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YouTube CEO Says EU's Proposed Copyright Regulation Financially Impossible (googleblog.com)

YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki has again hit out at proposed new European Union copyright rules which she claims is impossible for a platform like YouTube to comply with, and if done so, could harm the creative industries. Wojcicki said the European Parliament's vote in favor of an overhaul to copyright law two months ago is "unrealistic" because owners often disagree on who owns the rights to online material. In a blog post, she wrote: Take the global music hit "Despacito." This video contains multiple copyrights, ranging from sound recording to publishing rights. Although YouTube has agreements with multiple entities to license and pay for the video, some of the rights holders remain unknown. That uncertainty means we might have to block videos like this to avoid liability under article 13. Multiply that risk with the scale of YouTube, where more than 400 hours of video are uploaded every minute, and the potential liabilities could be so large that no company could take on such a financial risk.

The consequences of article 13 go beyond financial losses. EU residents are at risk of being cut off from videos that, in just the last month, they viewed more than 90bn times. Those videos come from around the world, including more than 35m EU channels, and they include language classes and science tutorials as well as music videos. We welcome the chance to work with policymakers and the industry to develop a solution within article 13 that protects rights holders while also allowing the creative economy to thrive. This could include more comprehensive licensing agreements, collaboration with rights holders to identify who owns what, and smart rights management technology, similar to Content ID.

142 comments

  1. That's fine by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    YouTube can just block all of the EU and watch the hilarity.

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    1. Re:That's fine by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's as if millions of cats cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

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    2. Re:That's fine by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Funny

      YouTube can just block all of the EU and watch the hilarity.

      I have a better idea.

      Create servers for EU IP ranges.

      Fully license and redirect every video link to a certain Rick Astley video with an announcement to contact the EU if they have any problems with copyright protection.

    3. Re:That's fine by Z80a · · Score: 1

      I don't know it can is the operative word here.
      It's probably more of a must.

    4. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the EU can just block youtube, and watch the hilarity of Google Execs try to comply to get back into that market before someone else does.

      there is a significant value in first entrany marketshare for such sites, whereby without compelling reason -- people will keep defaulting to what they know and 'love'.

    5. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, if Google is not willing to earn less in the EU another company will be more than happy to take its market share. We're not talking about closing youtube.sz here...

    6. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to see that happening... And then some random company will pop-up and take all of Google's market share in one of the most lucrative place in the world.

    7. Re:That's fine by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Add a video clip before all content allowed in the EU with a spoken language message that the video is approved for viewing in the EU.
      In all EU languages with text before the video begins.
      Place that before all content now allowed to be played in the EU.
      With the correct legal framework quoted in full in each EU member nation language.
      Let every EU nation enjoy its full online EU legal compliance while the rest of the free world enjoys content.
      So EU viewers know the results they have been allowed to search for is legal and contains EU approved political content.

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    8. Re:That's fine by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      The EU would fold long before YouTube. Imagine the constant stream of hate the politicians would get,

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    9. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly. Do you have any idea how impossible it would be to start to replace YouTube? You would need a computer, and an ISP with a fat internet pipe....
      And maybe another computer later when the first gets busy. I mean its not like you can just set up a load balancer, a data store and shuffle between thousands of cloud based VMs to distribute it all... Oh wait. You can.

    10. Re:That's fine by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The EU would fold long before YouTube. Imagine the constant stream of hate the politicians would get,

      Not a problem. The EU is working to block that too.

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    11. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who is paying for all of these cloud instances?

      It's a chicken and egg problem.

      Go ahead and setup a video service, let's see how far you get.

    12. Re: That's fine by sjames · · Score: 1

      Then as it gets started it will trip over an IP landmine and die.

    13. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, we can then proceed to listen to everlasting playlist of over 75 year old Chansons from FM radio. Even if we are not French.

    14. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's gonna pay ?
      Microsoft
      Amazon
      Facebook
      Or any company big enough to try to fuck Google on the EU market.

    15. Re:That's fine by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      YouTube can just block all of the EU and watch the hilarity.

      As someone who wants to watch Google fail I say DO IT! Go on, DO IT.

      The funny thing about trying to block a good portion of the wealthy west is that shareholders don't think too highly of the move. Even funnier if you're an advertisement company since your actual source of revenue doesn't think highly of it either.

    16. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that sounds easy. You should totally start that business

    17. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may think that. But EU patriots are getting about as stubborn as US patriots can get. And you probably know yourself how fruitful of an endeavour it can be to try and sway the opinions of such people.

    18. Re: That's fine by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      In a related story, VPN companies' stock prices should be shooting up soon.

    19. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Block the EU from the Internet! Save us all....

    20. Re: That's fine by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Wtf is an EU patriot? Someone who believes that all of Europe should be under the iron fist of unelected elites? Do such people still exist? I thought we got rid of them in WW2 ...

    21. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a different breed. These people learned from the US. And they want the EU to be something like the US in terms of economic and military power and independence - the United States of Europe if you will. Look at the recent political events that went down last weekend in Europe.
      There's been voices from the US that demanded Europe to become more self reliant in terms of military for a long time, Trump among them. And now, if the EU wants to do just that, it's suddenly treasonous behaviour.

    22. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this insightful? Google will never walk away from a market that big and the EU knows it. If Google threatened to do so everyone would laugh in their faces. That's what having zero leverage is like. Oh, they'll put up a fight with lobbying and courts while it's still cheaper than complying, but in the end they'll obediently toe the line. Just look at what they are doing in China.

