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Free Music Archive Is Shutting Down (theverge.com)

WFMU's Free Music Archive -- a digital library of high-quality and legal downloads that users could listen to, remix, and share -- is shutting down due to funding shortages. The Verge reports: "The future is uncertain, has been my mantra lately," says Cheyenne Hohman, who's been the director of the Free Music Archive since 2014. The shutdown date was initially the 9th, but has since been pushed back to November 16th because the FMA is in early talks with four different organizations that are interested in taking the project over. "The site may stay up a little bit longer to ensure, at the very least, that our collections are backed up on archive.org and the Wayback Machine." Even so, it's not a perfect solution. "If it just goes into archive.org, it's going to be there in perpetuity, but it's not going to be changing at all," Hohman says. "It's not going to be the same thing, that sort of community and project that it was for ... almost 10 years."

67 comments

  1. Woah by Bobrick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jesus christ, I'm gonna be downloading as much stuff as I can... this was my main music source for videos. This is a huge loss, the FMA is a godsend for a lot of indie production of all types.

    1. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is 4 years ("since 2014") equal to 10 years? (" project that it was for ... almost 10 years.")

      I don't get it.

    2. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you. Some of us ride or die.

    3. Re: Woah by Bobrick · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pirating? You realize this is essentially a Creative Commons database?

    4. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading comprehension: "Cheyenne Hohman, who's been the director of the Free Music Archive since 2014". This only says Cheyenne Hohman has been the director since 2014, not that the Free Music Archive started in 2014.

    5. Re:Woah by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      You missed the bit before "since 2014": "who's been the director of..."

    6. Re:Woah by OneSizeFitsNoone · · Score: 2

      The site has been archived since 2008:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

      The domain was registered in 2007:

      Domain Name: FREEMUSICARCHIVE.ORG
      Registry Domain ID: D141981069-LROR
      Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.joker.com
      Registrar URL: http://www.joker.com/
      Updated Date: 2018-01-30T11:12:57Z
      Creation Date: 2007-03-21T19:52:05Z

    7. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax. It's all backed up on Internet Archive. There are also many other places to get music from, including the YouTube audio library, mobygratis and scene.org.

    8. Re: Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled 'and'. Are you an organ donor?

    9. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! You idiotic ricer kids and your Fast & the Furious quotes.

    10. Re: Woah by Solandri · · Score: 1

      This is a problem I've noticed is becoming more common. The disinformation campaign by the *IAA is working so well, that many naive members of the public assume any copying of books/music/movies is wrong unless it's authorized by the owner (or former owner for works that are now public domain).

      It's important to stress that the natural state is for no restrictions on copying. The sole purpose of putting restrictions on copying things (Copyright) is "To promote the progress of science and useful arts". A restriction on copying which does not promote that purpose (like stamping out all copies of old video games in the wild so they're lost forever if the Copyright holder's own copy is lost) has no valid reason for existing.

    11. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Relax. It's all backed up on Internet Archive." ...until somebody else owns the domain and changes the robots.txt file. Then it all disappears from Internet Archive / wayback machine. Internet Archive respects the current robots.txt restrictions as if they applied to all previous snapshots even if the site owner at the time of those snapshots wanted the site archived.

    12. Re:Woah by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      Because the site existed before she joined it. I remember using FMA in late 2011.

    13. Re:Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh*

      It was backed up to Internet Archive _by_ FMA you illiterate fucking idiot.

  2. Bummer by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    That is a real bummer. Where will I get my minimalist dubstep alt-electronica music now?

    1. Re: Bummer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might as well archive it. Not a single link on the site works

    2. Re:Bummer by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      That is a real bummer. Where will I get my minimalist dubstep alt-electronica music now?

      GET it?!? You could probably write a 10 line BASIC program to GENERATE it!!!

      (j/k) (I like it, too!)

  3. You cheap bastards by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You coulda parted with a couple of bucks to keep this excellent project going. I have a ton of friends who have put music on that site and I've contributed some too.

    You expect everything for free and this is why we can't have nice things.

    Here for example, check out these nice young men from the Northwest who play deep deep funk and have given music to the site for free.

    http://freemusicarchive.org/mu...

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    1. Re:You cheap bastards by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow. Too bad there is no where else they can upload their music.

    2. Re:You cheap bastards by RickyShade · · Score: 3, Informative

      If only Jamendo existed.

    3. Re:You cheap bastards by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      If only Jamendo existed.

      Jamendo is a commercial site with a really shitty mobile app. They're not doing what the Free Music Archive is doing. They're just making a small amount of music free to act as promotion for their commercial licensing service.

