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Tim Berners-Lee Launches Campaign To Save the Web From Abuse (theguardian.com)
Tim Berners-Lee has launched a global campaign to save the web from the destructive effects of abuse and discrimination, political manipulation, and other threats that plague the online world. A report adds: In a talk at the opening of the Web Summit in Lisbon on Monday, the inventor of the web called on governments, companies and individuals to back a new "Contract for the Web" that aims to protect people's rights and freedoms on the internet. The contract outlines central principles that will be built into a full contract and published in May 2019, when half of the world's population will be able to get online. More than 50 organisations have already signed the contract, which is published by Berners-Lee's World Wide Web Foundation alongside a report that calls for urgent action.
"For many years there was a feeling that the wonderful things on the web were going to dominate and we'd have a world with less conflict, more understanding, more and better science, and good democracy," Berners-Lee told the Guardian. "But people have become disillusioned because of all the things they see in the headlines. Humanity connected by technology on the web is functioning in a dystopian way. We have online abuse, prejudice, bias, polarisation, fake news, there are lots of ways in which it is broken. This is a contract to make the web one which serves humanity, science, knowledge and democracy." Under the principles laid out in the document, which Berners-Lee calls a "Magna Carta for the web", governments must ensure that its citizens have access to all of the internet, all of the time, and that their privacy is respected so they can be online "freely, safely and without fear." Berners-Lee, added, "We're at a 50/50 moment for the web. We've created something amazing together, but half the world is still not online, and our online rights and freedoms are at risk. The web has done so much for us, but now we need to stand up #ForTheWeb." You can watch his talk here (skip the first 10 minutes).
"For many years there was a feeling that the wonderful things on the web were going to dominate and we'd have a world with less conflict, more understanding, more and better science, and good democracy," Berners-Lee told the Guardian. "But people have become disillusioned because of all the things they see in the headlines. Humanity connected by technology on the web is functioning in a dystopian way. We have online abuse, prejudice, bias, polarisation, fake news, there are lots of ways in which it is broken. This is a contract to make the web one which serves humanity, science, knowledge and democracy." Under the principles laid out in the document, which Berners-Lee calls a "Magna Carta for the web", governments must ensure that its citizens have access to all of the internet, all of the time, and that their privacy is respected so they can be online "freely, safely and without fear." Berners-Lee, added, "We're at a 50/50 moment for the web. We've created something amazing together, but half the world is still not online, and our online rights and freedoms are at risk. The web has done so much for us, but now we need to stand up #ForTheWeb." You can watch his talk here (skip the first 10 minutes).
didn't he go to pimp school?
If you want to make the web great again, just stop allowing humans to use it. Simple.
My first wish is for you to get back in that bottle. My second is for you to stay there.
Doesn't matter what the third one is - it's as likely to come true as the others.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Computers are amplifiers of humanity, be the manifestation stupidity, racism, abuse, meanness, kindness, charity, good-heartedness, etc. You name it. The problem isn't the internet, the problem is certain types of people. PEOPLE use the internet. Berners-Lee means well and that is a good start, but he is hacking at the branches of a tree that we would all like to cut down. The quotes sound like is equating fixing the internet with fixing people. Not gonna happen that way.
Too many different points of view. We should all obey our corporate masters who are the new moral authority.
Unless you are a billionaire you shouldn't be able to voice an opinion.
Fuck Tim Berners-Lee and fuck the Web.
Oh you sweet naive man, do you also believe in rainbow shitting unicorns and santa claus?
what a waste of time
I smell a global-scale Code of Conduct in the works. Fuck that shit. I like the Internet the way it is.
governments must ensure that its citizens have access to all of the internet, all of the time, and that their privacy is respected so they can be online "freely, safely and without fear."
Fuck off, prick. Being online freely, safely, and without fear means being able to say whatever you want. Controlling speech, whether by government or private business, is diametrically opposed to the ability to use the Internet freely and without fear. There is no room for compromise when it comes to freedom. It's either free or it's not.