    23. Re: That's fine by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      This is a different breed. These people learned from the US. And they want the EU to be something like the US in terms of economic and military power and independence - the United States of Europe if you will.

      Without elected officials and the protection of basic rights? Sounds more like they learned it from Germany or Italy.

      There's been voices from the US that demanded Europe to become more self reliant in terms of military for a long time, Trump among them. And now, if the EU wants to do just that, it's suddenly treasonous behaviour.

      No clue where you got that idea from. Who the fuck was talking about the military, let alone treason? Can you try to stick to the discussion at hand rather than bringing in random paranoid delusions?

    24. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Implying the fascist of WW2 and calling people paranoid is sticking to the discussion.
      And you wonder where people get those ideas from.

    25. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's what I would do. The EU is run by a gang of unelected bureaucracts which have been eroding the free market for decades.

      And they want to export that shit worldwide.

      Nothing but Marxism in another guise.

    26. Re: That's fine by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I assume in your country the civil servants are all elected then.

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    27. Re: That's fine by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      In my country unelected civil servants don't impose laws and regulations on elected officials.

    28. Re:That's fine by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Shareholders would demand YouTube folds first. And probably fire Wojcicki for such a ridiculous gambit.

      She is just trying to scare politicians. I've read the rules, they require less than what YouTube is already doing. YouTube has it's Content ID system that filters uploads based on rightsholder claims.

      YouTube just doesn't want a legal mandate to use this filter, it prefers to negotiate from a position of strength with rightsholders over what will be allowed. Wojcicki doesn't want the balance of power shifted.

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    29. Re: That's fine by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      ORLY? Pray tell me, who exactly elects the supreme court judges?

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    30. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The proposition states that automated blocking of content should be avoided. Copyright disputes for unjustified removal of content must be subject to human review.
      Maybe this is the part that is really bugging YouTube. Because if you have to hire people who do these things, that'll cost you a lot of money.
      Although if they do that within the EU it would cement their position there. Having employees that pay income taxes, maybe pay them enough money that if they'd lose their job, it would mean trouble for their families, and you've the probably best political leverage a private corporation can get in the EU (or the US).

    31. Re: That's fine by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There are many European video platforms. But guess what, they have the same copyright problems YouTube has, maybe even more so because they can't even claim that the video is actually hosted abroad, and hence the stuff they supply is mostly useless.

      The only thing that would happen is that people either start using VPN services or switch to browsers with built-in VPN services altogether.

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    32. Re:That's fine by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The EU would be VERY dumb to do that. YouTube is basically the Cute Cat of digital activism.

      Shut down access to YouTube is the start signal for Europeans to get VPN access to VPN servers outside the EU. And as soon as this happens, the EU can as well stuff any law concerning the internet (along with their precious "anti-hate-speech" bullshit) in their pipe and smoke it, since nobody would even notice that they did.

      All that really would accomplish is that any interesting and thus profitable online resources would be found outside the EU, outside EU jurisdiction and most of all, outside of any area where the EU would get tax revenue from it.

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    33. Re:That's fine by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's funny that so many people think YouTube committing suicide is the best solution here.

      Back in the real world if they really think it's that bad they will just go to court to argue it like adults, or find some way of passing the cost on.

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    34. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets face it who lives in EU those days? Terrorists only, lets block them

    35. Re: That's fine by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The Governor General appoints them in consultation with the Prime Minister. I don't see the relevance. You seem to be confused about what the supreme court does.

    36. Re: That's fine by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Really? In every common law country a court imposes their interpretation of the laws and regulations upon everyone (contrast this with a civil law country where previous court cases can, but don't have to be considered) and a supreme court decision is final and binding. Yet the judges are appointed, not elected.

      So why exactly do you have a problem with the european commission - the only appointed body of the european union - even though it cannot actually impose any laws? Their job is roughly comparable to cabinet of ministers, about the only thing they can do with the laws and regulations is proposing new ones to the council and the parliament. Maybe you are the one who are confused?

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    37. Re: That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they do exist.

      The US did such a good job at getting rid of them that they had to force laws that banned Nazi symbols. And forced laws that made holocaust denial illegal.
      Both of which are the foundation of EU censorship of today.

      Before that freedom of speech was the highest basic human right in most countries. This is also the reason why nobody stopped Hitler in his demagogic speeches. It was all perfectly legal and protected speech no matter how much hate he spewed.

      And you even did such a fine job allowing a good number of these "very fine people" in your very own country today.


      But I have to be fair. The current situation isn't entirely the fault of US foreign policies of the past. Nazism mostly flourished in Soviet occupied parts of Europe. The US certainly helped the ravaged parts of Europe and Germany to rebuild and allowed growth, while Soviets raped the shit out of everything they could get their hands on.

      If the US didn't intervene in Europe we'd probably all be poor Russian speaking gopniks and the Cold War may have lasted a lot longer with all the resources of the rest of Europe.
      But this root of censorship is something your previous governments planted into Europe's western society when they rebuilt Europe.

    38. Re:That's fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less crap on YouTube is a positive thing.

  2. One better by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Block Youtube, where instead it takes you to a page where you can write an angry letter to the people responsible for YouTube being blocked.

    It would be really interesting to see what effect blocking YouTube had on a modern society. Riots? Mass adoption of VPN? Meh?

