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Apple Used To Be an Inventor. Now It's Mainly a Landlord. (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: For years, analysts and journalists watching Apple have talked up the growing importance of services, as opposed to hardware sales, to the company's top line. But it's only now that Apple's business model truly appears to be shifting toward collecting rent from the company's ecosystem and increasingly relying on gadget sales to perpetuate this rent rather than drive growth. Apple's decision to stop reporting iPhone unit sales underscores the shift. Services have been steadily growing in importance for Apple since 2016, while the share of revenue provided by the flagship gadget, the iPhone, has gone up and down depending on the popularity of different models.

There's a lot of potential for Apple to squeeze a higher rent directly out of its captive user base. Goldman Sachs estimates that only 10 percent of Apple's user base pay for iCloud Storage; in terms of price and service quality, iCloud has been a poor competitor to services provided by Google and some smaller companies such as Dropbox, but that only means Apple can increase revenue from it exponentially if it bothered to compete more aggressively, as it does with another key service, Apple Music. Even that streaming service has relatively low penetration, though, with only about 35 million users last year. Goldman Sachs predicts that number will grow to 83 million by 2020. Goldman's proposal for Apple is to create a services bundle similar to Amazon Prime; for $30 a month or so, subscribers would get access to music, video, 200 GB of storage and phone repair. The investment bank calculates that with just 50 million subscribers, such a bundle could add $18 billion in services revenue in 2019.
"Rent extraction from a user base that finds it hard to go away may sound a bit like extortion," Leonid Bershidsky writes in closing. "But it's more honest and upfront than extracting data from users in ways they often don't understand and then making money off the data, as Facebook does. That honesty is in itself a competitive advantage for Apple as it gradually reimagines itself as more of a services company."

The challenge, Bershidsky writes, "is to grow the services offering fast enough to make up for potential iPhone revenue losses; gadget prices cannot keep going up forever without hurting the top line, and in the end, a phone is just a phone. We only need it to gain access to all the nice digital stuff out there."

205 comments

  1. Rent Seeking by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rent seeking is a code-word for a coercive business transaction. I don't think it fits Apple's situation. The smart phone market is pretty well saturated. The only new revenue you can get is through related devices (watches? headphones?) or services.

    There are plenty of competitors. If one of them can come up with something substantially better then they could easily crush everyone else in the smartphone market.

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    1. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple really doesn't know how to sell. They've had exclusivity as an advantage for so long that all their marketing is based on having a special product that you only need to give people a glimpse of and they will pour into apple stores all over the country to buy. Compare iCloud to the first iPod. You don't sell iCloud with beautiful commercials of people jogging in scenic places.

    2. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, hey apple, I saw your fantasy ad for iCloud. But what does iCloud do? You have to buy it first sir.

    3. Re:Rent Seeking by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Rent seeking is a code-word for a coercive business transaction. I don't think it fits Apple's situation.

      Indeed. What is described in TFA is not "rent-seeking".

      Also, most people have Amazon Prime for the free shipping on their stuff. The movies are music are just extra benefits. The cost is $10 per month. So why would 50 million people pay $30/month for a worse deal? Answer: They wouldn't.

      Bundling phone repair into a monthly service package will just encourage people to fix their phones and keep them longer, which is the last thing Apple wants.

      Apple is the most profitable company in the history of the world. I don't think they need advice from some random journalist about what they are doing wrong.

      Lastly, Apple was never an "inventor".

    4. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of competitors. If one of them can come up with something substantially better then they could easily crush everyone else in the smartphone market.

      Yeah, it would be a shame if Google came up with a smartphone OS that was even more successful than Apple...

    5. Re:Rent Seeking by Kogun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When Apple's products are specifically designed to work less optimally after 2 years, when the products are purposely designed to not be fixable, when the company seeks to have laws implemented that would prohibit third party repairs, when the digital data is designed to not be transferable to other platforms, then "coercive business transaction" is an apt description.

      Of course, Apple is not the only company trying to maximize this business model.

    6. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of competitors. If one of them can come up with something substantially better then they could easily crush everyone else in the smartphone market.

      You mean like Google did with Android?

    7. Re:Rent Seeking by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Informative

      The thing the smartphone market was missing was a good universal(NOT CARRIER RUN SEGMENTED JUNGLE OF SHIT) before apple. that 30% and 100 bucks was a pretty goddamned good deal(getting stuff signed for symbian or j2me cost way more - per one release! and the shops you could sell on gave you shit percentages).

      Appstore and google play store fixed that. If you've wondered what really killed Nokia this was a major factor in it, as their attempts were so half hearted because they didn't want to go against operators. They had their Download! etc but .. you would be really, really surprised on what kind of a budget those attempts were ran(displaying nokias motivation) and what kind of money you needed to sort payments for them(again displaying nokias motivation level - you wouldn't believe how good deal that 100$ bucks starting developer fee from apple was compared to the sums you needed to get a popular symbian os licensing platform and accepting payments on it - both in startup cost and per transaction cost for typical mobile payment sizes).

      There is no easy way currently to break in a new smartphone platform in.. Android is already too well established in the lower(and higher too) end.

      also there's kaiOS but thats a transitory ecosystem, just like tizen.

      windows phone failed due to not matching features. launching a smartphone platform with featurephone capabilities was a dumb AF move. it was also tragically funny having ms and nokia people lobby for ports of apps onto the platform that were literally impossible to do at the time on the platform. then when escalating through ms dev relations the answer came back as "you don't need to do that". well, okay then. thanks for the free phone and food I guess.

      anyways about apple, they're making cheaper and cheaper devices and selling them for higher and higher price. It's not their fault that people buy it. they will continue to make them cheaper and cheaper to make.

      also somehow they manage to sell 3 year old devices that will have support dropped in like 1 year. that should be illegal (they do this in asia. apple actually has mid tier phones and has had for years. they just keep selling the old models - and this is new in box models through operators, a lot of it in asia. no refurbs. but new in box phones of 3 year old phones. thats their 200 dollar segment). apple sells them and doesn't give a fuck that the sw support is due to be dropped in just a little while.

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    8. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lastly, Apple was never an "inventor".

      But it took an Apple (Jobs) to recognize, e.g., the brilliant nerd doofuses at PARC were ignoring a profound input device invention because they had already moved on to something more fun. Inventing is important; as is finding a new star. But then what?

    9. Re:Rent Seeking by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of competitors. If one of them can come up with something substantially better then they could easily crush everyone else in the smartphone market.

      There's a big market space waiting for a secure, less fragmented iteration of Android. Anyone care to occupy it?

    10. Re:Rent Seeking by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      Rent seeking is a code-word for a coercive business transaction. I don't think it fits Apple's situation. The smart phone market is pretty well saturated. The only new revenue you can get is through related devices (watches? headphones?) or services.

      There are plenty of competitors. If one of them can come up with something substantially better then they could easily crush everyone else in the smartphone market.

      The problem with video is that you either need to strike licensing deals or create your own content. Both Netflix and Amazon realized that they could only make money with their video streaming services if they created their own content. Licensed content is too expensive, they need a different license for each region, etc. By creating your own content, you can make it available everywhere and it ends up costing less than licensing fees.

      In order for Apple to compete in the video market, they would have to do the same thing. I don't know if the current management at Apple are willing to take the risk and move into unfamiliar territory like video content creation.

    11. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iCloud is really only a support for the real products that Apple sells like Macs and iPhones. You can purchase more storage space, but you don't have to.

    12. Re: Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mobile market came into fruition as a sandboxed environment.

      Since virtually all these users are just content consumers it would definitely work to Apple's bottom line if they push to expand the service side.

    13. Re:Rent Seeking by crashumbc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't consider Apple (Jobs) an inventor.

      He was the tech version of a talent agent, his skill was identifying, promoting, and producing (refining) the invention.

    14. Re: Rent Seeking by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The iPhone 5S was released in 2013, five years ago. It was discontinued in 2015 in most places, 2017 in India. It's still getting software support. There are android phones that never got a single update. Apple has historically had better support for its phones than any other company. I'm on a 4 year upgrade cycle because that's generally how long my phones last (with a thin case).

      I get absolutely every single dollar worth out of my iPhones while I watched friends have endless boot loops on their Pixels (which couldnâ(TM)t be repaired in Canada because google would refer them to the manufacturer and then be referred back to google BY the manufacturer).

      The state of longevity and customer support in the market is fairly poor, but Apple is certainly miles ahead of everyone else.

    15. Re:Rent Seeking by sphealey · · Score: 1

      Define "successful". Most units installed? Sure. Make any return on it? Well....

    16. Re:Rent Seeking by sphealey · · Score: 1, Interesting

      - - - - When Apple's products are specifically designed to work less optimally after 2 years, - - - - -

      Not really sure what this is supposed to mean. Apple iPhones easily last 3 years with a bit of care and 5 years for many, and Apple provide extensive OS updates with security patches throughout the reasonable lifespan of the device (compare to generic Android devices which almost never get updates). Batteries do tend to lose capacity over time - this has been known for a hundred years - and Apple has been working on making information about that degredation visible and providing OS optimizations to allow the user to manage that - some of those optimizations are not to all owners' taste and that subset was annoyed, true. Throughout the history of personal computing OSs and apps tend to get more complex over time leading to a perceived 'slowdown' of older devices; this is true for Apple devices but is not unique to them (loved my Nexus 7; it was rendered unusable by OS updates).

