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Google Maps Has Introduced So Many New Features and Design Changes in Recent Months That Getting Directions On It is Becoming an Increasingly Challenging Task (theverge.com)

Earlier this week, Google announced it is bringing business messaging to Maps, the latest in a myriad of features it has introduced to its mapping platform in recent months. A business that wants to participate will need to use Google's "My Business" verification system and its associated app to send and receive messages. While that could prove useful to a number of businesses and customers, it has raised a concern as well. From a report: But that leads me to my third feeling: what the heck is going on with Google Maps? It is becoming overburdened with so many features and design changes that it's becoming harder and harder to just get directions in it. There's Group Planning, there's a social-esque "follow" button for local businesses, you can share your ETA, there's a redesigned "Explore" section, and there's almost no way to get the damn thing to show you a cross street near your destination without three full minutes of desperate pinching and zooming and re-zooming. It's becoming bloated, is what I'm saying. It's Google's equivalent of Big Blue, as Facebook nicknames its flagship app that does a thousand things across countless strange nooks and crannies. It's as though Google wants to kill off Yelp once and for all, but can't let anybody notice how hard it's trying to do that so it just slow rolls those things into Google Maps instead.

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  1. Inevitable by orev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like the inevitable fate of any successful product. Wall St demands higher and higher profits, so there is no choice but to keep adding and pushing, even beyond what makes sense. Then the product inevitably becomes so bloated that people only tolerate it until a simpler alternative comes along. Then that becomes successful and the cycle continues...

    1. Re:Inevitable by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's also that as people move on or progress up the chain of command, you have new people taking over or joining the group that want to add new things or features. Because you don't get promoted by maintaining, you get promoted by creating or bringing in customers or revenue. Plus maintaining something is boring. So you inevitably get bloat as people just keep throwing on more and more.

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    2. Re:Inevitable by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Is Google really beholden to Wall Street at this point in time though? My understanding is that core group of insiders still holds the stocks necessary for full control of the company regardless of happens to public stock.

    3. Re:Inevitable by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think it's quite that simple. If it were, the same greedy Wall Street types would stand to make more money recognizing this pattern and stopping their cash cow from dying. Sure, a new product, company, or even industry will come along, but that requires finding a new winner which isn't always obvious. Also, some would probably just demand that no additional features be added to the product either (at least as long as it doesn't allow for greater monitization), as that's money that could be invested elsewhere or returned to shareholders.

      As much as the Wall Street fat cats are responsible for various maladies, software bloat and feature creep is the work another group, or perhaps even several others. I think that it's mostly that the people who make software, often fail to understand what actually makes it great.

    4. Re:Inevitable by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Big investors don't care when something dies. They sell long before then.

      They care primarily about the 2nd derivative. When growth stop accelerating, they start making their plans to bail out, or to buy up other dying companies on the cheap and coerce the first company to buy them out, thus pivoting stagnant value in the first company to sudden growth in the buyout target.

    5. Re:Inevitable by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Is Google really beholden to Wall Street at this point in time though? My understanding is that core group of insiders still holds the stocks necessary for full control of the company regardless of happens to public stock.

      I'll bet that those insiders like money, too.

    6. Re:Inevitable by Albanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems like the inevitable fate of any successful product. Wall St demands higher and higher profits, so there is no choice but to keep adding and pushing, even beyond what makes sense. Then the product inevitably becomes so bloated that people only tolerate it until a simpler alternative comes along. Then that becomes successful and the cycle continues...

      Before responding like this, why are we even accepting the premise without testing?

      I just tested. I opened Google Maps (not already running) on my phone. I searched for somewhere random (US Courthouse). I selected a court from the four options and clicked the icon for directions. I had directions on screen in about 20 seconds from my click to launch the app. I didn't need any unnecessary clicks.

      Maybe, since he mentions cross streets, the author is talking about when you search for a place but know you really want to navigate nearby, not to their door. That took me about 35 seconds starting Maps from scratch. You search for your destination, zoom in at the destination to see where you might really want to drive to. Delete the destination and select "Choose from map" and now you can navigate to wherever you place the pin.

      So that's not quite as straightforward, but still it's no where near several minutes. It could do the initial zoom for you, but that would be at the expense of showing you the planned route and alternate routes which, I think, are more useful more frequently.

      Of course none of this is as simple as using the Google Assistant and saying "Hey Google, directions to the United States District Court". which gets me directions in under fifteen seconds with no clicks and a read out of the preferred major road together with an estimated duration.

      Now it's fair to ask whether Maps is becoming too bloated,, but I don't see any evidence bloat is making it harder to get directions.

    7. Re:Inevitable by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Big investors don't care when something dies. They sell long before then.