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    1. Re:One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh.

    2. Re: One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Increased productivity...

    3. Re:One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Google can work with China, I'm sure they'll find a way to work with Europe. Censorship is on the march, with Google leading the way. You people should find a way to redirect your money away from them. I mean, really, why don't people regularly speak up about alternatives, like liveleak or something? They seem to believe there are none. We don't have to flock to any single source. We made Google, we can break them, still. No, scratch that, we don't need to break them. We can just make something else, like we did with Google. We are the power!

    4. Re: One better by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Amazingly enough, China's demands are much more reasonable and straightforward than those of the EU.

    5. Re:One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh indeed. Youtube is not as great as they think. Sure - lots of views from within the EU. But it is just one of many timewasters available. Not something I would miss much - I watch youtube now and then but when it fails it is easy to find other entertainment.

    6. Re:One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Censorship is on the march, with Google leading the way.

      How have you constructed a mental model where it's Google who's responsible for censorship here rather than the EU?

    7. Re:One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't resist, they comply with fascist law. They have the means to fight back, but they kneel to the almighty dollar. They are the administrators of fascist censorship (there is no other kind) for profit, as are the ISPs, which are much more dangerous. At least Google can't cut off your internet.

    8. Re: One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There needs to be a +1 Sad mod option.

    9. Re:One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If EU blocked YouTube entirely that would essentially create a protected market for other video services to tap into and use to claw into other regions.

      After a decade YouTube would no longer be the largest video provider.
      After two decades YouTube will be the "sketchy" video site you go to because it is slightly lower on the radar of IP-holders.

      Not being the default choice for users will likely mean that the comment section will clean up and become almost as wholesome as PornHubs.

    10. Re: One better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the EU is basically a dictatorship, with communistic undertones.

  3. Thats the idea by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    Only to present approved EU content.
    Anything not approved will be a copyright or content problem.
    Welcome to EU censorship.
    No freedom of speech. No freedom to publish. No freedom to comment on content.

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    1. Re:Thats the idea by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well just because the US and the UK decided to be really stupid, it doesn't mean that the EU is a bastion of all good intentions. The EU for Decades have been making laws that more or less target American Companies.

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  4. Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music, streaming it for free, and making all of the copyright infringement profit for themselves.

    For some reason youtube is the only company that can outright steal everyone's stuff, and sell it all for their own profit.

    If I did that at the swap meet with burned CD's I'd go to jail.

    1. Re: Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

    2. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you even read the summary? Even for videos licensed from the music publishers themselves YouTube is at risk of copyright suits from unknown rights holders.

    3. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are aware that YouTube pays enormous royalty payments to the recording industry, right? Enormous to the tune of where YouTube operates at a loss. A constant claim is that their filters are too strict and regularly improperly flag content as infringing even when it isn't, and when something is flagged, the registered owner decides if it should be blocked or not. Almost everything on YouTube is there with the blessing of their owners using the monatization scheme the owners request.

      So basically, everything you said is completely false. But I'm sure you knew that, right?

    4. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure why you think your comment is news to the GP. It supports it, not undermines it.

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    5. Re: Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If youtube operates at a loss Google should shut it off.
      I wonder why they don't...

    6. Re: Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. I highly doubt YouTube is operating at a loss.

    7. Re: Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certain content absolutely operates at a loss because Adsense pays garbage.

    8. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by tepples · · Score: 1

      Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music

      Let's say I write and record a song and use it as background music for a video that I upload. But if my song is too similar to an existing song, then I unwittingly "stole" someone else's music. What steps can a composer take to stop this "theft" from happening before the upload?

    9. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Almost everything on YouTube is there with the blessing of their owners using the monatization scheme the owners request.

      Um, not even close. You can find most TV shows as well as most movies. When you start typing a movie name, youtube even helpfully suggests appending the words "full movie" onto the end and in most cases you can easily find the full movie of most movie on youtube.

      Youtube is a cesspool. Google is one of the leaders in AI but has made almost no attempt to clean up, categorize, or filter the stuff on Youtube.

    10. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example
      The Life of Brian by Monty Python
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F28vzg3FTxY

    11. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Utube doesn't steal stuff, they set up a bulletin board where people can post messages and posters for free. Blaming them for not being able to police everything for criminal content is unreasonable. If bank robbers use the phone system to plan their crimes you don't arrest the phone company.

    12. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Mostly because nobody involved gives a shit about copyright crap. I want to listen to music, YouTube wants to provide it. How they do it, why the fuck would I care?

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    13. Re: Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If YT hasn't secured the rights it shouldn't show the video

    14. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The rights holders are quite happy to have their music on YouTube, as long as they get the ad revenue.

      The problem at the moment is that a lot of the music on there was uploaded by other people, and they are raking in the profits. It happens with new music and also new movie trailers a lot. The official channel releases it, others copy and re-post the video and often the top search result or trending vid is the copy.

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    15. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Glarimore · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Considering I just went to Youtube and tried searching for "Black Panther Full Movie", "Lego Movie Full Movie", and "It Follows Full Movie", but could not find copies of any of these movies, I think it is safe to say that you are either ill-informed or a liar, or these movies you're talking about are sufficiently buried that the small proportion of people who access them shouldn't be a concern.

