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System76 Thelio Computer is Open Source, Linux-Powered, and Made in the USA (betanews.com)
System76 is ready to share specifics about its new computer. From a report: There are three models from which to choose, and all three can apparently be configured with with Intel or AMD processors. This is refreshing news, as historically, System76 machines were an Intel-only affair. AMD has been more friendly to the Linux community over recent years, so I am happy to see System76 giving that option too.
1. Thelio (Up to 32GB RAM, 24TB storage) treks through tasks with ease despite its compact footprint.
2. Thelio Major (Up to 128GB RAM, 46TB storage) boasts stellar performance, allowing maximum configurability with up to 4 GPUs to tackle the most astronomical projects.
3. Thelio Massive (Up to 768GB of ECC Memory, 86TB storage) is the epitome of performance among workstations, offering maximum throughput and accuracy for demanding computational workloads.
Pricing starts at $1099.99, but that will obviously increase based on the specs you choose. Keep in mind, however, the computer will not ship until December. Full specs in the story above. In a statement, the company said, "Thelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will. Additionally, the open hardware design that Thelio is built upon allows the user to easily learn how their computer works and make modifications using this information. Customization is simple to ensure that the computer encompasses people's needs, as well as their personality."
1. Thelio (Up to 32GB RAM, 24TB storage) treks through tasks with ease despite its compact footprint.
2. Thelio Major (Up to 128GB RAM, 46TB storage) boasts stellar performance, allowing maximum configurability with up to 4 GPUs to tackle the most astronomical projects.
3. Thelio Massive (Up to 768GB of ECC Memory, 86TB storage) is the epitome of performance among workstations, offering maximum throughput and accuracy for demanding computational workloads.
Pricing starts at $1099.99, but that will obviously increase based on the specs you choose. Keep in mind, however, the computer will not ship until December. Full specs in the story above. In a statement, the company said, "Thelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will. Additionally, the open hardware design that Thelio is built upon allows the user to easily learn how their computer works and make modifications using this information. Customization is simple to ensure that the computer encompasses people's needs, as well as their personality."
Go ahead, price the Oryx Pro vs. the equivalent Xeon-equipped Dell Precision.
Of course, the $50 question: Do they support Linux?
... and we all know it is illegal to keep the PC you have now for games and get a computer with a good OS for your computing needs.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Seriously? I'm no Trumptard, but "made in the USA" isn't a bad thing to US citizens. We need to rebuild our manufacturing base somehow. That's one thing that the cheetoh in charge is right about. So, yeah, I don't mind seeing "made in the USA" come up. It's not a Trumpism just because Trump says it sometimes. It's been around as an important concept for a lot longer than I've been alive.
Now, why don't you take your meds and let the adults have a conversation.
If you don't keep your hardware current you are missing out on the full glory that is Minecraft!
Never tried it (don't touch that game) but:
https://linuxconfig.org/how-to...
It'll never be "simple" because the games aren't made for Linux. But Steam have just released a similar "official" tool that makes Windows Steam games work on Linux and it works for several thousand games.
Whether it works for the ones YOU want, that's another question entirely.
2012 hardware, and a 12 inch screen?
Yeah, I don't think you understand what they're selling.
I think maybe there were people chanting that before the Trump administration. It was apparently popular right after the Revolutionary War to take pride in new-found self-sufficiency. Wikipedia has a photo of a Model-T hubcap stamped "Made in USA". Pretty popular saying during WWI and WW2. All the Democrat union workers" promote Made in USA pretty consistently.
I think you give Mr. Orange too much credit.
The design.
Whoo. Am I supposed to get excited that I can produce cases that look just like theirs? Because that's definitely not cheap to do small run manufacturing of large parts like that.
Even if the motherboard were open source, there is nothing that makes creating your own a practical exercise.
And for that you pay an insane premium.
Computers are largely build to standards which are readily available if you care to find them. Those standards allow you to design and build your own cases and not have to worry about parts fitting properly.
There's a reason that serious open hardware stick to low power micro controllers which require far fewer components and those components are far cheaper to produce than a full featured PC. It's actually feasible to design and build your own Arduino clone. Even the RaspberryPi is really out of reach to clone if you don't have rich people money to get started.
There is no point open sourcing things that are cost prohibitive for the average person to duplicate. And it's a good way to just go broke if someone does decide to do what you did better and cheaper. Which is not hard to do if your design is worth anything and your prices are ridiculous as we have here.
