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Were Russian Hackers Deterred From Interfering In America's Election? (omaha.com)

"Despite probing and trolling, a Russian cyberattack is the dog that did not bark in Tuesday's midterm elections," writes national security columnist Eli Lake. This is the assessment of the Department of Homeland Security, which says there were no signs of a coordinated campaign to disrupt U.S. voting. This welcome news raises a relevant and important question: Were cyber adversaries actually deterred from infiltrating voter databases and changing election results...?

In September the White House unveiled a new policy aimed at deterring Russia, China, Iran and North Korea from hacking U.S. computer networks in general and the midterms in particular. National security adviser John Bolton acknowledged as much last week when he said the U.S. government was undertaking "offensive cyber operations" aimed at "defending the integrity of our electoral process." There aren't many details. Reportedly this entailed sending texts, pop-ups, emails and direct messages warning Russian trolls and military hackers not to disrupt the midterms. U.S. officials tell me much more is going on that remains classified. It is part of a new approach from the Trump administration that purports to unleash U.S. Cyber Command to hack the hackers back, to fight them in their networks as opposed to America's.

Bolton has said the policy reverses previous restrictions on military hackers to disrupt the networks from which rival powers attack the U.S. Sometimes this is called "persistent engagement" or "defend forward." And it represents a shift in the broader U.S. approach to engaging adversaries in cyberspace.... The difference now is that America's cyber warriors will routinely try to disrupt cyberattacks before they begin... The object of cyberdeterrence is not to get an adversary to never use cyberweapons. It's to prevent attacks of certain critical systems such as voter registration databases, electrical grids and missile command-and-control systems. The theory, at least, is to force adversaries to devote resources they would otherwise use to attack the U.S. to better secure their own networks.

Jason Healey, a historian of cyber conflicts at Columbia University's School for International and Public Affairs, asks "How much of cyberspace will survive the war?" warning that "persistent engagement" could lead to a dangerous miscalculation by an adversarial nation-state -- or even worse, a spiral of escalation, with other state's following America's lead, changing the open Internet into more of a battleground.

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  1. Uh-huh by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Funny

    National security adviser John Bolton acknowledged as much last week when he said the U.S. government was undertaking "offensive cyber operations" aimed at "defending the integrity of our electoral process." There aren't many details. Reportedly this entailed sending texts, pop-ups, emails and direct messages warning Russian trolls and military hackers not to disrupt the midterms.

    Clearly, Russian trolls' and military hackers' personal kryptonite is US government pop-ups and direct warning messages.... Just the one question: why did we wait until this election cycle to break out the big guns?

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    1. Re:Uh-huh by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Clearly, Russian trolls' and military hackers' personal kryptonite is US government pop-ups and direct warning messages

      I imagine a text to a burner phone you think is secure would scare most of people. And since Russia is starting to play shadow war assassination games, they might worry about being targeted.

      Perhaps, if the target were within the jurisdiction of US authorities, but the interference is at the very least State-approved and quite likely State-sponsored... just as similar programs in the US, China, and all the rest of the nations sitting on the UN Security Council and even many of those who do not.

      On the plus side, it's an improvement over thousands of years of seeking advantage through conventional warfare. This is modern day influence peddling... winning the hearts and minds with minimal body bags returning your sons home.

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    2. Re:Uh-huh by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

      You'd have to ask Obama. However the answer would be that the establishment thought it could never lose and taking a hardline stance would mean that Hillary couldn't whip out another reset button after the election since the first worked so well.

  2. No need this time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dims had it all:
    - Fake news collusion
    - Ballot stuffing
    - Illegal votes

  3. We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by AbRASiON · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The far left and the media have been beating this drum for multiple years.

    If one were to take all the claims at face value, you would think that there's Russians in the bloody toaster. They're everywhere! Doing all the bad things, they ran the election, they hacked servers, "they" are every single account on social media that doesn't mean heavily left.

    If you disagree with anything, you're not real, probably a Russian bot! Or a Nazi, clearly!

    They wonder why people are voting differently to how they actually poll publically...
    As an ex far lefty, they're getting downright embarrassing.

    Posting from Moscow,.... Obviously.

    1. Re:We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Funny how things change. In my youth, it was the right that was playing the scary Russian threat card. Remember McCarthy?

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    2. Re:We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. You'd think the American left would have much more in common with the former Communists in Russia than anybody on the right.

      The Democrats didn't really need any Russian help this time. They're quite capable of stealing elections all by themselves, as we are witnessing right now in Florida. Oh, look we just "found" some more ballots in the supply closet! And here are some more in the trunk of this car!