      And to the point in the article, Youtube can't reasonably be expected to police everything someone uploads. They already try pretty hard and the systems they do have in place end up getting abused. If you can think of a happier medium or useful technical solution, please provide it, but arguing that Youtube is purely a cesspool of copyrighted material is not only incorrect, but not overly useful to anyone.

    16. Re:Or youtube can stop stealing everyone's music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you also would not collect $200

  5. Tough by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No-one above the law. Look at this example: "Although YouTube has agreements with multiple entities to license and pay for the video, some of the rights holders remain unknown. ".

    Yeah, that's the same with abandonware. Or even in hobbyist music I wrote which I can't release for exactly this reason. Same rules for everyone. Either campaign to remove those rules for everyone, or suck it up and comply. One or the other.

    1. Re:Tough by sl3xd · · Score: 4, Informative

      It doesn't sound like they are looking for an exemption.

      It's quite clear that YouTube is saying the proposed rules don't make sense, and shouldn't be implemented for anyone.

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    2. Re:Tough by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Rules exist today though - look at my "can't publish" example, that's real and something I tried to do in all good faith. Whereas they're arguing they already have published something like that and shouldn't be held accountable for it.

    3. Re:Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same rules for everyone. Either campaign to remove those rules for everyone, or suck it up and comply. One or the other.

      Or, and I'm just musing here, do neither because the real world is far more flexible than we teach schoolchildren.

      Google will continue to do as they were while trying to change the rules and use those rules to their advantage and small-players won't be able to do the same and no matter the outcome profit will be made by Google regardless of their valid licensing andGoogle will get away with it.

      That is much closer to reality than a 'tough' either/or.

    4. Re:Tough by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Yep, I agree. It's why I have no sympathy for their attempt at moralising here.

    5. Re:Tough by jopsen · · Score: 1

      Why can't you publish your music?

    6. Re:Tough by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks for the question. It's because I can't identify all the rights holders, so cannot publish due to the risk of being sued for copyright later. I've tried - I contacted the BBC (it's a BBC programme from 1982), I contacted Getty who now administer it...everyone. They told me who might have a right and confirmed that others had rights than those I had already identified. But they couldn't tell me who, only that it would be breach of copyright to publish without identifying.

      Oh, and Getty also wanted to charge me £500 to use it, after first insisting they would only deal with corporations anyway and not individuals like me. That would be £500 for one set of rights - the BBC. They then told me I would need to individually contact the presenter who read the script, and the scriptwriter. They also couldn't identify the scriptwriter.

      Result? Impossible to publish. Financially a non-starter but let's assume for a moment it wasn't, and that I had some sure-fire hit that easily justified paying three sets of people at minimum £500 each after individually tracking down all contact details...still I couldn't publish, because I wouldn't know where the rights for the script were held. I assumed the BBC. Apparently not.

    7. Re:Tough by mccalli · · Score: 1

      I should add - this is all over some sampled speech that I use throughout the piece. Too long to be fair use, and it's the centre point of the music anyway.

    8. Re:Tough by athmanb · · Score: 1

      It's already like this for abandonware. The DMCA requires that you own the copyright of something you send a takedown for. So if nobody that owns the copyright for whatever you're sharing cares, nobody will send your ISP a nastygram.

      And if someone does care enough to send a letter, then it's not abandoned, is it.

    9. Re:Tough by s4080326 · · Score: 1

      They are saying that they should only respect the copyrights of large corporations not that of small individuals. The thing is the EU policy is really highlighting how stupid the existing copyright laws are and hopefully they will force a rewrite of copyright to something more sensible.

    10. Re:Tough by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      So you’re saying that instead of fixing something that’s broken, the EU is thoughtfully and deliberately enacting laws that are even dumber?

      That makes no sense.

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    11. Re:Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, You tube is saying that you only need to respect copyright holders who have enough cash to go to court.
      The little people you just make it so expensive they go broke, so who cares because then you can sue them for costs.

    12. Re:Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't speak for the ISP nastygram side of things, but over at Youtube baseless ownership claims are a business model. Thousands of shell companies send rapid fire blind claims on any uploads that seem remotely popular, for the sole purpose of monetizing them. In a sane world someone might ask them to prove their ownership first, but ContentID is designed to placate the recording industry rather than actually be useful. Remember how NASA's Curiosity rover footage's ownership was handed over to Scripps Local News and blocked globally? Same thing, only differences being monetization over blockage and no global outrage forcing Youtube to look at what happened.

  6. The EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck 'em.

  7. Hohoho MIT never stops making is laugh by fubarrr · · Score: 0

    I congratulate the MIT for reinventing the bicycle... well, magnetic tunnel junction. Beg for grants and investor money more

  8. Working as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YouTube doesn't seem to understand this is by design. The whole point of article 13 is to kill off online distribution and return the EU to the good old golden age of CD sales. Why bother competing when you can buy the laws?

  9. too f**king bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So YouTube - who makes billions of dollars for showing whatever media anyone decides to post (regardless of if they have the rights to or not) is now complaining that they will have to put in place substantial resources to comply with the actual laws - sucks to be them, this is what traditional content providers have had to do since forever.

    If their business model cannot sustain the costs to operate it properly and within the law then perhaps there is not really a viable business there or that they cannot roll around in the piles of cash like they do now.

    1. Re: too f**king bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a greasy greasy eurotrash idiot.

      And I am to the left of stalin.

