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Facebook Reportedly Hired a PR Firm That Wrote Negative Articles About Rivals, Pushed George Soros Conspiracy Theory (cnbc.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the drastic-times-call-for-drastic-measures dept.

According to a recently-published report in the New York Times, Facebook hired a public relations firm last year that wrote dozens of articles critical of rivals Google and Apple and pushed the idea that liberal financier George Soros was behind a growing anti-Facebook movement. "Facebook expanded its relationship with Definers Public Affairs in October 2017 after enduring a year's worth of external criticism over its handling of Russian interference on its social network," CNBC summarizes. From the report: The firm reportedly wrote articles that blasted Google and Apple while downplaying the impact of Russian interference on Facebook. Those articles were published on NTK Network, an affiliate of the firm whose content is often followed by politically conservative outlets, including Breitbart, the report says. Definers Public Affairs also reportedly pressed reporters to explore Soros' financial connections with groups that protested Facebook at Congressional hearings in July.

Facebook's relationship with Definers Public Affairs were outlined as part of a broader report that looked at the company's handling of numerous scandals over the past three years, including Russian interference and the Cambridge Analytica scandal in March. Other revelations in the report include Sheryl Sandberg's apparent fury when former security chief told the board of directors in fall 2017 about the full extent of Russian interference on the platform, and Mark Zuckerberg ordering managers to use Android phones after Apple CEO Tim Cook criticized the company's approach to privacy earlier this year.

149 comments

  1. Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know it's bull when it cites reports or papers from a think tank (If it's academically rigorous, why isn't it in a peer reviewed journal?). Likewise, who wrote it? Is this a reputable investigative journalist who's published in several high quality news journals or some unscrupulous writer for hire? Finally, does the article make well reasoned, coherent, cohesive arguments based on high quality, relevant evidence or is it just opinion, appeals to emotion, ad hominem, and other logical fallacies? -- Unfortunately, most of what passes as news these days, from the left and right, fails to meet basic standards of journalistic integrity.

    1. Re:Simple rules by Bobrick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A quality think tank would make sure you can't tell it's from a think tank.

    2. Re: Simple rules by schure · · Score: 1

      Notwithstanding whatever you think about the report's credibility, the George Soros Foundation took it seriously, it seems. https://gizmodo.com/george-sor...

    3. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That immediately increases the writer's credibility in my estimation. If Soros' foundation is critical enough of the report to call Facebook 'vile' instead of merely refuting it probably means there's uncomfortable truth being revealed there.

    4. Re: Simple rules by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      What is it about Soros and the alt-right? I mean why Soros in particular? I've got some alt-right acquaintances (hey, they weren't that way when we were kids) who seem singularly obsessed with the guy. Is it because he's rich and Jewish? Why Soros in particular?

    5. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it has nothing to do with him being Jewish
      he is using obnoxious sums of money to nudge elections in all sorts of countries, and has done so for many years

    6. Re: Simple rules by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Soros isn't just trying to promote some ideas that threaten their rhetoric if successful (and since it's usually what the people affected want, it's easy to be successful), he also has the money to back it up. That's pretty unique and makes him a very important target.

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    7. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And his name is (((Soros)))

    8. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't say it out loud but he is an ew-Jay and conservatives have a long history of love for "The Protocols Of the Elders Of Zion" and all the BS that flows from it

    9. Re: Simple rules by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I know. If I had a dollar for every time someone said Opinion X or Movement Y weren't real, they were paid actors bought by Soros to pretend to believe what they were saying, why, I'd be as rich as Soros.

      Curiously, none of those people ever accept the counter-suggestion that conservative billionaires could be paying actors to pretend to believe conservative talking points. Only Soros's money is magically powerful in ways that other people's money is not.

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    10. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is it about Soros and the alt-right? I mean why Soros in particular?

      Soros has a history of hiring mercenary armies to take over other countries from the inside. This is what the CIA paid him to do in Eastern Europe and Russia. He is currently doing it to the United States. When the people he backs seize power, they give him and his men immunity from prosecution for anything as thank for his support. You try to press charges against one of Soros's men for something as small as assault and the police won't even take your report, and you're lucky if police don't arrest you instead.

      Why does the right concentrate on Soros? He was caught. Why does the left protect Soros? They are on his payroll. Why Soros in particular? He is a dangle, a frontman. Soros is "Open" about his activities and everything he does is branded. His allies -- the Rothschilds, the Jesuits, the captured British government, and the Islamists including al-Qaeda -- do a better job of hiding themselves, but they are easy to spot if you know what to look for. They call themselves "diversity" and "social justice." They are a mafia mixed up with foreign spies.

    11. Re: Simple rules by scrout · · Score: 0

      https://www.opb.org/news/artic...

    12. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's rich and a Jew, which plays into the right wing "Jews control the world and are evil" narrative.

      So, racism, yay!

      And Soros gives money to groups that would create policies and rules that would probably limit the money he can make, and the other billionaires really, really hate that.

      IRL, it would take 20 Soros' to equal one Koch brother or Walton, there aren't that many left leaning billionaires, so they need to make do.

      To paraphrase an idiot from the Bush administration, Donald Rumsfeld, you demonize the rich Jew you have, not the rich Jew you want.

