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US Secret Service Warns ID Thieves are Abusing USPS's Mail Scanning Service (krebsonsecurity.com)

Brian Krebs reports: A year ago, KrebsOnSecurity warned that "Informed Delivery," a new offering from the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) that lets residents view scanned images of all incoming mail, was likely to be abused by identity thieves and other fraudsters unless the USPS beefed up security around the program and made it easier for people to opt out. This week, the U.S. Secret Service issued an internal alert warning that many of its field offices have reported crooks are indeed using Informed Delivery to commit various identity theft and credit card fraud schemes.

The internal alert -- sent by the Secret Service on Nov. 6 to its law enforcement partners nationwide -- references a recent case in Michigan in which seven people were arrested for allegedly stealing credit cards from resident mailboxes after signing up as those victims at the USPS's Web site. According to the Secret Service alert, the accused used the Informed Delivery feature "to identify and intercept mail, and to further their identity theft fraud schemes."

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  1. I use this, and it's crap by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They only give you photos of your flat mail. Packages don't seem to get photographed, ever, even just padded envelopes. So the stuff I want most to know about, they don't tell me about.

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    1. Re:I use this, and it's crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informed Delivery actually stopped working for me a few days ago, I wonder if it's at all related to this?

    2. Re:I use this, and it's crap by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      They accumulate all of your tracking numbers which is nice.

      Sometimes if I see something from the city I know to actually take my mail in.

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    3. Re:I use this, and it's crap by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      They don't photograph the package, but they do give you all the tracking numbers - even if the seller/shipper didn't.

    4. Re:I use this, and it's crap by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Amazon tells me if I have packages.

      This tells me if it's worth my time to walk to the mailbox.

    5. Re:I use this, and it's crap by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      " So the stuff I want most to know about, they don't tell me about."

      That's the way the Government works.

    6. Re:I use this, and it's crap by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Informed Delivery actually stopped working for me a few days ago, I wonder if it's at all related to this?"

      Yes, your credit card is gone.

    7. Re:I use this, and it's crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, so the criminals were all working from inside USPS? I guess that just means they need to improve their hiring practices. I guess, if they never gave them the opportunity to commit these crimes, then they'd have a bunch of bad apples in the staff the entire time? Maybe this is good because it allows them to catch bad USPS employees?

    8. Re:I use this, and it's crap by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Amazon tells me if I have packages.
      This tells me if it's worth my time to walk to the mailbox.

      In my case, it's drive to the mailbox. If I'm expecting something it usually has a tracking number, and if not then I scoop it up when I drive by. But what I really want to know about from the USPS is whether any of the few PO box deliverable packages in the world have turned up, and which ones. Most of those I get are some fluffy little packet of nothingness from HK or China and many of them lack meaningful tracking.

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    9. Re:I use this, and it's crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it will always say "No packages expected today" even though you know a couple are coming. Never once has it said something different.

      As for signing up, heck you basically have to know your accounts already to verify a soft credit pull so if they know that info your already compromised.

    10. Re:I use this, and it's crap by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      They only give you photos of your flat mail. Packages don't seem to get photographed, ever, even just padded envelopes. So the stuff I want most to know about, they don't tell me about.

      I'm sure they get photographed too, they (apparently) just don't send you those with this service.

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    11. Re:I use this, and it's crap by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Informed Delivery actually stopped working for me a few days ago, I wonder if it's at all related to this?

      No. The Microsoft Activation server probably downgraded their license. :-)

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    12. Re:I use this, and it's crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I signed up to receive text messages informing me when new mail has arrived to a PO Box. They only ever send messages when junk mail is delivered. Never for anything that I'm expecting.

    13. Re:I use this, and it's crap by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      They only give you photos of your flat mail. Packages don't seem to get photographed, ever, even just padded envelopes. So the stuff I want most to know about, they don't tell me about.

      Most likely because flat mail is automatically sorted and scanned through the system. And part of that automation is... taking a photo of the envelope and analyzing it for the address and other important details.