      Your liberal bullshit will not stand

    2. Re:too f**king bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a law yet.
      Article 13 has been revised drastically. Uploadfilters and that stuff are no more. On the contrary Article 13 states that automated deletion and censorship of content should be avoided. But instead of that those online distribution platforms have to honour the work of the individual, while also protecting their privacy. For example if you record yourself playing a video game with copyrighted music in they must also provide a service to you the user to dispute this action. Meaning that they can't simply delete your stuff. You are still entitled to the work you've added to the product, while you may not be entitled to make money with it. And because of the privacy stuff, your own identity may not be revealed to others who may create derivative work of your work, making it difficult for them and youtube to know who all of the right holders actually are. And Article 13 states that these cases may have to be resolved in courts.

      While this sounds only fair in theory, it also extremely complicated and super expensive to put into practice. Not only for youtube, but also for the judicial systems of the countries where those cases can be brought to a court.

  10. Brussels flies up its own colon by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The EU is in the process of strangling its own economy with rules that the rest of the world would go broke trying to comply with. Enjoy your GMO-free, music-free, Internet-free existence. We will gladly honor your right to be forgotten.

    1. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We will gladly honor your right to be forgotten.

      Yes you will. And you will bend over backwards to keep content coming our way while doing so. Just like companies bend over backwards to appease Chinese censors. Some markets are too big to ignore, and as often is with empty threats, those markets are usually worth far more than the cost of compliance despite the ensuing bitching and moaning.

    2. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strangling someone - yes. Out own economy - no.

      GMO-free, sure. Why should we allow GMO? What's in it for us? Nothing. There may or may not be unknown dangers, but no positive side. More profits to some American company doesn't do us anything good, so why bother with it?

      Music-free? Nope. Perhaps less streaming - but that is not a problem. All the older forms of music distribution works fine. There are still plenty of concerts - Live beats streaming any day. There are shops with CDs and vinyl too.

      Internet-free? Hardly. I have fiber to my home, the internet is not going away just because some commercial use cases gets regulated or even blocked. Thinking that commerce on the Internet should work such that Europe is just "more states" where business can work exactly the same way? Not gonna happen, that idea can be forgotten.

    3. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Not at all. Instead it's rediscovering the problem that USSR discovered after WW2. If you want to have a union of states that have wildly different cultural norms and standards, you must have a tyrannical universal rule set and complete lock down on information about the system and how it works.

      This is a part of the slowly creeping information lock down. Other parts range from hate speech and blasphemy legislation being interpreted increasingly widely to removal of obstacles from consolidation of ownership of mass media companies. Since they can't take the USSR way of simply nationalising everything and persecuting anyone doing the same things privately, all they can do is enacting a shaky alliance with large capital holders in relevant industries.

      This particular legislation package is basically a bastard child of those two intentions coming together. On one hand, the large holders in mass media industries are in severe decline due to liberalization of media frontier by internet companies. On the other hand, same liberalization also removes the ability to lock down the information about the system and how it works. It's not actually aimed at "the rest of the world". This is distinctly a shot aimed at multiple internal objectives. Any external impact is barely an afterthought. And considering just how critical these issues are to the primary agenda of survival of EU itself, foreign pressure is unlikely to change anything on this front.

      It will have to be done by member states themselves in the upcoming negotiations on what actual legislation package should and should not hold. Considering the current representation in two main power houses in Europe being highly unpopular but extremely pro "EU as a sovereign union of states rather than a union of sovereign states", this will likely be pushed through in some form.

      And then, the shit you're talking about will actually hit the fan.

    4. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EU is in the process of strangling its own economy with rules that the rest of the world would go broke trying to comply with. Enjoy your GMO-free, music-free, Internet-free existence. We will gladly honor your right to be forgotten.

      You're conflating nonessential industry with essential industry. YouTube goes down, there's a copyright armageddon, so what. God forbid people find some other way to spend their free time.

    5. Re: Brussels flies up its own colon by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      What this really means is that Youtube how-to videos will no longer have loud and obnoxious music tracks playing during the video. That's a good thing.

    6. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should we allow GMO? What's in it for us? Nothing.

      Are you dumb
      GMO food can be enriched with vitamins and minerals for malnourished people (look up golden rice) or made larger and more resilient or allowed to grow on suboptimal soil or in bad climate, resulting in cheaper and more available food. Possibly also tastier, more nutritious... Thanks to ignorants like you GMO is being held back. Organizations like Greenpeace actively fight to maintain world hunger by stopping GMO research and sabotaging GMO plantations. Hungry, malnourished population in the 3rd world that could benefit from that GMO food because their diets barely have any vitamins and minerals? FUck em, lol, and fuck yer crops too. Go to Walmart and get your certified non-GMO ecologically grown bio-lettuce and fizzy vitamin supplements, suckers.

    7. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main issue was that the right holders of GMO didn't sit in the EU, but in the US. And that cross pollination lead to a lot copyright issues that make the agricultural lobby hate them. And instead of saying 'we don't want a US corporation to have control of our agricultural output', because that would admit that they're protectionist, they went after GMO as a whole.
      But since Monsanto and the German Bayer merged and German assets may be at stake, things could change in the future.

    8. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The main issue was that the right holders of GMO didn't sit in the EU, but in the US.

      Then why do you luddite wackjobs rip up fields of Golden Rice, which is open source and has nothing to do with Monsanto or any other Evil Corporation?

      Please, please, be as antivax as you are anti-GMO. Then in the next big epidemic we will all be rid of you.