      If you use FaceBook after the pulled this shit, shame on you.

    13. Re: Simple rules by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I wish you'd used some words and not just shared a link. I don't know what part of my comment that article is trying to address, refute, or whatever.

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    14. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates has even more money and appears to be a liberal in most things, except when it comes to software. So, does that mean he's too rich to be a target?

    15. Re: Simple rules by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      it has nothing to do with him being Jewish

      It's a variation of the old "Jews control all governments" canard.

    16. Re: Simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just means he's Catholic. It's not like the thin veneer of the alt-right is hard to wipe away.

    17. Re: Simple rules by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates doesn't threaten the status quo.

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  2. Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is our new normal did anyone not notice yet? Take everything with a grain of salt and keep watching the boob tube

  3. Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The good news is that fake stories and conspiracy theories aren't working so well any more. Racism, anti-semitism, and anti-immigrant hysteria just aren't getting the job done like they did in 2016.

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    1. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck this shit. Who wants to stay up all night reading this crap? Die happier reading a textbook or watching cement dry

    2. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But news falsely claiming certain people are racists and misogynists are wide spread. I'd say fake news is doing just fine.

    3. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just read a book called "The Joys of Watching Cement Dry"

    4. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or ploughing your mom

    5. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yea, yea, everyone you don't like is literally Hitler. We get it.

    6. Re:Silver lining by Powercntrl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Racism, anti-semitism, and anti-immigrant hysteria just aren't getting the job done like they did in 2016.

      I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not, because here in Florida the don't monkey this up candidate got more votes (and likely will be the winner if they ever finish counting ballots). Of course, I'm sure the line of thinking with most voters was "I don't mind voting for the guy the racists think is racist, so long as it keeps taxes low."

      It's also Florida being Florida, as usual.

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    7. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FBI reports hate crimes are up third straight year in a row. Thankfully we have your comment to prove reality is false. Whew... that was a close one. #MAGA

    8. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The good news is that fake stories and conspiracy theories aren't working so well any more.

      Not true! Your Russia! Russia! Russia! bullshit still dominates the headlines. And you still haven't pulled out of Afghanistan. Everybody is still buying those lies also. Fake news is all there is.

    9. Re:Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      It's also Florida being Florida, as usual.

      And there's your explanation, right there. But even in Florida, things are changing. Next election there will over a million people getting their voting rights restored against the wishes of Republicans. Things won't be so close next time.

      But the fact is, voter suppression still works, but now they have to get more and more brazen about it and it's actually turning some people off.

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    10. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But yet your Euro oligarch masters keep paying you...

    11. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Sweden, they would say this is a good thing because it shows more is being reported.

      How do you know this is an increase in crimes, and not simply an increase in reporting?

    12. Re:Silver lining by terrycarlino · · Score: 1, Troll

      Yep, if Democrats have anything to say about it all those dead people and non-citizens will be voting a storm up for Democratic candidates.

      I'm sure the poll workers will be working overtime stuffing ballots in their trunks for later use just in case a Republic actually gets enough votes to win.

    13. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I looked up Gillum's policies, and as a European I'm baffled as how he could be described as far left, as in Europe he would be considered a solidly mainstream centrist. In fact his relatively strident pro-Christian views and gun control views might put him ever so slightly to the right.

    14. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK there are police figures, but also a major independent survey, and the increase in religious hate crime reported seems to be real, but for LGBT, mostly increased reporting.

      Classification of crimes can vary over time, and between locations varies. For example, in the UK throwing a punch and missing still counts as assault, and in general more infractions as a whole are, and so assault figures look relatively high. And around 2005 violent crime jumped by 10%, but due to harmonisation of reporting between police forces, and if you look at the British Crime Survey figures, violent crime actually fell.

    15. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      as a European I'm baffled as how he could be described as far left

      Considering the governmentally driven Overton Window-realignment underway in much of Europe where "right wing" has been relabeled "nazi", "left wing" has been replaced by "centrist", and "culturally suicidal redistributionist thought police" has been replaced by "liberal", I'm not shocked.

    16. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In unrelated news, the popularity of accusing someone of "hate crimes" as a means of bullying or retribution is skyrocketing.

      http://fakehatecrimes.org/

    17. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no reliable measure of whether this demographic of new voters will vote for Democrats or Republicans.

    18. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know there is zero, zilch, zippo evidence for these things you're accusing the Democrats of, right? You're just venting because your side lost.

    19. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't work as well in the election, but in practice it appears to work just fine.
      The MAGA bomber that sent a bomb to Soros was this year.

      Facebook can do almost the same thing as the dude calling SWAT on someone he doesn't like but use conspiracy theorists instead.

      The big difference is that they won't be caught because they are a big company and it is easier to only punish the crazy bomber instead of also trying to go after the people who radicalized him.

    20. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, in the UK throwing a punch and missing still counts as assault

      As it should.
      The intent and action is there despite the incompetence.
      The only thing that should differ in the punishment is the lack of medical bills to pay.

    21. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah the "new" has worn off. Things like that don't work for long until people burn out.