You really can't have both. Don't believe me? Consider how easily some are offended. You have a choice of not trying to offend anyone, a fools errand, or pushing ahead and offending someone. It all sounds good to 'not be a jerk' but how do topics like illegal immigration get honestly discussed in a PC way. That's the trouble with PC efforts, they ignore or try and re-label reality and reality doesn't bend. If an immigrant is here illegally then they are by definition an illegal immigrant. The euphemism of undocumented immigrant is not helpful and just muddies the water. Is stealing theft or merely an undocumented purchase? I'm a fan of not being a jerk but I'm also a fan of honest discussion and not simply seeking to deplatform those you disagree with.
Step 2: Internet proceed as usual
You may act like you're here to save the day Tim, but intelligent people know better. Keep your personal political bullshit out of it and go find a new hobby.
...that horse has left the barn a loooonnnnnggggg time ago..
See subject: Stop $1 per unlimited domain/sub-domain hosters like GoDaddy etc. as most newly reg'd domains = malicious - fact:
"95 percent of all newly registered domains are associated with malware or spam" Paul Vixie
* FROM https://www.gdatasoftware.com/...
(On what TBL wants? Hey - imo @ least, a GOOD 3/4 of the "Antifa SOROS-LOSERS" out there (along w/ others of the TONS of bogus groups he finances)?? Just on the payroll of George Soros (20++ BILLION goes a LONG ways) & they don't even BELIEVE in what they're doing - they're just there for the "$" (fucking shitbag TRAITOR fucks)).
APK
P.S.=> You're NEVER going to change BOGUS people though - mankind's been TRYING to stop crime in all its forms since the dawn of our existence - hasn't worked yet - all you can DO is preventative measures, ala MY work (which definitely works on THAT front VS. what I quote from Mr. Vixie above) https://it.slashdot.org/commen... ... apk
How to get around the ISP. Everything else is fluff designed to impose some form of censorship. That is unacceptable. We must never permit any kind of censorship on the internet. Never never never. Censorship is offensive and evil, the sole purpose of which is to protect powerful people and institutions.
"AS HIROSHIMA SMOULDERED, OUR ATOM BOMB SCIENTISTS SUFFERED REMORSE"...
Wanting Governments to give up easy and cheap mass citizen surveillance,
Wanting billion dollar global corporations to give up the power of harvesting every nuance of our personal lives for marketing dollars,
Wanting people to take back rational thought and fund institutions with editors, fact checkers and individuals actually held accountable instead of the instant gratification of being "liked",
Wanting acronym agencies to forgo the power of global spying with the push of a button
Tim, you and Dr. Oppenheimer know what it's like to "want".... or maybe you're just one of the "cry baby scientists" as referred to by President Truman after he dropped a couple of bombs
Under the principles laid out in the document, which Berners-Lee calls a "Magna Carta for the web", governments must ensure that its citizens have access to all of the internet, all of the time, and that their privacy is respected so they can be online "freely, safely and without fear."
Does that include people who get "de-platformed"?
Yes, I know that wasn't done by government ...but hmm, lookie here:
Companies will
Make the internet affordable and accessible to everyone
So that no one is excluded from using and shaping the web.
But it seems that the de-platformed are excluded from "shaping" it ...
Oh no, censorship is coming. The Chinese have developed the technology. It's not going to be a surprise when they export it wholesale. Many "liberal" governments are just as anxious to censor the dissent as are dictatorships. The mega-corporations are already doing it, and the technology to censor unapproved viewpoints is getting cheaper. USENET was wild and free, but the internet will become CompuServe, curated and censored, by the time my grandchildren are there.
The notion of "hate speech" is nonsensical in a Country with true freedom of speech. There is a difference between speech and promoting criminal acts. Unfortunately, we in the US of given up rational thought and are no longer able to tell the difference.
> "and without fear"
Is impossible because people are afraid of stupid shit. Specifically they are afraid of other's speech.
