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New iPad Pro Has Comparable Performance To 2018 15" MacBook Pro in Benchmarks (macrumors.com)
A series of benchmark results have shown up on Geekbench for the new iPad Pro, and its new eight-core A12X Bionic chip is truly a powerhouse. From a report: The new iPad Pro achieved single-core and multi-core scores of 5,025 and 18,106 respectively based on an average of two benchmark results, making it by far the fastest iPad ever and comparable even to the performance of the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro models with Intel's six-core Core i7 chips. We've put together a chart that compares Geekbench scores of the new iPad Pro and various other iPad, Mac, and iPhone models.
That the new iPad Pro rivals the performance of the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro with a 2.6GHz six-core Core i7 processor is impressive, but even more so when you consider that the tablet starts at $799. The aforementioned MacBook Pro configuration is priced at $2,799, although with 512GB of storage. Even the new 11-inch iPad Pro with 512GB of storage is only $1,149, less than half that of the Core i7-equipped MacBook Pro.
That the new iPad Pro rivals the performance of the latest 15-inch MacBook Pro with a 2.6GHz six-core Core i7 processor is impressive, but even more so when you consider that the tablet starts at $799. The aforementioned MacBook Pro configuration is priced at $2,799, although with 512GB of storage. Even the new 11-inch iPad Pro with 512GB of storage is only $1,149, less than half that of the Core i7-equipped MacBook Pro.
Apple already did PPC to Intel on the current architecture and a good number of people believe the Mac will go Apple ARM soon.
Then it's simply a matter of having a Mac Mode on the iDevices that offers a KVM experience.
Looks like that day is getting closer.
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The MacBook Pro prices are inflated, so the comparison between IPAD and MacBook is not that interesting.
But an ARM CPU on par with the (relatively) high end Intel Core i7!?!?!
This is big news!!!
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I am betting that the benchmarks chosen were very selective and probably software bound. Not a lot of detail here.
First off, I love my Macs. I have a couple MacBook Pros and the system is one of the best I've used. Unfortunately, its the Operating System that really seals it for me. The hardware on my MacBooks is terrible for the generation. The keyboards are terrible, they're extremely un-servicable and un-expandable. - the most redeeming qualities are the battery life and the touchpad. I appreciate the qualities of the walled garden atmosphere of the iPad, but sometimes I just need a real system.
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2018 MacBook Pro has paltry performance equal to a cell phone CPU powered iPad Pro.
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Big news for Apple, and very bad news for Intel. The last thing they need is yet another indicator of how stagnant the Intel processor line has become.
Lots of people have speculated that the next generation of Apple laptops will drop Intel entirely. If Apple can fab a 7nm A12X variant at TSMC that runs Mac OS, the switch could happen as early as next year. TSMC already has at least a one-year lead over Intel. Intel's 10nm fab (comparable to TSMC's 7nm fab) won't ramp up until late 2019.
And if Apple abandons Intel for ARM / TSMC, how long will it take for other companies to do the same?
The MacBook Pro prices are inflated, so the comparison between IPAD and MacBook is not that interesting.
But an ARM CPU on par with the (relatively) high end Intel Core i7!?!?! This is big news!!!
You want to talk about inflated prices? .... smartphones (all major brands), now there's an example of inflated prices.
Well this is really surprising. I wonder what spec they gave up to get that. My understanding,perhaps wrong, is the A12 is an ARM, probably some derivative of an ARM cortex 64 bit. Is it true that Arm I liscences the basic instruction system but people are free to tweak the silicon?
if not you'd think other makers using the ARM design would be reporting the same specs already.
if so it's possible I guess that apple found a way to make the ARM processor as fast as a flagship Intel processor.
But ARM has always been known for being low power. So did they give up some low power spec?
Perhaps the benchmarks used are register or in-cache calculation not memory fetches?
Anyhow if we can credit these benchmarks as being indicative of number crunching performance this is rearranges my world view of ARM versus Intel. Need to start paying attention and not assuming that ARM processors are slow.
I suspect this also puts a wrench into microsofts gears. Have microsofts ARM based tablet based OS caught up with their x86 based OS yet? 5 years ago the RT models were crippled.
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That's only becuase they don't have poll the keyboard driver trying to pick up sticky keys.
The iPad "Pro" is totally useless. More humph will not change that. Until there is a mouse, the iPad Pro is just an expensive piece of shit only good for reading emails and doodling.
A lot of us were waiting for a new iPad mini 5. I use an iPad mini 4 for flight planning and it works brilliantly, exactly the right size to use in the cockpit. But it's four years old now, and while its CPU and graphics are up to the task, its battery life kinda sucks.
Without a fan, it's hard to understand how high performance could be sustainable for long term number crunching. Maybe it's not for sustained calculation? Still even if it's just a burst it means the thing won't be laggy. It just won't replace the laptops use case in serious calculations
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Wilco, geekbench has apparently replaced dhrystone as your favourite useless benchmark.
Geekbench is SH*T.