    22. Re:Silver lining by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Do you have any evidence of this? Because so far the only credible evidence I've seen has been of fraud favouring Republican candidates.

      Extraordinary claims and all that...

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    23. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean other than the ever increasing number of states and districts where Republicans won initially but days later boxes of ballots magically turned up with just enough Democrat votes to change the outcome?

    24. Re:Silver lining by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You're not really making yourself look particularly sane when you rail against democracy by citing nonsense.

    25. Re: Silver lining by dave420 · · Score: 0

      I bet that sounded marvellously edgy in your brain. On the screen it reads like the deranged mumblings of someone sleeping at a bus stop.

    26. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it does, you are still peddling it and it got a score of 4. The left will never let their fake enemies die.

    27. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or to go back in history . 1913 is happening all over again... https://www.pbs.org/show/1913-seeds-conflict/

    28. Re:Silver lining by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      The good news is that fake stories and conspiracy theories aren't working so well any more. Racism, anti-semitism, and anti-immigrant hysteria just aren't getting the job done like they did in 2016.

      Huh? Racism and anti-semitism still work great for your key constituency, and with the thinly veiled "anti Israel" version for the rest of you.

    29. Re:Silver lining by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      Is the sky blue on the planet you live on?

    30. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like in California? I'm glad that you appreciate that the US Postal Service is pretty magical - a 50 cent stamp that can transport a letter 3000 miles away. I don't appreciate your conspiratorial tone, though.

    31. Re:Silver lining by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      You mean the ones that are controlled by Republicans that allow mail in voting? Like Florida?

      The ones that are still receiving votes by mail postmarked before the election, because, I don't know, the person who mailed it was in Iraq or something? Now why would an American citizen be in Iraq? Oh wait, I know!

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    32. Re: Silver lining by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Please tell me you're joking. I've been working on a book called "Watching Paint Dry, and Other Adventures" for about 8 years now. It's a small market, and I'd hate to get beaten to it. Now if only I could stop falling asleep during edits, I'd finish it one of these days.

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    33. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet that sounded marvellously edgy in your brain. On the screen it reads like the deranged mumblings of someone sleeping at a bus stop.

      Made perfect sense to me and wasn't edgy at all. It's the current state of affairs.

      Don't be too hard on yourself, you liberals aren't that smart and have a very narrow worldview. You only understand what your masters in media and politics tell you.

    34. Re:Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Opposition to the current government of Israel is not the same as anti-semitism.

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    35. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And wanting people to legally immigrate is not anti-immigrant.

    36. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virginia recently did an audit and found something like 2500 "voters" that didn't exist that had cast something like 8000 votes in the past few years.

    37. Re:Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And wanting people to legally immigrate is not anti-immigrant.

      Asylum is legal immigration.

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    38. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's right though. Maybe looking at the US you see the wild west, but we look across the pond and see an Orwellian nightmare. You're just a couple steps away from not being able to talk about the fact that your individual expression is suppressed. China is proud.

    39. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asylum does not mean "I want to make more money". It means that your race or religion is going to get you killed with near 100% certainty unless you flee.

      Also - By international law, asylum needs to be granted at the first nation the asylum seekers come to. When people cross through several nations that offer asylum, but refuse it at each of those places, to find one more to their liking? That's not asylum anymore.

    40. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really no evidence their was during Trumps election in Detroit. So it wouldn't surprise me its happening else where in the U.S.

      https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/michigan-ballot-recount-election/95107886/

      I can see maybe having 5 or 6 votes off heck even 10 or 12 I mean honest mistakes happen at each precinct but when you have machines that say 300 votes and only 50 are in the machine, something ain't right.

      Soon as the Judge (democrat by the way) who voted for the recount heard that a lot of Detroit districts were coming in like this he canceled the recount in 2016. Because over 60% of them had larger than 10 or 12 miscounts or ballots were not sealed properly.

      So their is some evidence for you maybe not for 2018 vote but its definitely happening whether you want to admit it or not.

    41. Re:Silver lining by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      You were wanting the overly-sensitive, triggered-by-common-phrase candidate to win, I take it.

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    42. Re:Silver lining by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      No evidence except for the video shared by Marco Rubio.

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    43. Re: Silver lining by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      As an American, I would ask that you keep your European politics in Europe. We fought a war to shrug off your brand of smothering patriarchy. You do things your way. We'll do it ours.

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    44. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like deranged ramblings to me, too. "Your masters in media and politics tell you" - you're a conspiracy nutjob. Outside of your bubble, real people aren't so blind to the idea of being manipulated by politicians and the media that they are slaves to their utterances. Unfortunately for you, out in the real world, you're the freak.

    45. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally speaking, there are no immediate medical bills to pay in the UK. However, ongoing medical problems that impact peoples lives can cost a lot of money, since the UK government hates the disabled.

    46. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in the UK we've had multiple chemical weapon attacks on British soil by Russian spies that have killed civilians. Anyone who downplays the cowardly style of Russian aggression is at best a complete moron.

    47. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More fake news. All staged (Quite a "miracle recovery" by those folks, huh?). Just like the bullshit "chemicals" used in Syria. You believed the liars back 2001, and you still believe them now. Or you're a propagandist yourself.