      They care primarily about the 2nd derivative. When growth stop accelerating, they start making their plans to bail out...

      This wasn't how investment analysis used to work. Steady growth of an asset over an extended period of time is a good bet to beat virtually any fast-buck strategy.

      The claim that Peter Minuit bought Manhattan from the Lenape people for $24 is probably apocryphal, but if the tribe had received that amount in the year claimed and simply banked it at two percent compound interest, their stake would now be worth more than Manhattan itself.

    8. Re:Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox, or Google maps?

    9. Re:Inevitable by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but they're not Wall Street, and as a result can plan for long term rather than quarterly profit.

    10. Re:Inevitable by sfcat · · Score: 1

      Big investors don't care when something dies. They sell long before then.

      They care primarily about the 2nd derivative. When growth stop accelerating, they start making their plans to bail out...

      This wasn't how investment analysis used to work. Steady growth of an asset over an extended period of time is a good bet to beat virtually any fast-buck strategy.

      The claim that Peter Minuit bought Manhattan from the Lenape people for $24 is probably apocryphal, but if the tribe had received that amount in the year claimed and simply banked it at two percent compound interest, their stake would now be worth more than Manhattan itself.

      Not quite. 1.02 ^ 392 ~= 2351.1 so $24 x 1.02 ^ 392 = $56,425.91 which is obviously far less than Manhattan is worth today.

      However increasing the rate helps a lot

      • 1.03 ^ 392 ~= 107,694.14 so about $2.4m
      • 1.04 ^ 392 ~= 4,754,107.58 so about $114m
      • 1.05 ^ 392 ~= 202,397,542.68 so about $4.8b
      • 1.06 ^ 392 ~= 8,315,707,096.14 so about $200b
      • 1.07 ^ 392 ~= 329,944,469,081.16 so about $7.9t

      So the natives would need between a 6% and 7% annual return to make a profit. The lesson is rate of return matters

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    11. Re:Inevitable by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      That's way too slow in many cases. I often use Google maps when I'm close to where I need to go but there's some last-minute uncertainty (was it this stop or the next? The train is pulling into the station). Lately it's become more and more and more sluggish, it now takes forever to start up, and then there's more delay before you can start entering your location, and also lag when you go back to re-do the search so you often skip one screen too many back and have to start from scratch. I used to prefer Google Maps because it was less sluggish when getting quick location info than several competing apps I tried, but now it seems to be the reverse, the other apps haven't necessarily sped up much but Maps has slowed and bloated massively so that it's much slower than the competition.

    12. Re:Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On my phone (Galaxy S7) I don't think I can get from tapping the app icon to typing in the destination in 20 seconds. Loading the content of that "Explore" pane down on the bottom blocks the whole app until the network decides to return some irrelevant images, and then Android's memory management is so poor that once the search box finally gets focus, you're waiting around for the onscreen keyboard to load.

    13. Re:Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm running a Pixel XL so my phone is just a couple of months newer than yours; I just force stopped Maps and started it. There was next to no delay.

      The biggest hardware difference is the Pixel having a Snapdragon 821 vs. your 820. That should only be a 10% performance boost.

      It sounds like other things on your phone (maybe the Samsung UI?) are slowing things down?

    14. Re: Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When is that supposed to have happened? Let's assume 400 years ago...
      24$ â (1.02 ^ 400) = 24$ â 2755 = 66112$

    15. Re:Inevitable by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I use Maps quite a lot and can confirm that getting directions is a very quick and easy process. The directions tend to be better than other products too. About the only annoying thing is that by default 1/4 of the map screen is covered by some quick search icons I don't want.

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    16. Re:Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are also doing it with Google.com/travel where the listings use to be in a box on the left side in a sane fashion but are now icon blurbs that take up about 2/3 months th screen leaving no room to see an actual map and no useful info without clicking one of the icons. For example go to google.com and search "all inclusive in Bermuda" and scroll part way down until you see the embedded map, and click to expand full size.

      Made something that was extremely useful and quick to find a place into a total cluster fuck

    17. Re:Inevitable by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I often use Google maps when I'm close to where I need to go but there's some last-minute uncertainty (was it this stop or the next? The train is pulling into the station)

      You can have your maps running in the background, and bonus is you're going by public transport you'll get a notification if suddenly your option is no longer viable (e.g. train delay causes a missed connection), or a faster option becomes available. The greatest power of Google maps is not to tell you how to get to where you're going, but all the things that can go wrong on the way.

      It's sounds like you're making things hard for yourself for no reason.

  2. Answer: Brian McClendon. by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The answer is that Brian McClendon, who was vice president of Google Maps, was replaced by Jen Fitzpatrick. Period. People matter.

