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Wildfire Devastates California Town of Paradise (apnews.com)
A number of readers have shared this report: Tens of thousands of people fled a fast-moving wildfire Thursday in Northern California, some clutching babies and pets as they abandoned vehicles and struck out on foot ahead of the flames that forced the evacuation of an entire town and destroyed hundreds of structures. "Pretty much the community of Paradise is destroyed, it's that kind of devastation," said Cal Fire Capt. Scott McLean late Thursday. "The wind that was predicted came and just wiped it out."
McLean estimated that a couple of thousand structures were destroyed in the town of 27,000 residents about 180 miles (290 kilometers) northeast of San Francisco, where residents scrambled to flee. The extent of the injuries and specific damage count was not immediately known as officials could not access the dangerous area.
McLean estimated that a couple of thousand structures were destroyed in the town of 27,000 residents about 180 miles (290 kilometers) northeast of San Francisco, where residents scrambled to flee. The extent of the injuries and specific damage count was not immediately known as officials could not access the dangerous area.
The original people of California didnt live there because they learned the cycle of wildfires made the area UNSAFE FOR HABITATION. When will the Morans of Amerikuka learn this?
A map of the extent of the fire is here: https://wildfiretoday.com/2018...
can we now call it Paradise Lost?
About a year ago, California governor channeled his inner Westboro-church pastor and warned Trump of "Divine Wrath":
How funny is it, then, that it is his own State — which hates Trump by an overwhelming majority — that's suffering the most of this wrath?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The original people of California didnt live there because they learned the cycle of wildfires made the area UNSAFE FOR HABITATION.
Pre-Europeans, that part of CA was part of the Maidu territory, I believe-- the Konkow people, I would guess.
Why do you think they didn't live in that particular part of the mountainside?
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the tube now delivers 5 pages of 5 year old stuff from bangladesh... so i know whats going on there sort of..
I'm sure we won't hear a peep from 45. He hates California and hates the reality of global warming and its effects. He has hardly mentioned any of the devastating wildfires we've had out here in the past 2 years. He only cares about his egotistical agenda.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
So this is terrible news, but why is this on Slashdot?
A big part of what's making these wild fires so bad is that California cut funding for controlled burns and other forest management techniques you need to do during a drought.
I saw this in my city too. We cut the sanitation budget, including the funds for the guys that go around clearing debris from the storm drains. Sure enough first really big storm floods the whole city.
I've said it before and I will say it again: The government doesn't waste nearly as much money as people think. When you start demanding substantial cuts this is what happens.
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like New Orleans before it (yes, there are ways to build levies that would have prevented the Bush Jr era flood, the Dutch have them). The news to me is we let a town burn down in 2018 when we have technological means (controlled burns and the like) to stop it.
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No dumb bitch, you get wildfires even in places with controlled burns, and when the wind whips up to 60 mph and it's dry you get fires, RETARDED FAT REPUBLICAN CHILDREN LOL. How can you possibly be this retarded?
Hippies probably steal your lunch money daily. God damn I love dumb Republicans, easiest inbred nazi marks in the world.
From doing their job and clearing out the deadwood. Plenty of dry timber.
Nothing of importance was lost.
RETARDED FAT REPUBLICAN CHILDREN LOL. How can you possibly be this retarded?
Right? And they're everywhere. It's absolutely disgusting.
You should absolutely stay in California, where you're safe from these goosestepping Nazis.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
No dumb bitch, you get wildfires even in places with controlled burns, and when the wind whips up to 60 mph and it's dry you get fires, RETARDED FAT REPUBLICAN CHILDREN LOL. How can you possibly be this retarded?
Hippies probably steal your lunch money daily. God damn I love dumb Republicans, easiest inbred nazi marks in the world.
Where did it say they were Republican? In Washington State the "Democrats" are waking up to controlled burning. Be careful, your ignorance is showing.
So if it was in Marin it would be important enough to be on the site? Class is the key?
I'm not sure about "class," but apparently the fire makes the news simply because it's a town, not, say, an apartment building
Yes, I'd say magnitude makes a difference. A house burning down doesn't make slashdot. An apartment building burning down doesn't make slashdot. A dozen other wildfires in California didn't make slashtod. Why should this one? Are we interested in fires now?
that's the real trouble liberals have. Yes, there are cases where logging companies have misused forestry policy to cut trees that didn't need cutting. But that doesn't make make the funding cuts for fire safety any less real.
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Climate Change is affecting all of us, right now.
The increased intensity of the fires in the west in the last 10 years or so is just an example.
No one event, even a wildfire, is really attributable to climate change. Climate change is a long term thing.
In the long term, climate change is exacerbating drought in central California. But it is an effect that manifests over decades, and it is only one of many, many effects that are exacerbating wildfires in CA. (To be fair, many of these other effects are also human related.)
In this particular case, a wildfire in the area isn't even all that particularly notable; it's just the fact that it hit a city that gets it in the news. Otherwise, it's just one more wildfire in an area with wildfires.
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Cut it down then compost it. Zero waste, large firebreaks, problem solved. If there's fuel near your structure, remove it. That simple, but people crave the pretty.
Alternate option, suck up the loss in square footage and build firePROOF, not merely resistant, structures. Reinforced concrete is wonderful stuff and dome structures can also be storm proof. Repeating unwise choices won't get different results.
This is how you solve the problem:
https://www.npr.org/2015/08/26...