      The only change here is that instead of discarding those photos, USPS saves them for you as a service.

      Parcels and other stuff don't get sorted automatically and thus photos don't exist since they were never taken by the machines. Once the item is coded (the bar code they print) then the system can run it through the sorting machines.

    14. Re:I use this, and it's crap by antdude · · Score: 1

      It's not reliable. Sometimes it works and doesn't. :(

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    15. Re:I use this, and it's crap by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      It also works intermittently. Some days it'll show you the scans. Other days it will tell you you have X pieces of mail on its way, but it won't show you any scans.

  2. Re:How? by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It makes it easier to know when you should pilfer the mail of your victim.

    The majority of rural delivery boxes can't be locked, because the rural carrier would not be able to open them to deliver mail. And locked group mailboxes are only as secure as the keyed-alike master key.

  3. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "that lets residents view scanned images of all incoming mail"

  4. Re:How? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    I've never seen a locked mailbox anywhere but apartment buildings. I guess the theory is the thieves get the pictures so they know when the real mail is arriving. Good luck with that in my neck of the woods. My mailman is an old decrepit piece of shit who sometimes doesn't show up for a week at a time. When he isn't working it's some other minimum wage flunkies.

    On a side note I always wondered if the feds tracked where all the mail was going.

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  5. Re:How? by XXongo · · Score: 2

    Ok they get to see the outside of the envelope with your name and address that they already know.

    As far as I can tell, what they are doing is looking at the scans to know when credit cards are being delivered. If you get a new credit card on the average of once a year, this means that they only have to steal your mail once a year, and don't have to steal it the other 313 days a year that there ISN"T a credit card in the mail.

    Unless the mailboxes are unlocked for them to get the actually mail how does this allow them to commit identity fraud?

    Most people in the U.S. don't have locked mailboxes.

  6. Groundskeeper Willie says by necro81 · · Score: 2

    Groundskeeper Willie says "I warned ya!"

  7. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ok they get to see the outside of the envelope with your name and address that they already know.

    As far as I can tell, what they are doing is looking at the scans to know when credit cards are being delivered. If you get a new credit card on the average of once a year, this means that they only have to steal your mail once a year, and don't have to steal it the other 313 days a year that there ISN"T a credit card in the mail.

    You missed the point. Thieves are signing up for NEW credit cards. Then watching when the card arrives and intercepts it before the homeowner. They wont know until the following month when a bill shows up for the max limit of the card. They don't have to wait for that once a year replacement card.

  8. If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Can someone remind me again why the USPS seems to have a cash flow problem? I mean, if there was plenty of money to around inside the USPS I'm sure that things like this would be more likely to be fixed.

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    1. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Here's your reminder.

    2. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Republicans: starve the beast, run up the debt, divert as much of the treasury as possible into corporate welfare and subsidies

      Nothing new here. The postal budget was ripe for plundering.

    3. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can someone remind me again why the USPS seems to have a cash flow problem? I mean, if there was plenty of money to around inside the USPS I'm sure that things like this would be more likely to be fixed.

      Congress has regularly raided the USPS's coffers for the last 30 years, but in 2006 G.W. Bush required that they pre-fund the full expected value of their retirement accounts (about $55-$70 billion) up front costing them $5.5 to $5.8 billion every year since 2007.

      All other federal agencies are allowed to invest a smaller amount each year under the assumption that those investments will grow to meet their final needs, much like regular folks do with their 401(k) and IRA's.

    4. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you remember why people should be funding their retirement accounts - because people are bad at managing money that doesn't "do" anything and then you get situations where a company (or a bank in case of GWB) fails and the retirement funds get raided along the way.

      Even commercial retirement accounts are supposed to have the entire expected value available at all times. Sure there are ways to doctor the numbers and invest, but the investments have to be non-risky, something the USPS and many others fail to do during the early 2000's causing the economy to eventually spiral out of control.

