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Jeff Bezos To Employees: 'One Day, Amazon Will Fail' But Our Job is To Delay it as Long as Possible (cnbc.com)

Days before Amazon announced the cities it had picked for its HQ2, CEO Jeff Bezos had to address a separate but related concern among employees: Where is all this headed? At an all-hands meeting last Thursday in Seattle, an employee asked Bezos about Amazon's future. Specifically, the questioner wanted to know what lessons Bezos has learned from the recent bankruptcies of Sears and other big retailers. From a report: "Amazon is not too big to fail," Bezos said, in a recording of the meeting that CNBC has heard. "In fact, I predict one day Amazon will fail. Amazon will go bankrupt. If you look at large companies, their lifespans tend to be 30-plus years, not a hundred-plus years." The key to prolonging that demise, Bezos continued, is for the company to "obsess over customers" and to avoid looking inward, worrying about itself. "If we start to focus on ourselves, instead of focusing on our customers, that will be the beginning of the end," he said. "We have to try and delay that day for as long as possible." Bezos' comments come at a time of unprecedented success at Amazon, with its core retail business continuing to grow while the company is winning the massive cloud-computing market and gaining rapid adoption of its Alexa voice assistant in the home.

129 comments

  1. warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I predict one day Amazon will fail. Amazon will go bankrupt. - Short their stock now!!!

  2. profits of doom forecast off the scales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't look now is the advise?

  3. Delay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'At least until I'm sworn into office.'

    Then the collapse will be on someone else's shoulders.

  4. I read it differently by Nexus7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not having had my coffee yet, I read "One day Amazon will be fair."

    1. Re:I read it differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bezos scaring the workers. The rest of amazon doesn't believe this. Opportunities abound.

    2. Re:I read it differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only gaffot Rawlsians need a crutch like "fair" . Rest of us enjoy ripping snowflakes and nibbers a new azzwhole. Here comes yours ...

    3. Re:I read it differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having had my coffee yet, I read "One day Amazon will be fair."

      Watch out for the powdered coffee creamers, if you use any. I've had one kidney fail because of that shit.

    4. Re: I read it differently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter. Amazon pretty much exists to make Bezos money.

  5. Once I die, who cares what happens to the world? . by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative
    That is how most rich people think. Just delay it, global warming, population explosion, running out of oil, precarious infrastructure, giving away the crown jewels of the economy to the enemy, nothing matters, as long as I am convinced all the bad things will happen after my lifetime.

    The people who care are the evangelists. Either the old style religious evangelists and the new breed of nature, vegetarianism, environmentalism evangelists.

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  6. Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's why he's so successful. My prediction is Amazon will continue to be great until there's new management (ie. until after he retires or passes away).

    1. Re:Very smart man by supremebob · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine that even after he dies/retires, the company will continue to be a behemoth for another decade or so until finally getting out innovated and eventually becoming the next Sears.

      I mean, look at Apple... almost nothing new or really innovative has come out of that company since Steve Jobs died, but they're are still printing money selling products with slightly better specs than last year's model.

    2. Re:Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why he's so successful. My prediction is Amazon will continue to be great until there's
      new management (ie. until after he retires or passes away).

      He's not that smart. Steve Jobs died and Apple has done quite well.

      Bad management can be a problem, but there's a bigger issue. Look at recent bankruptcies:

      Sears, large retailer in business for over 100 years
      Toy-R-Us, second largest toy retailer in the U.S.
      iHeart Radio, formerly Clear Channel Communications, owns 850 radio stations, largest radio company in the U.S.
      Guitar Center, largest musical instrument retailer in the U.S.

      Different companies in different lines of business, but all of their bankruptcies have the same cause:

      Massive debt, resulting from leveraged buyouts. Most of them led by Bain Capital (you may remember their former CEO, Mitt Romney).

    3. Re:Very smart man by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      He's not that smart. Steve Jobs died and Apple has done quite well.

      Apple is still going on inertia. Removing ports that people still use today, putting sub-par keyboards to make laptops thinner, increasing prices by 20% or more while the rest of the industry can sell better hardware at lower prices... Apple's best days are behind them.

      Tim Cook is not a Mac user, he's an iPad user. And it shows.

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    4. Re:Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toys R Us, Guitar Center and Sears were all affected by online retailers eating away massive chunks of their business before the leveraged buyouts that Bain Capital used to repeatedly rape the corpses, or near corpses. Clear Channel/iHeart Radio sucks, and always did suck, so I won't even bother trying to reason why it took so long for them to start falling down.

    5. Re:Very smart man by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      They did innovate with something completely new: a really crap keyboard that breaks at the first spec of dust and costs 50% of the price of the machine to repair because it's all glued together.

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    6. Re:Very smart man by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Look at the not-quite-bankruptcy cases as well though. Companies have golden ages taper out for any number of reasons, and if that happens at the wrong time in your business cycle that can mean uncertain death.

      The big risk I see for Amazon is a general drop in consumerism. They are less susceptible to it today than 5-10 years ago, but it would change their business instantly.

    7. Re: Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Go back and check your timelines again - ToysRUs and Sears were both Bain'ed right when they should have been plowing money into updating their internet presence, but they were not Bain'ed because of any great failure to do so at the time.

    8. Re:Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at Microsoft, their last decent product was Windows 7, and 10 years later they are still making money hand over fist purely on inertia.

    9. Re:Very smart man by laie_techie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Different companies in different lines of business, but all of their bankruptcies have the same cause:

      Massive debt, resulting from leveraged buyouts. Most of them led by Bain Capital (you may remember their former CEO, Mitt Romney).

      Mitt Romney stopped being involved in day-to-day operations of Bain Capital in February 1999 so he could work on the SLC Winter Olympics. He officially left Bain Capital in early 2002.

      Bain Capital's relationship with Toys-R-Us began in 2004 - 2 years after Mitt Romney left.

      "On 20 July 2008, iHeartRadio "announced the completion of a merger with an indirect wholly owned subsidiary of CC Media holdings, Inc., a corporation formed by a private equity group co-lead by Bain Capital Partners, LLC and Thomas H. Lee Partners, L.P." source. Roughly 6 years after Romney officially left Bain.

      In 2005 Vornado Realty Trust bought 7.5 million shares of Sears Canada. Vornado was also involved with Bain Capital in taking over Toys “R” Us, which took over KB Toys resulting in 3,400 jobs lost." source. Note this source is extremely anti-Romney and places the date of acquisition as 2005 - years after Romny left Bain.