    1. Re: Answer: Brian McClendon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't say the man was preferable. He may like the new changes. Most people do (based on a sampling of 0 people).

    2. Re:Answer: Brian McClendon. by gweihir · · Score: 4, Funny

      You specist ass! How dare you compare a nice pig to a repulsive human!

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    3. Re: Answer: Brian McClendon. by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Funny

      90% of 0 is 0. Math checks out on your claim.

    4. Re:Answer: Brian McClendon. by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know which gender Brian McClendon or Jen Fitzpatrick identifies with.

    5. Re:Answer: Brian McClendon. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Who says I am human? I could be one of those "AI's" you technonuts babble on about.

    6. Re:Answer: Brian McClendon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are 50 but identify as 30 years old.

    7. Re:Answer: Brian McClendon. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh, damn. Now I did it myself! I am soooooo sorry!

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    8. Re: Answer: Brian McClendon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ninety percent is the amount (or quantity) of the thing being measured (or counted) contained within ninety hundredths of the thing being considered.

      While zero divided by one hundred is equal to zero, zero is not a constituent, one hundredth of zero.
      If it were, you could then argue that zero is a constituent, one thousandth of zero or a constituent, one millionth of zero.

      It's not just a matter of the result always being zero, it makes no logical sense to even consider a percentage of zero.

    9. Re:Answer: Brian McClendon. by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2

      I was thinking either that or you were a meat popsicle

  3. How's that again? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It's Google's equivalent of Big Blue, as Facebook nicknames its flagship app that does a thousand things across countless strange nooks and crannies."

    Note to millennials: "Big Blue" has been the nickname for IBM for at least 50 years.

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    1. Re:How's that again? by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      So old timer,
      How bad was/is IBM compared to Google and the like now
      Would like a bit of historical context please.

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    2. Re:How's that again? by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most millenials know this. People really need to stop conflating them with generation Z.

    3. Re:How's that again? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      Google has way more influence in our everyday lives than IBM ever did. IBM could only manipulate the PC and server market.

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    4. Re:How's that again? by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      They are old, have bad eyes, and bad tastes in music.
      I doubt they even could.

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    5. Re:How's that again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And help kill Jews for the goddamned nazis. IBM has a Craaaazy history.
      More influence than most people would be comfortable with.

    6. Re:How's that again? by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      Note to everyone: millienial doesn't mean a thing. Should we assume everyone in your generation is a pedantic, arrogant prick?

    7. Re:How's that again? by farble1670 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wrong. Generation Z is characterized by tattered clothing, open sores, and groaning.

    8. Re:How's that again? by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      That was grunge, which I am pretty sure was a Gen X thing.

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    9. Re:How's that again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cobain aimed for the head just to be certain.

    10. Re: How's that again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that's a Xennial thing. They're just after Gen X but just before Millennials.

    11. Re: How's that again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    12. Re:How's that again? by antdude · · Score: 1

      That's me. :P

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    13. Re:How's that again? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      By your logic Henry Ford is responsible for all the people killed by his cars.

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    14. Re:How's that again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh

    15. Re:How's that again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM could only manipulate the PC and server market.

      ATM Machines
      Hard Disks
      Space shuttle software
      UPC codes
      DRAM
      Airline reservation systems

      There's a much larger list - I'll stop here. IBM has its faults but its done just a bit more than the "PC and server market".

  4. Google wouldn't know UI if it bit them on the ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All these features should be entirely separate products instead of contextual layers in Google Maps.

  5. In DC and Crystal City by al0ha · · Score: 1

    I was in DC and Crystal City in October - the construction topped with trying to use the maps for live guidance proved frustrating. Driving in circles, heading down a long highway with no offramp when directed the wrong way, it was incredible how bad the mapping directions were...

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  6. Split by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Split it into a "Google Nav" product. Maybe make it similiar to Waze, which is still relatively light on wacky features. Maybe that will be the plan - if you just want navigation use Waze. If you want it to balance your checkbook, too, you use Google Maps.

    1. Re:Split by lloydchristmas759 · · Score: 1

      There is a Google Maps Go app, which is supposed to be lighter than the regular Google Maps. I have never tried it, though.

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    2. Re:Split by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      There is a Google Maps Go app, which is supposed to be lighter than the regular Google Maps. I have never tried it, though.

      Another Google app to do something already done by an already existing app. A word of advice to Google: please change the name of this app. If you leave it as it is, it might not be sufficiently confusing.