      And $5.5B is not pre-funding, it's funding sufficiently so that existing employees that retire can get their promised money out, money that the USPS and others pre-LOST during the banking crisis.

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    5. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other agencies underfund their pensions obligating future taxpayers to make up the difference.

    6. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many postal workers have "gone postal" since 2006?

    7. Re: If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are not a hypocrite, you would say that that law should apply to every organization, from the USPS, to the Army, the local police, to every small business to every other company out there.

      But something tells me you would rather have tax cuts for the rich and empty promises to build a wall instead.

    8. Re:If only the USPS had a budget for fixing this by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Congress has regularly raided the USPS's coffers for the last 30 years, but in 2006 G.W. Bush required that they pre-fund the full expected value of their retirement accounts (about $55-$70 billion) up front costing them $5.5 to $5.8 billion every year since 2007.

      All other federal agencies are allowed to invest a smaller amount each year under the assumption that those investments will grow to meet their final needs, much like regular folks do with their 401(k) and IRA's.

      Nothing changed. The USPS retirement funds buy U.S. treasuries putting the money exactly where Congress can get to it. The fund is composed of IOUs.

  9. Re:How? by necro81 · · Score: 2

    On a side note I always wondered if the feds tracked where all the mail was going

    The USPS has been taking a picture of every piece of mail that passes through it for a decades. In some ways this should not be surprising - most mail sorting is automated, using machine vision to read the address labels (either hand-written, or barcode). In fact, the USPS was a strong investor in optical character recognition decades ago, because they recognized they could get much greater throughput this way. Previously, each letter would go past a human worker that would read the address and type in the ZIP code with a specialized keyboard.

    More recently, the USPS has started retaining these images for a period of time. This has, for instance, been helpful in law enforcement - see the recent case of Cesar Sayoc. But I don't know how long the images are kept for, or what other legitimate uses there may be for it.

  10. I can view mail at my old address by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    I moved a few years ago and haven't updated my address on usps.com. Apparently USPS turned on Informed Delivery automatically for me - so I can see all mail delivered to my old address. How cool and creepy is that!

    What prevents me from entering in any random address? Do they send a postcard to the address stating "your mail is being monitored" ??

    I used to travel on business a lot and used the website to stop / start my mail when on extended trips. I forgot I had an account until today! How many other people might be in this same situation?

    I changed my address online - so we'll see what happens.

    1. Re:I can view mail at my old address by archer,+the · · Score: 1

      > Do they send a postcard to the address stating "your mail is being monitored" ?

      Not useful: the identity thieves could just steal that once they sign up as you.

  11. Best Mitigation: Sign up now by omnichad · · Score: 3, Informative

    The best way to prevent this is to be the first to sign up. That way you are already associated first. If they let allow multiple accounts for one address....well...at least you'll get advance notice when they deliver the activation code for the new account.

    1. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by archer,+the · · Score: 1

      Screw that. I shouldn't need to create an online account just to protect my mail. Too many online accounts...

    2. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Of course you shouldn't have to. But that doesn't change the fact that it will help protect you.

    3. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by archer,+the · · Score: 1

      Freezing your credit is the better way. Not only does this protect you from folks trying to sign you up for Informed Delivery, it also protects you from people opening credit cards, loans, etc in your name.

    4. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And when a credit card you already have is due to expire, a new one gets mailed out. This helps prevent someone from intercepting it.

    5. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what if they do. That is the banks problem. I am not liable for it. By law.

      Anyway they have to activate the card. Not doing it from your telephone number usually gets the bank rep on the line to confirm who you are. So multiple failures have to happen (they know when your credit card expires, they know when it is mailed, they have access to your mailbox, and they have access to other personal information like your phone number and can spoof it)

      In reality the vast majority of identity theft is either skimmed credit cards, or by someone you already know.

    6. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by Typing_Ptarmigan · · Score: 2

      Freezing your credit is the better way. Not only does this protect you from folks trying to sign you up for Informed Delivery, it also protects you from people opening credit cards, loans, etc in your name.