It actually seems to have gotten worse with version 3, which you should be aware of. On ARM64, that SHA1 performance is hardware-assisted. I don't know if SHA2 is too, but Aarch64 does apparently do SHA256 in the crypto unit, so it might be fully or partially so.
And on both ARM and x86, the AES numbers are similarly just about the crypto unit.
So basically a quarter to a third of the "integer" workloads are just utter BS. They are not comparable across architectures due to the crypto units, and even within one architecture the numbers just don't mean much of anything.
And quite frankly, it's not even just the crypto ones. Looking at the other GB3 "benchmarks", they are mainly small kernels: not really much different from dhrystone. I suspect most of them have a code footprint that basically fits in a L1I cache.
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The performance might be fine, but the price isn't. The iPad Pro costs as much or more than a gaming laptop. The new Mac Mini is twice as expensive as basic i3s from PC OEMs.
On top of it all, they are almost impossible for the average person to repair. You're paying top dollar just to get screwed when it breaks.
the benchmark is geekbench so it's going to be a non-trivial speed measurement and not just integers. But it is the geekbench cpu benchmark not the geekbench computer benchmark so it's trying to test the processor speed not the integrated computer speed or real-world calculation that uses other parts of the computer.
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I'm surprised you didn't point out that the apple one-button mouse is cheating since it it less of a system load than a 3 button mouse.
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So your rant is short circuited.
https://browser.geekbench.com/...
Watch the Apple product release for the iPad Pro and watch them edit a 3GB PSD file. First editing a small part, then zooming out, editing, so on and so forth, out and out until you saw the whole thing with many hundreds of layers.
That's the kind of thing that provides proof the benchmarks were not "very selective", it shows that the benchmarks are telling us something very real about performance.
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It better be about as fast, at a similar price-point.
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The iPad Pro has the option of using an Apple Pencil, as accurate as any mouse for selecting exact points on the screen.
Or heck, it has USB-C - plug in a mouse if you like. Probably apps could support "real" mice if they cared to.
But generally there is no need for a mouse...
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How about they compress a a big file, or transcode a video file?
Sounds like Geekbench is a very badly written software that favors Apple's chips.
At taking our money.
TSMC already has at least a one-year lead over Intel. Intel's 10nm fab (comparable to TSMC's 7nm fab) won't ramp up until late 2019.
And if Apple abandons Intel for ARM / TSMC, how long will it take for other companies to do the same?
Depends on who can supply them. Apple isn't going to sell its ARM chips to competitors; and until someone makes an ARM chip that is as powerful as an x86 and can run x86 emulation well so existing programs can run out of the box, there will be little reason to dump Intel.
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Sadly I don't know which is worse paying a lot for a iPad Pro with IOS or paying even more for a Macbook Pro that can't perform better then a iPad Pro.
That I could program FOSS software on, I could replace my old MacBook Pro.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
And to a larger extent: does it run anything useful? It's not gonna beat a laptop until it has a laptop OS. OSX or otherwise.
The MacBook Pro prices are inflated, so the comparison between IPAD and MacBook is not that interesting.
But an ARM CPU on par with the (relatively) high end Intel Core i7!?!?!
This is big news!!!
On ARM, Apple RULES!
And is even bigger news taking into account that this happens with a SOC designed for very low power, not for notebooks nor desktops).
Just imagine the team tweaking for a bigger power envelope with what they have...
In any case... Intel right now is soooo behind in manufacturing tech. This is what should really worry Intel. Intel got away with the x86 back in the day because of economies of scale and being way ahead in manufacturing processes. Right now those variables are against them. And the "compatibility" card nowadays is weaker than it used to be.
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So then I guess the Windows Registry must be long gone then! That's a relief.
And Windows has been virus free for many years now? Good to hear!!
I mean, since Windows 3.1 era problems do not matter and all..
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there is a nice looping symmetry here.
1990 - ARM is founded as a spin-off from Acorn and Apple, after the two companies started collaborating on the ARM processor as part of the development of Apple's new Newton computer system.
Apple shed ARM after the newton failed. Then after tablets came back the ARM became the key. Now apple has made the best ARM hardware implementation.
Next step is for the tablet to grow a keyboard and it's the new Acorn-- a light weight computer. Someone should put an Acorn emulator app on it.
It's kinda like being your own grandpa.
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The Macbook sucks so much now that it's not even more powerful than an iPad?
I KNEW someone would try to spin it that way.
Stupid fuck.
I looked on http://browser.geekbench.com/p... and it says "Geekbench 4 scores are calibrated against a baseline score of 4000 (which is the score of an Intel Core i7-6600U). Higher scores are better, with double the score indicating double the performance."
I scrolled down to 4000 and couldn't find the 6600U.
If you scroll down further you can see Intel Core i7-6600U 2.6 GHz (2 cores) 3438
They're also saying, for example, a 16 core Threadripper 1950X is slower at multi-core than a 10 core Intel 6950X. Everyone else puts the 1950X at ~50% faster - it has more cache, more cores, more mhz, consumes more power and is a year newer.
If that's how they compare two x86's I'd hate to see how bad ARM vs x86 is in their tests.