    3. Re:Split by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's just a wrapper for the website. Dumb.

      Better off using Sygic, which ALSO works properly with Bluetooth. Google Maps/Nav only using A2DP and sends all phone audio over the proflie. Long story short, if you're listening to FM radio or the like, you'll never heard the direction prompts, you'll always have to have aux/Bluetooth source on your radio on. Sygic will actually see HFP and interrupt any source the radio may be on to give you the directions. There's other really nice and useful features with Sygic as well

  7. What? by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Uh... what is this guy on about? The interface for getting directions hasn't changed a bit since the last major redesign.

    1. Re:What? by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm also confused at how anyone can be confused when using Google for directions. I can understand a learning curve on the new features, but getting directions is very easy and has only gotten easier lately.

      My guess is the article's author simply had a deadline to produce a story, and this was the best he could think of.

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    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can it not take an hour to load though ?

    3. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What changed... continual crashes. Start the app, enter destination, navigate... wait 30 seconds and the app will have crashed. Note4 with current google maps. Rolled the app back to factory preloaded, and it runs smoothly.

    4. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I managed to get directions on the map which takes up 1/4 of the screen while the other 3/4 are pictures of where I want to go and other menu options I rarely if ever use.

    5. Re:What? by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

      But instead of a few seconds, it now takes a few MINUTES for Google Maps to start on my phone after asking the search box for directions. Frustrating minutes that I could be using to travel.

      Google Maps on my Android device literally takes longer to start than booting Windows and going to the website.

    6. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you might want to upgrade to a carrier that supports at least 3G (or upgrade your home network from the 28.8k modem). Maps always loads super quick for me

    7. Re:What? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Google Maps on my Android device literally takes longer to start than booting Windows and going to the website.

      Something is wrong with your phone. Don't blame maps for that.

    8. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The author does not layout his steps to get directions, so it is difficult to justify his claim.

      I search/tap for a location, and tap "Directions", it shows up right away.

      I then tap on my current location box and enter a new address, the direction refreshes immediately.

      Is there any other scenario?

    9. Re:What? by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"I'm also confused at how anyone can be confused when using Google for directions. I can understand a learning curve on the new features, but getting directions is very easy and has only gotten easier lately."

      Agreed. My issue is that there is so much "JUNK" and pop-ups and screen-stealing cards and such that it is much harder to use the MAP portion on small screens, especially after doing a search. Directions are easy. What is not as easy is browsing and zooming and exploring because of the lack of real-estate. And the interruptions are very annoying- asking me about ratings, and photos, and events, and things I don't care about. Example, the bottom bar with "explore, commute, and for you", none of which I want but robs valuable space and with buttons to accidentally hit. It can't be removed. I wish they would have more user settings to suppress the stuff not used.

    10. Re:What? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Yep, Android updates that make it slower and slower as well.

      Sometimes the incoming call screen doesn't come up until the fourth ring, when it goes to voicemail.

      I did get the cheapest model from Samsung, but every update makes it slower and slower.

    11. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note to self: Buy new phone.

    12. Re:What? by DethLok · · Score: 1

      Your experience differs greatly from mine on my Galaxy S5.
      Perhaps you haven't adjusted your settings and options enough?

    13. Re:What? by adrn01 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the "updates" aren't specifically designed to make the phone slower, so as to encourage you to buy a newer, faster one?

    14. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now slower to get directions, from seconds before to minutes now.

      Doesn't show the names of side streets. Loses estimates of how long 'til next turn.

      It tries to reroute me around nonexistent traffic snarls. Last week it showed me a route that took me almost 10 blocks out of my way. Meanwhile, I look down the street straight ahead and its clear. I go straight. It took about 4 minutes to figure out where I was.

      That was when I stopped using it.

    15. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go into history and tracking preferences. It (badly) keeps track of where you've been and all the places you've visited. Clear it out and tell it not to keep that info. It doesn't solve the problem, but it helps.

    16. Re:What? by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I would absolutely sign up for a class action suit.

    17. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except to get to that interface you need to dig through a dozen prompts, suggestions, requests, notices, hints and other bullshit that pops up the moment you start the app. You're not allowed to do what you want until you finish declining every single thing the app wants you to do instead.

  8. Google taken over by SJW mentality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Because the culture of Google has shifted to the SJW mentality.

    1. Re:Google taken over by SJW mentality. by gweihir · · Score: 0

      Yea, all form, all surface, all appearances, all "save spaces". Actual facts, true communication and *gasp* honest evaluations of skill are not welcome. Google is just one victim of the cancer though, it spreads all through the industry at the moment. I predict that in the end this deeply conformist and authoritarian movement will fail and leave the industry stronger, if a lot smaller. SJWs cannot get things to work reliably, if at all. SJWs destroy communities that are critical. SJWs care about nothing and nobody but themselves and their short-term comfort. Hence they cannot learn, because getting out of their comfort-zones is anathema to them.