      The second article (link in the summary) states that "...numerous readers have responded that they were still able to sign up for the service even though they had security freezes in place..." and this typing ptarmigan was able to sign up for the USPS Informed Delivery service (using KBA: Knowledge-Based Authentication) a little while ago even though I have credit security freezes in place.

    7. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by zilym · · Score: 1

      Bzzt. I just signed up multiple accounts with different email addresses for one mailing address. So far, no notice at all that there are multiple email addresses monitoring the one single mailing address. So, your suggestion that the best way to prevent this is to be the first to sign up is bunk. This is a very flawed system, even the "online verification" questions were super easy to guess. Thanks a lot to USPS for making everyone's (ID thieves) lives easier...

    8. Re:Best Mitigation: Sign up now by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I forgot that the welcome letter does not include an activation code and that they verify only with the online info. Still, at least you'd know if you were missing important mail that day and could get a jump on any fraud that might be happening.

  12. Authentication by XXongo · · Score: 3, Informative

    What prevents me from entering in any random address?

    "knowledge based authentication".

    They ask you a question that, supposedly, only the resident of the address can answer. Krebs says that this is pretty weak security.

    Article didn't say what kind of question that is, but a hint comes from the fact that if you freeze your Equifax credit rating, they can't ask the question. So it seems to be something that Equifax knows.

    Do they send a postcard to the address stating "your mail is being monitored" ??

    Didn't you read the article? That was the whole point: no, they don't.

    1. Re:Authentication by archer,+the · · Score: 1

      One more reason to freeze one's credit. Everyone should freeze their credit, and only unlock it for those few days when one actually needs it.

    2. Re:Authentication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Article didn't say what kind of question that is, but a hint comes from the fact that if you freeze your Equifax credit rating, they can't ask the question. So it seems to be something that Equifax knows.

      If it's anything like what my bank uses to verify my identity, the answers are derived from flawed interpretations of your credit history and overly specific details that nobody remembers, making it impossible for the actual person to answer them correctly. "What industry did you work in 10 years ago?" (You think IT because you worked for an IT staffing company, they think civil service because you were contracted out to a government agency.) "On what day of the week did you open a credit card account with XYZ bank?" (Or something similarly obscure that nobody could be expected to remember.) So not to worry, this should be totally secure unless the person trying to get access has a copy of your credit report handy and there's no way they could possibly get that...

    3. Re:Authentication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just went through the activation process. It pulls a set of questions from your credit report history (what county/street/phone numbers is associated with you) to verify identity.

    4. Re:Authentication by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      I updated my address online to be my current one. It didn't ask any questions, but I did receive an email letting me know changes had been made to my profile.

      I'll wait to see if I get a post-card or something. I know when I created a Forward-my-mail request the Postmaster in my new town sent me a postcard asking Who Lives Here Now? So that they don't start rejecting mail etc.

      But apparently the online edition isn't tied to it as I could, until the other day, still see scanned mail at my old address.

  13. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Single-house locked mail boxes do exist. Here is one. They basically function just like the classic blue bins that you drop mail at and later the USPS picks up from.

  14. Re:How? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    USPS has special locks that you can buy an assortment of mailboxes with already installed it if you're handy you could buy the locking mechanism and install it your self, I'm sure that would depend on the type of box you have but its still possible. You don't think they carry a special key for every apartment complex do you?

  15. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost all new housing developments in the past decade or two (single family homes) have centralized boxes with keys. I've seen multiple news stories on thieves cracking them open to get to mail for all the residents. Post Office has some stronger structures they can deploy. But then the thieves get bigger hammers. And yes the feds do scan every piece of mail for years to try to backtrack package bombs etc.

  16. Re:How? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    You mean just like how they can't lock postal drop boxes?

    They sell mailboxes that operate the same way. You put the mail in, it drops down to a place that you can unlock.

  17. Re:How? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "Single-house locked mail boxes do exist. "

    Yes, the rest of the planet uses them exclusively.