    9. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's right there in the 3rd sentence. You just had to made the effort to both read and comprehend it.

      And instead of saying 'we don't want a US corporation to have control of our agricultural output', because that would admit that they're protectionist, they went after GMO as a whole.

      That's the backhanded way the EU tends to handle things. Don't admit openly that you're against foreign competition in your market, which would allow you to use the scalpel. If you use the hand grenade that wrecks the entire place you can at least claim that you didn't single out foreign competition.

    10. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a reason why none of the big tech companies are from the EU.

    11. Re:Brussels flies up its own colon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EU is in the process of strangling its own economy with rules that the rest of the world would go broke trying to comply with. Enjoy your GMO-free, music-free, Internet-free existence. We will gladly honor your right to be forgotten.

      I prefer my music to be grass-fed, free-range, and GMO-free. Also, make sure it's full of gluten-free antioxidants for my ear canals.

  11. Lies by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    YouTube (Alphabet/Google, actually; stop kidding yourselves) — and the rest of the Valley monsters — have demonstrated that they are entirely capable of precisely moderating the content they host. They do so every day as their finely honed wrongthink detectors isolate every case of "offensive" content. So the argument that this EU requirement is some insurmountable burden is farcical. Unlike the deplorables they enthusiastically hunt down 24/7 with no complaint whatsoever about the financial feasibility, they are simply uninterested in enforcing EU copyright laws.

    Well too fucking bad. You people made yourselves the universal go-to moderators in your crusade to safe space the Internet. Content owners won't let you pretend you're not capable of applying the same facilities in service of protecting their IP.

    And this aggressive push for extreme IP polices coming from the EU should be no surprise to anyone. Consolidating power in Brussels could only amplify this rent seeking behavior. People heard the warnings of exactly this and pretended otherwise because damn all knuckle-draggers that don't want a giant all-caring all-providing European super government.

    Well, here you go motherfuckers. Enjoy.

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  12. So Google's going to make a smaller profit ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    that might be about right for the amount of tax that it pays. Interesting how that might happen!

  13. What about let's plays and say music rights? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    The game may have the music rights must people making the let's plays may have to do there own licensing for it.

    Just like how licensing for bars works.

    1. Re:What about let's plays and say music rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not too different from how it works today. If your "Let's play" contains licensed music from 3rd party artists, youtube won't like it.
      With the new propositions the people making the "Let's play" are entitled to what they added to the work. If you do it just for fun, you're not liable, but youtube would be. If the youtubers release their work for commercial purposes they may be liable as well besides of youtube. This is where the proposed laws starts to get impractical, because there are just too many possible right holders who would have to give their permission.

      However I see an entirely different angle here. If game developers want their games to be advertised on youtube or streams by other people playing them, they can choose to design their games to be compliant with these laws. Show those record industry copyright Mafiosi the middle finger and don't use their licensed music in your games. A lot of game developers appear to do this already. Use public domain or make your own music, or hire professionals and make them sign release forms, which you make free to use by youtubers and streamers.

    2. Re:What about let's plays and say music rights? by tepples · · Score: 1

      If game developers want their games to be advertised on youtube or streams by other people playing them, they can choose to design their games to be compliant with these laws. Show those record industry copyright Mafiosi the middle finger and don't use their licensed music in your games. A lot of game developers appear to do this already. Use public domain or make your own music

      If I choose to make my own music, what can I do to protect myself from accidentally copying someone else's music into my own music?

    3. Re:What about let's plays and say music rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a good question.

      As far as I know the new EU copyright proposal does not quite cover this issue. In general wants to put these topics in the hand of the individual nations of which most have their own fair-use equivalents and should respect the fundamental rights of people in their country (whatever that may mean). Your 'memes' in the form of pictures (animated or not) would be safe. Music is a bit more complicated because of the draconian record industry in the EU that always seems to get their insane ideas somehow through.

      Remixing would be a legally difficult issue because technically every sample you'd use in your resulting piece of music would have its own copyright holder, while you ultimately hold the copyright of the arrangement and or other modifications.
      If you want to avoid that, you'd have to avoid using digital or analogue samples of other music. You should probably record your music where there's little ambient noise that might include copyright infringing material. You'd probably have someone compose your own music or do it yourself, and best keep some kind of record for the process. How far a composer can go in utilizing rhythms, melodies, and or lyrics that overlap with other works I do not know.
      If this happens and someone thinks you're infringing on their copyrighted melody, it will probably have to be settled in a court where you can argue your case and quite possibly partially blame the composer you've hired. I am not sure if there is any standardized method anywhere where you could check if your work infringes other work. But one may think that if they want to implement such laws, they have to make sure people have the ability to check for something like that for no additional costs.
      Personally I think that they should let youtubers and streamers alone. They often talk over the music, making it useless for the purposes of creating unlicensed copies. And as far as that is the case the record industry can stick their complaints elsewhere.
      But this is just my personal opinion. I'm neither a lawmaker, judge nor lawyer.

  14. Financially impossible? Sounds easy! by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    This video contains multiple copyrights, ranging from sound recording to publishing rights

    So all it boils down to is that companies will have to work a bit harder to earn their billions.

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  15. That is what several businesses have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because of the GDPR, and the fact that Europeans can sue US sites even if they are not doing business on their turf, I just have any requests from EU sites get redirected to a "sorry, we do not do business with you, go away" web page.