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From what I've read, VMWare Workstation can do a decent job on Linux with the right drivers present. Running Windows under that might be an answer. Caveat: Put the guest VM on a SSD... or put everything on an SSD. It makes a BIG difference with I/O and usability of the system, just because all the processes are not fighting for a single drive head.
It was pretty much figured out centuries ago that trade is a good thing. Otherwise we would be paying $$ for each lousy Made In the USA banana or avocado and Boeing planes would likely cost 50% more and not be so fuel-efficient.
My laptop is an an Oryx Pro and I like it...
However your argument of matching systems isn't really a good one.
There are so many other factors that you need to account for that affect the price, some features you strongly care about others that you really don't.
For me I was concerned about the following (in this order):
1. Updated CPU
2. 32 gigs of Ram
3. Good Video Card
4. NVMe Storage
5. Strong Linux Compatibility
6. 15" or larger display
7. Modern Looking and relatively thin.
I in essence wanted a mobile workstation. (Heck I would had been happy if I could find a monitor, keyboard, trackback) with a wire that can hook up to a desktop.
You may want a smaller lighter laptop, you may need better battery life, a better keyboard, OLED display.... These things would take the Orix Pro out of the comparison and perhaps the XenBook Pro, or a Dell. For cheaper.
My Wife doesn't like my Oryx Pro (Too big, too loud, especially when I give it a workout), but she loves her Lenovo Yoga. Which costs over thousand dollars less. but is small, light, and does what she wants to do.
System 76 Makes a good competitive product. But it may not be for everyone
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Seriously, totally misleading title. They use shit that is not made in the US. For example; nvidia GPUs.
To quote the source directly:
> US-sourced wood and aluminum are formed, finished, etched, and built by artisans in our Denver, Colorado factory.
So what is made in the US? The god damn case; which no one gives a shit about. The motherboard is most likely overseas, but they dont publish any of the spec on that, so..... sensationalized garbage.
âoeThelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will.â
Like every Windows-based machine I have bought and built since 1995?
It is a PC Setup, so you can install Windows. However being a Linux based system, finding windows drivers sometimes requires some extra hunting.
Or you can have a Wine or virtual system setup.
This has plenty of power for gaming.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
You may have at look at Steam Proton, it's an initiative from Valve to package Wine for each game and with adequate settings or even modifications to Wine itself which are then propagated upstream.
Warcraft itself ran easily on old vanilla Wine versions, decade ago I played much Warcraft III on LAN (the custom maps like DOTA) as it easily ran on a potato (e.g. old Intel graphics or geforce 2MX and TNT2 level). This game was an outlier, easier to get running than some native linux games.
Me, when I get to it I will want to try setting up some emulators. I think I'm bored enough with NES, SNES, Dosbox but there are newer modern ones or late 0.x and 1.x versions thereof. PCem can emulate a full PC with MS Windows 95 at Intel Pentium 166 or 200 level (or much any OS that doesn't require i686 or better), with a simulated 3dfx Voodoo2. This is the kind of stuff you'd want a 5GHz dual core for..
With Steam Proton or just modern Wine installed from a ppa repository for Ubuntu? Things seem to have taken shape. If you don't want to install proprietary Steam (nowadays this just reeks of Google Play store or Microsoft Store and social media and Android and web bullshit, for me...) : the GoG platform should have enough Linux and Windows games (and packaged DOS stuff too) that are more friendly to those of us who want to game on computer like in the 90s. By that I mean, have a directory with the game executables and files in it, and run game.exe or ./game.
but what if as me you're computer-less at the moment. It's a valid question and I'm not versed enough in Linux to know the answer.
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Workstation is ... not entirely useless for gaming. You'll find vastly more games that will work with SteamPlay directly on Linux, but that only helps for Steam games, no Blizzard or EA or other distribution platforms.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Chanting "made in the USA" is pure Trumpism. WTF? How did this become acceptable? How are Americans holding themselves up over indigenous cultures?
dude "Made in USA" has been a thing long before Trump. The dude is a loony bin in human form but a lot of people value American made products. I don't happen to be one of them myself (I'm aware of the complexities of international production models) but I know people who would like to do their part by buying American. They're just richer than I am.
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"Made in the USA" especially if this stands for higher quality, and for business reasons on wanting to have control of the product compared trying to do everything on the cheap. Isn't a bad thing.