      The June 2008 issue of SF Guitar Tech includes the sentence: "Bain Capital, an equity fund that was founded by 3 people, including Mitt Romney (take that in whatever way you want), recently bought Guitar Center for 2.1 Billion dollars." Again, years after Romney left Bain.

    10. Re:Very smart man by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Removing ports that people still use today,

      They were the first to remove the floppy drive - and certainly weren't the last. Everyone else has followed. This is nothing new for Apple. They don't follow trends, they set them - even if they turn out dumb.

      Maintaining the status quo for decades gets you IBM. To stay alive you have to shake things up and at least try to innovate. Even if it means favoring wireless communication over wired before the world catches up. I no longer use my phone as a music device (except in the car via USB-C), and my phone is not an iPhone. It has no headphone jack either. At home, I cast to speakers. With Chromecast Audio, at least, I don't think there is any transcoding before transmitting. And in the end, a mobile device doesn't have much room for a decent DAC, so better to let the big device with the speakers do the job.

    11. Re:Very smart man by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Isn't it more likely that as soon as the board decides that a person who wears a tie and says Synergy is the best person to run the company the company will fail.

      Look at Cisco. There's a moron at the head cranking up prices like crazy and bullying customers but showing amazing returns on the stocks. And yet, everyone in the rest of the world is starting to look elsewhere now. We can't afford Cisco anymore. Hell my company sold $2 billion of Cisco last year and our Cisco sales forecast is so bad the parent company is basically shutting us down. We just can't sell the shit anymore because Cisco treats their customers so unfairly now. But Chuck Robbins is a moron with a tie trying to rape his customers and then convince those same customers they should simply leave their pants down for a repeat action that won't be so bad next time.

      Microsoft almost died because Bill Gates left the company to Steve Balmer. I mean how long did it take from Balmer's exit until Satya Nadella managed to make people trust Microsoft more now than they ever did before? Balmer was the board's true love, he wasn't a nerdy guy like Gates and he could listen to reason and focus only on the share like a good little CEO. And in the mean time, everyone basically ran for their lives. Then came Nadella who focused on product, customer and community and now even I like Microsoft. Shit, in the years Balmer ran it, not a single new product they made succeeded so far as I know.

      Apple... Oh lordy lordy lordy... there he is ... Tim Cooke. Yeh... a great guy... he's managed to turn Apple from a fashion company into some deranged money laundering company. He uses the massive financial power of Apple to buy money in on country and sell it in another. By exploiting the bonds market as it stands today because all nations need bonds to finance their own spending, Apple has become possibly the most powerful stock market force in history. So long as they can maintain trust, their tremendous cash stock piles will make them ever more powerful. They'll probably reach a point where any blip on their share price can have massive ripple effects throughout the world. We can't go after them, we can't attack them... they're a huge and fragile giant that controls so much of the world's money that they can now forcefully influence governments, they can bully political leaders, they can ignore court judgements... they're untouchable... but they are not a tech or fashion company... that's more of their "Oh yeh... no we aren't money launderers, we sell phones and stuff too"

      Dell... haha what happened when Dell became a public company and the board took over?

      Amazon will fail. But I honestly believe that, Amazon and Google will eventually be almost forced to merge into a single company. I also think that Walmart and Amazon will either merge or agree to share logistics. So Amazon and Walmart will basically become two web sites to the same thing.

      The reason is this... we're past the point where the governments can break Amazon or Apple or Google up anymore. They can simply say no... we don't want to. And then the government can punish them... and they can sway the elections anywhere in the world to get what they want.

      Amazon will optimize delivery. They'll kill off the warehouse worker. 90% or more of the entire logistical infrastructure of buying anything will be automated. They'll fight with Chinese companies to gain presence in each country around the world and eventually they will dominate the entire supply chain to the extent that even if you're running your own business, you'll have to buy your materials from Amazon or the Chinese company. There will always be nutjob purists, but to be fair, if Amazon sorts out automated delivery and all the logistics involved and then brings Amazon to Norway (where I am), I think I'll buy everything from them. I assume within a few years, they'll buy out the local companies in Scandinavia.

      Amazon will achieve internationally far more than Walmart ever did in the U.S..

    12. Re:Very smart man by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Mitt Romney stopped being involved in day-to-day operations of Bain Capital in February 1999 so he could work on the SLC Winter Olympics. He officially left Bain Capital in early 2002.

      Bain Capital's relationship with Toys-R-Us began in 2004 - 2 years after Mitt Romney left.

      How dare you soil our narrative with mere facts???

    13. Re:Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 retailers getting crushed by more nimble brick & mortar competitors and only shopping, and one media company using radio, a dying technology due to changing customer behaviors. In all 3 cases I'd argue it's more of a "bad management" problem and not shifting the business model entirely - you can't have a company survive for 100 years without adopting new technology and business models entirely (look at IBM or Nintendo). Sure, LBOs don't help, but in this case it's more of a matter of Bain Capital trying to catch a falling knife and getting themselves a cut...

    14. Re: Very smart man by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Yep, they were all acquired by Hedge Fund managers; gutted, and in some cases (Sears) the Hedge Funds even took employee pensions (due to deregulation in the 80's and 90's). The shells of the companies get auctioned off and everyone loses their job - well except the hedge fund: time to move on to the next company and extract money from it.

    15. Re:Very smart man by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Removing ports that people still use today,

      They were the first to remove the floppy drive - and certainly weren't the last. Everyone else has followed. This is nothing new for Apple. They don't follow trends, they set them - even if they turn out dumb.

      Oh, this chestnut! Yes, Apple got rid of the floppy drive, but the floppy was starting to get cramped, and exchanging files with PC users was a nonstarter because the disk formats weren't cross-platform. The floppy disk's problems made it clear it wasn't a long term solution, and it's wasn't an iterative media - there were a few proprietary attempts to keep the form factor and some backwards compatibility, but there wasn't a standard 120MB storage medium, for example, in the same way floppy disks were. Nobody but Iomega made ZIP drives, and nobody but Sony made the Superdisk, so Apple picking a successor to the floppy would have been a matter of them picking a winner that they would then be dependent upon.