Note the steel building next to the dome. No eaves to trap flammables and sparks bounce off. Not suited to protecting humans but fine for equipment.
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What I'm saying is that 45 could at least bring the tragedy up, tell the people of Paradise that their country will do what they can to help... in times of devastation it is comforting to know that a leader is taking time to at least ACKNOWLEDGE what's going on. He is not, and has not.
Well, maybe that's fair. Obama did: https://www.chicagotribune.com...
Donald, on the other hand, seems to be more interested in cancelling regulations: https://observer.com/2017/10/t...
He is tweeting, though! He says environmental laws are the problem! https://newrepublic.com/articl... But environmental laws are not the problem https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/07...
He says that water is the problem! https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/07... Although turns out water is not the problem: https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
Where's the shit lord moron from a day or two ago who claimed CA doesn't have many disasters?
this is the problem with America today. When a tragedy takes some effort to avoid we just throw up our hands and say "Welp, nothing we can do about it".
It's like Gun Control. The stuff the left is suggesting ("assault weapon" bans and banning high capacity mags) won't work. There was just a case of a 61 year old guy with dementia who got shot by cops coming to take his guns (literally pried from his cold, dead hands). But then we've got the right wing saying it's OK for a guy with a long history of beating his wife to be armed to the teeth. It's a really, really hard problem to solve. But we mostly just give up, and when we do do something there's so much fighting over it that we do the wrong thing.
We as a country need to agree that problems can be solved and tragedy can be averted. That old man didn't have to die, and neither did the latest round of 12 shot at a bar. That town didn't have to burn down, and New Orleans didn't have to drown. We put a man on the moon, we can keep one old man from being shot by cops and we can keep towns and cities from being wrecked.
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Excuse me sir, but your comment really makes you sound like a selfish, raging asshole; was that your intention? At last report 70000 acres have been decimated,
A total of 7,299 fires have burned an area of 1,548,814 acres in CA so far this year, and there's almost two months yet to go. So, the 70,000 acres in Paradise are worth reporting but I guess the other 1,478,814 acres weren't?
an uncounted number of structures (including more or less the entire town of Paradise) and I'm sure there have been human deaths;
None reported in the news.
yet you say this is all 'unimportant' somehow?
One fire among many. It's important, but no more important than the Mendocino Complex fire in July (459,123 acres), or the Carr fire, which burned from mid July through August 30th.
It's not where *I* live therefore it's unimportant That's what you sound like; again: was that your intention? Perhaps you'd like to consider walking back your comment
Nope.
before someone gets the wrong idea about you, friend.
Lots of people have many silly ideas.
They can't cut it down or do controlled burns for various legal reasons.
They can't cut it down because in order to do so they have to prove beyond the shadow of doubt that no endangered species would be harmed or lose their habitat as a result.
They can't do controlled burns because a controlled burn can't meet California's emissions requirements for forestry management. It took 14 years to get a permit for the last controlled burn.
All of the recent wildfires would not have even happened if the forestry commission were allowed to conduct routine controlled burns.
The corageous undocumented guest workers are lighting fires to drive the privileged white oligarchs out of land that rightfully belongs to brown people from South America. Once the last white cracker has been burnt to a crisp can we finally establish the new liberal tollerant on the west coast on New America.
Kill whitey. End the Trump oligarchy. Let's burn California to the ground
an uncounted number of structures (including more or less the entire town of Paradise) and I'm sure there have been human deaths;
None reported in the news.
OK, the news has now reported five deaths. I withdraw that statement.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-camp-fire-20181109-story.html
What an odious small-souled git thou art, XXongo.
There is no such thing as a firebreak large enough to stop a wildfire. The fires we had in PNW this summer jumped across the Columbia river in an area where it's half a mile wide! When you have a big fire in dry, windy conditions, there will be burning embers flying in the air for miles. Clearing your yard is just not going to make a difference. Trees are less likely to catch on fire than a wood structure anyway, because of the water content in living trees. Fireproof materials may well be the only "solution", but it's not really affordable.
If there's fuel near your structure, remove it. That simple, but people crave the pretty.
You are ignorant as to how far a large fire can spread across a fuel gap, and likewise ignorant of what it is to be "fuel". No I do not crave pretty. I also don't crave the fact that my neighbour's house is 10m away from me, none the less I know that during hot dry and windy conditions if his house is on fire there's no amount of land clearing and composting that will save my house, which is precisely why fire departments aim a hose at the things that are not currently on fire while also fighting the fire.
"Just another day in Paradise!"
There's more to do also. Make sure vents on the outside of your home are covered with a screen mesh. Often sparks get blown along in the wind and get get inside the attic that way. This is how these big fires spread past fire breaks and into homes during the Sonoma fires.
we put a man on the moon, I think we can keep a town or two from burning down. Seriously, what happened to America's can do attitude? What happened to seeing a problem and then solving it?
As other folks on the forum pointed out, you just need to clear the dead tree matter. It's laborious and expensive, but that's it. It means money, and that means taxes. Probably taxes paid by the folks not living there, since a small town near a forest can't afford to protect themselves. Maybe in 20, 30 years that small town becomes a city. That's what economic growth is. We all support each other and that way the country grows and prospers.
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So dissapointed in this community over this. It was not global warming. Power outage just before the fire, in the location of the fire. High wind condition. A series of canyons to guide the fire. I work on and off in paradise. Most of town is gone. People are dead and you shitheads wanna get political racial and push an agenda.