> prejudice, bias, polarisation, fake news,
Being able to express any/all of those is a freedom. Specifically the Freedom of Speech. Trying to disallow those is oppression and censorship. Freedom of Speech only exists if you are free to be rude, hateful, offensive, lie, spread misinformation, and express unpopular opinions. There are, of course, limits already covered by laws. Slander, inciting violence, fraud and many others. But, fundamentally, if you lack the right to offend you lack the right to free speech.
Letting everyone have access to all of the Internet, all of the time doesn't seem like such a good idea with the rise of white supremacists and the alt-right, because they would make the "safely and without fear" part impossible. I could get behind this if a clause is added saying that right-wing groups should not be considered citizens or something along those lines.
Way to think one sided.
Squarespace, seriously?
The father of freaking HTML is using a cheesy hosted "website builder" to put up a document that is every bit as as stark and simple as any he did almost 30 years ago?
It probably took longer to clicky clicky everything than it would have to mark it up by hand.
The political stuff aside, we're doomed just from a nerd standpoint ...
Go on, set up a USENET server. Invitation only, like gmail. Have pre-september folks distribute the invitations around. Top-post and you're out again.
Methinks Berners-Lee is trying his best to fix his mess but he obviously cannot. Quite interesting to see just how rotten the thing is, and how muddled his thinking, still.
Dearest Timmy:
1. The web is not the internet. The internet was here before your truly great invention, and it continues on without your input.
2. The horse has left the ban. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. A free internet means that people are free to say even the most unpleasant things about your puppies dying in a fire. Sorry, that's the way it is.
3. You gave your baby away. The world took it and turned it into a monster over which you have no say or sway. Sorry.
4. Nobody cares what you think. While your ideas where world changing in 1989 when V.34 28.8kbps dial-up modems were the new shiny hotness, you have presented no new ideas of any significance since then. See point 3.
HTH K THNX BY
ATH
Carrier Disconnected
Yes ... Trotskt-slut SJW nibberizing bitches think they define acceptable speech and actions. Mini-tyrants to a prick and a cunt. They need to be slapped down into the mud ... and smash-faced slapped down hard.
For me, saving the Web from abuse would be to put further measures to guarantee free speech flourishes. This includes criticizing and ridiculing useful idiots like Tim Berners-Lee that would happily see us march into totalitarianism. Make no mistake, web free of offensive content is web that is censored to suppress all dissent, all calls for societal change, all nonconformity.
You're using a PC right now anyway, aren't you? Have been for how many years now? No, this is not a coincidence.
If you can't not act and talk like a racist, or react only based on fear
You might want to take a REAL long look in the mirror buddy.
Because all I see from Democrats these days is action based on fear, mostly in support of various kinds of racism that are deemed preferable. Including accusing a supreme court justice of rape because you feared him.
When you stop acting from a position of fear, perhaps then voters will be willing to listen to you once more.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
you'd think that people would understand this by now.
so fucking pick.
FREEDOM
or
SAFETY.
i'd say freedom is the more important.
Is Tim Berners-Lee even relevant for any reason today?
Turn off JavaScript and then visit http://fortheweb.webfoundation...
I am oddly moved by the giant silhouettes of not really identifiable things.
I see that Mr Berners-Lee has made his decision. Now, let us see him enforce it.
(Also, the Magna Carta was backed by a clique of well-armed and extremely angry Barons and their personal armies, and was later annulled by the Pope.)
They said the great thing about the Internet was the ability to communicate with anyone from around the world. The bad thing though is the ability for anyone from around the world to communicate with me.
Lol, angry inbred nazi goes deep into muddy gay sex analogies, forgets what he was whining about. The world ignores it and the retarded inbred nazi goes extinct, the end!
For, the people who are abusing the net will not sign the contract and will carry on as before, whereas those who sign the contract do not abuse, and probably have not abused the net anyway.