Trumpism is normally a Gut Response to a complex problem with a stupidly simplistic answer, without much long term planning behind it, and not comprehending long term consequences.
System76 is buying parts from China and other parts of the world, and it is still part of a global supply chain. However the design, and assembly is now down in the US. Compared to the Dell and other systems where it is made in an other country then shipped over here. Now some of the assembly such as case work can be done at System76. They are not setup to be a chip fab though.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Well, it's true enough. I didn't even look at their hardware. You missed or ignored the fact that I don't give a fuck what they are selling since I find them to be personally annoying. I don't look at BMW's either. They can put 1000 HP in one and I still think they almost all look like a car mom drives when the minivan is broken down. Other things matter besides performance. For example, my co-worker has a System76 laptop and it's build quality is terrible plasticy crap (and it's ugly as homemade sin). They aren't *even* on the level of a Thinkpad, regardless of if they are 2012 or 1998 editions.
It isn't an either or scenario. If you absolutely must have Windows for games you can install both Windows and Linux and dual boot (choose which OS to boot at boot time)
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
The label "Made in the USA" has had it's meaning diluted over the years (at the request of manufactures like New Balance). Assembled locally from components made overseas qualifies-- and the definition of the USA includes territories like Saipan with much more lax labor laws.
The fact that it's hard to find even stuff with this dumbed-down "made in the USA" labeling says something about how much it's really worth to your average citizen.
But you know, fifty years of "the virtue of selfishness" will apparently do that to a people
Are these computers trying to trap me? I like the speaker-box theme, how do they know I like music so much.
Have they seen the Greatest Showman? Do they know I have? And how many times?
Step away from my personality! You can take it from my cold, dead... oh wait... that's how it works.
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The fact that Thelio users NVIDIA graphics kills it for me. NVIDIA had been really hostile towards open source as of late. That and no mention of running OpenBSD or FreeBSD on it.
The only thing made in the USA are the stupid-looking cases.
Actually, if you go to an aggregate of the polls available, his approval has floated around 40% for the duration of his term thus far. His dissaproval rating has been almost entirely above 50%. I find Rasmussen's 50/49 (IE less than a percentage did not have an opinion) to be...difficult to believe even in these polarizing times.
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I'm still amused that people think "Born in the USA" is a patriotic song, when it's really about the hypocrisy of patriotism, and how the blue collar class got screwed by having to fight Vietnam.
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Did you compare their prices with similarly specked pre-builts systems?
If you get the parts yourself you will probably be cheaper. But if you want someone to build it for you have a warentee and support, then you will pay more for it.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
If you overload a desktop with the high end stuff then you are going to pay more for a laptop. The Low End desktop is beefier then the higher specs for the laptop.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
What is old is new again.
You can get all black metal.
You can be early 2000's with a fancy window
You can be late 1990's with white
You can be early 1990's with beige.
I think the black case with wood highlight gives it modern classy look to it. Something missing in desktops for a long time.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The issue is not it being open source. The issue is pretending that it's a selling point or has any relevance to what they are selling.
It's like slapping an "open source" license on a "hello world" program. Nobody cares.
A hipster and their money are soon parted.
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By that site's charts, Bush was far more popular than Obama — do you think, DNS-and-BIND thought Bush "acceptable"?
Crappy excuse — violating the spirit of the moderation rules...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I really shouldn't have even looked at the comment section. When any company tries to do something new, something different, something better, there's always a mob waiting to attack, attack, for any reason their vivid little imaginations can dream up.
It's not really open source!
It's not really made in the USA!
It's not really anything new!
It's wildly overpriced!
etc., etc
And they miss the big picture. These machines are far more attractive than the generic towers System76 were selling before, but not much more expensive. They appear to be thoughtfully designed and well constructed. The same company is now producing their own hardware and their own Linux distro to mate up with it, so everything should "just work". Who has done anything like this for Linux before? Who else was going to?
Fed up with Apple, coming from the Mac world Last year I built my own Linux rig based on Ryzan and Ubuntu MATE. I did a lot of research, didn't cut any corners, used all highly reviewed components. And it performs very well when everything is working right. OK, the Ncase M1 was kind of expensive and hard to get. I had to shuffle some components around and experiment to get the temps down. And I can't sleep it, because the video output never wakes up. And there's audio corruption that comes and goes at random. And there's an annoying vibration in the case that comes and goes, and I've never quite been able to track down and fix. And the system does lock up once in a while, not often, but more often than my Mac Pro ever did. But you know I've been wrangling computers for a long time, and I can learn to live with a some quirks. How many normal, non-geekish folk would put up with all that? Why should I even have to put up with all that?