      Repairabiliy? First point to remember is that the manufacturers have information on typical lifecycle costs that you do not. Second point is that techies' preferences are not the preferences of the typical human being. But it is a reality that much design of personal appliances (of all types) is moving to integrated monoblock units that are essentially "unrepairable" (sometimes at all, otherwise without a lot of effort). I suspect the cell phone manufacturers' next goal is a unit built as a single integrated piece of glass ala Tony Stark. You can dislike this trend, and you can claim that for your use case it is uneconomical, but you cannot claim without a lot of data you don't have that it is economically inefficient from a global analysis.

    17. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rent seeking does not mean coercion at all. Rent seeking just means occupying a position where others pay for something you possess rather than any service or good you labor to create. Rent seeking means exactly what the component words add up to mean. "Landlording" would work just as well. Nobody forces you to pay rent. But people who actively pursue positioning themselves as landlords are actively seeking ways to obtain buying power without working. That's rent seeking.

      So in the Apple case the rent seeking is the laziness of not innovating but instead just collecting percentages for access to the Apple ecosystem. This very much appears to be what Apple is now doing. It won't work in the long run.

      Did Cook work for Pepsi?

    18. Re:Rent Seeking by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      - - - - When Apple's products are specifically designed to work less optimally after 2 years, - - - - -

      Not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

      This, just the first example I found :-
      https://www.theguardian.com/te...

    19. Re:Rent Seeking by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      will just encourage people to fix their phones and keep them longer, which is the last thing Apple wants.

      If Apple could guarantee no one would ever buy a new phone, they probably would. They make a ton of money off apps, Apple Music subscriptions, etc. And those have almost no per-unit costs or physical infrastructure requirements. What scares them far more than you not buying another iPhone is buying an Android device.

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    20. Re:Rent Seeking by sphealey · · Score: 2

      Yes, I'm well aware of those stories. I doubt very much Apple had any intention of "deliberately slowing down their phones" [with hidden subtext of driving more sales]; it is equally or more likely that they were trying to provide better usability for their customers with older phones. Regulatory agencies don't have to investigate or take intent into account if they don't believe it is necessary, but that doesn't mean a regulatory agency's action is the final word on why an action was taken. Interestingly this is the position many techbro Slashdotters take in regards to regulatory agencies that regulate, e.g. Uber and its self-driving car division, but go "huh?" when it is pointed out concerning Apple. Odd that.

    21. Re:Rent Seeking by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Being a landlord is not generally considered to be rent seeking. Rent seeking means seeking to make profits from something that you already have created without contributing anything back to society. A landlord contributes the use of property to society in exchange for that money. There is an actual cost to the landlord, both in terms of being unable to use that property for other things and in terms of having to maintain that property.

      It could be argued that the iOS App Store qualifies as rent seeking — not because there isn't a cost to Apple associated with providing the store, but because Apple uses policies that prevent users from side-loading apps or using other app stores to enforce their ability to make profits on all apps used on the platform, and some people would argue that there is no benefit to society from those road blocks. (This, of course, boils down to the whole closed versus open ecosystem debate.)

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    22. Re:Rent Seeking by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      also somehow they manage to sell 3 year old devices that will have support dropped in like 1 year. that should be illegal (they do this in asia. apple actually has mid tier phones and has had for years. they just keep selling the old models - and this is new in box models through operators, a lot of it in asia. no refurbs. but new in box phones of 3 year old phones. thats their 200 dollar segment). apple sells them and doesn't give a fuck that the sw support is due to be dropped in just a little while.

      So glad you can accurately predict the future!

      When it comes to supporting older devices, especially Mobile ones, NOBODY can compare Apple negatively to ANYONE else.

      Period.

      iOS12 (just released about a month ago), supports iPhones back to the 5s.

      That's equivalent to Samsung still Supporting the Galaxy S4 with OS and Security Updates(!!!)

      According to the link below, the last OS Update for the S4 was Android LOLLIPOP, in November, 2015.

      https://www.androidpit.com/gal...

      So kindly STFU on this subject. You just look (even more) stupid arguing this point.

    23. Re:Rent Seeking by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple uses policies that prevent users from side-loading apps or using other app stores

      Time for this meme to die. It hasn't really been true since iOS 8.0. Do some research on Cydia Impactor, and the vibrant iOS Open Source community. And no, it isn't all just Swift stuff... ...And besides, considering the Googolplex of Android Malware articles (almost all of them even involving the supposedly-curated Google Play Store), I am more than happy with the Googolplex of CLEAN Apps I can DL WITHOUT WORRY from the iOS App Store, thankyouverymuch!

    24. Re:Rent Seeking by qubezz · · Score: 1

      Pokemon Go has made $2 billion. Apple takes $600 million of that, not for any innovation other than having a device that is locked down so users can't install their own software without the app creator paying the troll toll.

      Rent seeking is what it's always been about.

    25. Re:Rent Seeking by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      the vibrant iOS Open Source community

      You've got some private definition of "vibrant". Apple open source looks about as vibrant as code.google.com.

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    26. Re:Rent Seeking by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      the vibrant iOS Open Source community

      You've got some private definition of "vibrant". Apple open source looks about as vibrant as code.google.com.

      Bullshit.

      This GitHub Repository shows 847 Projects.

      https://github.com/dkhamsing/o...

      And there are several more that are Swift-Specific.

    27. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you shilly.
      Always leave it to an apple shill to be full of bullshit.

    28. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW 847 project. Out of how many GitHub projects?
      Fucking idiot shill selectively left that info out.
      But that is a lot of Fart apps

    29. Re:Rent Seeking by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      There's no secret to what's happening. Steve Jobs was the innovator at Apple.

      Since he's been gone there has been zero innovation there. In this case it's not really the engineers that innovate, it's the idea guy who sends the engineers the projects they work on and the integrators that take the individual small improvements to hardware and combine them into an actual innovative system. With Jobs gone Apple is just living off the carcass now. Its justa matter of time till they fold.

    30. Re:Rent Seeking by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Google did not come up with Android. They bought it.

      From Google's point of view that was probably a mistake because it put them in competition with one of the major channels for delivering their products.

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    31. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lastly, Apple was never an "inventor".

      But it took an Apple (Jobs) to recognize, e.g., the brilliant nerd doofuses at PARC were ignoring a profound input device invention

      Which one would that be? It sure as hell wasn't the mouse, PARC stole that.

    32. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - - - - When Apple's products are specifically designed to work less optimally after 2 years, - - - - -

      Not really sure what this is supposed to mean.

      This, just the first example I found :- https://www.theguardian.com/te...

      Yeah, in Italy - where they also jail scientists for not predicting earthquakes.

    33. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of competitors. If one of them can come up with something substantially better then they could easily crush everyone else in the smartphone market.

      You mean like Google did with Android?

      Yeah, the OS they bought from a start-up, and then had to do a major rewrite on because Apple released the iPhone, and they realized their Blackberry clone wouldn't make it in the real world.

    34. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with video is that you either need to strike licensing deals or create your own content. Both Netflix and Amazon realized that they could only make money with their video streaming services if they created their own content.

      Wait a sec - aren't both still doing the opposite of "make money"?

    35. Re:Rent Seeking by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      Thank you shilly.
      Always leave it to an apple shill to be full of bullshit.

      Please show me where the bullshit is in my post.

      1. Apple's latest mobile OS, iOS 12, DOES support iPhones back to the 5s.

      2. The 5s and the Samsung S4 were both released in 2013.

      3. Samsung ended Support for the S4 with Android Lollipop, in 2015.

      4. Ergo, Apple's CONTINUING Support of the iPhone 5s is absolutely equivalent to Samsung supporting the S4 up through the current Android version, "Pie".

      So, where, pray tell, is the Bullshit, Hater? It is now "Shilling" to point out IRREFUTABLE FACTS on Slashdot?

      Guess so.

    36. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple is still crap. Long support does not take their bad software and make it any better.
      The only thing irrefutable is your shilling on here. It is nauseating actually.
      You seem to have so much hate in you.
      SAD

    37. Re:Rent Seeking by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      WOW 847 project. Out of how many GitHub projects?
      Fucking idiot shill selectively left that info out.
      But that is a lot of Fart apps

      Show me the fart apps in those.

      And if I had said ANY number, you would have had the same reaction.

      Now, STFU, ANONYMOUS COWARD!!!

    38. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Profits from iPhone sales are a crap-tonne more then from Apps, Apple Music and Services.

      $41 Billion vs. $10 billion.

      While the Service side grows, they need the hardware side to balance it all out.

            TOM...

    39. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, Apple was "deliberately slowing down their phones". The did it on purpose, with a team of people working on how to do it, with the least noticeable user impact. If that is not a deliberate attempt at slowing down their phone, I have no idea what 'deliberate' means.

      Apple made the real life mistake of cutting costs on batteries. They deliberately made the choice to go with small and poor batteries for the performance of the iPhone.