You are an idiot. You(Republicans) decided corporations were "people". Thus you gave them the right to police any behavior they wanted. Don't like it? Do the republican free market thing and switch. You guys built this shit house and now you complain about it. Fuck off.
In case you haven't noticed the print and video media innundate us with negative and politically motivated stories every hour of every day. I don't see how the internet is going to become any more saintly than the real world we all live in.
So... this is a fluff piece with a bunch of feel-goods thrown in to get everyone excited about an as of yet undefined "The full contract".
Our intention is for the full Contract for the Web to be a strong mechanism for each party to be held accountable for doing their part to build an open and free web.
Yeah, that. I'm not a big fan of the idea that I have to sign up to your thing to even have a voice is what this thing entails. Especially when it involves my government and my ISP. Just what the hell is a "strong mechanism" to hold a citizen accountable for respecting civil discourse? Because I can name a handful of absolutely despotic solutions to that problem which I would actively fight against. A strong mechanism for making companies provide affordable internet access sounds a lot like price-control.
The one part that really seems to be at cross purposes to the other goals is where companies "challenge the worst in humanity". When did the plan shift from the Internet being a basic right for everyone to a curated walled garden only acceptable people are allowed into? Like... is the Internet for everyone? Do you want to only allow on people with similar ideologies or are you ok with hate-filled bigots posting on social media? Because if it's for everyone, and everyone gets to use and shape the web, then you have to accept that not everyone is super-happy-friendly and gets along with everyone else. Censoring them is abusive. Barring them from the Internet is monstrous.
...may break my bones but WORDS will never hurt me. Free speech my ass.
https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_...
So this was a talk he gave in 2014. Up to the minute news here on Slashdot now eh?
"For many years there was a feeling that the wonderful things on the web were going to dominate and we'd have a world with less conflict, more understanding, more and better science, and good democracy,"
Maybe that was just a dumb idea that came from a place of utter ignorance, like when you're a little kid and believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny?
Simply having that idea doesn't mean it was ever likely to happen.
-Styopa
and his codification of digital rights management into web standards?
Can we save it from bloated web sites that demand to load all sorts of scripts, fonts, and other (mostly) useless stuff?
abuse and discrimination, political manipulation, and other threats that plague the online world
Because fortunately, none of this exists outside of Internet!
Thank you!! Well said!
The opposite. Letting people do and be what they want is good. Deplatforming is bad. Rights are good, particularly the most important right of all: the ability to express yourself. It's an important value to have for everyone, everywhere and should not be limited to a legal concept.
Just to make this clear, I will give you the dignity of a reply:
"You are an idiot." Bad place to start. I do see that you were downvoted then voted back up to 0, so someone here spends modpoints on insults they like.
"You(Republicans) decided corporations were "people". " I'm not a Republican. Corporations are not people. The supreme court, not Republicans, ensured even groups of people have the right to free speech. Fallacy of composition, but there it is.
"Thus you gave them the right to police any behavior they wanted." Not true and not related.
"Don't like it? Do the republican free market thing and switch." See this is the problem. The right to self-expression is treated as paramount for some groups, and deplatforming is good to do to other groups, directly attacking that same right. At the same time the reverse is also treated as true if you are the right sort of person, not those evil conservatives or whatever.
"You guys built this shit house and now you complain about it. Fuck off." You are arguing that companies and universities have the right to deplatform and silence others, insist that Republicans are evil for doing the same, but also are evil for complaining about the same. All your points lead to the same place: whatever you dislike is equivalent to Republicans and whatever is Republican is equivalent to what you dislike. No reason. No principles. That's far, far worse than anything either party has foisted on the American people.
See subject & vs. LOSERS like YOU that "HIDE" from me? You need to SEE this to understand ME https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
APK
P.S.=> You're so FAR beneath me & those LIKE me (+ you KNOW it hiding from me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous, weezil)... apk
See subject & "pontifcate" - I've NEVER ever used THAT word so not even a "nice try" IMPERSONATING me fool. Seriously? Is that all you have now??