      USB type A ports are *not* a fair comparison. USB 3.0 ports are backwards compatible with the billions of devices that use USB 2.0. USB2 is fast enough for plenty of things (no mouse or keyboard is shuffling data faster than 480Mbits/sec), and USB 3.0 is faster than most single drive storage media can shuffle data out the door. Adding USB-C connectors isn't the point of contention. Removing the USB-A connectors is the problem. It's not like USB-C would have had its adoption meaningfully delayed if Apple still included a USB-A port or two for this generation as a transition.

      Maintaining the status quo for decades gets you IBM. To stay alive you have to shake things up and at least try to innovate.

      Yes, but innovation is not giving loyal customers with workflows and very expensive equipment the finger. IBM had plenty of its own issues, not the least of which was its trouble with software - OS/2 was ahead of its time in many respects but didn't capture the desktop market, Domino was a great web server but depended on DB2 which wasn't a big hit except for firms that were on the full IBM stack...including Lotus Notes, a piece of software whose groans are only rivaled by Oracle. IBM had nothing to lose by trying to do a ground-up rewrite of Notes, but they instead ceded that market to Microsoft with Exchange. IBM was not-innovating because they were basically the first to shift to a rent seeking model off their well-entrenched mainframes and other customers, rather than writing x86 software.

      Even if it means favoring wireless communication over wired before the world catches up.

      Try using Wi-Fi in a Manhattan high-rise, where there are probably 100 SSIDs in range of any given apartment, meaning that wired network connections are about the only way to get an internet connection worth a damn. Wires will always be faster, simpler, and more reliable than radio signals in one form or another. For iPads that's fine, but wireless transfers have plenty of shortcomings that are solved with a wire. Not having them as an option isn't trendsetting, at least in a truly positive direction.

      I no longer use my phone as a music device (except in the car via USB-C), and my phone is not an iPhone. It has no headphone jack either. At home, I cast to speakers. With Chromecast Audio, at least, I don't think there is any transcoding before transmitting. And in the end, a mobile device doesn't have much room for a decent DAC, so better to let the big device with the speakers do the job.

      And literally none of that is impossible to do with an 1/8" headphone jack.

    16. Re:Very smart man by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Try using Wi-Fi in a Manhattan high-rise, where there are probably 100 SSIDs in range of any given apartment

      Try 5GHz - the shorter range means you might need a few devices for even a modest apartment but it naturally limits interference. 802.11ad is even more limited (as in not available yet), which is a good thing for dense environments. Most smart speakers also offer Bluetooth, which is designed around short range and low bandwidth.

      And literally none of that is impossible to do with an 1/8" headphone jack.

      For Apple, this was more about making the devices thinner for yet another generation instead of using the empty space for more battery. In both cases, those issues are easily overcome with an adapter.

    17. Re:Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at Microsoft, their last decent product was Windows 7, and 10 years later they are still making money hand over fist purely on inertia.

      Microsoft makes most of their money on Azure hosting Linux machines.

    18. Re:Very smart man by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      There's still innovation at Apple (AirPods, Watch, FaceID). It just takes time to get it right. How many innovations has Samsung burned through without any kind of market traction?

      Also, most people are OK with slow progress.
      Just look at Google, trying things, working on them for a while and then abandoning them or morphing them into something else.
      Most people have better things to do than play the guinea-pig for some Silicon-Valley Tech Giant.

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    19. Re: Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You like microsoft? Wtf? Why?

    20. Re: Very smart man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airpods. Lol. There were smaller and better bluetooth earbuds on the market before them.

  7. Save The World: by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make "One Day" TODAY!

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    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:Save The World: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bezos: "...avoid looking inward, worrying about itself..."

      Translation: "don't fix the problems with underpaid, overworked workers living in tents near the worksites, just keep making money for me"

    2. Re:Save The World: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    3. Re:Save The World: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So true. I mean, that company is most likely going to go down by arrogance.

  8. So I Need you to work 80+ hours a week NO OT by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    So I Need you to work 80+ hours a week with NO OT pay

  9. OUR work by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    The title of this article reminded me Life of Brian's solidarity, brother.

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  10. Clever guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's unusual for a CEO to be so frank about the possibility of failure.

    What I think he left unsaid was that most companies tend to prosper when their owners/founders are heavily involved. Once the founders are gone, the company can do well for a while on inertia, but the people running the company often no longer understand or care about the factors that originally made the company successful.

    He probably doesn't expect Amazon's success to continue when he is no longer involved.

    1. Re:Clever guy by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Nahhh, once Bezos Prime's conscious has been uploaded to the Wandering Shepherd orbital platform, he'll instruct his robotic army to reduce the earth to ash and cinder -- and from his orbital perch he'll crush any attempt by the survivors to rebuild.

      The rule of Bezos Prime will never end. It will be as a boot forever stomping on a human face (which you can also get with free 2 day delivery anywhere in the continental US)

  11. Conglomerates all Fail eventually by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 3

    The larger Amazon becomes and the more businesses it buys or gets into, the harder it will be to see when it starts to fail at its core business. The company will be able to continue to report record revenues while hiding that certain portions of its business may be stagnating or even failing, but are propped up by the other portions. This was the case of GE, where for the longest time it was in everything from biomedical devices to airplane engines to locomotives to power generation to financing to you name it. Under Welch all was well because of his obsession with performance, but under subsequent leaders, these lines began to fail at different rates and weren't addressed early enough to stop the bleeding. GE is now like a deflating balloon, shedding business divisions left and right as it tries to right itself. Amazon may be successful in everything from cloud computing to groceries to electronic devices to selling just about everything under Bezos, but one has to wonder if the next leader can keep it all going without cracks forming.

    1. Re:Conglomerates all Fail eventually by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The larger Amazon becomes and the more businesses it buys or gets into, the harder it will be to see when it starts to fail at its core business.

      It's quite easy to see when cloud computing hosting is failing because you have to-the-minute metrics on use. AWS is now Amazon's core business, it brings in more net profit than retail.

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  12. Not in Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Japan, the major companies are in virtually all industries and have been around for literally hundreds of years.

    Amazon Japan.. still kicking along four hundred years from now?

    1. Re:Not in Japan by colinwb · · Score: 2

      While it's true that many of the world's oldest companies are in Japan and go back hundreds of years, my guess is that if you filter the list to include only those with billions of dollars as turnover (to be comparable with Amazon) then what's left might be chemical and engineering companies dating from the latter part of the 19th century (or later) and might be in Germany as well as Japan.

    2. Re: Not in Japan by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...are in virtually all industries and have been around for literally hundreds of years.