They'd have you believe an iPhone XS is about a fast at single core tasks as a Mac Pro boosting to 4.something GHz
You can compare a rock to a Ferrari. Whats their point?
"Apple would not be forced to wait on new Intel chips before being able to release updated Macs."
Is that what's been happening? I guess it took Intel 4 years to update whatever processor was in the Mac Mini...
Compare these clunky 4:3 laptops.
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it looks like a nice machine. If it would run macOS instead of iOS, I would consider it. A tablet like that, which I would use as a notebook replacements, needs to be able to run a shell and a compiler or it isn't a notebook replacement.
I realize I'm a minority, but I still prefer real computers over tablets.
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"iPhones are as fast as Macs are" makes a good headline, but the iPhone benchmarks are measuring burst performance. iPhones throttle down the cpu speed for thermal reasons VERY quickly, and canâ(TM)t really match a Mac for long. It would be interesting to see what would happen with those cpus in a Mac chassis though.
Heck, Intel is having problems with its 10nm process... much less 7nm.
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It is called "a joke". Look it up when you get the chance.
The only people who don't get jokes are the ones that take them serious. So I have to wonder... you really think that's true?
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For anyone who uses XCode this will be easy. Looking at the past, Apple will give an option in XCode to compile for Intel or ARM and maybe even give a fat binary option like they did for 32/64 bit. For most code, an ARM version is just a recompile away.
...I've never once had to look at, much less alter, the registry. I have no idea what your point is.
Depends on who can supply them. Apple isn't going to sell its ARM chips to competitors; and until someone makes an ARM chip that is as powerful as an x86 and can run x86 emulation well so existing programs can run out of the box, there will be little reason to dump Intel.
Mach-O binaries allow for multiple architectures to be bundled together:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach-O
In the PowerPC-to-Intel transition, a checkbox in Xcode allowed for generation of a "Universal binary" that ran on both without emulation:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_binary
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%27s_transition_to_Intel_processors
But then you have to use one of apples terrible operating systems.
They are both simply dreadful.
YUK!
FUCKING apple apologist.
If you cant handle the truth dont leave the genius bar.
If you want to stop being laughed at stop being an ASSHOLE.
Over priced tablet has same performance as shitty laptop.
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May be we could consider that the MBP has awful performance if it perform like an iPad ?
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But an ARM CPU on par with the (relatively) high end Intel Core i7!?!?!
This is big news!!!
Eh, no, it is on par with a Core i7 on this stupid benchmark not in general. Read up on what Geekbench measures and you'll see. It is a bit like benchmarking an ASIC on bitcoin mining and declaring "the ASIC is X times faster than a generic CPU" - I mean, it is, but for something specific.
During our last round of Windows/Mac OS deployments we saw the writing on the wall and moved our devices to Meraki's System Manager product.
We deploy legacy apps using Active Directory and Deploy Studio. New apps are deployed via volume purchasing and the app store.
Eventually all of your desktops will be managed this way. Microsoft and Apple BOTH want a cut of every application that goes out the door. In the next 5 years (fish) look for legacy app deployments to go away. If your app isn't in an app store, it will not be deployable.
We currently keep our directory services in-house, but we are replicating those directory services to external cloud based directory services (Google and Microsoft).
The trend is pretty clear - all endpoints will be managed like mobile devices in the near future.
Sure, you can run Linux and roll your own everything - but most enterprises won't do that.
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FUCKING apple apologist.
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Slashtards.
It is called "a joke". Look it up when you get the chance.
The only people who don't get jokes are the ones that take them serious. So I have to wonder... you really think that's true?
Sorry. I just KNEW that someone would say that. I should have known you weren't serious, since you actually DIDN'T post as an AC...
I really DO have a sense of Humor; but the AC Apple-Haters and their CONSTANT LYING (with NO WAY to "harm" them back!) gets to me after awhile (which I guess is their goal; so...?)
the cognitive dissonance is deafening.
Ios on an arm vs OSX on an i7?
please... different code on a different platform. those numbers mean very little.
No you are a tool and we pick you up and play with you as we see fit. Us ACs own your bitch ass.
Post your real name and address or stfu.
It's getting old.
While all you say might come true, your speculations have more than a whiff of both ARM and Apply fanboism about them. Both of which have been much in evidence.
You load your analysis with words like "if", "likely", and "will". Really? How much are you willing to bet on these outcomes?
ARM in particular has been saddled with a lot of "it's gonna" expectations in recent years, none of which have panned out. ARM servers were "gonna" decimate Intel servers, ARM PCs were "gonna" take over on the desktop. Now it's ARM tablets are "gonna" displace (or at least compete with) MacBook Pros.
Really? Is a tablet gonna replace a MacBook, and not just any MacBook, but the Pro model? You sure about that? How do you propose that tablets are going to shed both their reputation as and the practical realities of media consumption and lightweight browsing devices? Through a spiffy benchmark?
Apple did great work to establish the tablet as a practical device segment. Seems to me like this is a step too far though.
That was more a pick on an overly simplifying headline than Apple.
That AC ad-hominem above, yes, that's a troll.
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