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    4. Re:You cheap bastards by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hard to donate when you haven't heard of the site before. In other discussions on here about the music industry people have suggested sites that they get their music from and I haven't seen this before.

    5. Re:You cheap bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, under CC BY-NC-ND, so you can't use it anywhere "commercially" nor can you remix it...so if you make a video with it and then monetize it, you've broken the license. Useless.

    6. Re:You cheap bastards by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is true. They could have promoted the site better. With luck, someone will buy it and do a better job. I remember it being a lot of chiptune and 8-bit music, but over time it's gotten to be a really nice little collection.

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    7. Re:You cheap bastards by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      You coulda parted with a couple of bucks to keep this excellent project going. I have a ton of friends who have put music on that site and I've contributed some too.

      You expect everything for free and this is why we can't have nice things.

      Here for example, check out these nice young men from the Northwest who play deep deep funk and have given music to the site for free.

      http://freemusicarchive.org/mu...

      Nice!

      Sounds like the Rhythm-bed for an early Zappa tune...

      Love the Trombone solo!

      Guitar solo is way too hot in the mix, though.

    8. Re:You cheap bastards by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      The only people I knew that used the site were other video editors and content creators that heavily relied on it for all our music sourcing. It's a shame, you can find hours and hours of great music just for listening enjoyment, too.

  4. JM in the AM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until last year, WFMU hosted a popular Jewish radio show - called JM in the AM - that supposedly brought in more than enough money to run it's 15 hours/week of programming. Could they not make up the difference once the show left the air?

  5. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had just downloaded 8 jazz songs from that site to put to some video i'm uploading to youtube at this very moment. That sucks, it's been really helpful.

  6. Re:i will eat out the ass of every single person h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then get ready to eat a lot of ass.
    Neoliberalism failed, and there still isn't a coherent political model to replace it. Until that tension is resolved and corporate power is checked as the vast majority of people want, expect more Trump or somebody like him.
    Don't except things to ever go "back to normal".

  7. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why do we keep seeing these type posts on /. for the first time, only after a site is soon to be shutdown or after it already has been shutdown?

    Seriously, I've never even heard of this site before now. I suspect many others haven't as well.

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Came here to say this!

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd never heard of it either. Last time I followed this kind of thing was when IUMA was alive and well.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd heard of it, but didn't know anything about its ownership or funding arrangements. Part of the problem with "stuff for $0" is that unless they are getting something back (like google's advertising targets) you can only last so long.

    4. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly because whoever ran the site that is shutting down is looking for sweet Kickstarter money.

    5. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Delivered by the hottest chicks in town, no less

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I've never heard of it, either. Anyone have a torrent?

  8. Re: i will eat out the ass of every single person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, like, 5 people plus apk?

  9. Move Everything To Bittorrent Volunteers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Keep the main website up and database of listener stats, store the music on volunteer's PCs via bittorrent. That should cut storage and bandwidth costs by 99%. Also, maybe advertise? Partner with a music community? I had NEVER heard of this website!

    1. Re:Move Everything To Bittorrent Volunteers by grumpy-cowboy · · Score: 1

      Never heard of this also. Maybe they can just have a network of volunteer's of mirrors sites (like Linux distributions). I have a small business and I can contribute by giving a part of my bandwidth. I want to support those artists.

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  10. The main page doesn't even say they are closing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The first step to getting something is asking for it, I admit I rarely look for a donate button but a legit and backed up claim saying you are going to close if you don't get funding should be one of the first things to put on their home page. Maybe someone likes it enough to just cover the costs.

    1. Re:The main page doesn't even say they are closing by franzrogar · · Score: 1

      The first sentence of the first message in the front page:

      "We regret to inform you that due to a funding shortage, the FMA will be closing down later this month."

      Which part of "will be closing down later this month" doesn't say they are closing?

    2. Re:The main page doesn't even say they are closing by OneSizeFitsNoone · · Score: 1

      It doesn't state: "*IF* we're not gonna get the funds we'll close down", it states: "We *DIDN'T get the funds hence we're closing down."

    3. Re:The main page doesn't even say they are closing by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      In the years I've been using it I don't recall anything like a donation drive or the sort... I think they could've found out they have a lot of supporters.

  11. Some alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Some alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how those sites managed to get funding, or if they too are doomed. Can those sites download the files from this site so nothing is lost?

  12. Why?-Love is free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sure? Because the basis for the "you should do it for the love" (subtitled: "and stop asking for money") argument is that artists will create forever, and audiences will get everything perpetually free. How could a group with such giving hearts, and unselfish motives be so wrong about creativity?