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    2. Re:Google taken over by SJW mentality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I agree this breeds mediocrity with everyone winning a trophy.

    3. Re:Google taken over by SJW mentality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blackpilled misanthropic uggo foreveralone kissless virgin neckbearded transluscent hamplanets who smell bad and never leave their basement lairs will defend this.
      Just because you're so disgusting and repellent to the opposite sex that you can't get within 10 feet of them without them curling their lip in disgust doesn't mean they're all 'SJWs', you're just trying desperately to compensate for your own deficiencies out of a sense of self-preservation; to fully embrace what a useless waste of oxygen you are would inevitably mean you'd commit suicide out of your own self-disgust and self-hatred (which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing either). Get correct and fix your own shit before you lash out so irrationally at everyone else, loser. Go take a shower, get a gym membership, stop eating shit fatass foods constantly, lose that 500 pound ass of yours, and learn some goddamed acceptable social skills, or kill yourself, either way problem solved. Society already has enough problems without you pieces of human refuse mucking it up worse than it already is with your bullshit.

    4. Re:Google taken over by SJW mentality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The left would rather you die than debate another point of view. Notice the kill yourself in bold. That my friends is a mental illness.

    5. Re:Google taken over by SJW mentality. by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Yea, all form, all surface, all appearances, all "save spaces". Actual facts, true communication and *gasp* honest evaluations of skill are not welcome. Google is just one victim of the cancer though, it spreads all through the industry at the moment. I predict that in the end this deeply conformist and authoritarian movement will fail and leave the industry stronger, if a lot smaller. SJWs cannot get things to work reliably, if at all. SJWs destroy communities that are critical. SJWs care about nothing and nobody but themselves and their short-term comfort. Hence they cannot learn, because getting out of their comfort-zones is anathema to them.

      What I find hilarious about this frightened rant against "SJWs" is you've described Trump-voting conservatives to a "T" (For Trump, presumably.)

      Yea, all form, all surface, all appearances, all "save spaces" [sic].

      Conservatives: Fox News, Breitbart, information bubbles: All "Safe spaces." Trump is so frightened of CNN he kicked Jim Acosta out of the White House.

      Actual facts, true communication and *gasp* honest evaluations of skill are not welcome.

      Conservatives? Check.

      Cannot get things to work reliably, if at all.

      Conservatives? Check. (Republicans had White House and Congress for two years and all they could pass was tax cuts for the rich. Trump couldn't even build his wall.)

      Destroy communities that are critical.

      Conservatives? Check.

      care about nothing and nobody but themselves and their short-term comfort.

      Conservatives? Check. (Two words: Climate change).

      they cannot learn, because getting out of their comfort-zones is anathema to them.

      Conservatives? Check. (See safe spaces).

    6. Re:Google taken over by SJW mentality. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      If you see a "frightened rant" here, then you are really not perceptive. You are correct that SJWs are a deeply conservative movement though. Not a new insight either.

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  9. here's a free tip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quit trying to use it when you're driving.

    much easier to make sense of it, or any 'app', when you can actually focus on it instead of the pedestrian you're gonna mow down as you weave through traffic driving with your knee, with a phone in one hand and your damn coffee in the other.

  10. I haven't had no problems with Google Maps by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    So, it took me all of a minute or two to learn the new navigation. Oh no, Mr. Bill!!!
    Seriously, whats the issue here. Have not been sent the wrong way. Have been able to enter where I want to go with no problem.

    What I would like to see though! If the local area has Department Of Transportation camera's along various highways, to include an option to see them on the map. Ohio does, and I use those camera's all the time. They are real time, maybe a 5 second delay.

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  11. That's not the worst part... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been trying to make them fix a couple of streets near my home without any success. They removed Google Map Maker support and now you can only give them "suggestions" using the app.

    The problem is that I'm outside of the US an to my surprise when I tried to add suggestions it showed me a message "this feature is not available yet in your area".

    They not only stole all the data that people contributed to them during many years without giving any credit. But now they are making Google maps a shitty app that cannot get an address right because the users cannot contribute to fix it.

    Don't let me start bragging about how hard is now to get your business address corrected. And receiving continuous messages that you are giving them an "ambiguous" address even if you are giving them the fucking street name painted on the street signs.

  12. Classical "smart people" screwup by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lots of intelligence, but really limited real-world understanding at Google. What they have done here is known as the "Second System Effect", nicely described by Brooks in 1975. It is a sign of amateurs at the controls.

    Not that I mind. Google has gotten far too evil, far too powerful and far too arrogant. Anything that speeds their demise is a good thing.

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    1. Re:Classical "smart people" screwup by MTEK · · Score: 1

      On the Microsoft side, that nicely explains what has happened since Windows 8.