      Japan had craft before the late 1800's but I don't believe they had much industry. If you find a centuries-old manufacturer if something in Japanese, it'll likely be a prestigious brand of expensive hand-made soap, silk kimonos or perhaps some expensive gift-boxed senbei...

    3. Re: Not in Japan by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      How the fuck did autocorrect turn itself on...

  13. He isn't wrong. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    If you have seen the Pixar movie Wall-e made just 10 years ago. It showed a future with the Big Unstoppable Buy n Large (In essence a parity of Walmart) just got so big and influential that it took over and destroyed the world.

    Now today Amazon is bigger then Walmart and they are struggling to fight for competition with Amazon. Just as these big box stores dominated the last decade, are now their former self. There are plenty of other forces ready to unseat Amazons spot.

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    1. Re:He isn't wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are plenty of other forces ready to unseat Amazons spot.

      Where? Point to them. Amazon is dominating retail, and that's not even their most profitable business. AWS produced something like $300M more than retail in net profits for Amazon last year. The fact that they're in these two businesses specifically is the key to their ongoing success. These days, a site like Amazon is mostly in the cloud anyway, so in order to compete with Amazon, someone else would have to become them. But good luck undercutting them in both of those markets... You basically already have to have the cloud on standby. Who's got that? Microsoft, Oracle. Neither one could feasibly defeat Amazon in retail.

      I think that Amazon is safe until the way we do business changes again.

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    2. Re:He isn't wrong. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Alibaba is an example. They got going five years after Amazon and are now the same ballpark size. If Alibaba is better at figuring out the western market than Amazon is at getting into the Asian market, then Amazon could be in trouble. Alibaba also has a natural advantage in that their home turf is growing faster than Amazon's.

    3. Re:He isn't wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      They got going five years after Amazon and are now the same ballpark size. If Alibaba is better at figuring out the western market than Amazon is at getting into the Asian market, then Amazon could be in trouble.

      No worry, then. Have you actually been to aliexpress? The site is hot garbage. Finding anything is a goddamned nightmare. Further, everything comes straight from China. I'm willing to buy the same items I find on aliexpress from amazon because they tend to be warehoused in the USA, and because I have a reasonable conflict resolution system to work with.

      Alibaba also has a natural advantage in that their home turf is growing faster than Amazon's.

      If they develop competence, they will be a force to be reckoned with, but there doesn't appear to be any danger of that.

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    4. Re:He isn't wrong. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Amazon's site is pretty garbage too, compared to specialty sites. Try searching for some piece of hardware with specific specs. You can't. Yesterday I used the NewEgg search to find something specific I wanted to add to an order from Amazon then looked up the part number on Amazon. Oh, it's 25% cheaper from NewEgg... guess I'm going to order it separately from them.

      Half the stuff on Amazon comes from China too, often by the slow boat. And half the rest comes from Joe Random independents.

      Web sites are cosmetic. It doesn't take much to change them. Warehouses aren't cosmetic, but for a multi-hundred billion dollar multinational megacorp, opening warehouses in a new market you're expanding into isn't that big a hurdle.

      Amazon is far from perfect, and has credible competition both from more specialty e-commerce sites and potential competition in their general market from companies like Alibaba.

    5. Re:He isn't wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3

      Amazon's site is pretty garbage too, compared to specialty sites. Try searching for some piece of hardware with specific specs. You can't.

      Well, you can a little bit. They don't track many specs. I have the same problem with eBay, albeit less so since eBay tracks more facts about items for sale than Amazon does. Inevitably the feature upon which I really want to differentiate isn't tracked their either.

      Yesterday I used the NewEgg search to find something specific I wanted to add to an order from Amazon then looked up the part number on Amazon. Oh, it's 25% cheaper from NewEgg... guess I'm going to order it separately from them.

      Yeah, I usually find that Newegg has the best prices on computer equipment. But OTOH, I usually find that they have the worst prices on anything else they carry. They do have an excellent search function, but as you pointed out, you can easily search on Newegg and then comparison shop.

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    6. Re:He isn't wrong. by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      Amazon is US centric, even if it exists elsewhere like in Canada where I am, here there's maybe 20% of the stuff available on the US site, and often 50% to 200% more expensive. It costs less to buy in the US and have shipping + custom + duties + taxes than to order in Canada. In the US Amazon may be #1 but not elsewhere, don't know about europe but at least in Canada, Amazon sucks.

      AliExpress is impressive, everything is 50% cheaper than amazon, and with ePacket shipping it takes sometimes less than 10 days to be on my porch. And they have an escrow system and it is really simple to resolve conflict.

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    7. Re:He isn't wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 amazon in canada is really garbage.

    8. Re:He isn't wrong. by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      Aliexpress sells the no-name stuff that retails here for 1/10 of the price. The problem is finding a good seller/manufacturer there that delivers consistently good quality.

      Though, a lot of bonded warehouses for Chinese goods are popping up in Europe. Doesn't mean the companies behind them are more legit or trustworthy, though.

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    9. Re: He isn't wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Canadians were good people - how can you still support a business from a country that slaughters their citizens? If youâ(TM)re willing to lie with pigs you will eventually get what you deserve.

    10. Re:He isn't wrong. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Amazon is US centric

      If the buying power of the US citizen continues to fall, then you'll see them put some more energy into other markets.

      AliExpress is impressive, everything is 50% cheaper than amazon,

      You misspelled 10% there, sport. I've been pricing solar equipment lately, and I've been finding the same stuff on amazon and aliexpress (because the actual brand names are shown on aliexpress, and there's more documentation links there) and the difference is much much smaller than you claim.

      and with ePacket shipping it takes sometimes less than 10 days to be on my porch.

      ePackets are pretty amazing, it's obvious that the Chinese government is subsidizing those. Larger items can't go by ePacket, though.

      And they have an escrow system and it is really simple to resolve conflict.

      I've done it with a small item which turned out to be crap, but I don't want to risk it with items costing hundreds or thousands of dollars.

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  14. The Key is to not get Bain'd by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    like Sears. Or Toys R Us. Or Yellow Front (anyone on West cost remember them?).

    Oh, and while we're on the subject treating your employees like crap non stop doesn't help. Even Walmart had to raise pay and decrease workload a bit because they were losing money with unstocked shelves.