The Thelio, by all reasoning, should be an unquestionably better machine than the one I built. I want it. I want to leave all this homebrew nonsense and constant troubleshooting behind.
This describes a bad way to use WINE. You should always use a WINEPREFIX, or use a tool like PlayOnLinux which does this for you. Using a single global wine configuration is a good way to trash your .wine folder repeatedly.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
When people hear the word nationalism, it has the word "white" in front of it. That's why it's so frightening when you and Trump use it. It's fascist dog whistling.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
And then those white blue collar racist deplorables turned around and voted for Trump. They swung the election to him. Makes you wish for another Vietnam, doesn't it?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Chanting "made in the USA" is pure Trumpism.
[citation needed]
I think by now you will realize that you have gone too far, so I will refrain from calling you a complete imbecile.
And WTF does making stuff in the USA have to do with indigenous cultures?
Please, take your meds and report back when you're ready.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
I feel a Jon Maddog Hall quote coming on:
I was using Free Open Source Software in 1969, but we did not call it that at the time. We called it "software".
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Oh! I want to make a car analogy!!!!
If you get the parts yourself you will probably be cheaper.
YAS!
But you have to assemble it. And get a license to run it on the streets.
Not aimed at you, but honestly: if it is not your hobby to "search the internet", "buy the cheapest", and "craft it yourself" ... why would anyone who has a real life bother to get the cheapest most powerful PC imaginable by doing it himself?
Sure I can craft myself a nice PC ... but it is no worth my time. I earn in an hour more than wasting that hour would safe me. And frankly: I rather spent that hour reading a book and simply pay the money instead of googeling for cheap materials and crafting my own machine. But who am I ... typing this on an an overprices underperforming Mac Book Air 2014 ... strange: the performance for having Facebook open in one window and typing slashdot comment in the other is good enough. Ooooops, wait, spinnball, an email just arrived ...
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
System76 has for quite some time been hoping to make a Linux-controlled PC in the USA utilizing open source philosophy. The PC's daughterboard, Thelio Io, is a custom body controller that directions and upgrades the stream. Also if you have Error Code 0xc0000185 can easily solve by instruction mentioned in the blog https://www.acersupportnumber....
If you don't already know Linux, it depends on if you have the time and desire to learn the differences. A Windows machine is the default "easy" choice.
A Linux machine is going to require relearning some things, and you will probably run into hiccups along the way as you try to do stuff. This is true for any system you are unfamiliar with. There are other restrictions as well. If you *need* to be able to use specific software that isn't available for Linux, then your choice is basically made for you.
But I would first plan out your priorities. I personally have one machine for work, and one for games, and recommend others do the same. If you have no machine at all, then prioritize the work machine, for obvious reasons. You may not be able to play the newest triple-A games with it, but there is plenty of stuff that you can play.
i don't mind learning linux. i'm savy enough that I can get online and browser from there I can google any issues I have. I'm mostly concerned about when I have to switch back to windows for games or for work.
Just another second banana
In that case, you can use either VirtualBox, or (and this is IMO the better option) use KVM. KVM is a native hypervisor to linux and is orders of magnitude more performant than VirtualBox is. The only downside is that it doesn't have a lot of the integration frills that other virtualization tools have. The simplest way to get around that is to pretend that the Windows VM is a remote machine and just RDP into it. That will give you things like shared folders, shared clipboard, etc.
That will take care of your work needs. As far as games go, there are a lot of games available for Linux now, and with SteamPlay that catalogue is growing substantially. That being said, don't expect to play triple-A games on release day. I suggest you research if the games you want to play are available for Linux. If so, then you're all set.
If not, you will want to consider other options including getting a console instead, dual-booting to Windows, having a second Windows machine just for gaming, etc. IMO the requirements for a gaming machine and a work machine are substantially different (eg: I don't need a gtx1060 to write email or manage servers), so I just bought a separate gaming machine. Live is much simpler that way. If Windows trashes my gaming machine, it's annoying. If it trashes my work machine, it's catastrophic.