    2. Re:Classical "smart people" screwup by gweihir · · Score: 1

      It very much does.

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    3. Re:Classical "smart people" screwup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And apple; since like.. forever.

    4. Re:Classical "smart people" screwup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a sign of amateurs at the controls.

      All the real smarts are writing parsing algorithms for their alphabet owners. Life in wartime.

    5. Re:Classical "smart people" screwup by colonslash · · Score: 1

      > Google has gotten far too evil ...

      I've been seeing comments like this a lot recently, but how exactly are they evil? They're still delivering lots of great products that millions use everyday for free (with advertising).

      Maybe privacy violations? I've never felt violated, I freely use their services and expect them to collect info on me.

      China? That's tricky - the government has issues, but can you really dismiss such a huge part of the world's population? Is providing more censored search tools for China making anyone worse off?

      Working for the US government on image recognition? The jury in my head is out on this one.

      The feminist complaints about hurt feelings? I do have a problem with this one, because Google is so willing to throw their hard-working male employees under the sjw bus.

      With Google's contributions to technology and sustainability, I see them, on the whole, as a force for good in the world.

  13. Place names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe now they could make sure they actually put the names of fscking rivers, streets, mountains and communities on the fscking map. It's now fscking vacant. Switched to Bing maps or however they call that other abomination.

  14. As a transit user, my directions have got worse by DigitAl56K · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The app no longer reflects whether transit is on time, early, or late (which is reported by our MTS), so now even if I know the route it's harder to make my connections.

    1. Re:As a transit user, my directions have got worse by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's not a Google issue, that's a local issue. Maps still show my local transit times including early, late, updated instructions if a connection will be missed, etc. just fine for metros and trains here in the Netherlands. It also worked fine in London last week.

  15. Re:Google wouldn't know UI if it bit them on the a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So we can end up with Waze? Something that worked great until Google started *tinkering* with it?

  16. Email option? by JustASlashDotGuy · · Score: 1

    *sigh*.. I just want them to add back the option to email step-by-step directions. There are a handful of times where that is still useful.

    1. Re:Email option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprising... you can't just say "share" and choose the Email app as the destination?

    2. Re:Email option? by DethLok · · Score: 1

      Or 'send to device'?

  17. Directions not easy - try a different client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm also confused at how anyone can be confused when using Google for directions. I can understand a learning curve on the new features, but getting directions is very easy and has only gotten easier lately.

    My guess is the article's author simply had a deadline to produce a story, and this was the best he could think of.

    Um. No. This may be a question of "it works great in one use case from certain platforms," but IMHO Google Maps has pretty much gone downhill since maybe streetview, which was the last awesome feature. Most changes since then have made it gradually worse. If you look up directions on a computer and send them to an email, for example, they don't put the directions in the email, they put a link in the email--this means that they are prioritizing tracking your use of the app over giving you directions.

    It also means the interface is designed with the assumption that you will ALWAYS have quick and reliable internet access on your phone, which just isn't true. (Firstly because there are some places on the planet where the connection's slow or there's bad coverage, but also because it takes cycles on your phone to open new applications, and then more time for it to reach out to google servers, etc..., so there's a lot more complexity for things to go wrong. And stuff goes wrong IRL. Like when you click on the link, it may open your maps app... and not show you directions.)

    Also, the google maps app is clunky on old phones. An S5 is not quite a five-year-old phone, but services like Google Maps have to work for your grandmother's phone, not just your engineer friend's phone. Press a button on the google maps interface on an S5 and wait around while it decides whether or not to do something. Sure, part of that is round trips to the server, but it's not OK from a customer experience standpoint.

    1. Re:Directions not easy - try a different client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't to try even the web version either for similar reasons. It was too slow last time I tried, haven't tried since and I wonder if it will assume fast 3D acceleration in the browser (this WebGL has only ever been good for tech demos in my case).
      If it's made to work well even without WebGL they may assume many other things, especially what browser you're using. I remember things were good when they had to work on Firefox 3, IE7 and single digit Chrome versions, and also "high" latency Internet (like 100ms), on a Pentium 4 without hyperthreading ; else your site was crap and slow.

      It's not just that developers are autistic and believe that everyone runs macbookpro level of hardware with version n+1 of everything, there are vested interests too. Their shit will run like crap on old hardware, low end hardware, Firefox, IE but perhaps will run smooth and all on a latest Samsung phone with Google OS, or even a Google Phone, or a Chromebook with i5 CPU and 32GB flash. Google hardware and/or OS. Microsoft couldn't be that slimy in the past (though mostly failed at that kind of shit because ActiveX was a security bomb and IE7 delayed for years). Back when MS was the computer monopoly the web didn't care about your browser vendor, your OS or your CPU architecture (with the flash plugin as an important exception but it worked on all browsers) and didn't use the GPU at all.

