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Facebook Reportedly Hired a PR Firm That Wrote Negative Articles About Rivals, Pushed George Soros Conspiracy Theory (cnbc.com)

According to a recently-published report in the New York Times, Facebook hired a public relations firm last year that wrote dozens of articles critical of rivals Google and Apple and pushed the idea that liberal financier George Soros was behind a growing anti-Facebook movement. "Facebook expanded its relationship with Definers Public Affairs in October 2017 after enduring a year's worth of external criticism over its handling of Russian interference on its social network," CNBC summarizes. From the report: The firm reportedly wrote articles that blasted Google and Apple while downplaying the impact of Russian interference on Facebook. Those articles were published on NTK Network, an affiliate of the firm whose content is often followed by politically conservative outlets, including Breitbart, the report says. Definers Public Affairs also reportedly pressed reporters to explore Soros' financial connections with groups that protested Facebook at Congressional hearings in July.

Facebook's relationship with Definers Public Affairs were outlined as part of a broader report that looked at the company's handling of numerous scandals over the past three years, including Russian interference and the Cambridge Analytica scandal in March. Other revelations in the report include Sheryl Sandberg's apparent fury when former security chief told the board of directors in fall 2017 about the full extent of Russian interference on the platform, and Mark Zuckerberg ordering managers to use Android phones after Apple CEO Tim Cook criticized the company's approach to privacy earlier this year.

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  1. Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is our new normal did anyone not notice yet? Take everything with a grain of salt and keep watching the boob tube

  2. Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The good news is that fake stories and conspiracy theories aren't working so well any more. Racism, anti-semitism, and anti-immigrant hysteria just aren't getting the job done like they did in 2016.

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    1. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck this shit. Who wants to stay up all night reading this crap? Die happier reading a textbook or watching cement dry

    2. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But news falsely claiming certain people are racists and misogynists are wide spread. I'd say fake news is doing just fine.

    3. Re:Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yea, yea, everyone you don't like is literally Hitler. We get it.

    4. Re:Silver lining by Powercntrl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Racism, anti-semitism, and anti-immigrant hysteria just aren't getting the job done like they did in 2016.

      I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not, because here in Florida the don't monkey this up candidate got more votes (and likely will be the winner if they ever finish counting ballots). Of course, I'm sure the line of thinking with most voters was "I don't mind voting for the guy the racists think is racist, so long as it keeps taxes low."

      It's also Florida being Florida, as usual.

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    5. Re:Silver lining by terrycarlino · · Score: 1, Troll

      Yep, if Democrats have anything to say about it all those dead people and non-citizens will be voting a storm up for Democratic candidates.

      I'm sure the poll workers will be working overtime stuffing ballots in their trunks for later use just in case a Republic actually gets enough votes to win.

    6. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I looked up Gillum's policies, and as a European I'm baffled as how he could be described as far left, as in Europe he would be considered a solidly mainstream centrist. In fact his relatively strident pro-Christian views and gun control views might put him ever so slightly to the right.

    7. Re: Silver lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      as a European I'm baffled as how he could be described as far left

      Considering the governmentally driven Overton Window-realignment underway in much of Europe where "right wing" has been relabeled "nazi", "left wing" has been replaced by "centrist", and "culturally suicidal redistributionist thought police" has been replaced by "liberal", I'm not shocked.

    8. Re:Silver lining by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Do you have any evidence of this? Because so far the only credible evidence I've seen has been of fraud favouring Republican candidates.

      Extraordinary claims and all that...

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    9. Re:Silver lining by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You're not really making yourself look particularly sane when you rail against democracy by citing nonsense.

    10. Re:Silver lining by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      The good news is that fake stories and conspiracy theories aren't working so well any more. Racism, anti-semitism, and anti-immigrant hysteria just aren't getting the job done like they did in 2016.

      Huh? Racism and anti-semitism still work great for your key constituency, and with the thinly veiled "anti Israel" version for the rest of you.

    11. Re:Silver lining by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      Is the sky blue on the planet you live on?

    12. Re:Silver lining by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      You mean the ones that are controlled by Republicans that allow mail in voting? Like Florida?

      The ones that are still receiving votes by mail postmarked before the election, because, I don't know, the person who mailed it was in Iraq or something? Now why would an American citizen be in Iraq? Oh wait, I know!

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    13. Re: Silver lining by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Please tell me you're joking. I've been working on a book called "Watching Paint Dry, and Other Adventures" for about 8 years now. It's a small market, and I'd hate to get beaten to it. Now if only I could stop falling asleep during edits, I'd finish it one of these days.