    3. Re:We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by Z80a · · Score: 3, Informative

      If i was the russian government trying to push the republicans, i would just secretly fund the antifa.
      Those boys do wonders to ruin the reputation of the democrats.

    4. Re:We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by Z80a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the beauty, they glue to the democrats like weird headcrabs and then go to the streets and do all sorts of vandalism, violence and general thuggery, and this paint the dems with a bad picture, and those can't disavow the antifa because it will call em nazis until they yield.

    5. Re:We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      Just curious - are the US military and intelligence services part of the far left?

      I'm not denying things were sensationalized but it seems like the response to this was to basically deny it's happening at all.

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    6. Re:We are so sick of the Russian boogeyman. by Livius · · Score: 2

      The possibility of Russian interference certainly shouldn't be ignored, but since 2016 it's just been an excuse for the Democrats to avoid asking themselves hard questions about how they alienated so many voters.

      Seriously, they lost to Donald Trump! If that's not a wake-up call I don't know what is.

  4. Motivation by Gavagai80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Russia had no significant motivation to hack the midterm elections. They're not republicans. They supported Trump to a degree as a practical matter because they have a degree of hold over him. Their ad buys have mostly been centered around stirring up hatred between Americans via conspiracy theories, not about supporting one party or the other. A split government is really the best for them. All that matters is that we keep attacking each other until we're not longer a threat to them.

    To be clear, I don't begrudge Russia for it considering how much worse the CIA has done around the world. It's not like they're going after an innocent nation. What Russia is doing is simply trying to weaken a nation which has insisted on making a mission of prying satellite states out of Russia's sphere of influence and promoting democracy to Russia itself. If the USA didn't make a career of threatening Russia, it wouldn't be targeted.

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    1. Re:Motivation by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      We should all hail the day that nations dispatch their tribalism and TLAs like America's CIA, Russia's KGB, Britain's MI6, France's DGSE, & ad infinitum are unnecessary in a perfect world of international cooperation.

      If the USA didn't make a career of threatening Russia, it wouldn't be targeted.

      Hmmm... Like when, during the Kennedy administration, the US threatened Russia when they deployed ballistic missiles in Cuba?

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    2. Re:Motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually Kennedy did when he deployed missiles to turkey and they retaliated with cuban missiles, but lets not let facts stand in the way of politics.

    3. Re:Motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Like when, during the Kennedy administration, the US threatened Russia when they deployed ballistic missiles in Cuba?

      Exactly like that, actually. Those missiles were in response to American missiles in Turkey.
      The whole point of deploying to Cuba was as a bargaining chip for the removal of the missiles in Turkey, which is exactly how the ordeal played out.

      As a general rule, citing history works better when you actually know the history.

  5. No proof by manu0601 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First we are said without proof that Russians made the 2016 presidential elections. Then we are told without proof that they were stopped from influencing the 2018 midterm elections.

    Alternative explanation: Russians try to influence all US elections with negligible impact, and democrats lost in 2016 because they chose the wrong candidate.

    1. Re:No proof by kenwd0elq · · Score: 2

      Your "alternative explanation" is almost certainly correct. The Russians excel at only two things; vodka and psyops. They spawn hate and discontent by lying to both parties, and trying to aggravate divisions. I'm sure they're deliriously happy with their recent successes.

  6. Russia by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Was super expert last time but not expert this time?
    Time to look for another cyber story?

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  7. All we have to fear ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... is America itself.

    I'm a 72 year old retired IT guy and it's all I can do to minimize my goddam footprint on this goddam Internet.

    I'm not afraid of obvious threats. What scares me is the boiling frog.

    Advertisers are the water and we are the frogs.

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  8. Trump didn't win this time by Jarwulf · · Score: 2

    So that means there was no interference. Just like nobody ever interfered with our elections in all of history and fake news didn't exist until 2016.

    1. Re:Trump didn't win this time by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Informative

      2016 was the watershed year when the mainstream media finally dropped the mask and came out as full-throated political partisans. They openly supported the most corrupt candidate for President in American history. Their treatment of Trump was unprecedented in its hostility. The media live in an echo chamber where they think that they are loved and adored by the population. They believe they are the final authority on truth and that we, their grateful audience, should believe everything they tell us.

      "The Times completely missed the story, and misled its readers in the process." Source: New York Times.

      Wikileaks detailing how the Democrats are coordinating with the media. Organization after organization, CNN, McClatchy, Time, WSJ, the list goes on and on. How do any of these people still have jobs after being exposed like this?

      Look at all these respected journalists express surprise, dismay, and a total lack of understanding that Hillary lost. They even admit it: "I genuinely do not understand America."

      CBS's John Dickerson: Donald Trump Didn't Ruin the Press's Reputation, We Did That Ourselves

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