      Why tell anyone that your processor is 2xFaster then last year, if your plan is to slow down the phones in order to keep a consistent experience. Does this mean the phone does not need a 2xFaster processor? Maybe you didn't need to by a new phone after all? Selling point meaningless?

      Instead of saying their batteries are crap, we have people saying they are saving the end user from problems. The reality is, crap batteries, crap performance, and crap random shutdown user experience.

      You really CAN polish a turd (Mythbusters), but do you want to pay $2000 for that polished turd?

          TOM...

    40. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brand loyalty shilling for a trillion-dollar company that is deliberately taking advantage of you is just effing sad. I hope you at least work there.

      My OnePlus One is 4.5 years old, gets regular updates through CyanogenMod, had its screen replaced 3 times (by me, because it's easy) and cost almost 1/3 as much as an iProduct from back then, closer to 1/4 the cost a of a current-gen iProduct. I also believe it will be the last new phone I ever purchase as the premium compared to buying a year-old phone on eBay does not seem to buy anything other than status.

      People who buy Apple are people who have more money than sense, lack the ability to assess value, and are desperately trying to impress other people while lacking anything impressive about themselves.

      And don't even get started with "It just works." Apple hasn't "just worked" since 2016. High Sierra and Mojave are trainwrecks.

    41. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, CyanogenMod. It's LineageOS now. Habit.

    42. Re:Rent Seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

      "...rent-seeking involves seeking to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating new wealth. Rent-seeking results in reduced economic efficiency through poor allocation of resources, reduced actual wealth-creation, lost government revenue, increased income inequality, and (potentially) national decline."

      Why is it that those who defend capitalism most vehemently always reveal their complete lack of understanding of it?

    43. Re:Rent Seeking by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Rent seeking is a code-word for a coercive business transaction. I don't think it fits Apple's situation.

      Indeed. What is described in TFA is not "rent-seeking".

      Does it become rent seeking if a contract of adhesion is involved?

    44. Re:Rent Seeking by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I'm not shilling for them.

      I don't buy Apple products. Only reason I use some is that I get paid to do so, it's kinda hard to do builds for iOS without osx.

      Actually I'm saying people are stupid to keep paying more for less, but I see people glamoring for them all the time. I guess it's same as was with ibm in early '90s.

      however there are reasons for why developers jumped on the iOS bandwagon so easily and it was simply that it was super cheap super easy to start making cash on it. that's the vital part that android copied from them. that was the thing developers wanted - it doesn't matter how terrible the os would have been to code for.

      It was really fucking hard to monetize anything on symbian as a smalltime developer. I kid you not it would have cost thousands to get the usually used license manager/billing software that most symbian software used at the time(same as Nokia used on their maps before making them free). and for 1 dollar purchases a lot worse than losing just 30% like with apple. compared to that the 100 dollar yearly developer fees from apple/google were really, really cheap.

      One Indian company got absolutely hosed buying that license manager company I tell you that much... wasn't a bad place to work for a while.

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  2. The usual apple circlejerk by Tsolias · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple spent less r&d in than AMD in the era where Apple was a duopoly in the smartphone and tablet market with Samsung(no chinese companies back then where so huge) than AMD spent in r&d during their bulldozer days.

    Apple, aside from the firewire, hasn't invented anything. They repackage, copy-pasta ideas, from others.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    I hate fanboys because their fanboy-ism is based upon marketing and ads. I love fanboys who are fanboys for technical reasons.
    Let the hate flow, I learnt the "foe" feature here 3 years into this account after an "anti-apple" comment.

    Apple is a fashion choice, stop being fashists.

    1. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Tsolias · · Score: 0

      fuck... I should start reading the preview... the syntax is a mess and the mistakes are annoying... but you know what I mean.

    2. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Let the hate flow, I learnt the "foe" feature here 3 years into this account after an "anti-apple" comment.

      Apple is a fashion choice, stop being fashists.

      Strange that the article assumes that Apple users are somehow trapped on Apple products. Shall we chat about people who actually brag of how business is effectively locked into Windows?

      Apple's inventions or lack of them are not the point. The point is what companies do with the inventions. Someone's gonna hate on you no matter. I'm on Linux at the moment. At home and work I have Apple and Windows. If I post anything on any of those, I'll get flamed. Meh, whateva.

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    3. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Apple, aside from the firewire, hasn't invented anything. They repackage, copy-pasta ideas, from others.

      So what?

      I don't totally agree with you that Apple just "copy-pasta ideas from others", but even if so, why should I care? Their stuff is generally well designed and high quality. Why shouldn't I just buy whatever product works best for me, completely ignoring who invented what?

      In fact, to be honest, I think a lot of companies would do better to follow established standards instead of trying to invent things. I'm glad Apple is generally using standard USB and Thunderbolt ports, for example, and would prefer that they use USB-C instead of Lightning. It's telling that people will complain that Apple only uses their own proprietary technology and standards in one breath and then complain that they never invented anything in the next.

    4. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Fuck Linux. Linus Torvalds is a total retard.

      You forgot misogynist, misandrist, and supercilious cock-a-whoop.

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    5. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what have you assholes done lately that has changed the world?

    6. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look everybody - a corporate-Progressive nazi is hurling tired insults at a world hero of Freedom.

      Hey Nazi asshole - what have you ever done for the world?

      Look everybody, look at the nazi shitlord! Leave him a post saying "fuck off, Nazi asshole".

    7. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you haven't noticed the A12x or anything. Hmm.

    8. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Apple is a fashion choice, stop being fashists.

      Last time I checked iOS only runs on Apple devices and Mac OS X or OS X *legally* only runs on Macs.

      Perhaps you want to look up what a fanboy/i is or what fashion is.

      I know hundreds of Apple users and most of them are hard core computer users, give them better hardware and a better OS and they switch instantly.

      OTOH if you have a reasonable specced laptop, preferred made from metal, and you install me macOS on it, I might buy it. Just to prove a point. I don't care about laptops, or brands. But I care about the OS!

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    9. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      He is also fat! Well, according to european standards at least ... /me peeks his nose and looks at what he found

      Oh, what did I want to say, I forgot.

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    10. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by cyberpunkrocker · · Score: 1

      Innovation on Apple stalled when Steve Jobs died. Now Apple is copying its own products over and over again.

      Sadly, most smartphone manufacturers still think Apple as an innovator, and are afraid of breaking out of the rat race of copying everything Apple does.

    11. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, Nazi asshole.

    12. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by sphealey · · Score: 1

      Apple is making a return on its investment. Why AMD is still in business is something of a mystery. So I'm not sure citing AMD's R&D spending is a good argument.

      And for whatever Apple are spending on chip research they are getting a heck of an ROI and putting out amazing designs on a routine 2-year cycle.

    13. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Fuck off, Nazi asshole.

      U mad, Bro?

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    14. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      He is also fat! Well, according to european standards at least ... /me peeks his nose and looks at what he found

      Oh, what did I want to say, I forgot.

      A pity when the latest social justice issue is complete control of people's personalities.

      The tyranny of the weakest.

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    15. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I love fanboys who are fanboys for technical reasons.

      Then you should LOVE me.

      I frankly don't care much for the vast majority of Apple's ads and videos. I think they actually do a pretty piss-poor job of describing the MERITS of Apple Products and the Apple "Ecosystem" (boy do I hate that term!). But, in most cases, those advantages DO exist, for tech-savvy users like me, those advantages keep me happy, and keep me coming back for more, decade after decade, even though I have plenty of experience on the Dark Side (Windows), and actually develop Windows business software for a living...

      By the way, your assertion that the only thing Apple ever invented was FireWire is laughable. The REAL list is as long as a typical NBA player is tall. Many of their most important inventions, like ZeroConf and Bonjour, to name a couple that come to mind, they've even given back to the community at large.

    16. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Look everybody - a corporate-Progressive nazi is hurling tired insults at a world hero of Freedom.

      Hey Nazi asshole - what have you ever done for the world?

      Look everybody, look at the nazi shitlord! Leave him a post saying "fuck off, Nazi asshole".

      Oh, sheesh. Maximus whooshification.

      Protip: When someone writes that someone is a "supercilious cock-a-whoop", it is likely to the point of certainty that he's being facetious. Just sayin.

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    17. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So what have you assholes done lately that has changed the world?

      Pissed you off, which counts for something.

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    18. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Innovation on Apple stalled when Steve Jobs died. Now Apple is copying its own products over and over again.

      The Ax series of SoCs ALONE belies your assertion.

      And that's just ONE example.

    19. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Why AMD is still in business is something of a mystery.

      AMD is responsible for nearly all the modern innovation in high performance x86 CPUs. The modern instruction set is entirely due to AMD (in fact we call it AMD64, even on Intel). AMD invented Hypertransport, which Intel copied as Quickpath. AMD pioneered multichip CPU modules, which Intel will be forced to imitate. Basically everything interesting lately.

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    20. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet that is the only one you can mention?

      Did apple last cheque not clear?

    21. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tyranny of the weakest.

      Trannies on average possess more physical strength than their biological female counterparts.

    22. Re: The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poe's law

    23. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The tyranny of the weakest.

      Trannies on average possess more physical strength than their biological female counterparts.

      Is that a trannie tyranny?

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    24. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Kartu · · Score: 1

      So what?

      So that we are commenting on an article that is based on how inventive Apple was.