  4. Re: I hate /. bullies like ZIP & c6gunner... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook should hire apk to write public relations for them, that would probably improve their standing.

  5. Advertizing is the plague of the internet by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PR firms do this kind of thing, it's basically expected for them to lie and deceive as much as legally possible.

    Advertizing is the a deep poison that ruins many things on the internet. Email was a great idea (and still is).....but spam made it almost intolerable for years. Now we've reduced the email spam problem to a tolerable level (by removing open relays and centralizing our mail servers, which is a sad thing), but the problem of advertizing has infected the entire rest of the web. Why does fake news get written? Because you can make a profit off it. If it weren't for profit, then Breitbart would not exist.

    Some people argue that without advertizing, some things couldn't be supported financially. I counter that those things probably aren't worth having around anyway, if people aren't willing to toss a few dollars a year their way to cover hosting. Wikipedia manages. Subscription services like Netflix would still be able to exist.

    It is therefore a moral obligation to use ad blocker: to help make the internet a better place. Since ads contain malware, it is not just the morally correct thing to do, it is also the practical and most reasonable thing to do.

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    1. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by ChesterRafoon · · Score: 1

      Best synopsis of the social media / web situation I've seen yet. I agree 1000%, well done.

    2. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why does fake news get written? Because you can make a profit off it."

      And why does it yield profit ? Because people click on those headlines ! More drastic the merrier...
      Maybe the main problem is the very definition/unit "1 click = 2 eyeballs = x revenue".
      Apparently many click-bait merchants are just doing fake news just for money; if their livelihood suits some political agenda, then be it...
      There was an interesting article about such people at the BBC-website some days ago: "Kosovo's clickbait merchants" - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46136513

    3. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

      There's something about the ad-supported internet that feels like a perpetual motion machine or a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Somehow it seems like there's a weird subsidy or transfer of wealth involved from the real economy to the internet economy going on that cant possibly be sustainable. It's like aliens will visit Earth in 20 years and marvel at how the entire planet is dedicated to making and watching ads and the resources necessary to keep the internet turned on. Either that, or they will wonder what Easter Island-like culture Earth had that built data centers and powered them until the environment was exhausted, all for ads.

    4. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it weren't for profit, then CNN would not exist.

      Don't fool yourself kid. Breitbart isn't the whole problem.

    5. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia manages.

      Yes, but Wikipedia is the biggest donation funded site and has a huge charity operation behind it. That model probably won't work for a lot of sites.

      If there was a way for people to easily contribute small amounts it might work. At the moment making a 10 cent donation is impossible online, the transaction fees kill it. Maybe there could be some kind of central tip handling org that member sites could register visits with to get a cut of a larger monthly donation, but it may be difficult to secure against fraud.

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    6. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AmiMoJo stated:

      If there was a way for people to easily contribute small amounts it might work. At the moment making a 10 cent donation is impossible online, the transaction fees kill it.

      Yep.

      Historically, the problem of transaction fees has been the stumbling block for every previous micropayment proposal, and it's likely to be the rock upon which the latest crop founders, as well ...

      (Posting as AC only so as not to undo prior upmods in this thread.)

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    7. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does fake news get written? Because you can make a profit off it. If it weren't for profit, then Breitbart would not exist.

      Unless you're an advocate for slavery or you're Mother Teresa, nothing would exist without profit.

      And, I'd trust Brietbart over any mainstream media outlet any day. While no outlet is perfect, Breitbart and other conservative outlets serve as a counterbalance and counterpoint to the mainstream narrative.

      Only getting one side of the story will not provide a complete and accurate accounting of events. Everyone has an interest one way or another. The trick is diversifying where you receive your information and weighing the interest of a particular outlet against what they're reporting or not reporting.

      Some people argue that without advertizing, some things couldn't be supported financially. I counter that those things probably aren't worth having around anyway, if people aren't willing to toss a few dollars a year their way to cover hosting.

      Wait a minute, you made it sound like profit is bad. Sounds like it's only bad when it benefits people and organizations you don't like.

      I agree, the New York Times, MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the fake news, scamming, election-meddling, mainstream media, who all rely on advertising, aren't worth having around either.

    8. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by doom · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Wikipedia is the biggest donation funded site and has a huge charity operation behind it. That model probably won't work for a lot of sites.

      It's almost the only thing that does work. Think about it: advertising support sets up an adversarial relationship with the readers, and always threatens to undermine neutrality. Government support works as long as the government is reasonably enlightened, government supported media fails when you need it the most when the government is going bad. Subscription-only media becomes nearly invisible to the public at large, word of mouth disappears, "social media presence" is zero. There's a constant race-to-the-bottom as things that are "free" absorbs everyone's attention, hiding everything else.

      So what we have is (1) donations (2) leaky paywalls with perpetual javascript popup nags.

    9. Re: Advertizing is the plague of the internet by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      At the moment Patreon is showing it's possible for a large number of sites besides Wikipedia.

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  6. FAKE NEWS TIMES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Facebook should block NYT if they are really serious about removing Fake News from people's streams...

    1. Re:FAKE NEWS TIMES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I block both NY Times and Facebook in my host. Don't want to get a warped view of reality due to fakenews.