APK
P.S.=> I don't use THAT word (w/ good reason) & I honestly feel sorry for "you & yours" when you resort to SUCH petty transparent bs... apk
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* RUN THAT DATASET THRU MY PROGRAM & WHAT RESULTS COME OUT THAT HAVE A "PORT FILTER" ATTACHED?
NONE!
Only borlnd.com, tester.com, test3.com, jealous.com & jowie.com (last 2 are for YOU, lol) REMAIN (no filters on them)
MY PROGRAM EVEN PREVENTS THAT MISTAKE!
APK
P.S.=> THIS PROVES MY PROGRAM'S OUTPUT DOES NOT ALLOW "PORT FILTERING" ENTRIES IN HOSTS as I said!
ALL DESPITE you IMPERSONATING ME & LYING (for YEARS now) saying hosts do + STALKING ME via UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS too (loser weezil).
It's LONG PROVEN YOU DO THAT c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com...
+ your LIES saying I have a MacOS model (I don't YET) OR that hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown (hosts don't but you LIE impersonating ME saying they do - FILTERS in hosts too!)... apk
See subject: This SIMPLE TEST destroys you https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
APK
P.S.=> Easily... apk
Hosts CAN stop PortSmash - has to run locally - IF hosts block the SOURCE of such malware? No threat.
APK
P.S=> Dude, grow up... apk
Chickenshit APK ran from this post and this post.
Is a hypocrite,
In one breath, he says people should have free access to all information on the Internet yet in the next breath he says fake news is a problem.
If he meant what he said per a free flow of information he would understand that having someone, anyone, "defining fake news" is the opposite of freedom.
I'm more than perfectly capable of determining what is real and what is fake. I don't want TBL defining it for me.
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World-class person doesn't buy his house from daddy for $1.
See subject: He made good on a deal we made when I was a boy in elementary school - you get good grades? We pay your college but my bro (what a surprise & BETTER MAN THAN ME + God shed his grace on him now more than ever) wasn't doing well in elementary school (living under my MA was tough - mental torture I dealt w/ well, my Sis ran away, My bro was crumbling there until he lived w/ my Pop (more fair)).
* The CAUSE (working class immigrants parents worried more than I)?
My bro wasn't doing well early on in Elementary school (where by comparison I was straight A & kept that up, keeping MY END of the bargain into highschool) & they told me "He's not you so the deal is off until later, IF ever" FINE - I love my brother (great guy, wish I was MORE like him actually) so thus it was. HOWEVER - under my Pop's "rule" he excelled & got FULL RIDE to S.U. (even beat the black folks @ their OWN history contest (your kind? Looks @ us poles like them but w/ white skin)) & years later? They made good & gave me a deal - one I pumped 35k into to make MY happy home & it is.
APK
P.S.=> Dude, please- grow up - you have issues STALKING me... apk
See subject: You're UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous - I sign off "APK" because I stand behind my words, unlike you. Grow up boy...
APK
P.S.=> Imo, you're applying your energies in the WRONG direction (that is UNLESS I threaten some 'agenda' you have & STILL you lose, lol) - make something good, be of SERVICE to others as I have been (or go to hell, up to you)... apk
He lives in a $1 home and spends his time trolling Slashdot and sucking off his roommate. I have a net worth of several million dollars and own multiple houses that are far better than APK's. I earned my money writing software that people actually find useful, unlike that hosts file shit. As a bonus, my software actually works well, unlike APK's third rate shit. I also don't make bogus claims about the capabilities of my software.
"Man, that guy had the utmost confidence in his ability & w/ THAT kind of ability you SHOULD have that confidence" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... position 23:57 (about a fellow polack Marino).