    25. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Innovation on Apple stalled when Steve Jobs died. Now Apple is copying its own products over and over again.

      While other companies copy Apple's products - now that`s innovation.

    26. Re:The usual apple circlejerk by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think the article is nonsense.

  3. Here's the correct link to the quoted article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They NEVER INVENTED anything

    Why is that so damn hard to understand?

    Their success is a mix of nostalgia and PR/hype.. Nothing more

    Please try to Remember this

    1. Re:Once again by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Meh, then your definition of "invent" is too strict. True, they didn't invent the home computer. But after a few tries they managed to find a formula that worked and an entire industry was born. They didn't invent the GUI - but they finally innovated a recipe that worked with the Mac and the PC world never looked the same. Then they did it again with the iPod, the iPhone, and the iPad - all categories that technically existed, but sucked. I could write any one of those off as a lucky fluke, but they've done it several times. They've failed several times, too... for instance they got too crazy with the Newton and Palm figured out the formula instead. Even the lightbulb was an iterative design and not something popped into existence by Edison.

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    2. Re:Once again by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then who is the true Innovators who really invented something?
      We keep on saying that we are not innovating, and that companies have lost their way.
      But technology has been progressing, we have been getting new things. They are not normally WOW THIS WILL Change my life. But more well this is slightly more convent, and this continues gradually. 20 years ago we had internet video, but it was normally in a 320x200 size, that if buffered would take 5 minutes to download, before it started. If you happened to happen to have such video on a CD you might be able to play it in 640x480 full screen, but it would be very choppy. Watching Ripped TV Shows on PC was poor quality.

      Apple is good at taking a technology and making it for the consumer, they do not invent the technology but they implement it in a way that can be useful. Because of Apple I now have a Phone that has a resolution matching if not exceeding modern laptops, Geek Bench scores matching mid/upper tear laptops. video camera(s), GPS, Multi-touch display, counts its steps, knows its location and position..... 20 years ago this was unheard of, the thickness of such phone is thinner then some of the plastic cases.

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    3. Re:Once again by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Innovators do not invent things. They successfully apply inventions in a product, service or process. The word for inventions is “new”; for innovations it’s “change”.

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    4. Re:Once again by Megol · · Score: 1

      They turn computers from complicated tools to limited appliances. They care about details and looks over usability, usability over adaptability.

    5. Re: Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are very few real inventions that are new, most ideas are really innovations on things and making them better. Apple has been very successful with innovation, as has Android for that matter.

      Innovation like invention however isn't something that you can just do. For the 5-6 generations of the iPhone it was pretty easy in some ways, phones were terribly out of date technology wise, so there was a lot of innovation both in speed, and utility. Really do you think many people will notice the speed differences on the new iPhone? I have a 7, I never notice any lag caused by the processor why would I need one 2 to 3 times faster?

      Now though we have crammed in about all the functionality available, so until something new comes along that requires or allows another paradigm shift, for people hoping for something truely new and different they will probably be disappointed.

      The thing is though there is a lot of innovation going on that's more in the background at least with Apple around privacy and security. Then there is also cameras both for Apple and Android were the technology is moving forward at a huge rate though often many of the new things aren't seem as big of a leap in technology as they are. These also aren't the only areas.

      So there is still a lot of innovation, it's just small challenging items that don't seem as big a deal as they are.

    6. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They turn computers from complicated tools to limited appliances. They care about details and looks over usability, usability over adaptability.

      Oh, a systemd sapper. Turning "complicated tools to limited appliances" that just work makes them easier for more people to use. Probably might also lessen your opportunities for greater income in tier 1 support.

    7. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They turn computers from complicated tools to limited appliances. They care about details and looks over usability, usability over adaptability.

      There's plenty of complicated tools under the hood. I hope you aren't trying to 1-up the MacOS BSD subsystem with DOS...

    8. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What usability is lacking? Seriously, some details here. Tell us what "tools" are now just appliances? Put some detail to the shit coming out of your mouth.

    9. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most inventions are implementing previously existing "technologies" in new ways to produce something with a new capability. From a certain perspective, ALL technologies are modifications of prior abilities. The transistor was just a modification to radio crystals and such.

      A great example is the phonograph. The actual physical components used to create the first phonograph existed hundreds of years prior to Edison's arrangement of them such that they performed the function of recording and playing back sound with the capacity to replicate the recording. Well with the exception of the speed regulator borrowed from steam tech, but regulation could have been performed by a human at the crank without an intermediate spring. So the ability laid latent for centuries until Edison (not some French guy making squiggly lines) invented the phonograph. Edison's indisputable genius was universally recognized in his lifetime. It is only the dimwitted and uninformed people in our time that self stroke themselves by thinking Edison was otherwise.

      Point is, the phonograph could have been invented at the time Columbus sailed to America without any prerequisite tech development. Everything absolutely needed was already in place. But the phonograph was definitely an invention. So just identifying prior tech used in particular arrangement to create new capability does not negate invention. In fact the opposite. ALL invention is application of prior tech.

    10. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in short, neither Apple Computer Co. nor the late Steve Jobs ever invented anything. (despits their brochure claiming that Apple had invented grevity).

    11. Re: Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And patented it most likely

      It seems most of Apple patents are not worth anything due to prior art

    12. Re:Once again by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      What has Apple done lately? Fuck all. Fucked things up. Squeezed their idiot fans harder. Removed the headphone jack.

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    13. Re:Once again by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      "Lately"? They've tried pushing into home entertainment. I don't think it's going to work out, but they are still trying. Steve Jobs is gone, and he was at the helm for all of the other stuff and I can't see into the future - so maybe they are done. But I wouldn't put my money on that.

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    14. Re:Once again by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      By that definition, no one has invented anything. Edison just improved the light bulb. Bell just improved the telephone. Why all this energy spent on semantics? Apple had the first mass-market home computer, the first mass-market GUI, the first mass-market MP3 player, the first mass-market smartphone, the first mass-market tablet. You don't like the term "invented"... OK, let's not use that. It's still a very impressive record of whatever-you-want-to-call it.

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    15. Re:Once again by nasch · · Score: 1

      Some would call that the difference between invention and innovation.

    16. Re:Once again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in short, neither Apple Computer Co. nor the late Steve Jobs ever invented anything. (despits their brochure claiming that Apple had invented grevity).

      Too bad that by your definition nobody else ever did either.

  5. Ups and downs. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    And Microsoft is realizing the same thing. Goods be it phones or OS is subject to too many vagrancies, while services are both higher margin and more consistent. Think of it as betting on the ifs of Vegas, versus the steadiness of bonds.

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    1. Re:Ups and downs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is actually dominating in the hardware market now, their surface is extremely well made and works very well.

    2. Re:Ups and downs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their products may or may not be good, but they are most definitely not dominating the hardware market. Their market share is a few procent at most.

    3. Re:Ups and downs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, thanks for the laugh :-)

      That's the most dishonest shillingest thing I've read today.

  6. Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spent 1000 on a new iPhone that was 7% shinier than the old model. A good deal. On ovation and bravery!

    1. Re: Not true by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      You gain more value than that for your $1000. You also have a new app where you can aim your phone at your head and all your facial gestures are mirrored on it's screen by a cartoon head shaped out of feces.

    2. Re: Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, if he took on debt to buy it, he also supported the Keynesian witchdoctors. So everyone wins!

  7. Not more upfront by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More upfront? That's a bit silly. They also give themselves permission to extract user's data, and arguably use it more broadly than even Google. It's in their privacy policy and various licenses.

  8. Hardware is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Technological progress in semiconductors has slowed down to a crawl. It's a zombie business model, buy junk from China and sell it with your brand at a markup. But we pretty much have no reason to upgrade anymore. Market growth in smart phones and computers has stalled, even declining.
    So, what else can they do? Well, services. Services with monthly payments provide a stream of income, and a big stream if you manage to become the market leader. It takes time to get established though, and there are zero guarantees about success. It's very much random who wins and who loses. So, you leverage EVERYTHING to get subscribers.

    1. Re:Hardware is dead by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Hardware is dead

      I'd like to see you compute without it.

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    2. Re:Hardware is dead by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Technological progress in semiconductors has slowed down to a crawl.

      Not at all. Just because Intel stumbled you think everybody has. But Moore's law just keeps chugging along. AMD pioneered the multi chip module technique, making it a lot cheaper to put many cores into one CPU, giving Moore's law another big boost. EUV is a major hurdle because it changes from refractive to reflective optics, but after the difficult 7nm node, the next two or three nodes will be comparatively easy.

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  9. That figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs was a hard taskmaster, for better or for worse, driving new ideas. Cook is a clerk. A very efficient clerk, but a clerk.

    1. Re: That figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs never had an original idea. He was a stinky hippie that copied other people's work and tried to take credit for it.