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    1. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sears wasn't Bained, it was run by an idiot who put a flawed ideology, based upon a reading of Ayn Rand, as the centerpiece to Sears' strategy. Divisions were purposefully put at war with one another for no good reason, destroying the entire point of having them be part of the same company in the first place. There have been numerous fiascos causing so much in losses that stores closed even before the bankruptcy, the most infamous being one where Sears didn't extend opening hours in the run-up to Christmas one year because none of the divisions wanted to be the one proposing it, and thus forced to pay for it.

      Eddie Lampert had enough evidence to realize he and the ideology he was using was running the company into the ground but continued to do so anyway, apparently oblivious to the damage he was doing.

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    2. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the dude that posted above? Because the failing companies have 1 thing in common, it's an outdated business model that doesn't take into account current technology and customer behavior. Bain Cap just made the mistake of buying them, thinking they could get a good brand at a cheap price and turn it around, but they just couldn't.

    3. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

      Eddie Lampert is a hedge fund manager. Over the last 10 years he sold Sears prime real estate (well below market value) to other companies he owns, and continued gutting the company, he even got employee pensions (in Canada), but was prevented from getting the pensions in the US.

      They typically take on massive debt that the company in question needs to pay interest payments on. Eventually the debt outpaces revenue and chapter 11 comes calling.

    4. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It's true that Lampert is a hedge fund manager but he isn't doing the "Suck the money out until it's dead" thing that Bain capital did with Toys R Us - he's legitimately investing in the company, and trying to make it profitable.

      The problem is he sees it as a social experiment rather than a business venture. Or to put it less kindly, he's a complete and utter moron as far as running businesses goes.

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    5. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Toys R Us was making huge operating profits when it went bankrupt. Unfortunately they were saddled with debt, and the debt wasn't debt they generated, but debt the buyers generated when they decided to finance purchasing Toys R Us with a loan.

      Sears is being run into the ground by an incompetent who's running a social experiment. It is hard to see if it could be profitable or not otherwise, but there's no good reason to presume that, with companies like Target and Walmart doing fine, it'd fail under a more sane leader.

      Can't speak for Yellow Front because I've never heard of them. They may be the unicorn with the outdated business model of which you speak, but the other two were run into the ground for other reasons.

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    6. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      One mustn't forget that Sears.com was the worst e-commerce site ever. Even with a naked browser (and thus no add-ons to screw things up) it usually didn't work right when I was actually trying to use it. It was like a bad mainframe application, but with graphics. Probably that's what it actually was.

      While Amazon was still coming up, Sears had a great chance to dominate the online retail space. But their site sucked and their prices were too high, and then they sold off their real estate and now they're going away.

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    7. Re:The Key is to not get Bain'd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is he sees it as a social experiment rather than a business venture.

      Funny you put it that way as "Suck the money out until it's dead" is actually a legitimate way to run a company, even if the company could be long-term more profitable invested into. In fact, I'd tend to argue that most business ventures are little more than social experiments when they're ran by people who didn't found the company. They don't have experience nor a real stake in the success of the business as it is, no matter how doomed it might be. Sometimes that social experiment pays off because it incidentally introduces needed elements to shift the business in a new direction. Most the time, it looks little different from "suck the money out until it's dead" because that's the only consistent know strategy to extract value out of a company that's dying.

  15. As much as I might dislike him, he got one right by Paul+Neubauer · · Score: 1

    And that one thing is the customer focus rather than the self-focus. If Amazon becomes a means to a non-customer-serving end, that indeed will be the end, or the start of the downward spiral. Sure, it's about money, but you get that from... customers.

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  16. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 0

    Rich people without kids, Maybe. Most I know generally try to make the world a better place, at least until the point that other people's stupidity makes them stop.

    But this stuff is hard. Met a gentleman from Eritrea the other day and we got to talking about the politics and stability in Eritrea/Ethiopia and he explained to me how Obama's focus on "peace" set the peace process back a decade. Kind of gets to the "_____ on what terms" discussion.

  17. This is true wisdom by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every company should know that this is the truth. Every people should know that this is the truth. In fact, the same basic truth exists in regards to life too. Because one day we will die, but it's the job of our entire system to keep from dying as long as possible.

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    1. Re:This is true wisdom by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe in America companies last 30 years, but look at Japan. Lots of very large companies with 100+ year histories. In fact Japan has the most very long lived companies in the world.

      The main difference is that Japanese companies consider employees to be assets. Western investors look at their wage bills and wonder why they are wasting so much money on people they could replace with cheaper labour, without understanding that good people, fair wages and high retention are the reasons why they have been around so long.

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    2. Re:This is true wisdom by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      It has nothing to do with business practices or culture. It has to do with Nature. Everything will end, eventually (no, I don't mean the end of the universe itself, I just mean that nothing lasts forever).

      However, you're onto something, speaking about Japan having the oldest businesses. They also, generally have, the oldest people in the world. The correlation is plain to see.

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    3. Re:This is true wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not so much the companies, they know they are in it for short term profit. They restructure, develop different products, all to extend the time that they might be a viable operation.

      It is consumers and the regular people who worship the companies that are the problem. Sears failing seemed to cause a deep personal anger in so many people, like someone killed one of their children. So did Toys R Us. On a rational level, these has become dreadful outlets that no one I knew shopped at. I think was in a sears once about 5 years ago.

      Walmart is the same way. People hate it, but now that they are failing people don't hate them so much. Now they hate Amazon. No one thought that Walmart could be stopped. No one thinks that Amazon can be stopped. Most don't know history.

    4. Re:This is true wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main difference is that Japanese companies consider employees to be assets.

      No, the main difference is Japanese culture is still a highly sexist patriarchy, caulk full of toxic masculinity.

      The meme of men being the head of the household and the breadwinner is still alive and well in Japan.

      Like how a father is expected to care for his family, the heads of Japanese organizations (be it a company, a school club, or even yakuza aka organized criminal syndicates) are expected to take care of their underlings.

      This creates some longer lasting stable organizations, but one trade off is that they tend to be much more rigid and conservative. It's much harder for the underlings to impress change, like how Google employees protesting their leadership en mass recently.

      Another side effect of this structure is of course, women are expected to be nice and obedient, supporting the men from behind doing all the background "womenly" stuff.

      This wouldn't fly in a western progressive pro-feminist environment.

    5. Re:This is true wisdom by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps it's the Japanese emphasis on honor and integrity? Ritualistic suicide to atone for making a mistake isn't that far back in history over there.

      Or the fact that it was accepted to start at a company and stay there for your entire working life. That kind of long term employment breeds loyalty to the company -- you are invested in its long-term success; rather than cooking the books or selling core business units off for a couple of good quarters; and then float away on your golden parachute.

