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Chinese President Vows To Boost Intellectual Property Protection (afr.com)

hackingbear writes: In the opening of China's first import-themed trade fair, President Xi Jinping promised tougher penalties for intellectual property theft, a key concern of the Trump administration, in front of leaders and executives from 3,600 companies from more than 170 countries. China has been steadily advancing intellectual property protection over the years. In addition to filing twice as many patents as the U.S. in 2017, up nearly 14 folds from 2001, it is also increasingly being selected as a key venue for patent litigation by non-Chinese companies, as litigants feel they are treated fairly as foreign plaintiffs won the majority of their patent cases in 2015 (though that likely attracts patent trolls). China's journey from piracy to protection models the journeys of the U.S. which had blatantly violated intellectual properties in building its modern industry.

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  1. #1 thing they need to do by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The #1 thing they need to do if they are serious about combating IP theft is to stamp out all the bootlegging that goes on in their country.

    LEGO have recently won a court case against a major Chinese bootlegger but other than a minor fine and possibly a need to redesign or stop selling a few products (out of the many bootleg products they currently make and sell around the world) it wont do a thing to stop the knock-offs.

    Enforcement action by the government and its agencies to shut down the bootlegging (of everything from LEGO to designer bags to golf clubs to baby formula) would be the single biggest thing the Chinese government could do to show the world that it is serious about respecting intellectual property rights.

    1. Re: #1 thing they need to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The way I see it, now they have stolen all their technology they want to protect future advancements they make with it."

      Yes, exactly the same way the US developed itself after stealing european tech back when they were the pirates.

    2. Re:#1 thing they need to do by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clearly not even LEGO thinks this since there are several other systems of building block toys out there and readily available. The clue was the use of the term "bootleg product"; that basically implies a knock-off that either pretends to be the official product or is an obvious clone of it. In this specific case it's a rip-off of LEGO's product, right down to replacing the LEGO logo with their own "Lepin" version and replication of the Mini-Fig form, as can be seen in this article. You can quibble over "IP" in the context of imaginary property, but LEGO's case was on the grounds of registered trademark infringment which isn't doesn't get much more black and white than that.

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    3. Re:#1 thing they need to do by jonwil · · Score: 2

      There is a big difference between a clone block manufacturer (such as Mega Bloks) producing their own original set designs and securing their own licenses and what the Chinese bootleggers do where they directly copy the design of official LEGO products (often ripping off licensed brands like Star Wars or DC or Marvel or Harry Potter or Ferrari)

      There is a BIG difference between something like this Call of Duty helicopter set
      https://shop.megabrands.com/en...
      produced legally and with full permission of Activision Blizzard as owners of the Call of Duty IP and something like this knock-off Star Wars set
      https://lepinstarwars.com/prod...
      which is a direct copy of the official LEGO Star Wars Cloud City set and has been produced without permission from LEGO (who own the rights to the design of the set as well as the exclusive rights to produce Star Wars building sets) or Disney/Lucasfilm (as owners of the Star Wars IP)

  2. Words are cheap. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll believe it when I see them actually enforcing this. Besides, the Chinese government doesn't consider it theft when they take it because they have laws that compel you to comply. Got a factory in China? Yeah, it's at least 51% owned by the Chinese so that (surprise!) they can insist that all IP be handed over.

    Nothing is changing here, it's just words. The idea here is to fool Xi's US counterpart.

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    1. Re:Words are cheap. by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nothing is changing here, it's just words. The idea here is to fool Xi's US counterpart.

      No it's not to fool the US counterpart, it's to fool all of the countries and companies that do business in China. Why do you ask? Well for the first time the politburo has stated that "yes they are actually worried about the tariffs, but also countries moving out of china and back to their home countries." Topping this out with the anti-chinese sentiment allowing them to buy up resources/land/etc in other countries for their own use.

      The second part, is they've just had 9 repeat quarters of GDP dropoff, and in order to stave off negative GDP growth they want to pump in more debt to bolster it. Problem is, they're burning on empty. They have nearly 1000 large cities that have next to no population and nobody can buy into them. They have hundreds of cities modeled after Canadian and US housing developments...but nobody is buying them. Can't even rent them. They sit there...empty. But all those companies have debts for pay, resources, etc that are starting to come due and there's been a big spike in business failures and asset forfeitures. Now the really interesting thing, banks have been lending on assets(resources, stockpiles, buildings, etc). Then finding out that 3 other banks have done the same, and those assets don't exist.

      Ready for the real shitshow to start? If you are, let the tariffs keep going. Japan, Korea, Philippines, Singapore will cheer China hitting serious financial problems.

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    2. Re:Words are cheap. by phayes · · Score: 2

      Well, I believe that China will be protecting the intellectual property of _Chinese_ patents. They'll continue to force all the barbarians in the world (AKA non Chinese) to hand over their patents and industrial property as the price of having access to the Chinese market though.