    2. Re:FAKE NEWS TIMES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it ironic that Facebook was running around after the 2016 election yelling about all the fake news that was hosted on their site and claiming that a small amount of Russian spending (in the hundreds of thousands of dollars range) was able to tilt the election away from Hillary who spent nearly a billion dollars, only to now find out that Facebook itself was creating and pushing fake news?

      My how the worm turns.

  7. Just quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't understand why Americans keep tolerating Facebook. The founder Zuckerberg literally said, "I don't know, they trust me with their data, idiots."

    Does every American have a gun to their head to use Facebook? No? Then delete that shit.

    1. Re:Just quit by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why Americans keep tolerating Facebook.

      Freedom fries and freeze peach. Duh.

      With nuts.

    2. Re:Just quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Erm...You know that Facebooks user base is roughly 6 times the population of the US, right?

      I'm just confused as to why you say "Americans", as I, an American, do not use Facebook, but their user numbers are equivalent to everybody in North America, everybody in Europe and everybody in South America combined and you'd still end up short. Like, if every person in China and every person in India were counted, you'd be slightly over Facebooks user numbers.

      I get it, you don't like Americans, but if you think it's just Americans, you're a damn fool.

  8. Re: Killing Nazis is one of the greatest things ev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok now

  9. Re: I hate /. bullies like ZIP & c6gunner... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Priceless! ZIP\Zach squirms unable to back his bs eating his words foot in his mouth ramming them down + a bitter taste of SELF-defeat his big mouth bit off more than it could chew impersonating apk, attacking him failing hugely https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... saying he is a better programmer but with nothing to show for himself. ZIP is on the receiving end of his big mouth. Poetic justice. What goes around comes around and now Zach's on the receiving end getting what he dished out and can't take eating crow and his words he can't back up.

  10. Is it time to go yet? by guygo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Delete. Your. Accounts.

    1. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      I second the motion.

    2. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      Delete. Your. Accounts.

      Which won't happen, because people like their echo chambers. Facebook makes it easy to unfollow/block opinions that run counter to your own, and feed you more of what you want to hear.

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    3. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      i done did awhile ago. again, not the app. the entire fucking account. scorch that earth.

    4. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree Facebook makes it easy to live in your own echo chamber I have many friends that engage in open honest dialog with all persuasions. They are certainly the minority and I have had to block the Fox like trolls (from my own family) that refuse to engage in dialog and simply act like our President, mistaking insults for arguments. I don't really love or hate Facebook. It's a tool that I use to stay in touch with family across the country and coordinate with family and friends close by. I understand the data ramifications and post accordingly. If Facebook went away tomorrow I am sure I'd find a way to see family pictures and do all of the things I do on Facebook now, it's just a lot easier on Facebook.

    5. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively: Replace it with a banner saying you don't use Facebook and that the actual profiles and websites you use are (list here)

    6. Re:Is it time to go yet? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      They should make not having a facebook account a requirement for voting. And possibly for buying groceries.

    7. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I cannot.

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    8. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just an old social media Luddite as I never even signed up to begin with. Never saw the lure of these platforms when I already have a phone and email to stay in touch with folks.

    9. Re:Is it time to go yet? by storagedude · · Score: 1

      Joined MeWe.com this morning. This was the last straw: they respond to criticism that they're destroying democracy by fanning fake anti-Semitic and anti-democratic conspiracies. Fuck them, I'm done.

    10. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the guy with an account on a platform owned by an advertising company...

    11. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor can I.

      I've abandoned my account and don't remember how to get in anymore.

      Since deleting likely just adds a [deleted] tag to it, it is likely just as good anyway.

  11. Re:Tech stories please by TigerPlish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The guy posting all this political crap with a faint hint of computers is a retard who is ruining this website.

    You don't get it, do you. Facebook is a tech company, one of the most influential. Why? Because people are dumb shit, that's why. They trust facebook the same way my parents trusted the printed newspaper.

    If you can't see how this is News for Nerd, Stuff that Matters, I posit that you are one of the ones ruining this site.

    Tech has become politicized. Deal with it. Don't ignore it.

    Still don't get it? OK I'll spell out out, let me know if you need pictures, too: Facebook is just another way to manipulate public opinion, but is much more insidious than print ever was.

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  12. This is basically to ensure Zuck's compliance by melted · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This is basically to ensure Zuck's compliance with 2020 DNC election plans for the anointed heir to the throne. He likes freedom of speech and diversity of thought a little too much for their taste, so beatings will continue until compliance improves.

  13. Soros conspiracy! by Raenex · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1...

    "George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund manager and a major Democratic donor, has given $18 billion to his Open Society Foundations, one of the largest transfers of wealth ever made by a private donor to a single foundation."

    http://www.latimes.com/local/c...

    "As they poured millions of dollars into district attorney campaigns, New York billionaire George Soros and other liberal donors seemed poised for victory in California.

    They enjoyed the political momentum, having helped elect more than a dozen prosecutors from Florida to Texas."

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/0...

    "Leaked documents from George Soros' Open Society Foundations reveal how Soros works to defeat populist candidates and movements in Europe.