    6. Re: This is true wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japanese will jump off a cliff into the ocean with their family. Feel free to do the same.

  18. Careful with definitions by sjbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you look at large companies, their lifespans tend to be 30-plus years, not a hundred-plus years.

    That's not quite true unless you are using a rather narrow definition of corporate lifespan. They might only be at the top of their game for 20-30 years but once they get to a certain size they rarely actually die completely in the sense of bankruptcy. They just tend to get absorbed into other companies or shift to a less prominent place in the market. Go look at any company in the Fortune 500. Most of them have been around a LOT longer than 30 years. Apple and Microsoft are already older than 30 years and are unlikely to go away any time soon. Yahoo is/was close to 25 years old as a standalone company but it isn't actually gone, it just got absorbed into another company and that's fairly normal. Amazon has reached sufficient scale that they'd have to do something remarkably stupid to go bankrupt or there would have to be some sort of techtonic shift in the marketplace. Also please recall that Amazon was founded in 1994 so it's already 25 years old and most of that time could properly be described as a large company.

    You have to remember that large companies are the ones that survived. The companies that go away before 30 years are the ones that didn't so there is something of a surviviorship bias in play here. It's entirely plausible that Amazon won't be a standalone company 20 years from now but it's pretty unlikely the company will disappear completely.

    1. Re:Careful with definitions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the 20 years, there will be only Amazon...

  19. Apple by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    "If we start to focus on ourselves, instead of focusing on our customers, that will be the beginning of the end."

    Is he talking about Apple and their obsession with ever-thinner laptops, sacrificing usable keyboards - the main input method of a laptop - to make them 2mm thinner?

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    1. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's an anti-worker's rights speech, in the style of the old "gentleman's" definition: a gentleman never questions his decisions. In other words, he (the gentleman) is a unlearning sociopath destined to fail within the 30 years. I hope Bezos doesn't see himself as such a gentleman. Also, to add to the point others have been made with the Japanese companies, their later successes have been about also looking in. That's what quality thinking and management really is.

  20. Until next recession? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder if Amazon has simple gotten too big to survive a recession? Looking back at Sears, Montgomery Wards, WalMart, KMart, all big retailers experience too much growth and then suffer eventually. Amazon may weather it better, but they are branching out to try and stay viable.

    1. Re:Until next recession? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I think that they would survive a small to moderate recession OK, as most of their profits are coming from AWS from customers with longer term contracts. There is a reason they give those nice discounts for reserved instances, since they're basically money in the bank for them.

      I'd think that they could probably cut back on the retail side and milk that cash cow until the recession was over.

  21. Twist of Truth by Author by orlanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously the author of the article meant to catch eyeballs with that title but he did a huge disservice to Bezos and all the readers by choosing such a title.

    Because the title says the exact opposite of what Bezos said. He didn't say we need to delay the demise of Amazon. Read the 2 simple quotes in the article & submission. Bezos is saying they need to delay the onset of focusing on their survival and stay focused on the customer as long as possible. This will keep Amazon alive. Once Amazon starts focusing on itself, the beginning of the end starts.

    The article's title implies that Amazon is already looking at itself and thus is well on its way to its end. Bezos is saying they need to delay getting to the start of such a day.

    This is a case of the reporter not understanding wisdom and passing on their misunderstanding to those they are supposed to educate.

    1. Re:Twist of Truth by Author by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Same thing. He is saying they need to delay the beginning of the end of the (inevitable) demise. The author simplified it to they need to delay the demise. The difference is pedantic, and I don't know how you come up with the idea that the headline is the "exact opposite".

  22. Zen by LesPeters · · Score: 1

    I see this as very wise: only after accepting that there will be an end (to the company), can one make the intervening time more fulfilling (profitable).

  23. Who are Amazon's Customers? by DalM · · Score: 0

    That question is actually pretty complicated and harder to answer than most people think.

    1. Re:Who are Amazon's Customers? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Individuals, businesses and the government. Individuals are the retail customers and sellers and business/government are the AWS customers and retail sellers. Not complicated at all.

    2. Re:Who are Amazon's Customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That question is actually pretty complicated and harder to answer than most people think.

      People who order stuff from Amazon. That didn't seem so hard.

    3. Re:Who are Amazon's Customers? by DalM · · Score: 1

      So, great. Everyone is their customer.

      So, who is their competition? ... Also everyone.

    4. Re:Who are Amazon's Customers? by DalM · · Score: 1

      But it's also a major advertising platform that sells data. So, it's more like Google than Walmart. But also provides software services to governments and businesses, so it's really more like Microsoft.

      If everyone is their costumer, who should they be focused on?

    5. Re:Who are Amazon's Customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When over half the stuff sold on amazon is from third parties, it gets quite murky. I believe its in the 40s currently, which means they now have very complicated conflicts of interest. Third parties pay amazon to store and/or ship and/or advertise their goods. If they start slipping and putting those first, people can easily click a different button on their browser to go elsewhere. Would probably start as a trickle, but could become a mass exodus depending on how they handle it. Amazon getting a larger and larger cut of all retail could be the beginning of the end.

    6. Re:Who are Amazon's Customers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone!

  24. How Will It End? by icebeing · · Score: 1

    ...in Fire! Says the Amazonian Vorlon

  25. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by DalM · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most I know generally try to make the world a better place...

    Minor correction:
    Most I know generally try to make the world a better place... ... so long as the steps needed to do that don't interfere with their personal life styles or personal business interests.

  26. Essential Book Reading by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    There are two books that discuss how and why companies last

    * From Good to Great
    * Built to Last

    I'm assuming Bezos has read them.

    There are usually 2 reasons companies fail:

    * Implode -- bureaucracy grinds effectiveness to a halt
    * Explode -- competition does it better, faster, cheap

    Will see what happens to Amazon.

  27. Obsess over customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article is exclusively for Prime Members only.

  28. "amazon will fail...." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... but i won't have to commute far to witness it."

    -j.bezos

    p.s. "sucks to be you"

  29. Sears by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a lot of irony in the history of Sears. Sears was the original Amazon. Sears aggressively made use of a new technology as it was rolled out throughout the country to reach a massive customer base and flourish - modern transportation. As roads, and especially rail, began to be built and improved across the country Sears capitalized on it to create a massive mail order business. Rural areas might only have a few small stores, but if they had a train depot, then they had access to the entire Sears catalog. You could buy any part for your tractor from Sears, or even an entire set of materials needed to build a house (literally).