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    3. Re:Words are cheap. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Do you have a link or citation for this? Honestly asking.

      Take it right from a chinese newspapers mouth there's been a few articles on the Korean Daily News, on the Japan Times, Mainichi Shinbun as well. article from bloomberg on the politburo wanting to pump more money and debt into the economy to keep it going. Again few articles more on this, check SEA news organizations, WSJ and so on. This is the type of stuff that doesn't get traction in the US/Canada or European media.

      Are you sure they would cheer? If China is really such an evil godless commie regime, wouldn't a pressured China be more likely to do something crazy, which would be bad for its neighbors?

      Yes, because it would give them the opportunity to kick them square in the teeth over the south china sea and them building military installations there. This has become a big enough problem that the current government in Japan(Abe) has both the political and public support to rewrite the constitution allowing for a pro-active military, instead of the restricted defensive military put into place at the end of WWII. In S/N.Korea's case, there appears to be far more going on as well, including having Kim come to Seoul, an agreement to de-mine sections of the DMZ, more open trade, removal of all military posts on/near disputed islands and so on. Singapore seems to be taking a very active approach to wanting them to reunify as well.

      There's also the fact that China is a major if not top trading partner to those countries. So even if China doesn't do something crazy, their neighbors will be affected.

      Most already have plans for that, note the increase trade deals between Canada, Japan and S.Korea dealing with milk/milk products, and flash-frozen meat for example.

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  3. Re:But.. by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is copyright, patent law, etc. But "intellectual property" is just a term coined by people who want it to be a general system to forbid unpaid thoughts. The more people repeat it, the more people think it actually exists. It does not.

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  4. hypocrisy much? by shentino · · Score: 2, Informative

    China?

    Boost intellectual property protection?

    *inhales deeply*

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    1. Re:hypocrisy much? by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This. And to add to that, President Xi Jinping is well known for saying what everybody wants to hear and then turning around and do exactly the opposite. If you're a company and dare say something about it, expect to get all sorts of weird investigations and licenses retracted for vague and made-up reasons.

      In this particular area, things are slowly turning around now that Trump is saying something about it, and not budging. At least, that's what economists like Kees de Kort are saying. I don't think anybody in The Netherlands is a fan of Trump, but the fact that he points out these Chinese hypocracies is well received.

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  5. This "post" / propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone else think this article reads like propaganda? My first thought when I read this is that it might have been written by someone from the Chinese government.

    They have a fairly consistent pattern of how they present ideas, including the choice of words used -- anything that China does that's in their favor is their "sovereign right" or "internal affair" and anything that anyone does that's against China's benefit (real or perceived) is "wrong" or "a mistake".

    The part that especially got me was the last sentence that basically admits to committing piracy, but defends it in the same breath saying 'Well that's what the US did to build their industry'.

  6. basically means the war is lost by gweihir · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the US mostly. China now thinks they benefit more from IP protections than from not having them and that simply means they produce more value now from their own IP than from things they copy.

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  7. A lesson learned from the United States by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    In early America History, there was little effort spent on uphold foreign intellectual property claims. For example:
    Samuel Slater was granted US patents on textile machinery that he copied from British mills that he had worked in. At the time it was illegal to export those designs from the UK.
    Mark Twain was famously a proponent of perpetual copyright, on the premise that intellectual property is property and thus a limited term is a taking of that property, but he took that position only in his later years once he had a significant corpus that might be valuable after he died. When he was younger and consumed more writing than he produced he was quite in favor of cheap books printed in the US that paid no royalties to foreign writers.

  8. Re:But.. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    By that logic, do laws even exist? After all, they're social fabrications that have no physical manifestation in the real world, other than that which we create for them.

    My point is, of course these things exist. I'll assent to the notion that "intellectual property" may be a misnomer, since you simply cannot own thoughts in the same way that you can own a physical item, but I've never heard anyone try to use it that way. So far as I've ever heard the term used, "intellectual property" is simply the catch-all phrase used to refer to ideas protected by the sorts of laws you're talking about, be they copyright, trademark, utility/design patent, or some other form of protection. Again, "intellectual property" may not be the best way of referring to those things, but it's the best we've got until a more accurate phrase catches on. Feel free to suggest an alternative.

    Now, if people were using the term to argue true ownership over certain thoughts, A) that'd be absurd, and B) I'd agree that we have a problem. Thankfully, so far as I've seen, no one is (yet) making that argument, and I don't think we're on any sort of slippery slope to reaching that point, despite certain aspects of IP law going differently than we would like (e.g. seemingly endless copyright extensions, ambiguous patents, overly aggressive trademark defenses, etc.).