  10. http://americanloons.blogspot.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://americanloons.blogspot....

    oh my god (i am not in it)

    1. Re:http://americanloons.blogspot.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  11. opportunities by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 1

    not all times are times of opportunities. This is also not different in sciences or art. after relativity was formulated, a time of consolidation and application followed, the same with many other theories. Our modern time just made us extremely impatient. In all areas, science, art or technology. Look back 20 years and see what happened since. It is enormous. A major breakthrough had been the new smart phone interface paradigms and it was immediately adapted by others. The technology improvement since was incremental which makes it look less dramatic but still milestones. This is similar in physics. Yes, there had not been a major successful revolution for a while similar than general relativity but the progress has been incremental and enormous, we can measure gravitational waves from distant parts of the universe for example. It is human to put achievements down: "Oh, Einstein had been a great inventor when young, later he was not making any progress any more, he was a thud!" Similarly with the title of this slashdot article. One really likes to put achievements down. It makes us (who did not create anything big) feel so much better! There is an other aspect: Apple had to learn the hard way that there is also an art in making innovation to a business success. Your great idea is sometimes immediately (within weeks or months copied almost verbatim: computer or smart phone interfaces for example) or then does not make any impact as it is too far ahead (like the Newton, LISA or NeXT). I have had a NeXT workstation during my school time and it had been a fantastic thing, innovative in many parts, but it did not make money. It was too far ahead. Yes, sometimes you have to build houses, but there are also times, when you have to be a landlord and get the money to feed the folks who built the house! There will be times again for groundbreaking innovations. If we look at the history of technology, sciences or art, major shifts do not happen very often. But this makes them even greater and we should appreciate them more.

  12. the numbers do lie.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even after the fairytail rule was invoked? sure they need help, as they have no hard inclinations of their own in any direction.. cease fire stand down,, there are moms & babys in every town.. some still calling this 'weather'?

  13. Assumes competency almost entirely lacking in AAPL by mangastudent · · Score: 1

    [...] iCloud has been a poor competitor to services provided by Google and some smaller companies such as Dropbox, but that only means Apple can increase revenue from it exponentially if it bothered to compete more aggressively....

    [...]

    The challenge, Bershidsky writes, "is to grow the services offering fast enough to make up for potential iPhone revenue losses....

    All this assumes a level of competence in software and systems, starting from the very top, that Apple has seldom been able to achieve, and is finding it very difficult to do now. You can't wave a magic wand and axiomatically create services people will use, let along pay money for, see Google+ for one of the starkest examples, and that's from a company with a core competency in software and systems.

  14. Not a bad idea by Camembert · · Score: 1

    Let us leave aside the semantics that Apple is mainly an innovator rather than an inventer, as in manically designing something that may functionally already exist, but resulting in a product experience that is *usually* noticeably better and simpler than the existing one.
    I do like the idea of an all-encompassing simple subscription for all kinds of entertainment incl. books, a cloud service and some kind of extended warranty. No hassle. I can well imagine google, netflix etc eventually also offering such.

  15. Linus was blackmailed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free Software world hero Linus Torvalds was forced to resign from the Linux kernel project by blackmail. He fell for a honeytrap and was threatened with a #MeToo purge if he didn't resign. It's a corporate power grab, using "Social Just-Us" as a tool.

  16. Apple has no new market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be honest Apple is using smoke and mirrors to keep investors these days. All of their products have either reached peak growth or have long since lost any real growth. Their recent products prove they have nothing left to inspire and in fact why did the new Macbook Air or Mac Mini take so long to do? There is nothing about them that is a engineering marvel. They are refreshes that should have been done years ago. This is not the revolutionary company of Steve Jobs.

    1. Re:Apple has no new market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but the smoke and mirrors is not intentional. It's just how they think things are supposed to work. Like the car salesman who isn't in the parking lot greeting customers and handling test drives, but instead is sending out email blasts and making phone calls. That guy is never going to sell anything to anybody. Nobody reads those emails or answers those calls. When they need a car they show up in the lot and ask to drive one. It's a stretch of an analogy but it's exactly Apple's problem.

    2. Re:Apple has no new market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Steve Jobs knew this: that any company that reaches market dominance has such a completely different set of business...adversaries...that it is almost inevitable that the company will change completely if it is to survive. The corporate entity that develops while fighting for market share can not survive once it controls that market. This isn't helped by Tim Cook's knowing straw-grabbing pension funds everywhere have loaded up on AAPL (at what might very well turn out to be its top) by telling themselves it will never go down. Cook does have cognition, after all. Probably not much sleep though.

    3. Re:Apple has no new market by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      Be honest Apple is using smoke and mirrors to keep investors these days. All of their products have either reached peak growth or have long since lost any real growth. Their recent products prove they have nothing left to inspire and in fact why did the new Macbook Air or Mac Mini take so long to do? There is nothing about them that is a engineering marvel. They are refreshes that should have been done years ago. This is not the revolutionary company of Steve Jobs.

      You call THIS "Smoke and Mirrors"?

      You call THIS "Not an Engineering Marvel"?

      https://www.macrumors.com/2018...

      Ohhh Kayyyyyy

      Keep deluding yourself, Slashtard Hater.

    4. Re:Apple has no new market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple has a long history of lying, cheating and stealing.

      Keep try to spread bullshit about apple while you are a Hater for everyone else.

    5. Re:Apple has no new market by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      apple has a long history of lying, cheating and stealing.

      Keep try to spread bullshit about apple while you are a Hater for everyone else.

      What bullshit was I spreading?

      I simply linked to an article about how incredibly fast the new iPad Pro is.

      Show me the bullshit, or STFU, COWARD!!!

    6. Re:Apple has no new market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the same thing as last year in a smaller case?!

      Engineering marvels are Surface Pro's. A desktop class processor, running a desktop OS in a tablet form factor.

      When the iPad pro can run anything more then a 'full' version of Photoshop (and that is still questionable) you let us know.

      The masses are not running around touting the iPad Pro as a replacement for a real real laptop. This is a niche product and may stay that way.

         

  17. Re: What did Apple invent? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    Apple enhances and adds branding value. They are like the guy who sees a Chevy and adds a new badge and trim to it and sells the public a Buick. Apple definitely sells a Buick-class product.

  18. Need Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tim Cook is the new Ballmer he hasnâ(TM)t brought anything to the table just a long list of underwhelming products

    1. Re:Need Steve Jobs by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Tim Cook is the new Ballmer he hasnâ(TM)t brought anything to the table just a long list of underwhelming products

      Underwhelming Products?

      https://www.macrumors.com/2018...

    2. Re:Need Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly thank you
      This looks totally underwhelming. And overpriced.

  19. Clickbait by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This seems like nonsense to me. Apple's success has never been due to being an "inventor", and they're not currently "rent seeking". Apple is, and has been, primarily a hardware company. They sell Macs, iPads, iPhones, iPods, watches, and accessories. They sell a lot of them because they have a reputation (whether you think it's earned or not) for making high quality and widely supported products that are easy to use. That's still the case, and Apple is showing no sign of moving away from that.

    Are their products inventive? I can see both sides of the debate. Most of their stuff is based off of some technology someone else invented, but on some level you could say that about all technology products. However, MP3 players weren't very popular before iPods. Smart phones weren't relatively unpopular before the iPhone. Tablets weren't selling much until the iPad. Smart phones didn't generally include virtual assistants until Apple introduced Siri. Not many people were wearing smart watches before the Apple Watch. In each case, the product class existed before Apple entered the market, but Apple seemed to introduce the first product in the class that people really wanted, and then a ton of imitating products followed.

    None of those products were invented by Apple, but Apple still creates fairly innovative designs that have changed the way people use technology.

    1. Re:Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think so. Apple is free to be innovative or inventive or whatever they want no matter what people say. If you believe it is a rebrand of existing technology then you are free to believe that nonsense in the comfort of your parents basement.

    2. Re:Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bring common sense into the situation. We need to get the haters something to pull their dicks about.

      Slashdot learned long ago; Orwell's Two Minute Hate is a real sensation. Around here it's about Apple, politics and religion.

    3. Re:Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      they're not currently "rent seeking"

      But Apple wants to be because as anybody can see, I-phone is nearly mined out.

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    4. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About $9B in profit last quarter alone, but its mined out? Ok.

    5. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The price of the ore may have gone up but they're at the end of the seam. Means the goldmine's days are numbered.

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    6. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Numbered like they were in 2014, when you said this?

      "Those days when Apple only sells 12 or 13 million handsets a quarter are on their way back, isn't that great? See, Tim Cook may wear the black turtleneck but he doesn't fill the shoes."

      LOL. Good one.

    7. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I have a biographer, sweet. "Tim Cook may wear the black turtleneck but he doesn't fill the shoes", write that one in your book of notable quotes. Catchy, isn't it.

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    8. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Now about the numbers. The total market is about 1.5 billion handsets/year, that makes sense given that the world's population is a bit over 7 billion, maybe 4.5 billion of those being the right age and income to own a phone and replace it every three years or so. Apple is currently sitting around 13% of the handset market, its chunk of the pie having narrowed considerably over the last few years. Heading to 9% in my opinion. So let's do the math: 1.5 * .09 = .135, that's about 13.5 million. Those days when Apple only sells 12 or 13 million handsets a quarter really are on the way back, thanks for pointing out my early call on it.