    Then Sears began to roll out brick and mortar stores - a natural progression for a large retail business with lots of money. Store fronts are like bragging rights - a tangible, physical way to show off the power and size of your business. Eventually mail order declined significantly, and their catalogs were primary an advertising tool to get people into stores.

    Then came the internet, and Sears did not capitalize on it as they could have. That opened the door for Amazon to beat Sears at its original game. It's so ironic that one of the things forcing Sears out of business is being undercut by mail-order shopping.

    Less than two months ago Amazon opened its first brick and mortar store in New York - Amazon 4-Star. Bragging rights.

    What will be the demise of Amazon? Maybe 3D printing purchases regionally and then using drones to handle last-mile delivery? It will be some technology that Amazon fails to embrace, letting a new competitor get a leg up on them.

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    1. Re:Sears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] What will be the demise of Amazon? Maybe 3D printing purchases regionally and then using drones to handle last-mile delivery? It will be some technology that Amazon fails to embrace, letting a new competitor get a leg up on them.

      Amazon cooperating in fishing expeditions to entrap & ensnare imaginary stalkers might get the ball rollin' on their demise. Try buying a few PERFECTLY LEGAL animated pr0n DVDs on Amazon, & watch the female LEA decoys in your jurisdiction crawl out of the woodwork to completely destroy your life in its entirety.

    2. Re:Sears by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What will be the demise of Amazon?

      Either Amazon gets broken up into Amazon.com and AWS, or Google comes up with an Amazon-like interface which aggregates basically all web retailers and which handles processing orders for them. Google is the only player with even a hope in hell of defeating Amazon, and they actually have all of the pieces, so I'm not sure why they haven't bothered yet.

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    3. Re:Sears by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Try buying a few PERFECTLY LEGAL animated pr0n DVDs on Amazon, & watch the female LEA decoys in your jurisdiction crawl out of the woodwork to completely destroy your life in its entirety.

      Sounds like fun. What titles do you recommend?

    4. Re:Sears by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Google is the only player with even a hope in hell of defeating Amazon

      Walmart already has stores across the country. If anybody is poised to beat Amazon at their own game, it's them. They're also making a healthy profit of ~$100 billion a year, and have been for some time.

  30. Dear Leaders by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Amazon may be successful in everything from cloud computing to groceries to electronic devices to selling just about everything under Bezos, but one has to wonder if the next leader can keep it all going without cracks forming.

    I think Amazon is likely to start seeing problems when Bezos is out of the picture similar to Apple without Jobs or possibly someday Berkshire Hathaway without Warren Buffet. Amazon is kicking ass but Bezos has the authority to do a lot of things most public company CEOs can't do because he owns a lot of the company and has the track record to tell investors to get bent if they don't like his quarterly results. The next guy isn't likely to have that option to anywhere near the same degree. Tim Cook seems to be doing a credible job as CEO from a financial standpoint but he doesn't have the authority (or skill set) to try some of the stuff Jobs managed - especially regarding product design. I suspect Elon Musk's companies stand a good chance of running into headwinds without their Dear Leader.

  31. Customer Care vs. Self Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I may be stressing over nothing based on the statement, but I do wonder what the fine line is between focusing on the customer experience and the business needs. I currently work in a company where we want to provide a good service to our clients, but many times that means that our internal sales will give things away for free. Lots of stuff. Things we don't even really have that we'll have to develop on the fly. Those things are not supported, so the client will still get hosed whenever it breaks anyway. And people can burnout and create lots of turnover. Our company has a lot of money, but I can't imagine we can keep giving away free things for too long before we come to the end of the rope one day and find out we should have been billing for that free work. Is this normal in the software industry?

  32. Amazon vs Walmart by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Now today Amazon is bigger then Walmart and they are struggling to fight for competition with Amazon.

    Depends on how you define "bigger". Amazon is bigger by market cap but only about a third of the size by revenue. ($177B vs $500B) Saying Walmart is struggling against Amazon is only true for online sales. Walmart is playing catch up with online sales (with mixed results) but the demographics the two companies cater to aren't precisely the same ones so it's unclear how much that will matter in the long run. Amazon will have a hard time displacing Walmart in rural communities and with many of your typical Walmart shoppers. Retail is a big industry so there is certainly room for both of them.

    Just as these big box stores dominated the last decade, are now their former self.

    I think declaration of the collective death of the big box stores is premature. Some have gone bust but others are doing just fine. The pressure from Amazon through online sales is forcing a lot of them to change in ways that are positive for you and me.

    There are plenty of other forces ready to unseat Amazons spot.

    Really? What are they? Nobody else seems to know.

    1. Re:Amazon vs Walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. President, we must merge Amazon and Walmart to compete with emerging foreign threats.

  33. One day Amazon will fail... by skaralic · · Score: 1

    But it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered yields, when our online store comes crashing down! But it is not this day! And then Bezos rode out of the meeting on his mighty steed...

  34. It's funny, I got one thing out of the quotes by gosand · · Score: 2

    When I read "Amazon is not too big to fail," I immediately thought that was simply a seed to plant in people's minds as they get bigger and bigger, to prevent the idea that Amazon is too big to fail and needs to be broken up or regulated.

    They can't be too big to fail, Bezos himself said so!

    I do agree that Amazon is the best at managing their customers, and as long as they continue to do that, it will be much harder for them to fail.

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  35. Nothing is too big to fail by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Even the universe will end... someday.

    So obviously, nothing is too big to fail.

    But there are big companies that have been around for a lot longer than 30 years. IBM comes to mind as one.

  36. Too late bud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The downfall has already started, when M&A is your only avenue for growth then you have lost the track of your core competency (selling stuff) and are trying to grow by complicating the business (now they are making stuff and selling stuff), it will eventually come down to having to choose which one to prioritize and by then there will be other companies that are working on only doing the core business more efficiently.

  37. seems reasonable to me by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

    1. One day our company will die.

    2. That will happen sooner if we focus on ourselves instead of our customers. So let's focus on our customers.

    What's so unreasonable about that?

    1. Re:seems reasonable to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will also die if it doesn't focuse at least a little bit on their internal problem.