    Soros, a U.S. citizen, uses a network of nonprofits and partner organizations across Europe to try and affect the outcomes of elections in foreign countries, the documents show.

    Through advocacy efforts, education campaigns and media influencing projects, Soros does his best to affect electoral outcomes around the globe in support of his open borders worldview."

    https://dailycaller.com/2016/0...

    "From July 2013 to February 2015, Open Society Foundations, the network of political organizations controlled by left-wing billionaire George Soros, secretly paid the salaries of three key staffers to then-Moldovan Prime Minister Iurie Leanca, funneling the money through a German non-profit in order to skirt Moldovan laws against doing so, according to a leaked OSF document."

    $18 billion buys a lot of fingers in a lot of pies. This is just a small sample.

    1. Re:Soros conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm partial to cherry and coconut cream pies. Though I've been known to enjoy a slice of pecan pie in a pinch.

    2. Re: Soros conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Soros nearly bankrupted the UK and caused a massive depression there by shorting their currency. That's how he became a multi-billionaire capable of giving away millions to charity.

      He also pretty much bankrolled all the "Colour Revolutions" on Russia's borders so in addition to the Brits who remember "Black Wednesday" he pissed off, he's got a fair few angry at him in Russia as well.

      As for Facebook, anyone wanting to see why social media isn't a good thing and bringing all people together isn't wise should check out PBS's Independant Lens' "The Cleaners" about outsourced moderators living in the Phillipines and what they are exposed to on a day to day basis. It is far, FAR worse than political stupidity that is run of the mill.

  14. Re: Tech stories please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Slashdot

    Slashdot
    Slashdot â home
    Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters. Timely news source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source ...

  15. Re:Zach Patterson / ZIP "Greatest Hits" (lol, not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Salmon really helps.

  16. Smokescreen shattered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Soros behind anti-Facebook campaign? Sounds like liberals putting liberals down

  17. fake news **2 by astrofurter · · Score: 3, Funny

    What if George Soros paid for this fake news article about George Soros paying for fake news articles??!

    1. Re:fake news **2 by terrycarlino · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      George Soros isn't a liberal. He is a globalist. While many Progressive liberals have globalist leanings, Soros is a genuine market and money fund manipulating globalist. He uses money and influence to topple governments and seems to believe in and support not democracy but control of democratic institutions through influence pedaling and propaganda.

      He's one of a number of ultra-rich people who have accumulated wealth not for it's own sake or for the material possessions it can buy, but so he can control people, countries and cultures.

      He often aligns himself with liberal causes, but only so far as they advance his own agenda. He is a dangerous ally and not one to be trusted.

    2. Re:fake news **2 by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      One of those people you don't want as ally OR enemy.

      The best you can hope for is that his interests align with yours.

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  18. So Trump is right then after all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fake news is a real thing..

  19. Re:Tech stories please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News for nerds, stuff that matters is literally in the title tag for the front page. Go see for yourself.
    Thank goodness we have people like you being the "condescension police."
    How's that crow taste?

  20. Hmmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Facebook was pushing fake news all along. This was obvious from day 1. They are very political and haven't been shy about it.

  21. FAKE NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I guess they trust me. Dumb fucks."

    Don't sugarcoat the actual j00 quote, you cuck.

  22. George Soros conspiracy theories not allowed by louzer · · Score: 1

    Conspiracy theories about everything else is OK.

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  23. George Soros collaborated with nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsnuhbT0ooM

    - My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson
    - Yes, yes
    - Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from Jews.
    - Yes. That's right. Yes.
    - That sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many many years. Was it difficult?
    - Not at all. Not at all. (smiles). Maybe as a child you don't see the connection, but it created no problem at all.
    - No feeling of guilt?
    - No
    - For example that 'I'm Jewish and here I am watching these people go, I could just as easily be be there, I should be there,' None of that?
    - Well, of course I could be on the other side (smiles), or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away, but there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was .......... well, actually in a funny way, it's just like in markets, that if I weren't there, of course I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would be taking it away anyhow, whether I was there or not I was only a spectator. The property was being taken away. So I had no role in taking away that property, so I had no sense of guilt.
    - Are you religious?
    - No
    - Do you believe in God?
    - No

    1. Re:George Soros collaborated with nazis by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      He's an opportunist. Not just in name like me.

      I can understand his position, though. That money would be taken from the Jews. That was a fact. The only thing he could influence was whether it goes to another Jew.

      You can justify it that way for yourself. Just as you can justify killing the Jews because if you didn't do it, someone else would have.

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    2. Re:George Soros collaborated with nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all bullshit.

      For several weeks Soros was sent to live as a godson with a Hungarian bureaucrat who inventoried confiscated estates of Jews. One time the fake godfather took Soros for three days to inventory an estate that was voluntarily relinquished in exchange for safe passage out of the country. While there, the two of them were wined and dined by the remaining staff. Why not celebrate the original owner getting away to safety, while he had to masquerage as a Christian and make sure nobody saw him pee (because being circumcized would give him away as a Jew)?

      Later on he had to serve as a message courier (to give the Jewish children and their teachers something to do, as school was outlawed for them). One day he figured out that the messages he was to deliver was telling people to report for internment. He warned the recipients not to go, and when he told his father about it, he was no longer allowed to be a courier.