      And it can get worse, way worse. For one thing, handsets are lasting longer, soon the average lifetime will be at least 4 years and it will be mostly Apple getting hit by that because it will disproportionately affect the high end. China market is expanding, but Apple isn't doing well there for various reasons, including that the government would far prefer its citizens to own domestic Android phones. India is expanding phenomenally, but Apple is nearly exterminated there, less than 1%. Next big growth markets are Pakistan, Indonesia, Africa. Obvious problems for Apple there. Yes, there is some life left in the handset market but Apple doesn't get to play. It is obvious why unit sales numbers are too ugly to Tim Cook to speak, going forward.

      The only number you can really argue about above is the 9%, is that really where Apple is going? I think so, that's what the thousand dollar price tag does.

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    9. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, Apple sold 47 million phones last quarter.

    10. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Uh, Apple sold 47 million phones last quarter.

      So? Take 1.5 billion worldwide handset sales, that is 375 million per quarter, Apple sold 12.5% of those. Probably. You can whine about it, but that is the share I-phone has today. Analysts expect it to go lower, the holiday season may well be the first of a string of outright reversals, not just stagnation.

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    11. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoeHeading to 9% in my opinion. So let's do the math: 1.5 * .09 = .135, that's about 13.5 million. â

      Thatâ(TM)s 135 million, annually. Far from the 12-13 million per quarter you predicted in 2014, and then doubled down on.

    12. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Everybody knows that Apple's unit sales are dwindling, even you. That's because Apple chose to prop up its revenue numbers by jacking up I-phone prices. So unit sales are going down. The only question is, how much, how fast.

      What's your guess? :-)

      And thanks for digging out my old posts, shows you have respect, or too much time on your hands or both. At that time you Apple cultists were in total denial about Android moving to completely dominate I-phone, I called that. Now I'm calling a unit sales tailspin for I-phone.

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    13. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everybody knows that Apple's unit sales are dwindling"

      Nope. Q4 sales were basically the same as last year, which were basically the same as the year before.

      "That's because Apple chose to prop up its revenue numbers by jacking up I-phone prices."

      Nope. Revenue is (way) up because they introduced a new higher-level flagship (X/XS), which has been a huge success.

      " So unit sales are going down. The only question is, how much, how fast."

      Nope. Does not follow.

      "At that time you Apple cultists were in total denial about Android moving to completely dominate I-phone, I called that. Now I'm calling a unit sales tailspin for I-phone."

      Nope, you called a return to 12-13 million units per quarter, which hasn't happened in 4.5 years... and isn't going to happen any time soon.

    14. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So at least you admit that I-phone sales are stagnant. And everybody except you know which direction they are headed because of downward guidance for 19Q1 guidance. Dwindle.

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    15. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Q1 2019 guidance is for Appleâ(TM)s highest quarterly revenue ever.

    16. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You appear to be unaware of what the term "downward guidance" means. Let me help you: it was of the things that lead to AAPL's 7% haircut afterhours Friday.

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    17. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Q1 2019 guidance is for Appleâ(TM)s highest quarterly revenue ever.

      And this year is the highest numbered year ever! Meanwhile, back to reality, Apple guided Q1 revenue up only 3% (below expectations) while average selling price is up 28% (more than expected) which implies unit sales down 20% (heart attack.) No wonder Cook hopes to hide the numbers! But the analysts will deduce this fact regardless and it won't be pretty.

      See, honesty is always the best policy, something that no AAPL employee will ever understand.

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    18. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Apple guided Q1 revenue up only 3% (below expectations) while average selling price is up 28% (more than expected) which implies unit sales down 20% (heart attack.)"

      Nope. You're mixing numbers from different quarters, or maybe just inventing them. The big ASP jump occurred in 2018Q1, the first quarter of the iPhone X. No way it will be up anywhere near 28% YoY in 2019Q1. It may actually be down.

    19. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. That was guidance slightly below analysts' expectations, which is not the same thing.

    20. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Let me help you: "below" and "down" are the same direction.

      Oh wait, black is white in the mind of an AAPL cultist.

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    21. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Good point. So, guidance puts 2018 revenue up 15% over 2017 while average selling price increased by more than 20%. So unit sales are obviously down by at least 5%. Probably worse because service revenues are supposedly increasing. Still ugly.

      AAPL twisting and turning to hide its defecting customers.

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    22. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fy2018 is over. Do try to keep up.

    23. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Did I say fy? No you did. So for _actual year_ 2018, AAPL's published numbers say that unit sales for _actual year_ 2018 will be down 5%. That's ugly. Going to be impossible for AAPL to conceal it.

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    24. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Your words:
      "And everybody except you know which direction they are headed because of downward guidance for 19Q1 guidance."

    25. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Since when does Q mean FY?

      Senility setting in.

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    26. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "19Q1 guidance" is for the first quarter of the 2019 _fiscal_ year.

    27. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I said nothing about a fiscal year, you did. You're niggling yourself into a lather, maybe wipe off the drool before it gets in your keyboard and makes it work worse than AAPL keyboards already do.

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    28. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk about fiscal quarters in one post, and then switch to calendar years in the follow up? Confusing.
      No wonder you make so many mistakes.

      " So, guidance puts 2018 revenue up 15% over 2017 while average selling price increased by more than 20%. So unit sales are obviously down by at least 5%."

      Nope. ASP will not increase 20% YoY in fy2019q1. Already explained why. Do try to keep up.

      "AAPL's published numbers say that unit sales for _actual year_ 2018 will be down 5%"

      Nope. iPhone unit sales are slightly up YoY for fy2018Q2-Q4. A 5% drop in unit sales for the calendar year would require a huge drop in unit sales in fy2019Q1 (nearly 13M YoY) . fy2019Q1 guidance is for a small increase in overall revenue.

    29. Re: Clickbait by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I understand that units of time confuse you.

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  20. Time to start selling macOS by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    For all these reasons, the fact that profits from services will soon be/already are exceeding profits from hardware sales, they should start selling macOS as a stand-alone OS for regular PCs. Simply give a list of supported CPUs/GPUs/chipsets.

    That way, it means more people using macOS, more people subscribing to Apple services, more people buying other Apple devices (phones, tablets, watches, set-top boxes, etc).

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    1. Re:Time to start selling macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't like being ordinary is the problem.

    2. Re:Time to start selling macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. They forgot that even though Apple has a larger than life brand, people use their products for very ordinary things. Who would buy an iphone that doesn't send text messages or make calls? They aren't buying iphones for the long press to tap feature or wireless earbuds or icloud.

    3. Re:Time to start selling macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good idea, except then Apple becomes Microsoft.

    4. Re:Time to start selling macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple wants service lock-in, so in some ways I can see MacOS on generic hardware would allow for more service lock-in from a larger group of people buying into the system. The lack of hardware control may cause Apple problems, but they could license with specific hardware specs to at least allow for consistent performance.

      But is Apple also trying to converge MacOS and iOS? If they give on on MacOS, the idea of licensing it may not work.

            TOM...

  21. sad new world by ToasterTester · · Score: 1

    This is the new era business model, they don't want people to own anything, but to subscribe to everything they can. Actually it started a long time ago with computer software and the licenses changed so you weren't buying the software you were leasing it. Now music, movies, books, magazines, TV, radio, cars and other goods, they want a guaranteed monthly payment. I've read where grocery stores are looking into a model like this where you pay for base monthly food, then buy extras. Your quality of life will be based on how much a month your can afford and you own nothing physical if life changes your finances. Everyone will be a pawn of the mega corporations.

    1. Re:sad new world by grumling · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair there are relatively few films that are watched more than once or twice, and I'll bet the same holds true for books and almost certainly news stories. Having a large library is more of an interior design aesthetic than a valuable asset for most of us, and a liability when it comes time to downsize.

      Qualifiers abound of course. And for whatever reason music seems to be an exception, probably because it lights up nostalgia pathways.

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    2. Re:sad new world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a Mr. Gates if memory serves. Believe he started the business of legitimizing the user having to agree to a EULA without first being able to read it. Also to being allowed to completely change said EULA without negating said agreement.

  22. Re: What did Apple invent? by sarren1901 · · Score: 2

    It's all in perceived value. I would never spend $40k on a car vs $20k on a car. The $40k car is never going to offer double the value of the $20k car for me. I suppose maybe if the $40k did all the driving while the $20k couldn't, then it would have real value.

    Apple is the same thing. I can build my own computer for $1k (I've never spent that much on a system, EVER, by the way) or I could go buy from Apple and spend closer to $2k.

    Regarding phone technology, I kind of laugh. It wasn't so long ago that Apple added wireless charging to their phone. I've had wireless charging on my last three phones and would never consider buying a phone that didn't have the functionality.

    Very few premium products are worth the offer compared to a mid level option that's done just as well. Premium products are more social signaling.

  23. Re:What did Apple invent? by hey! · · Score: 1

    Why is this moderated flamebait? It's a legitimate question.

    Design isn't invention; that doesn't mean it isn't valuable, or can't be innovative.

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  24. $360 a year for nothing useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    good thing those bankers are not in the electronics business, good lord they are morons.

  25. First rule of running a successful business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't let a bank tell you how to run your business: "Goldman's proposal for Apple is to create a services bundle similar to Amazon Prime"

    And don't let your shareholders or their analysts do it either. Better if you can avoid needing shareholders altogether as they are generally a short-sighted and ill-informed lot (but I make a lot of money off of their stupidity).