    14. Re:Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Opposition to the current government of Israel is not the same as anti-semitism.

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    15. Re:Silver lining by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And wanting people to legally immigrate is not anti-immigrant.

      Asylum is legal immigration.

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    16. Re:Silver lining by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      You were wanting the overly-sensitive, triggered-by-common-phrase candidate to win, I take it.

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    17. Re:Silver lining by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      No evidence except for the video shared by Marco Rubio.

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    18. Re: Silver lining by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      As an American, I would ask that you keep your European politics in Europe. We fought a war to shrug off your brand of smothering patriarchy. You do things your way. We'll do it ours.

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  3. Re: I hate /. bullies like ZIP & c6gunner... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook should hire apk to write public relations for them, that would probably improve their standing.

  4. Advertizing is the plague of the internet by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PR firms do this kind of thing, it's basically expected for them to lie and deceive as much as legally possible.

    Advertizing is the a deep poison that ruins many things on the internet. Email was a great idea (and still is).....but spam made it almost intolerable for years. Now we've reduced the email spam problem to a tolerable level (by removing open relays and centralizing our mail servers, which is a sad thing), but the problem of advertizing has infected the entire rest of the web. Why does fake news get written? Because you can make a profit off it. If it weren't for profit, then Breitbart would not exist.

    Some people argue that without advertizing, some things couldn't be supported financially. I counter that those things probably aren't worth having around anyway, if people aren't willing to toss a few dollars a year their way to cover hosting. Wikipedia manages. Subscription services like Netflix would still be able to exist.

    It is therefore a moral obligation to use ad blocker: to help make the internet a better place. Since ads contain malware, it is not just the morally correct thing to do, it is also the practical and most reasonable thing to do.

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    1. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by ChesterRafoon · · Score: 1

      Best synopsis of the social media / web situation I've seen yet. I agree 1000%, well done.

    2. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

      There's something about the ad-supported internet that feels like a perpetual motion machine or a violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Somehow it seems like there's a weird subsidy or transfer of wealth involved from the real economy to the internet economy going on that cant possibly be sustainable. It's like aliens will visit Earth in 20 years and marvel at how the entire planet is dedicated to making and watching ads and the resources necessary to keep the internet turned on. Either that, or they will wonder what Easter Island-like culture Earth had that built data centers and powered them until the environment was exhausted, all for ads.

    3. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia manages.

      Yes, but Wikipedia is the biggest donation funded site and has a huge charity operation behind it. That model probably won't work for a lot of sites.

      If there was a way for people to easily contribute small amounts it might work. At the moment making a 10 cent donation is impossible online, the transaction fees kill it. Maybe there could be some kind of central tip handling org that member sites could register visits with to get a cut of a larger monthly donation, but it may be difficult to secure against fraud.

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    4. Re:Advertizing is the plague of the internet by doom · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Wikipedia is the biggest donation funded site and has a huge charity operation behind it. That model probably won't work for a lot of sites.

      It's almost the only thing that does work. Think about it: advertising support sets up an adversarial relationship with the readers, and always threatens to undermine neutrality. Government support works as long as the government is reasonably enlightened, government supported media fails when you need it the most when the government is going bad. Subscription-only media becomes nearly invisible to the public at large, word of mouth disappears, "social media presence" is zero. There's a constant race-to-the-bottom as things that are "free" absorbs everyone's attention, hiding everything else.

      So what we have is (1) donations (2) leaky paywalls with perpetual javascript popup nags.

    5. Re: Advertizing is the plague of the internet by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      At the moment Patreon is showing it's possible for a large number of sites besides Wikipedia.

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  5. Just quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't understand why Americans keep tolerating Facebook. The founder Zuckerberg literally said, "I don't know, they trust me with their data, idiots."

    Does every American have a gun to their head to use Facebook? No? Then delete that shit.

    1. Re:Just quit by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why Americans keep tolerating Facebook.

      Freedom fries and freeze peach. Duh.

      With nuts.

    2. Re:Just quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Erm...You know that Facebooks user base is roughly 6 times the population of the US, right?

      I'm just confused as to why you say "Americans", as I, an American, do not use Facebook, but their user numbers are equivalent to everybody in North America, everybody in Europe and everybody in South America combined and you'd still end up short. Like, if every person in China and every person in India were counted, you'd be slightly over Facebooks user numbers.

      I get it, you don't like Americans, but if you think it's just Americans, you're a damn fool.

  6. Re:Simple rules by Bobrick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A quality think tank would make sure you can't tell it's from a think tank.