      From when he was 8 years old to 14 he and his family resisted the Nazis, eventually coming out victorious. He made it out alive when 400,000 others perished. Why shouldn't he be happy about that time of his life?

      dom

  24. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that was the exclusive theatre of the Russians! It's certainly been at least heavily implied in the news...

    Oh, wait. Now I just feel silly.

  25. explore Soros' financial connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what ? What's wrong with that ?
    Soro's 'philanthropic' fundations are lobbying against Brexit and try by all mean to cancel the results of polling.
    (which some would consider strange for so-called 'pro'democracy fundations)

    This is no more (or less) inadequate than investigating Steve Bannon links with alt-right in Europe.

  26. Facebook is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is once again the worst tech company ever, and probably one of the worst things to ever happen to the United States. Mark Zuckerberg needs to be fired, and if anything he has done is criminal, he needs to be indicted.

    Dump Facebook. Facebook is evil.

  27. Who is really behind FAKE NEWS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Follow the money!

  28. Circular Reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absence of evidence is certainly evidence for a conspiracy that suppresses any possible evidence.

  29. everybody does it by sad_ · · Score: 1

    many, many years ago there was an article on /. about the fact that each time you read a tech article that is negatieve about a technology or tech company, there is a marketing firm behind it hired by a competitor.

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    1. Re:everybody does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      sad_ reminisced:

      many, many years ago there was an article on /. about the fact that each time you read a tech article that is negatieve about a technology or tech company, there is a marketing firm behind it hired by a competitor.

      That may or may not be true today. Tech journalism has become an open sewer of graft and shameless flackery, especially since the dead-pages advertising revenue drought began, but there were in the past, and there are still today, tech journalists who call them as they see them, and let the chips fall wherever they fall.

      (Not the Gizmodo people, of ccourse. They eagerly spread their jounalistic cheeks for any company that's willing to cross their palms - with no condom required.)

      Which is not to say it wasn't problematic back when I was writing for tech journals (between 1995 and 2002, fwiw). In fact I lost my first job in the industry when LAN Times' corporate parent kicked Susan Breidenback upstairs, fired her whole editorial staff, and brought in alumni of PC Week to replace them. The new Features editor called me to say that the magazine's "new direction" for columnists would be predicated on "more closely aligning the content in the back of the book with what we'll be covering in the front."

      When I responded by asking, "In other words, you want me to write glowingly about your major advertisers' latest product releases?" he replied, "Essentially, yes."

      So I quit. Without hesitation. Because, fuck that.

      The following year, Jack Rickard, Editor Rotundus at Boardwatch Magazine recruited me to write for him. At the time, Boardwatch was supporting itself on a mix of paid subscription and advertising revenue, but Jack's attitude toward criticizing its advertisers was, "As long as you're right, go ahead. And fuck 'em, if they don't like it."

      Of course, a year or so after Penton Media bought the mag from him, their poobahs decided to switch to the same "qualified subscriber" freebie revenue model that all the bigs employ (which pissed our existing subscriber base off mightily, of course). Then came the same kind of editorial decapitation I'd experienced at LAN Times, and the new management kissed off every one of its writing staff - except John C. Dvorak, whom I always assumed they kept because he was an actual celebrity.

      (Not that I'm criticizing John here. He's a friend of mine, and a writer whose work I thoroughly enjoy. The imbecility of Penton's executives was neither his fault, nor his concern.)

      Within a year after that, the first Internet bubble kerploded. (One of the things that had gotten me fired was a column I wrote warning my readers that a reckoning was coming, and cautioning them that "If your business plan's path to profitabilty ends at 'And then we'll get acquired,' or, 'And then we'll go public,' your business doesn't actually have a path to profitability. You might, but it most certainly doesn't." He read me the riot act over that one - and it sealed my fate.) Penton fired the entire, replacement editorial staff, and sold the name Boardwatch to a couple of aspiring web journalists a few months afterward.

      But, unlike me, there were plenty of tech writers who were happy to whore themselves out, without the slightest qualm. And, obviously, there were plenty of magazine publishers who felt the same way ...

      (Posting as AC only so as not to undo prior upmods in this thread.)

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  30. And of course Slashdot by wiredog · · Score: 0

    Rates an easily disprovable anti-semitic troll, posted by an true coward, anonymously, as "+2, Informative".

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    1. Re:And of course Slashdot by syril · · Score: 1

      Easily disprovable how? In the video from the link he says exactly what the script says, aside from the last 4 lines. and how would it be anti-semetic?

  31. Re:Killing Nazis is one of the greatest things eve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last time I heard Trump's slogan is make America great again and not make Germany great again, which is a complete contradiction of a Nazi since Nazism is a term specifically oriented at German supremacy and no other.
    On that account if you are one of those stupider people who mix Nazism and Nationalism since one refers to Germanic people and the other is a blanket term for any ethnic brand of nationalism, you should at least know that the forces who fought Nazism fought them with their own nationalism, since the war against Nazism for most countries was a war to preserve their own national values from being erased by Nazism, making nationalism itself the main weapon against Nazism in an ironic paradox. On another additional account the Eastern European Communism highly embraced Patriotism during their war against Nazism which is another contradiction with your purple-hair Communism/Marxism in the West, as Western Communists would be the first to hang during the first established year of Eastern Communism. All in all it seems Western education has fallen into the gutter in the past few years, or at least the most vocal proponents representing it, which explains Trump so easily manipulating both his own voters on naivety and your kind in giving him free marketing he doesn't have to pay for.