    2. Re:Directions not easy - try a different client by ranton · · Score: 1

      If you look up directions on a computer and send them to an email, for example, they don't put the directions in the email, they put a link in the email--this means that they are prioritizing tracking your use of the app over giving you directions

      This is simply a lie. I had never even tried to save directions in an offline format in years (internet coverage has been very good for at least a decade), so I just tried to do it on both my Android and laptop. On the Android I instantly found the ability to share directions within the main menu, and if sent to email it prints the directions in text.(along with a link to real time directions). On my computer it allows me to "Send a link" (as you described), "Embed a map", and print the directions including the map and/or text directions. All were incredibly intuitive for me to find and it's been a decade since I have even tried to find these features.

      Also, the google maps app is clunky on old phones. An S5 is not quite a five-year-old phone, but services like Google Maps have to work for your grandmother's phone, not just your engineer friend's phone.

      This is a problem for nearly all mobile devices, as everything is generally developed with 3-4 year old phones being considered outdated. But I just grabbed my Note 4, which has no cell service but still is usable over wifi, and Google Maps was plenty responsive. That is only a 4 year old phone but that is still not a new phone. The S5 wasn't as powerful as the Note 4 when released, so I cannot comment on whether the Snapdragon 801 has aged as well as the 805, but I doubt Google Maps is unusable on an S5. Certain individual smart phones age better than others, and I used insurance in 2016 to get a new refurbished Note 4 so that could be why it has held up better than yours.

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    3. Re:Directions not easy - try a different client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just grabbed my phone, a Galaxy S6, one generation newer than the one he is complaining about - clicked maps, searched for a location. Getting directions was trivial, I just clicked the top box and picked a starting location after refusing to let it turn on my GPS. Instantly directions. Shows nice large directions with turn icons and street views. On the first screen that popped up it brought up a 'Tap to download offline directions for spotty connections on your route' link. Took me two tries to find where to share the directions (first try was under steps & more, nothing there, second was the ... in upper right, where Android seems to like things, and it was there). The email it brought up in gmail does include the written directions, and also includes a 'For the best route in current traffic visit ' with a link.

      So yeah, that was trivially accessible. I'm with ranton, this was a clickbait article.

    4. Re:Directions not easy - try a different client by DethLok · · Score: 1

      I've got an S5 and use Google maps on it, including "send to device".
      For general maps, though, I Prefer 'HereWeGo' as it works offline and is pretty good, and the voice is nicer.

      I don't get the problems that the poster is suffering, but that may be due to my location, Australia. Maybe Google has not rolled out these 'enhancements' here yet?

    5. Re:Directions not easy - try a different client by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Why would you ever send directions in an email? If you are logged in to Google when you search out a map on a computer and then open it on your phone that destination comes up as the first search.

      I use Maps all the time to go just about everywhere, even places I know how to go, so that I can use the fastest route feature and see slowdowns, as well as arrival time. I have noticed no delays or bloat.

      I can tell you that if you're traveling through somewhere like metropolitan New Jersey or New York, where the road suck and massive construction always seems to be going on it sucks. That has little to nothing to do with Google Maps and everything to do with the roads sucking. Nothing is going to fix that.

      I can also say from experience if you're checking cross roads to look for parking most of the time you can just ask Google for "parking near" your destination. That works, no pinching or scanning necessary.

      I recently used Google Maps for a cross country trip. Its features allowed me to add destinations along the way (primarily gas and food). I had no problem with it. It ran smoothly through dead spots. Routed me around slowdowns. Got me to my hotel, located on federal land in national lab. It also got me to destinations in the area of my hotel. It wasn't slow and it didn't seem bloated.

    6. Re:Directions not easy - try a different client by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      With phones it's all about the network. So maybe the S5 user is on Sprint instead of Verizon?

  18. Thanks for the inbred nazi faggot perspective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're worthless inbred nazi faggot shit personified, thanks for illustrating the point at length. Ohio is where morons like you belong. Never leave, fuckeye.

  19. Get oof my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but I *really* enjoy navigating with a good printed paper map. Google maps on a phone are great too, when you're buried in a Pennsylvania ground fog and following a 1700s wagon road for a shortcut to your B&B at 03:00. Otherwise its interface is too busy to be fun and too easy to provide exercise. It's like taking the interstate ALL THE DAMN TIME.

    1. Re:Get oof my lawn by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      or travel route 80 through some of the mountain pass's. You know, those pass's they CUT into the middle of a mountain where it is straight up cliff's that block the line of sight to your gps satellite? No cell coverage.

