured PC. It's actually feasible to design and build your own Arduino clone. Even the RaspberryPi is really out of reach to clone if you don't have rich people money to get started.
There is no point open sourcing things that are cost prohibitive for the average person to duplicate. And it's a good way to just go broke if someone does decide to do what you did better and cheaper. Which is not hard to do if your design is worth anything and your prices are ridiculous as we have here.
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It was pretty much figured out centuries ago that trade is a good thing. Otherwise we would be paying $$ for each lousy Made In the USA banana or avocado and Boeing planes would likely cost 50% more and not be so fuel-efficient.
My laptop is an an Oryx Pro and I like it...
However your argument of matching systems isn't really a good one.
There are so many other factors that you need to account for that affect the price, some features you strongly care about others that you really don't.
For me I was concerned about the following (in this order):
1. Updated CPU
2. 32 gigs of Ram
3. Good Video Card
4. NVMe Storage
5. Strong Linux Compatibility
6. 15" or larger display
7. Modern Looking and relatively thin.
I in essence wanted a mobile workstation. (Heck I would had been happy if I could find a monitor, keyboard, trackback) with a wire that can hook up to a desktop.
You may want a smaller lighter laptop, you may need better battery life, a better keyboard, OLED display.... These things would take the Orix Pro out of the comparison and perhaps the XenBook Pro, or a Dell. For cheaper.
My Wife doesn't like my Oryx Pro (Too big, too loud, especially when I give it a workout), but she loves her Lenovo Yoga. Which costs over thousand dollars less. but is small, light, and does what she wants to do.
System 76 Makes a good competitive product. But it may not be for everyone
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Seriously, totally misleading title. They use shit that is not made in the US. For example; nvidia GPUs.
To quote the source directly:
> US-sourced wood and aluminum are formed, finished, etched, and built by artisans in our Denver, Colorado factory.
So what is made in the US? The god damn case; which no one gives a shit about. The motherboard is most likely overseas, but they dont publish any of the spec on that, so..... sensationalized garbage.
âoeThelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will.â
Like every Windows-based machine I have bought and built since 1995?
So instead of chinese backdoors and listening devices, it'll be full of american ones.
This is nothing but an advertisement prepared to look like a news article. Slashdot is just lame any longer. There is nothing new or different than advertising a computer from Dell or Microsoft.
so yeah... you can talk about security all you want, but the fact is all it takes is an NSA court order and the security is gone.
Touting that something is made in the USA these days just evoke suspicion of security compromise, unfortunately, and we have learned that the suspicions are eventually confirmed.
I lost interest at the first question: do you want Walnut or Maple?
What am I choosing? An 80s era home entertainment system?
Are these computers trying to trap me? I like the speaker-box theme, how do they know I like music so much.
Have they seen the Greatest Showman? Do they know I have? And how many times?
Step away from my personality! You can take it from my cold, dead... oh wait... that's how it works.
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The fact that Thelio users NVIDIA graphics kills it for me. NVIDIA had been really hostile towards open source as of late. That and no mention of running OpenBSD or FreeBSD on it.
Does it have a CAPS-LOCK indicator light?
Lots of exposure for something that is hardly exciting.
The cases are so ugly. You'd think they could do better.
Trump is a traitor, Mi is a faggot. Hang them both.
Yes, this is an "Open Source computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
It is an "easily expandable computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
It is a "Linux powered computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
It is a "Made In The USA computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
Base Price $2,899.00
Walnut - Classical style in a rich brown finish
Pop!_OS 18.10 (64-bit) with full-disk encryption
28 Cores Platinum 8180 ( 2.5 up to 3.8 GHz - 52 Threads - Max memory speed 2666 MHz ) $12,115.00
384 GB 6× 64 GB Six Channel Registered ECC DDR4 at 2666 MHz $5,929.00
28 Cores Platinum 8180 ( 2.5 up to 3.8 GHz - 52 Threads - Max memory speed 2666 MHz ) $12,415.00
384 GB 6× 64 GB Quad Channel Registered ECC DDR4 at 2666 MHz $6,179.00
2 TB NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD $739.00
30.8 TB NVMe 4 × U.2 Mixed Use SSD $13,635.00
40 TB 8× 5TB 2.5 5400 RPM Drive $2,039.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
No Additional Networking
27 1440p Matte Pro IPS Display (2560×1440) $1,359.00
Audioengine 2+ Speakers in Matte Black $249.00
Das Keyboard - Pop Edition $129.00
MX Master 2S Wireless Mouse $125.00
3 Year Limited 3-Year Labor and 3-Year Parts Warranty $55.00
Product total: $71,863.00
Can't wait to fire up Quake 1 on that puppy!
s76 needs a $500 basic tower in their product line-up, not a $500+ chassis housing massively-marked up components.