    2. Re:seems reasonable to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Focusing on your customers means data mining them to death then picking out every little correlation and milking it for all it's worth and then some. Actual advancement stops. You end up with tiny, incremental changes based on random fluctuation of what, when, and how people buy. You also end up harassing everyone with surveys and feedback requests. Would you like it if you had to answer a website survey before you were allow to complete your purchase? Do you like all those pop-up newsletter sign-up demands? They increase what they measure: sign-up rates, but they aren't measuring how much they annoy people.

      A recent article was about Amazon data mining books to make perfect stories you can't put down. Doing this has been slowly destroying the TV, movie, and gaming industry. Everything is repeats following nearly the exact story plots. People get addicted then extremely irritated and fed up. Things are new to the next generation so they pick up the slack, but the next generation is getting smaller and smaller so this method of annoying your existing customers to get new ones isn't going to stay profitable for long.

      The best products/companies are the ones which say "I think we can do this better" or "Let try this new thing". Asking the general population doesn't actually give you the feedback you need to do such things, just like there's nearly a whole science to getting the correct software requirements. People don't know what they want. Everyone would eat only candy if they didn't learn something about nutrition.

  38. So what, I'll have a SOLID GOLD retirement by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    You think he cares if his company falls apart some day in the future? Nope, he's already hidden away his wealth.

  39. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    Most I know generally try to make the world a better place... ... so long as the steps needed to do that don't interfere with their personal life styles or personal business interests.

    I'm far from being rich, but I do feel largely this way.

    I don't go out of my way to waste or hurt the world, but on the other hand, I don't put myself out to do otherwise either.

    I like my lifestyle....and I don't see myself as frantically running through the house to turn off this or that to save electricity. I've got a job and can easily afford my power bills. So, I don't sweat it.

    I can afford gas for my car, I've never been one to even look at the rated MPG on a vehicle as a purchase parameters, I just want to know if it is fun and will go fast. I've had a car that got 10mpg if I was lucky.....and it was worth every penny before Katrina took it.

    But I'm happy to help out my friends when they are in need. I have given money, time and more when they have hit hard times, or have health scares. They've done the same for me.....

    The way I figure it, my time on earth is short, and I'm going to enjoy it to the max I can. In only a couple decades after I pass on, no one will even remember my name to "curse" it as some think future generations will.

    I'll be taking a dirt nap anyway, and won't hear it, so, what do I care what happens beyond me?

    I'm only concerned about my life and my lifestyle and pleasure while I'm here.

    I"m happy and supportive for others that go out of their way to 'save the planet' or leave this or that for posterity. Good for them.

    It doesn't affect me either way.

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  40. True, look at Apple by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    After Jobs passed away, the "bean counters" took over.

  41. What if all the employees left first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://bigthink.com/videos/simon-sinek-on-why-the-customer-is-not-always-right

  42. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's nothing but classiest bullshit.

    If you want to make a case that all things are relative, I'm right there with you. When you start saying silly things like "all of X people think Y" you are just shutting off your brain and stoking tribal warfare.

    Here is a counter point that might be the level of debate you want:
    Most of the Vegans I know are fairly privileged people, rich by any previous standard of humanity, even, dare I say, the humans who hunted all the mega fauna to extinction.

  43. Hold your ground! Sons of Gondor by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 0

    Who else thought of this when you read the title?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  44. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by jimbo · · Score: 1

    I was like this until I had a kid. I was not planning to have children but it happened anyway and to my complete surprise I love being a parent and I am a much better person because of him. I now feel empathy with others, even strangers in distress and I now follow the Golden Rule more pro-actively.

    However, it fills me with despair knowing what my son will see and experience in his lifetime. I'm spending money on being more environmentally conscious and I've discovered that even though I'm not by any means wealthy I can do this while still living comfortably. Ofcourse my meager efforts is not going to fix global warming but I can start with myself and try to add my voice to larger matters, not for me but for my son.

  45. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    "That is how most rich people think" != "That is how all rich people think".

    If you listen and pay attention, you will understand, you will not find the world hostile, and you might find you dont need to be anonymous, nor cowardly.

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  46. One day...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeff Bezos: One day me and my family will run out of money but your job is to make sure that happens long, long, long after I'm dead

  47. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That is how most rich people think."

    I don't know 'most rich people', but it's clear that you do. Thank you for your deep knowledge and insight.

  48. Re: Once I die, who cares what happens to the worl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's more like: I'm going to be fine. And then there are these other workwear whose lives I ruined. Who cares when I'm gone or the company decays anyway. I made my money, right?

    And only those lucky enough to be close to me did not have to suffer. That's not entirety as bad as the ones you chose to ruin. On purpose.

  49. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's nothing but classiest bullshit.

    I've seen much classier bullshit myself. Perhaps you need to hang out in better circles.

  50. Anyone else could have done it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the hate Amazon gets, any other nation-wide store could've gone all in with on-line and sold at a loss to gain market share, but they didn't and now they all cry.

  51. Re: Once I die, who cares what happens to the worl by DalM · · Score: 1

    "I'm going to enjoy it to the max I can. In only a couple decades after I pass on, no one will even remember my name to "curse" it as some think future generations will."

    So in other words "FU, I got mine?"

    Conservative morality in a nutshell right there.

  52. TRUMPUTIN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like: "One day, Amazon will FUCK!"

  53. Blinded by their own success by found404 · · Score: 1

    "If we start to focus on ourselves, instead of focusing on our customers, that will be the beginning of the end,"

    I like what he's saying. It's something that's lost on most tech shops - even on their first day. Google has no conception of customer first. Apple is a PR company that has created the most user-hostile tech ever conceived. Microsoft has weaponized their Operating System.

    Having said this... Amazon is following in those steps. Their tablets are surveillance machines. Alexa is the next-gen snooping device. They have already started looking inward and don't even realize it.

  54. Companies are just like people by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    They will eventually end one way or another, whether that's through going bankrupt or merging with another company.

  55. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by Raenex · · Score: 1

    The people who care are the evangelists. Either the old style religious evangelists and the new breed of nature, vegetarianism, environmentalism evangelists.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Some of the worst outcomes have been engineered by people trying to do what is "right".

  56. Re:Once I die, who cares what happens to the world by epine · · Score: 1

    That is how most rich people think. Just delay it, global warming, population explosion, running out of oil, precarious infrastructure, giving away the crown jewels of the economy to the enemy, nothing matters, as long as I am convinced all the bad things will happen after my lifetime.

    Yoda contains more wisdom about the Grand Mastery of prudent delay in the green fingerclaw of his pinky hand-toe than you will ever even suspect.