  7. Is it time to go yet? by guygo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Delete. Your. Accounts.

    1. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      I second the motion.

    2. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      Delete. Your. Accounts.

      Which won't happen, because people like their echo chambers. Facebook makes it easy to unfollow/block opinions that run counter to your own, and feed you more of what you want to hear.

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    3. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      i done did awhile ago. again, not the app. the entire fucking account. scorch that earth.

    4. Re:Is it time to go yet? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      They should make not having a facebook account a requirement for voting. And possibly for buying groceries.

    5. Re:Is it time to go yet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I cannot.

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    6. Re:Is it time to go yet? by storagedude · · Score: 1

      Joined MeWe.com this morning. This was the last straw: they respond to criticism that they're destroying democracy by fanning fake anti-Semitic and anti-democratic conspiracies. Fuck them, I'm done.

  8. Re:Tech stories please by TigerPlish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The guy posting all this political crap with a faint hint of computers is a retard who is ruining this website.

    You don't get it, do you. Facebook is a tech company, one of the most influential. Why? Because people are dumb shit, that's why. They trust facebook the same way my parents trusted the printed newspaper.

    If you can't see how this is News for Nerd, Stuff that Matters, I posit that you are one of the ones ruining this site.

    Tech has become politicized. Deal with it. Don't ignore it.

    Still don't get it? OK I'll spell out out, let me know if you need pictures, too: Facebook is just another way to manipulate public opinion, but is much more insidious than print ever was.

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  9. Re: Tech stories please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Slashdot

    Slashdot
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    Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters. Timely news source for technology related news with a heavy slant towards Linux and Open Source ...

  10. fake news **2 by astrofurter · · Score: 3, Funny

    What if George Soros paid for this fake news article about George Soros paying for fake news articles??!

    1. Re:fake news **2 by terrycarlino · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      George Soros isn't a liberal. He is a globalist. While many Progressive liberals have globalist leanings, Soros is a genuine market and money fund manipulating globalist. He uses money and influence to topple governments and seems to believe in and support not democracy but control of democratic institutions through influence pedaling and propaganda.

      He's one of a number of ultra-rich people who have accumulated wealth not for it's own sake or for the material possessions it can buy, but so he can control people, countries and cultures.

      He often aligns himself with liberal causes, but only so far as they advance his own agenda. He is a dangerous ally and not one to be trusted.

    2. Re:fake news **2 by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      One of those people you don't want as ally OR enemy.

      The best you can hope for is that his interests align with yours.

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  11. FAKE NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I guess they trust me. Dumb fucks."

    Don't sugarcoat the actual j00 quote, you cuck.

  12. George Soros conspiracy theories not allowed by louzer · · Score: 1

    Conspiracy theories about everything else is OK.

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  13. Re: Simple rules by schure · · Score: 1

    Notwithstanding whatever you think about the report's credibility, the George Soros Foundation took it seriously, it seems. https://gizmodo.com/george-sor...

  14. Re: Simple rules by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    What is it about Soros and the alt-right? I mean why Soros in particular? I've got some alt-right acquaintances (hey, they weren't that way when we were kids) who seem singularly obsessed with the guy. Is it because he's rich and Jewish? Why Soros in particular?

  15. Re: Simple rules by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Soros isn't just trying to promote some ideas that threaten their rhetoric if successful (and since it's usually what the people affected want, it's easy to be successful), he also has the money to back it up. That's pretty unique and makes him a very important target.

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  16. Re:George Soros collaborated with nazis by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    He's an opportunist. Not just in name like me.

    I can understand his position, though. That money would be taken from the Jews. That was a fact. The only thing he could influence was whether it goes to another Jew.

    You can justify it that way for yourself. Just as you can justify killing the Jews because if you didn't do it, someone else would have.

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  17. everybody does it by sad_ · · Score: 1

    many, many years ago there was an article on /. about the fact that each time you read a tech article that is negatieve about a technology or tech company, there is a marketing firm behind it hired by a competitor.

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    1. Re:everybody does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      sad_ reminisced:

      many, many years ago there was an article on /. about the fact that each time you read a tech article that is negatieve about a technology or tech company, there is a marketing firm behind it hired by a competitor.

      That may or may not be true today. Tech journalism has become an open sewer of graft and shameless flackery, especially since the dead-pages advertising revenue drought began, but there were in the past, and there are still today, tech journalists who call them as they see them, and let the chips fall wherever they fall.

      (Not the Gizmodo people, of ccourse. They eagerly spread their jounalistic cheeks for any company that's willing to cross their palms - with no condom required.)