  32. You didn't touch the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Rates an easily disprovable anti-semitic troll, posted by an true coward, anonymously, as "+2, Informative".

    That's an interview of Soros in his own words on 60 minutes. Tell us again how his own words are "easily disprovable" now? You didn't touch the facts because you can't answer a damn thing about that.

    You guys just throw out this nonsense to distract people from actually looking at the link, lest they believe their own eyes and ears rather than what someone else told them to think.

    Guess what, that won't change any if I log in, either. Why do people believe the side with the low effort diversions vs. those who post verifiable facts? The man went on TV, admitted to collaborating with Nazis, said he didn't feel bad about it, and you're defending him. Normally you guys say we should punch Nazis. What changed?

  33. Just ask santa and the easter bunny by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    No evidence of those but we all know the stories--- they must be in a conspiracy to hide the evidence.

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  34. Time to join MeWe by storagedude · · Score: 2

    I've been considering dumping Facebook and FB-owned Instagram for a while. This finally pushed me over the edge - they respond to criticism that they're destroying democracy by fanning vile, anti-Semitic and anti-democratic conspiracies. Fuck them, I joined MeWe.com today.

  35. Facebook, how do you like zero privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You spy on us. We'll spy on you and bust your ass wide open. Sorry.

  36. Didn't read the article, saw it happen live. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    Was waiting for someone to call BS, who am I to change public opinion. I'm on record posting when Microsoft stole data from everybody who installed GWX (Early 4/2015) nothing happened about it, hell I was kicked off https://www.sevenforums.com/ over it.

    Just after Facebook hit the fan, fingers were pointed at Google and their privacy practice for a short while then blow over and it happen again, time after time. Google should be proud of their practice, and people who don't see that deserve facebook.

    Those what we collect on each website now expressing their privacy policy, yep have facebook to thank for that.
    Facebook's sin is showing what one could get away with.

  37. Zach Patterson / ZIP "Greatest Hits" (lol, not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See how STUPID "ZIP" (Zach Patterson) the CHIMP is (tried to take credit for what I solved before him) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... (he needs to LEARN TO READ)!

    I even SHOW ways to do it YOURSELF https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... (he couldn't).

    Delphi/FreePascal/ObjectPascal HAS no issue w/ null-term'd string bufferoverflows - C does, C++ can UNLESS you do what I said 1st loser.

    Tell us about CODE SIGNING (which has been STOLEN & ABUSED) https://www.helpnetsecurity.co... MY METHOD CAN'T BE (upmodded +2 INTERESTING in CODING FOR DEFCON no less) https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    "I'm a much better programmer than APK" - by Anonymous Coward ZIP on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:27PM (#57449082) FROM https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    BIG TALK - Yet ZIP has nothing to show in programs. I can https://news.slashdot.org/comm... from registered /.ers liking/using/praising my work (& 100k users worldwide too). He can't.

    LIAR ZIP says he has no account "I don't have an account, so I don't have mod points" https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    Yet LIAR ZIP says he downmods my posts (IMPOSSIBLE MINUS AN ACCOUNT on /.): "I down-modded a few of your post on other threads" - by Anonymous Coward "ZIP" on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:31AM (#57461058) FROM https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> KEEP IMPERSONATING ME CHIMP - this comes out every time, lol!... apk

  38. ZIP = "better programmer" (lol, not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You said it ZIP: Where's your work everyone can see/use? It's not. It's HOTAIRWARE/NOTWARE (lol) "I'm a much better programmer than APK" - by Anonymous Coward ZIP on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:27PM (#57449082) FROM https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    The BETTER PROGRAMMER w/ no programs, lol - @ least you can say your "code" has NO BUGS - of course, it also does ZERO (like you) since it does nothing @ all, lol!

    You hotair BLOWHARD talker, lol!

    You f'd up ZIP https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    Yet 100,000++ users of my ware & dozens of even REGISTERED /.ers like/use/praise MY work https://news.slashdot.org/comm... vs. your HOTAIR talk punk!

    * LMAO!

    (Let's see how YOU take it when I publicly SHIT ALL OVER YOU by letting FACTS of YOUR FUCKUPS vs. ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... do the job for me)

    APK

    P.S.=> You STUPID & LAZY all talk chimpanzee - KEEP IMPERSONATING me - I'll expose your BLOWHARD INCOMPETENCE publicly, lol... apk

  39. Re:Tech stories please by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    I think people greatly overestimate Facebook's ability to manipulate public opinion. Facebook influences the public opinion by letting people divide themselves far further and deeper that they would have otherwise but that is the nature of Facebook, not something it controls.

  40. G. Soros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is not who you think he is. He was complicit and even admitted to that on TV. He was a killer involved in the holocaust:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/soros-obsession-conspiracy-theories-prevail-180604210828301.html