  18. I know it's not culturally ok anymore... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...but we need to actually consider REALLY PUNISHING people?

    I mean, these identity thieves, assuming they're of the vanishingly small % that ever get caught or prosecuted, are going to spend maybe 18 months in a relatively cushy orange-is-the-new-black low security facility?:

    How is that IN ANY WAY a deterrent? It wouldn't be to me, if I decided that's how I wanted to make $.

    And remember, jail isn't just about rehabilitating people (personally, i don't think you can; you can teach them to constrain their behaviors, but the behaviors/drives are still there), it's about PUNISHING and DETERRING crime.

    Maybe we should take a nod from Hammurabi: if you're clearly convicted of this, cut off a hand. I guarantee you the incidence would drop.

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    1. Re:I know it's not culturally ok anymore... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't punish people anymore because certain racial/ethnic groups are over-represented in those punishments. As a society we have decided, whether the person is guilty or not is irrelevant. Instead, if it turns out that a certain racial/ethnic group ends up being punished more often than others, it cannot possibly be that members of those groups are actually over-represented in those crimes. It MUST be institutional racism, and therefore the racist enforcement/punishment must end.

    2. Re:I know it's not culturally ok anymore... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      You can't put anyone in jail for this because the jails are full of drug criminals with mandatory minimum sentences. These aren't violent crimes or drug crimes so they are typically released from prison immediately due to overcrowding. On top of this it's a very low priority for law enforcement because there is no property they can seize and then keep the money for themselves like drug crimes.

      Until the war on drugs ends and the perverse system of justice it's created is abolished you won't solve this problem. Cops are interested in crime that isn't easy to solve and they don't get a kickback from, drug crime does.

    3. Re:I know it's not culturally ok anymore... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I hate when my fingers miss the contraction.

      Cops are NOT interested in crime that isn't easy to solve and they don't get a kickback from, drug crime does.

    4. Re:I know it's not culturally ok anymore... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      So lock up and execute more white people.

  19. Re:How? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    More recently, the USPS has started retaining these images for a period of time. This has, for instance, been helpful in law enforcement - see the recent case of Cesar Sayoc.

    The answer is that the data is being handed off to the DHS or similar...

    But I don't know how long the images are kept for,

    ...and therefore it is being stored forever and ever, amen.

    or what other legitimate uses there may be for it.

    There's no end of potential legitimate uses for that data. There's also no end of potential illegitimate ones, either. Sadly, the feds will store it for all eternity, so that it can be used by friend and foe alike.

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  20. Re:How? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    I'd be happy if the mail carrier would just close the fucking mailbox when it's raining. She somehow manages to close it when it's not raining, so I presume she just does it for spite.

    Nothing like soaking wet mail stuffed in a box when you've been out of town for a week. I have complained, but that seems to make it worse. They all look out for each other.

  21. Re:How? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    I'd just attach a spring to close it.

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  22. Re:How? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Lol, it would never make it.

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  23. Simple incompetence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The program clearly needs:

    To either require an in person (with ID) sign up at a brick and mortar POST OFFICE or b) a Certified Mail Receipt delivered by a post man.

    Otherwise they are just helping ID thieves to steal rather than preventing it.

  24. They don't even give you photos of all your mail. by gaiageek · · Score: 1

    As far as the daily email showing your coming mail is concerned, it only shows a portion of it. If you want to see all the photos they have of your mail you have to log in to their website, which IMO misses the point of getting an email showing your incoming mail in the first place. And even if you log in, they often only have photos for half your incoming mail (at our place anyway).

    Given that they've also started embedding ads in with the daily email, the service has been losing its appeal to me -- which sucks because in principle it's a very good idea.

  25. Cost of delivery != Price paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the cost of delivery has nothing to do with the price paid.
    I like that USPS mail is cheaper to send/receive for letters. I'd be willing to have mail to the house 50% less - every other day.