      Which is not to say it wasn't problematic back when I was writing for tech journals (between 1995 and 2002, fwiw). In fact I lost my first job in the industry when LAN Times' corporate parent kicked Susan Breidenback upstairs, fired her whole editorial staff, and brought in alumni of PC Week to replace them. The new Features editor called me to say that the magazine's "new direction" for columnists would be predicated on "more closely aligning the content in the back of the book with what we'll be covering in the front."

      When I responded by asking, "In other words, you want me to write glowingly about your major advertisers' latest product releases?" he replied, "Essentially, yes."

      So I quit. Without hesitation. Because, fuck that.

      The following year, Jack Rickard, Editor Rotundus at Boardwatch Magazine recruited me to write for him. At the time, Boardwatch was supporting itself on a mix of paid subscription and advertising revenue, but Jack's attitude toward criticizing its advertisers was, "As long as you're right, go ahead. And fuck 'em, if they don't like it."

      Of course, a year or so after Penton Media bought the mag from him, their poobahs decided to switch to the same "qualified subscriber" freebie revenue model that all the bigs employ (which pissed our existing subscriber base off mightily, of course). Then came the same kind of editorial decapitation I'd experienced at LAN Times, and the new management kissed off every one of its writing staff - except John C. Dvorak, whom I always assumed they kept because he was an actual celebrity.

      (Not that I'm criticizing John here. He's a friend of mine, and a writer whose work I thoroughly enjoy. The imbecility of Penton's executives was neither his fault, nor his concern.)

      Within a year after that, the first Internet bubble kerploded. (One of the things that had gotten me fired was a column I wrote warning my readers that a reckoning was coming, and cautioning them that "If your business plan's path to profitabilty ends at 'And then we'll get acquired,' or, 'And then we'll go public,' your business doesn't actually have a path to profitability. You might, but it most certainly doesn't." He read me the riot act over that one - and it sealed my fate.) Penton fired the entire, replacement editorial staff, and sold the name Boardwatch to a couple of aspiring web journalists a few months afterward.

      But, unlike me, there were plenty of tech writers who were happy to whore themselves out, without the slightest qualm. And, obviously, there were plenty of magazine publishers who felt the same way ...

      (Posting as AC only so as not to undo prior upmods in this thread.)

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  18. Re:And of course Slashdot by syril · · Score: 1

    Easily disprovable how? In the video from the link he says exactly what the script says, aside from the last 4 lines. and how would it be anti-semetic?

  19. Just ask santa and the easter bunny by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    No evidence of those but we all know the stories--- they must be in a conspiracy to hide the evidence.

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  20. Re: Simple rules by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    I know. If I had a dollar for every time someone said Opinion X or Movement Y weren't real, they were paid actors bought by Soros to pretend to believe what they were saying, why, I'd be as rich as Soros.

    Curiously, none of those people ever accept the counter-suggestion that conservative billionaires could be paying actors to pretend to believe conservative talking points. Only Soros's money is magically powerful in ways that other people's money is not.

  21. Time to join MeWe by storagedude · · Score: 2

    I've been considering dumping Facebook and FB-owned Instagram for a while. This finally pushed me over the edge - they respond to criticism that they're destroying democracy by fanning vile, anti-Semitic and anti-democratic conspiracies. Fuck them, I joined MeWe.com today.

  22. Re: Simple rules by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    I wish you'd used some words and not just shared a link. I don't know what part of my comment that article is trying to address, refute, or whatever.

  23. Didn't read the article, saw it happen live. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    Was waiting for someone to call BS, who am I to change public opinion. I'm on record posting when Microsoft stole data from everybody who installed GWX (Early 4/2015) nothing happened about it, hell I was kicked off https://www.sevenforums.com/ over it.

    Just after Facebook hit the fan, fingers were pointed at Google and their privacy practice for a short while then blow over and it happen again, time after time. Google should be proud of their practice, and people who don't see that deserve facebook.

    Those what we collect on each website now expressing their privacy policy, yep have facebook to thank for that.
    Facebook's sin is showing what one could get away with.

  24. Re:Tech stories please by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    I think people greatly overestimate Facebook's ability to manipulate public opinion. Facebook influences the public opinion by letting people divide themselves far further and deeper that they would have otherwise but that is the nature of Facebook, not something it controls.

  25. Re: Simple rules by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

    it has nothing to do with him being Jewish

    It's a variation of the old "Jews control all governments" canard.

  26. Re: Simple rules by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates doesn't threaten the status quo.

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