  26. Valve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you mean Valve? I am pretty sure you meant Valve.

  27. Re: What did Apple invent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had to look up Buick. It's apparently a brand of cars only Americans and Chinese are willing to buy. That says a lot about Apple's products.

  28. Bigger problem: we invent nothing new by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    Since 2007, as a species we have been playing with slightly improved versions of stuff invented in the 1970s. Our actual innovation has stagnated, and the result is that we are more focused on entertainment products than anything with long-term potential. Signs of the decline.

  29. What is Winter Sunlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.

  30. If you want to play in the garden, by nastyphil · · Score: 1

    You have to payyyyyyy.

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    1. Re:If you want to play in the garden, by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      And you have to be that kind of person.

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  31. Apple's model by grumling · · Score: 1

    Apple is trying to keep their customer relationship to itself. The other FAANGs are happy to bring third parties into the business/customer relationship (ie advertisers and resellers) because it is a way to get quick growth and allows for singular focus. I also think that the current CEO probably puts a very high premium on privacy for some very personal reasons, and that alone is a good reason to consider paying Apple instead of going the free route.

    Everyone here knows the saying "if you aren't paying for the product, you are the product," which becomes more relevant every day. Advertising tech continues to intrude into our personal lives in an attempt to figure out what we want (ironically many of us just want to be left alone). And the ad buyers want to know that their ads are reaching the intended audience so even more intrusive technology is introduced to provide feedback. Of course if these companies were a little more transparent in disclosing the intrusions perhaps we'd be less paranoid about its use. And once you allow someone to interrupt, the experience is changed forever and beyond your control, much like watching a movie on USA network vs in the theater vs on Netflix.

    Apple puts money into customer service (even if you think they don't do a good job, the Apple store experience is still far superior to the old guard electronics stores, especially when there's a device failure). Google doesn't even have any customer facing email address (even if you're an advertiser or use adsense in your content). They depend entirely on third parties/partners like wireless carriers and department stores for providing the "customer experience," which is a mixed bag at best. This is of course the same model Microsoft used forever, and even though their reputation has improved in recent years you don't call them for tech support unless you're a fortune 100 company.

    So for now I'm willing to pay Apple a subscription fee in exchange for product support and ad-free content. When (not if, because it's still Silicon Valley and growth is everything) they start charging me a monthly fee and inserting advertising (and the related intrusive tech), I'll look elsewhere. And if Mr Cook's replacement doesn't care about privacy then for sure I'll be going back to Linux and doing my own product support.

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  32. Dropping the hammer on the Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe Apple is preparing the world for when it drops the hammer on the Mac*. To prevent bad press about how many people have migrated to the remaining platform, it's going to stop reporting unit sales now. Apple doesn't directly benefit from having unit sales figures publicly known, but it benefits the company indirectly. A healthy Apple ecosystem relies on third party support; and investment by third parties relies on being able to accurately predict the size of the market available to them.

    Yes, Apple is moving strongly in the direction of luxury, too. It's not even a bad joke to talk about devices "for the rest of us". It's very disappointing that the last bastion for any semblance of privacy and security in the computing world is making it too expensive for the average consumer.

    *All of the new Mac hardware introduced in the past year is locked down by the T2 chip. Apple no longer provides even registered developers with access to installers for any version of macOS older than Mojave (the latest version). The latest iPad Pros benchmark nearly as fast as the fastest 2018 MacBook Pros. Intel is still struggling to begin manufacturing at 10nm, while Apple is shipping millions of devices that use a 7nm process. Rumors are that Apple will migrate to ARM-based Macs in 2020.

  33. Goldman Sachs on the economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that like asking Jeffrey Dahmer how to stock your pantry? I mean, why do we keep going back to these old crooks like they're a bunch of sages or something?

  34. Honesty? Are You High? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honesty? They are exactly as dishonest as Facebook. They absolutely sell their customers to make advertising revenue ON TOP OF the rent they are extorting.

    But, don't take this as some anti-Apple rant. This is an anti-tech-renting-ad selling rant. Microsoft is as guilty or more so. Windows 10 is an ad delivery platform that they are shifting to a rental model to match Office 365 with "new improved" Microsoft 365, the whole ecosystem in on "low" monthly payment for perpetuity.

    Remember when we use to complain about proprietary file formats trapping users data? Now, it's not just the file format, it's everything. The OS, The applications, the hardware platform, the content(entertainment media) ALL of it rented.

    You don't own a fucking thing, you just keep paying and paying and paying. What a wonderful world.

  35. Payment psychology and Sports clothing by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Over my life I've noticed that every sports specialty store gravitates from selling cool hardware to having most of its retail space filled with clothing. The same pattern has been replicated in the internet age too. Geek gear stores grow, expand into new products but the mature end-state is the clothing store.

    The reason I think is the product of repeat-sales* volume * margins / up-front-inventory cost is the highest on clothing so once you discover how to include clothing in your store it just takes over like cancer.

    Look at REI as great example.

    iphones ate apple. And services will eat iphones.

    But of course the reason you go to the store and not another clothing store is specialty items that are now set decorations. REI was originally formed to import specialty hardware not made in the USA at cheaper prices than individuals could get it. It still has all the drool worthy gear and expert displays but the prices are barely competitive and when you check out most of the most of the bill is for the clothing you happened to see while you were drooling over the brass candle lantern or the ultra light titanium coke spoon.

    So the thing that's truly amazing about an Apple retail store is that it's still all about the hardware. Kinda amazing they do that. it shows you where there heart is and what their connection to the consumer is. Amazon and apple can both sell you music but, for some people at least, the lure is deep love of the fit and finish of the apple crafted gadgets.

    So You will know that apple has lost the thread when it starts making most of it's money selling threads. For now, that's not the case.

    Now when it comes to payments, pyschology is really important. There's two ways of looking at this that I think matter a lot in intent. One intent is to lure people to pay over time so they don't notice how expensive something is. The flip side of that intent is to allow them to get something now rather than save for it. Saving has the hazard that any accumulation of money becomes a temptation rather than a planned use later. So getting people into a home or a car now gets them something that is less of a waste of money and something they need. conversely 15 easy payments for the latest ginzu knife or thigh-master is just a trick.

    For me, I buy ski passes rather than ski tickets. the goal is not to save money it's to not worry about money and enjoy the skiiing. When I have a pass I don't have to ski 9 to 4 to "get my money's worth". I ski 9 to 12 till the powder is all used up then I go home and leave the hard pack for the ticket buyers to suffer on to get their day's money's worth. I probably ski fewer hours in total when I'm buying passes but I sure as heck enjoy it more. The same is true with health insurance. I found that when I had high co-pays and high-deductibles that sometimes I put off seeing the doctor when I knew that was a risk. SO I now buy higher priced plans that lower those. Economically I pay more than if I tuffed out the deductibles.. But psychologically I'm motivated by by health needs not by my marginal costs.

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  36. Inventors vs pioneers vs settlers by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's an expression that says Pioneers get the arrows, settlers get the land. But there's a third layer to this. For there to be Pioneers first there had to be some new invention that let people press farther into unknown regions than they had before.

    Apple is both a pioneer and a settler. Their inventive side is less to do with the techical invention but the invention of a use for it.

    while people will quibble here's a list of things that apple didn't invent but did arguably pioneer and settle the us of.

    Dynamic memory over static memory.
    Memory mapped graphics over fixed graphics cards (ironically, in the age of NVIDIA we have reverse this, but it was what let us switch from kludged dumb terminal fixed width text to real graphics in games and fonts.)
    software replacing hardware (e.g. soft sectored floppy's, fonts over character generators, software serial over UAARTS, )
    small connectors and universal use of Serial ports over parallel ports and single use ports. (apple desktop bus for example)
    Postscript printers. (first major adoption was apple).
    The mouse and WYSIWIG. (doug englebart showed us this in the mother of all demos).

    and so on.

    By the way if you have never watched Englebarts Mother of all Demos it's a mind blowing experience. His team basically invented everything computers did for the next 40 years. Only recently have we gone beyond polishing the patterns his team laid out.

    But it was apple that pioneered to use cases that Englbart and then Parc never did. Then they settled the land by selling integrated soltuions for those use cases at the right price that individuals could buy them/

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  37. microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until recently microsoft was the end-game settler of the personal and business machine landscape. They never occupied the inventor/pioneer niche that Apple did. Now it's google and apple.

  38. The mother of all Demos by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    in 1968, The 90-minute presentation essentially demonstrated almost all the fundamental elements of modern personal computing: windows, hypertext, graphics, efficient navigation and command input, video conferencing, the computer mouse, word processing, dynamic file linking, revision control, and a collaborative real-time editor (collaborative work). it featured video conference, picture-in-a-picture, an early form of windowing, electret head set microphones, the GUI. Engelbart's presentation was the first to publicly demonstrate all of these elements in a single system

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  39. Oh Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's such a load of rubbish. Factually over the decades apple computers have historically had almost twice the longevity in bussiness use than PCs. When it comes to phones, anytime there is explosive growth in technology, a rapid replacement cycle manifests. Phones have the natural problem of 1) getting dropped, 2) batteries wearing out and 3) difficulty upgrading software. Apple actually solved the latter one but by the time your batteries wear out, phones have imporved so much that the newer phones had batteries that lasted longer anyhow. It's only been in the last few years that phones peaked enough that the replacement cycle has lengthened. Were actually starting to see declines in battery life in new models over older models. The point here is that phones that all phones whether they had replacable batteries or not we virtual antiques with in 2 years during the first decades of this millenium. It's not planned obscelecence. It's why would you pay more to get a phone that lasts longer than you'll want it.