    Bad international agreements for subsidized international mail.
    A $1.50 electronic part can be shipped from China to the USA for $1.86 total, in a $0.65 padded envelope. Inside the USA, the real delivery cost would be $3+, just for the mail, not the part, package, tracking, etc.
     

  26. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've been doing it since the 9/11 anthrax attacks. Most people have forgotten about those, but they pushed the post office into upgrading their systems to be able to track every thing. At least this slippery slope had a good reason behind it.

  27. Re: How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the trusting 1970s i remember rural mailboxes had a pulley and weight to keep the box closed. But now my parents just keep a PO box in town (and i send packages to my sister instead, cos couriers hate PO boxes).

  28. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The majority of rural delivery boxes can't be locked, because the rural carrier would not be able to open them to deliver mail.

    Why would the carrier need to unlock to box to push envelopes through the slot? Mine's been doing that for years and never complained about it being particularly challenging. Maybe yours needs remedial training.

  29. Inaccurate headlinr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should have read. Latin invaders are exploiting the USPS to steal the identity of US citizens so they can take over.

    Undocumented migration is the same thing as an invasion. The strong inevitably replace the weak. White and black Americans will be replaced by brown Americans. This is the way of nature. Blacks and whites have been brainwashed into believing it is Noble to let another people take their land and Holmes. I imagine that when the Europeans were taking over the red skinned Americans they told them some shit like it is racist to oppose the usurping of you culture in favor of European culture

  30. Song: Harry the mailman [Re:How?] by buzz_mccool · · Score: 1
    (Sung to the tune of Frosty the Snowman)

    Harry the mailman brings us letters soaked with rain,
    Jambs the box so full that the mail is crushed,
    and then laughs when we complain.

    Charlie the milkman is the biggest slob in town,
    Seldom leaves the quarts that we've asked him for,
    and when he does, they're upside-down

    11 months throughout the year
    they're as lousy as can be,
    but starting December they work with great efficiency.
    Charlie and Harry really show they're full of zip
    Then they work that way,
    every doggone day,
    'till they get their Christmas tip!

    (Mad magazine circa 1975)

  31. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Single-house locked mail boxes do exist. "

    Yes, the rest of the planet uses them exclusively.

    Yeah, in the US having one of those is code for "You should steal this entire mailbox"

  32. Mocking police... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but we need to actually consider REALLY PUNISHING people?

    I had a neighbor once who had dropped a check in a mailbox on the corner. Thieves had put a device on it to let them intercept the mail. They took the check and changed ti to be made out to "Angel Batista" and cashed it.

    I am willing to guess that if the cops had realized they were being openly mocked, they would have gone ahead and tracked the responsible party down and started REALLY PUNISHING people. :)

    (Angel Batista is the good cop on the television show Dexter.)

  33. Re: How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then move out of your crime infested, meth ravaged, rural community to a civilized location. Or, here is a thought, clean up your community. Or just put out a fake box with a bear trap inside.

  34. Thanks, USPS by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I didn’t even know this “service” existed. I just signed up for it - not because I want it, but because I didn’t want somebody else to sign up in my place. I’ll probably never look at it.

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  35. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes rural mailbox that are lockable do indeed exist and have been for many years, they all have a slot in the front for the mailman to insert the letters/notices. Mailboxes for as long as I can remember have a little hole in the "lip" you grab to open them it was made for a lock to be used if desired, but as time progressed they started installing simple cheap locks in them. Even with old mailboxes that don't have a slot can still be locked all you have to do is give the mailman a key.

  36. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have more of a problem with kids riding down the road and throwing empty beer bottle at them.

  37. These criminals have competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years back, I ran out of checks and went to a local post office, purchased a postal money order, filled it all out then mailed it at the counter, and it never made it out if that post office. ...and the cherry on top, in filing my lost claim, I had to wait the 30-60 days to even file it. These identity thieves have competition with some rogue Post office workers.

  38. Re:How? by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    Then the mail carrier will destroy your mailbox out of spite.