    Maybe YouTube should do the same. Especially how the EU views Google as their whipping boy.

    1. Re:That is what several businesses have done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've encountered "we're not gonna show you our content because of GDPR" plenty of times with some U.S. news sites that are either over-careful, or want to track their readers on their own, and through a barrage of invasive ads.

      The solution, then, was to visit those same sites through archive.org. The impact of this, is, that only insightful content of these U.S. news sites gets archived. And get that: Only the content, where the article writer at a paper managed to stick a good and informative headline to their article, even if said article later turns out to be bland. Articles with bad and uninformative headlines are more likely not to be archived, and will thus be discarded from the annals of history.

  16. The Left eats itself. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    The crazy EU leftists going after the power of the crazy US leftists. *Gets Popcorn*

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    1. Re:The Left eats itself. by mcvos · · Score: 1

      It's not EU leftists who did this; many Greens oppose it, whereas most right-wing parties supported it.

      I'm unable to find a complete breakdown of who supported it and who didn't though. Support for this was appallingly broad.

    2. Re:The Left eats itself. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      The EU IS LEFT.

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    3. Re:The Left eats itself. by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Only compared to the extreme right that's currently ruling the US. On its own, the EU is moderately right-wing due to its insistence on austerity, and moderately left-wing due to its insistence on human/civil rights. How you see the regulated free market with a very strong focus on competition, could go either way.

  17. Well no. IP comes mostly from the US or big corp by aepervius · · Score: 1

    When I look at most music, movies, it is mostly coming from corporations which anyway will comply and be able to upload stuff in youtube : What IP is not coming from the US, is coming from the big corp, even the "pew die pie" of Europe are incorporated and will only have that as a nuisance cost. There is nigh an indy scene in EU which really participate that much in the economy globally. In other word, the ONLY people it may stops, are the average folk uploading a video they made themselves - economic value being very low - OK maybe a few web cam and microphone equipment. Basically the economy will not suffer a iota.

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  18. Just block those videos to redirect to pirate site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just block those videos to redirect to pirate sites, please.

    I'm tired of looking for a live stream of a minor sporting event only to get it telling me to go visit some pirate sports site.

    Fix that crap.

    And It would be good if they removed all the 240p and lower resolution phone videos.

  19. Wouldn't it all be so much easier... by mr_jrt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...if copyrights only lasted a sane amount of time, say, 10 years or so, with a couple of optional 10 year extensions. Then the long tail of potential rights holders in a given work would dramatically reduce, making systems such as this much more feasible to manage.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't it all be so much easier... by toejam13 · · Score: 1

      Why have a cap on extensions? Place a price on extensions that goes up significantly with each additional extension. If the cost is worth it to the rights holder, let them pay it.

    2. Re:Wouldn't it all be so much easier... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      another would be that you can only recoup/claim some reasonable portion of the profits gained

      which means for one thing, if the use is non-profit, you get nothing

      but for those that do make a profit, you can only claim some portion of that

      the problem is that when someone thinks his copyright has been violated, he doesn't try to sue for a portion, he tries to sue for $100 million even if the thing in question only made $38.64

    3. Re:Wouldn't it all be so much easier... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well, it used to be 14 years. Then they extended it a bit and then a bit mre and then even more. So now it is "Till hell freezes over".

      Giving them 10 years will result in extentions and exceptions and will end in "till hell freezes over".

      So the best thing would be to forbid copyrights altogether. We have tried it and it didn't work. No reason to try it again. They have shown they have no restrain.

      So get rid of all copyrights (and patents, while we are at it). And trademarks ONLY for company logo's and names. Not for design and color. ... because fuck em. They broke enough already. And if they moan, fuck em harder. It means they like it.

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    4. Re:Wouldn't it all be so much easier... by redmasq · · Score: 1

      Copyright and patents are still useful, but the timeframe is just purely rent-seeking. How about $10 dollars to register either for 2 years, double the previous for each 1 year extension. $10, $20, $40, $80, etc. The first few years will be cheap and a common citizen could get a foothold. Someone successful could even continue the monopoly for a few extra years. After a while, even a company such as Apple with unruly amounts of capital would give up and allow it to be public domain.

      I agree for the trademarks, but would advice that it only applies to the context of use as a trademark. Trademarking a certain mouse would not prevent the character of that mouse from being used in a fictional work if not meant to represent the company.

      I am not so concerned with the presence of copyright since it would be one of the few things keeping my modest work from simply being ripped off by someone with more marketing skills than I before I can even attempt to do something. I am, however, concerned with the blatant abuse. If someone is using one of my random utilities or hanging a print of one of my ugly renders on the wall 20 years from now, I would have had a chance to market it. 100 years of rent-seeking, it only encourages people to rest upon their laurels while speeding up inflation by creating undue artificial scarcity.

  20. It's probably fair use regardless, transformative by raymorris · · Score: 3, Informative

    > Too long to be fair use, and it's the centre point of the music anyway.

    You're thinking of one type fair use. If you're writing a research paper, you can use a short section from another research paper. "A short section" is only ONE of several types of fair use though.

    Two other fair use elements are "transformative" and, most importantly, market for the original work. If you made a rave song, using sampled audio from a newscast, that's probably okay because it's completely transformative. You can use the ENTIRE original work and it can still be fair use. See Kelly vs Arriba and other cases.