If you want a free software system neither AMD nor Intel are the way to go. This is just an attempt to deceive consumers who don't know better. If you want more freedom you need to look at devices with SoCs that have an A20, H3, RK3288, or R40 chip. Those either are freedom friendly or you could build something off them and with a minimal amount of reverse engineering (ie meaning it would be feasible to do) come out with a free software design. Right now the only genuine effort seems to be EOMA68 and LibreBoot. The later isn't 100% even with the older X86 CPUs, but it's at least heading in the right direction even if it's ultimately a failed effort because you can't design systems that are libre with modern Intel/AMD and it still more free than anything Purism or System76 have ever shipped.
Trump is a racist. If you don't vote for a democrat next week, YOU HATE AMERICA.
everything else is made and built in China and South Korea... so much for "Made in the USA".
how is this different than ordering the same parts at newegg for cheaper and putting them in a thermaltake case? what's "open" about this?
Bought 2x Oryx Pro's a year ago. Both motherboards died after 14 months.
Don't waste your money.
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Sounded almost too good, but unfortunately the manufacturing country makes me doubt the security side....
Wait, does your ARM shit needs Android linux kernels and blobs and shit. "or you could build something off them and with a minimal amount of reverse engineering" You might as well buy a Playstation 4 and reverse engineer that.
I don't want to shill for System76 but they care about turning off Intel ME, or maybe I mix them up with Purism (they do an Intel laptop at 13" and 15")
If you don't want a shitty ARM (why? you could get a 2009 PC and be able to add more RAM, drives, display, everything, or a PC around an FX8320E) the real platform that can be compared with this newly announced shit is POWER9 workstations.
The issue is not it being open source. The issue is pretending that it's a selling point or has any relevance to what they are selling.
It's like slapping an "open source" license on a "hello world" program. Nobody cares.
A hipster and their money are soon parted.
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Captain Puberty: "Computer, enable speech recognition module."
No response.
Captain Puberty: "Computer! Enable speech recognition module, captain's orders!"
No response.
Captain Puberty: "Spock, load that ignorant computer system into the torpedo tube."
No response.
Captain Puberty: "Crew, load that ignorant computer system into the torpedo tube."
No response.
Captain Puberty: [still watching a High School talent competition on YouTube] "Ha ha ha! She flubbed an entire note while playing "Flight of the Bumblebee" at 320 rpm."
Captain Puberty: "Computer, troll that clumsy, pathetic, incompetent human female!"
No response.
A lot of posts here are pointing out the problems with this company's claims. It gives me the impression that marketing types picked up on a few buzz words and cobbled something together they thought would sell. But, could a sincere, technically competent group of makers come up with something bona fide? It would probably be risc V (since no one would care about Microsoft compatibility. It could probably be made more secure than anything around now. Would video output have to be only VGA to avoid proprietary stuff? Audio? Is the NSA going to come down on you if you really make it secure?
Memory sticks, power supply, case, stuff like that would be 3rd party.
Assuming you could do it right, how much would it cost?
This made in the USA labeling of stuff needs to stop. I'm pretty saure the CPU, motherboard, ram, SSd, are not made in the USA, but rather assembled.
Yeah, he made the claim in his campaign...
Then he proved it with his behavior.
I really shouldn't have even looked at the comment section. When any company tries to do something new, something different, something better, there's always a mob waiting to attack, attack, for any reason their vivid little imaginations can dream up.
It's not really open source!
It's not really made in the USA!
It's not really anything new!
It's wildly overpriced!
etc., etc
And they miss the big picture. These machines are far more attractive than the generic towers System76 were selling before, but not much more expensive. They appear to be thoughtfully designed and well constructed. The same company is now producing their own hardware and their own Linux distro to mate up with it, so everything should "just work". Who has done anything like this for Linux before? Who else was going to?
Fed up with Apple, coming from the Mac world Last year I built my own Linux rig based on Ryzan and Ubuntu MATE. I did a lot of research, didn't cut any corners, used all highly reviewed components. And it performs very well when everything is working right. OK, the Ncase M1 was kind of expensive and hard to get. I had to shuffle some components around and experiment to get the temps down. And I can't sleep it, because the video output never wakes up. And there's audio corruption that comes and goes at random. And there's an annoying vibration in the case that comes and goes, and I've never quite been able to track down and fix. And the system does lock up once in a while, not often, but more often than my Mac Pro ever did. But you know I've been wrangling computers for a long time, and I can learn to live with a some quirks. How many normal, non-geekish folk would put up with all that? Why should I even have to put up with all that?
The Thelio, by all reasoning, should be an unquestionably better machine than the one I built. I want it. I want to leave all this homebrew nonsense and constant troubleshooting behind.
What BIOS are they using? It looks to me like whatever is commonly used on Gigabyte motherboards. Gigabyte is made in the USA, right? RIGHT? Everything about this is fraudulent.
This describes a bad way to use WINE. You should always use a WINEPREFIX, or use a tool like PlayOnLinux which does this for you. Using a single global wine configuration is a good way to trash your .wine folder repeatedly.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Seriously, if RMS doesn't give his seal of approval, I doubt we can really call it open source. But he's hardcore like that...
Did everyone else click through to see how expensive they could make the configuration?
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