  13. Re:How to guarantee originality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if a musical composition and a recording thereof are under one of the Creative Commons licenses, that doesn't guarantee that the composition was in fact original.

    Just because a musical composition and a recording are commercially licensed doesn't guarantee it was original and not stolen from others either.

    Why bother to specify creative commons as if that makes any sort of difference here?

    All music for thousands of years is based on some one else, and a shockingly large amount of music in the last hundred or so years is flat out copied from someone else without permission, credit, or dues.

  14. Re:How to guarantee originality? by tepples · · Score: 0

    Just because a musical composition and a recording are commercially licensed doesn't guarantee it was original and not stolen from others either.

    Unlike a free license, a commercial license may provide a warranty of provenance, giving you someone to sue if you get sued.

  15. Wish I Could Help by ememisya · · Score: 1

    Sorry bro, I'm Trump broke. I got $10 in the bank but I look like I am rich. The service will be missed. Many Flash animations will hold your memory alive as they all get converted to mp4s.

  16. It's ok by execthis · · Score: 1

    That's ok. The only free music archive I need is the IMSLP :-)

  17. Re:How to guarantee originality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, you'd be a good candidate for a MAFIAA member. Someone might plagiarize, so the whole site is a pirate site. Better go after them.

  18. Looked at their content. I won't suffer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't know about them, so took a look. Seems to be something of a vanity site. Didn't see anything of interest. Maybe that's why they can't get donations. They won't get anything from me.

  19. There was a great disturbance in the force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as if thousands of unwashed hippies all cried out in unison and were suddenly silent.. actually just stoned on the couch

  20. Re:How to guarantee originality? by OneSizeFitsNoone · · Score: 1

    Unlike a free license, a commercial license may provide a warranty of provenance, giving you someone to sue if you get sued.

    Just like free licenses do. Only the © holder can determine the song's license, that it was free or otherwise. If the song, free or commercial, was found to be not original, the author and posing © holder who chose the license can be sued.

  21. flagged music on YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used one of the supposedly creative commons songs from FMA, then it got flagged on YouTube. I never used the archive again as it was suspect.

  22. internet of corps by sad_ · · Score: 1

    and so we end up with an internet where the only sites that are still up & running are owned by (mega)corps, because anything else can't afford to stay available.

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    On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
    1. Re: internet of corps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will be the endgame. The writing has been on the wall since the first commercial sites went online. We knew it was just a matter of time before the internet became the intermarketnet. Eventually megacorps will own everything.

  23. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Audio mashups weren't a fad, not at all. Neither are self-driving cars, 'AI', or virtual reality, Soilent, or Thanos. Nothing to see here. /s The level of butthurt that was present at that time was off the charts (no pun intended), and for what? Naturally, as with every other life lesson, this one, too, will be lost on millennials.

  24. Re:i will eat out the ass of every single person h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Trump wins what? Also, define "win", because if it's his definition, you'll owe a lot of ass eating.

  25. Re:How to guarantee originality? by tepples · · Score: 1

    So what should a songwriter do to avoid being sued?

  26. Contact Us page is down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've been SLASHDOTTED!

  27. Re:How to guarantee originality? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

    Uhhh because it gives you someone to pass the lawsuit on to? If I for the sake of argument license a song from say Disturbed for a project and it turns out Disturbed ripped off some 60s tune? You can show you licensed it from Disturbed and its their record label and reps that are on the hook, not the person that in good faith bought the license from them.

    If I use a CC licensed song in a project and it turns out some kid who made the song ripped it of from some song I never heard of, think I'm gonna be able to pass that lawsuit off? Not likely because there is no money there so it'd be my ass on the hook.

    Like it or not there is a reason why we have saying like "nobody got fired for buying IBM" its because it gives you someone to pass the buck to.Its why we buy insurance, why we buy support contracts, its all so we can CYA and pass that buck down the line and by its very nature there is no money in CC so nobody you can pass that buck. I mean why do you think companies pay shitloads of money to RH when they can get Linux for free? So they can point and say "its THEIR fault, take it up with them".

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  28. I hate to say this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... good riddance!

    They kind of represented the downside or "curation" over more traditional forms -- it becomes all about who you know.

    Sour grapes? Perhaps, but it's deeply offensive being told "your stuff isn't exactly what we're looking for" when there are literally thousands of tracks of "1, 2, 3...testing!"

    Seriously, everyone speaks as if "curation" is some distributed, egalitarian form of distribution. It's not. It's about who's on the inside and who's on the outside.