    Another element, probably the most important, is the effect of your use on the market value of the original work. Will people buy your song INSTEAD OF buying the TV show? If not, that has two effects:
    It makes it probably fair use.
    It means actual damages* would be $0 anyway, so it doesn't *matter* if it's infringing.

    If your song parodies or comments on the show, if it says something about contemporary culture as exemplified by the show, that may be fair use.

    There are many factors to consider for fair use. If the show was a stand-up comedy skit and you used most of it to make a comedy song, that would probably infringe. I'd bet that you're aong is transformative enough that it doesn't compete with the prior work or damage its market value, though.

    * Statutory damages are a thing. I won't go into that here.

  21. Like rights holders can't figure it out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rights holders will quickly work together for licensing purposes if they don't earn revenue from Youtube.

    Expect it to take 6 months or less.

    Ignore the whining, streamlining copyright handling, rights management, abandoned works, etc. is a necessary public good 50 years in the making.

    Fixing copyright terms to a fixed time-span at creation date or first publication date if within 5 years of creation is also much needed. No ex post facto extensions after first publication date or 5 years after creation.

    Limited duration should be limited and not extended well beyond 3 generations of people born when the work was first published. It's not perpetual copyright.

    Also, importantly a standardized way to legally use a public domain frame taken from a public domain film without fear of trademark infringement legal actions. A legally accepted simple disclaimer for example, the Donald Duck cartoons made during the 1940s for the US government which are in the public domain. One should be able to simply use a frame from the film with a "Public Domain, not associated with trademark owner ____" message should be sufficient.

  22. Re:It's probably fair use regardless, transformati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What!??? Transformative only means that the new work is eligible for its own copyright, not that the original falls under fair use. Criticism = parody under fair use guidelines, so that falls under commentary, not transformation.

  23. Backwards by raymorris · · Score: 2

    See for example Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994) regarding transformative fair use. Also many earlier rulings.
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/sup...

    There is a big difference between criticism and parody in fair use law. One can criticize something without copying it. Parody by it's very nature requires the characteristic elements of the work. Therefore, a criticism does not necessarily have a fair reason to copy; a parody does because the parody cannot exist without copying.

  24. Boo fucking hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have thought about that in the beginning. Poor babies, having to pay the piper for their own arrogance/lack of foresight. My heart doesn't weep. Google can suck it in general, and I hope they have to pay every freaking penny.

  25. Innovative by jezwel · · Score: 1
    This will lead to a database of copyrighted works that can be automatically attributed based on a scan of newly uploaded content.

    If there is no match to existing works, the new content becomes part of the copyright database with the uploader as the defacto copyright holder, transferable if needed.

    If a copyright owner disputes ownership of content they will need to upload their own content to potentially replace whatever was flagged as the original, which will propagate the change down to all related work, and update any monetisation chains in the process.

    Failure to upload original content would cancel any changes.

    1. Re:Innovative by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's not how copyright works. The copyright exists the moment the work is created, not when it's uploaded to some database. In your example, how would the original owner prove they were the one who created it?

      Copyright also covers works that are substantially different from the original. Your database would have a lot of trouble with photos, remixes or other imperfect reproductions of the original work. If someone draws an unauthorized Mickey Mouse comic, how are you going to find a match against those 100-year old cartoons?

  26. IMPERSONATING me AGAIN? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're caught impersonating me c6gunner (your name's the submitter signing "APK") https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & you ALTERED /.ers PRAISE of my work (not yours you don't even HAVE).

    (Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house vs. me: RIGHT ZIP? https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... )

    LIAR ZIP says he has no account "I don't have an account, so I don't have mod points" https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    Yet LIAR ZIP says he downmods my posts (IMPOSSIBLE MINUS AN ACCOUNT on /.): "I down-modded a few of your post on other threads" - by Anonymous Coward "ZIP" on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:31AM (#57461058) FROM https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> GROW UP weezils - you do it to yourselves trying to "take me on" & FAILING like you always do (especially on tech) + so then you start STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts OR by IMPERSONATING me (weak BITCH tactics only a HOMO would do, lol)... apk

  27. My heart bleeds for Google.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They allowed a bot to hijack a demo video of a game I wrote ALL the content for because of the FIRST FOUR SECONDS of silence.

    So sad when they have to follow actual law.

  28. Classic politican by sebrk · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when we have "democracy" which attracts strebers and suckups instead of talent.

    1. Re:Classic politican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democracy is not at fault. I thought the EU Parliament to be wiser, but there is now a wider process, which is the trilogue, and there, governments can choose not to approve the new rules.

  29. Re: Chinky Tell Joke. So Funny!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like funny tiny Chinese penis. So small! So funny!

  30. Re: Just Everyday Beer Drinkers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    & Buttchuggers like c6..

  31. It won't work by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    Consider the complexity illustrated in this article. This is just part of what I call the coming "complexity collapse." It is inevitable as governments, businesses, and technology continue to add more and more rules, regulations, laws, procedures, devices, patches, processes, obligations, etc.

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  32. I'm calling bullshit on that one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way are elected officials beyond the scope of regulations set forth by regulations make by civil servants.

    Maybe a quick civics lesson for you is in order?

  33. How the EU directive approval process works (link) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The EU is not a dictatorship, and the updates to the Copyright Directive, including Articles 11 and 13, are not in effect yet.

    This article at EFF describes with this only parliament-approved draft directive, how the entire process works.