* :)
APK
P.S=> Dude, I'm happy for you but I don't NEED millions to get laid (apparently, you do) & what ware is that of yours you speak of? apk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
* Says it all... DO see it, I told you that here https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
APK
P.S.=> Your kind CANNOT hold a GOOD MAN DOWN - the rest of us will NOT let you (& I feel truly sorry for you & yours - your delusional psychopathic history always shows you hurting yourselves)... apk
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Likewise, hold the people responsible: Take the profit out of fake news, make concerted/vexatious slander into a crime (slander itself remains a civil issue), punish those inciting criminal acts.
Most important, eliminate the "it's your job to know the truth" meme. Now, truth is rarely whole or total but an attitude that corporations, particularly those with a big audience, can say anything because they don't have a responsibility for their actions, is hypocritical and class-warfare.
To fix things like this is really simple. Create a huge walled garden AOL style internet where everyone who wants to use it signs on with the real name etc. This will be monitored and policed so anyone who wants a nice safe internet is free to sign up, log in, and enjoy comsuming whatever pap their corporate masters deem to be "eucational" and "safe". ALl the millenial crap like Facebook, Instagram etc. can go in there.
The rest of us will then continue using the wonderful cess pit we already have. A great mix of wonderful stuff mixed in with profanity, hate speech, foulness and all. If you want to use it you do so at your own risk and "if thine eye offends thee PLUCK IT OUT"..
If you want to be treated like a child go ahead but leave me out of it.
Only took me minutes to trash you easily - hope YOU enjoyed it (you must be a sadomasochist, lol): That's why you "hide" unidentifiable anonymous now (I've busted you up SO MANY TIMES under your doubtless MANY sockpuppet accounts too).
APK
P.S.=> Thank you though (for making ME look GOOD & yourself like the WEEZIL shit you are)... apk
See subject & it works vs. threats for less minus as many false positives + speeds you up 2 ways (you create 0) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
* Most importantly? It worked vs. your BULLSHIT (with solid proof of it in that link above).
Why don't you be a MAN & identify yourself to me so we can GET TOGETHER in person so I can FUCK YOU UP by punching your fucking teeth out fucker? I've had it w/ your PUSSY bullshit punk.
APK
P.S.=> All little PUSSIES like YOU do is STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts (OR you IMPERSONATE me which that link also proves as I caught 1 of you doing it there, not a first, there's others I have recorded SLIPPING that way) & do ZERO on your end (you're just too STUPID & LAZY to is why imo)... apk
What about your "notware" U don't have & where's your "MILLION$" you brag on too? https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... lmao - you LYING little punk?
ANSWER - They're NOT!
* All I need is to get the names of ANY threatening (or tracking etc.) source & it IS blocked to protect you + works e.g. https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + hosts SPEED YOU UP 2 ways (ad & script tracker blocking & hardcodes (that also protect you vs. DNS tracking OR redirect poisoning + DNSChangers)).
Doing ALL that, NATIVELY + more efficiently for less.
(Once they're known as SOON as they're exposed, I block them & it works - no questions asked).
APK
P.S.=> My work, WORKS - your (lol) "HOTAIRWARE" per that link above from YOU? Doesn't - period (& that's because you're a BLOWHARD do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" BULLSHIT artist PUNK that STALKS me (or impersonates me) behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts (you're no man - you're a WEEZIL & you not only KNOW it, you constantly PROVE it))... apk
Where's your "MILLION$" https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... YOU can't deliver on? You KEEP AVOIDING THAT ("gosh I wonder why?" - lol, not).
* Me? I deliver JUST FINE as I add threats to hosts & here's the proof https://search.slashdot.org/co...
(& I do so on DGA trackers that do what you say using those trackers data too)
APK
P.S.=> Let's see YOU DO BETTER - oh, that's right - you already PROVED in the 1st link above YOU CAN'T, lmao... apk
Who the fuck do you think you are talking to retard? You have lots of people that beat your retarded ass and mock you. That wasn't me.
Tell us of your "MILLION$", lol (that you don't have as you always RUN from backing this up from you) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
* RoTfLmAo @ U fool...
(... & all those LIKE you)
APK
P.S.=> Do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" chatterboxes... apk