    1. Re:Oh Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Louis Rossmann begs to disagree: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkVbIsAWN2lt0BofwC-Tzge89fxTC-ZfU

      It is all the things you discussed, AND planned obsolescence.

  40. IMHO the new Microsoft by ReneR · · Score: 1

    need to look out for invocation elsewhere, guess a good time to start an IT startup ;-)

  41. landlord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has less to do with inventing and to do with market saturation. When apple started everything was new. Every feature and function was an "invention". Now smart phones are commodities and you can a smart phone at every corner store and gas station. For many years people went with apple for itunes, Now "free" or near free music is everywhere. Every phone has a camera or two. There is nothing special about a new iphone and its more marketing hype than any real change. Sorry apple disciples there is just little difference in this years iphone vs last years iphone or most any similar tiered android phone..

    You can only con so many people out of $1000 a year for a new phone so you need to market services.

     

  42. apple a landlord??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more like a slumlord.

  43. the Bershidsky dossier by epine · · Score: 0

    None of the links in the summary go to the article authored by Bershidsky. Instead, it doubles down on putting lipstick on a pig.

    Here's the Bershidsky link:

    Apple Used to Be an Inventor. Now It's Mainly a Landlord.

    Now I have three entries for Bershidsky in my idiots file:

    "Rent extraction from a user base that finds it hard to go away may sound a bit like extortion," Leonid Bershidsky writes in closing. "But it's more honest and upfront than extracting data from users in ways they often don't understand and then making money off the data, as Facebook does.

    Good grief, the average user understands practically nothing of the business model of either company. And Apple changes the design or the usability or the usage terms of what you already possess with basically no warning or explanation all the damn time.

    I can hardly think of any company more opposed to the smallest glimmer of visibility into their future intentions than Apple.

    Here's the second paragraph on B. from my idiots file:

    The U.S. Intelligence Ship Is Too Leaky To Sail — 25 May 2017

    Manning spent seven years in prison (though she'd been sentenced to 35), but Snowden, Assange, Petraeus, the unknown Chinese mole, the people who stole the hacking tools and the army of recent anonymous leakers, many of whom probably still work for U.S. intelligence agencies, have escaped any kind of meaningful punishment.

    Meaningful to whom?

    Assange must follow new Ecuador embassy rules, says judge — 29 October 2018

    A judge in Ecuador has ruled against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, rejecting his request to loosen new requirements that he says are meant to push him into leaving his asylum in the country's embassy in London. ... Relations between Assange and Ecuador have grown increasingly prickly as the years have dragged on, with no resolution in sight.

    Every young boy dreams of someday becoming an unwanted house guest in a foreign embassy with ten times more power over your daily conditions that a regular landlord or your 1 of 7 step mother.

    Cooped up in near solitary confinement, and now he even has to pay for his own porn feed. The brilliant Bershidsky wants to file that under a mild downside.

    And here's strike three:

    Trump's Business Record in Russia Is Humiliating — 29 August 2017

    Trump never had what it took to be a player in Russia — not when it was a land of limitless opportunity as it began its flirtation with capitalism, and not today. This may not be comforting to Americans. To have a leader incapable of negotiating with Russians is probably worse than having a president with business ties to the Kremlin-connected elite.

    s/Kremlin-connected elite/Russian mafia/

    Turns out, door #2 has a second name.

  44. Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple never invented anything. They just copy other people's work.

  45. An Inventor? Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own a bunch of apple stuff but don't consider them an inventor.
    They take technology that already exists and refine it in their own way as far as I can tell.

    Who writes these titles?

  46. Another crap Apple article by locater16 · · Score: 1

    These pop on /. every week. They never say anything new.
    Airpods have been copied to death. The Apple Watch is the most successful smart watch out there. Solid seeming rumors point to Apple researching foldable phones, air gesture controls, and AR glasses. But none of these are ever mentioned in these useless articles. All they ever do is bemoan how things "used to be better" under Steve Jobs. At this point any points about what Jobs did better have been made a dozen times over. But no, we need to see this same damned article every week till the end of time.

    1. Re:Another crap Apple article by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Apple watch dropped from 35% to 30% market share year over year, to hold a minority share of a market it once owned, while Fitbit Shipments grew 348%.

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    2. Re:Another crap Apple article by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      These pop on /. every week. They never say anything new.

      Airpods have been copied to death. The Apple Watch is the most successful smart watch out there. Solid seeming rumors point to Apple researching foldable phones, air gesture controls, and AR glasses.
      But none of these are ever mentioned in these useless articles. All they ever do is bemoan how things "used to be better" under Steve Jobs. At this point any points about what Jobs did better have been made a dozen times over. But no, we need to see this same damned article every week till the end of time.

      MOD PARENT UP!!!

    3. Re:Another crap Apple article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!

  47. How to be innovative by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    1. Hire only the best staff. On merit who can do the work they got hired for without needing extra support in the company for years.
    2. Have designers in a company who can work on new products that are "new".
    3. Have engineers hired on merit who can do the advanced work and testing.
    4. Ensure the new products work and make a profit.
    5. Test the products to make sure they work in the real world under real conditions.
    6. Have testing done and fix problems well before paying consumers find and report the same problems.
    7. Always have staff learning new skills and hire new staff on merit to bring in new skills.
    Any average company can create a product for existing market conditions. A few brands can take exisiting tech and bring in new advanced features.
    A few of the very best brands every generation can create a new market that never existed.
    Hire the best staff to ensure a brand can make its own new markets every generation that define the use of tech for that generation.

    Its all in having the best staff and best workers. Find the best and support them. People who arrive on time. Who work hard. Who understand new problems and can work on new projects.

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    1. Re:How to be innovative by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It was a parody post, right? This is the Apple that can't even make a wireless charger.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    2. Re:How to be innovative by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

      1. Hire only the best staff. On merit who can do the work they got hired for without needing extra support in the company for years.

      2. Have designers in a company who can work on new products that are "new".

      3. Have engineers hired on merit who can do the advanced work and testing.

      4. Ensure the new products work and make a profit.

      5. Test the products to make sure they work in the real world under real conditions.

      6. Have testing done and fix problems well before paying consumers find and report the same problems.

      7. Always have staff learning new skills and hire new staff on merit to bring in new skills.

      Any average company can create a product for existing market conditions. A few brands can take exisiting tech and bring in new advanced features.
          A few of the very best brands every generation can create a new market that never existed.

      Hire the best staff to ensure a brand can make its own new markets every generation that define the use of tech for that generation.

      Its all in having the best staff and best workers. Find the best and support them. People who arrive on time. Who work hard. Who understand new problems and can work on new projects.

      Wow! Sounds like an accurate description of Apple's policies and practices!

    3. Re:How to be innovative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow!! Sounds like you are one of apple "special little people"

    4. Re:How to be innovative by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Wow!! Sounds like you are one of apple "special little people"

      And it sounds like you are one of Slashdot's Anonymous little COWARDS.

      Log in and fight like a man, or STFU!

  48. Each Apple cultist gets a chip implant by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Each Apple cultist gets a chip implant for the purpose of transferring funds directly from their employer or family to Apple at scheduled times, such as shortly before Apple reporting dates or whatever other times Apple deems to be appropriate, in amounts to be determined by Apple based on sophisticated AI algorithms that take into account the cultist's conditions of employment and those of their immediate family. This is the Apple I-chip.

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  49. And you are their land by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's it. They see you as their property.

  50. Re:Assumes competency almost entirely lacking in A by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    You can't wave a magic wand and axiomatically create services people will use, let along pay money for, see Google+ for one of the starkest examples

    Exactly the example I was thinking of. Rather an amazing pratfall. The issue: Google has no idea what actually motivates people socially because the founders are, let's call it, a couple of social misfits. Apple can trump that, it's a whole company full of social misfits.

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  51. Microsoft and Google are the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft already runs Office as a service, and is planning to run Windows as a service. They want to earn money from the Microsoft Store as well. Google is the same via Android.

  52. Hahahahahahaha, someone called Them honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're literally the only company that has literally called their users fucking morons for believing their ads

    1. Re:Hahahahahahaha, someone called Them honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is the only time apple has ever been honest.

  53. Re: Homework for you by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Here's some homework for you. Read about how China's domestic Android manufacturers are busy sucking the remaining life out of the I-phone market in China.

    India's I-phone story is even sadder. The two biggest populations in the world. Then what? Pakistan, another huge one. No growth there for I-phone. Same is true of just about every rapidly growing economy.

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  54. What else to expect from a bean-counter? by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

    Even though he was a royal arsehole, few would dispute that Steve Jobs was a visionary. Tim Cook, by contrast, is a by-the-book numbers guy. He is as exciting and inspiring as a smelly gym sock. Even a village idiot could've foreseen the path Apple would take with such a figure at the helm. Is anyone really surprised?

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