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  20. Punked by Realtors by jtara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've been punked by Realtors and real estate developers, as well.

    Where Google Maps used to show the names (whether formally-adopted or not) of long-established neighborhoods in San Diego, it now shows the names of new condo complexes.

    These are not neighborhoods!

    - Spruce Canyon Townhomes
    - India Street Lofts
    - Southpark Townhomes
    - Mississippi Street Condos
    - The Village in University Heights
    - Florida Gardens
    - Fashion Walk Condos
    - Judson St Condos

    They are shown in the same typeface, size, and color as ACTUAL neighborhoods:

    - Linda Vista
    - Little Italy
    - Hillcrest
    - University Heights

    etc.

    Google.... you been punked!

    1. Re:Punked by Realtors by jtara · · Score: 2

      BTW, while some of these are large, sprawling developments, many are not - some are a single small building.

      It looks like some of society's nastiest vultures (sorry Realtors and real estate developers...) have found a loophole.

    2. Re:Punked by Realtors by farble1670 · · Score: 0

      Where Google Maps used to show the names (whether formally-adopted or not) of long-established neighborhoods in San Diego, it now shows the names of new condo complexes.

      and... why should we be outraged? Something about gentrification perhaps?

    3. Re:Punked by Realtors by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      It looks like some of society's nastiest vultures (sorry Realtors and real estate developers...) have found a loophole.

      I didn’t realize that paying Google a fee was considered a loophole.

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  21. Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2
    Up until recently I'd been babying along an old AMD-64 single-core system, but it would choke out so bad on Google Maps that it was nigh-unto unusable; I'd have to sit there for at least a full minute before it would all load. For what should be a simple mapping webpage you shouldn't have to have a quad-core 3GHz system with graphics card in a PCIE x16 slot, FFS. Face it: it's bloated as fuck.

    Thanks, Javascript!

    1. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      For what should be a simple mapping webpage you shouldn't have to have a quad-core 3GHz system with graphics card in a PCIE x16 slot, FFS. Face it: it's bloated as fuck.

      Of course you don't need that. Phones with 1.6Ghz dual core processors load it fine.

    2. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is getting more and more true every day. Bought lower end laptops (4GB RAM / Windows 10) for a few interns earlier this year and while the laptops started out OK, they can now barely load more than one web page + Slack or MS Teams. It's awful.

    3. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by nosfucious · · Score: 1

      It used to be said that all non-email programs would eventually evolve to the point they would include an email client. (I suspect it was probably EMACS that did it first).

      The modern version is that eventually all applications will evolve to the point where they include a dating function. When Google Maps has that, then we know that the end is nigh for Google.

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    4. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you don't need that. Phones with 1.6Ghz dual core processors load it fine.

      My Quad-core 1.2 GHz is starting to have trouble running Google Maps. Maps was why I had update my previous phone. Everything else ran fun, but each update to Maps, I had more and more trouble. Now again, I'm having trouble.

    5. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's full laptops with ethernet or even DVD, they support up to 32GB RAM (RAM is then relatively pricy and you need to somewhat dismantle the thing.. Have put it back)

      I had to disable as much crap as I could (need admin account or password), like it's Vista with 1GB RAM or a grandma's Windows XP desktop on 256MB RAM and full of crap.
      First to go are Superfetch and Windows indexing. These can murder your drive for an hour on!
      The system thinks disk I/O is free, it is not. The HDD is still a HDD and audible. Probably all disk I/O goes through Windows Defender which slows it down (I made sure to keep it, and for it to do a full scan)
      By disabling Indexing I lost some search ability in the start menu, and also Cortana (ha!)
      I removed crap from the task bar (i.e. Cortana, shopping bag, Edge, stuff I forgot about)
      Took me a while to install Classic Shell but it's quite better : if you open the default start menu by accident, your hard disk grinds and you've wasted 10 seconds waiting for all the crap and icons to load from swap.

      I forgot about the Windows 10 "shut up" tool (I tried two of them, don't remember which I have used). It's some program to disable most telemetry.

      I even disabled the desktop background. Don't want to spend megabytes on it.
      I disabled more services (some are useless like something about smart cards, other I can do without like Intel HDCP, I also deactivated nvidia services, then the nvidia driver and eventually deactivated the nvidia GPU in the BIOS if that was an option). But I also disabled the print spooler and was fucked the day I urgently printed something (did get it going)

      After that, I can run Windows 10 with a task manager permanently open to watch things over, and I added columns about memory usage in Details view because the default ones are lying (not kidding! if a 100MB program uses 40MB of dlls, it will show up at using 60MB even if it's the only one using these dlls.)

      Today I also couldn't use the two browsing tabs I just had opened, because a Windows update came in, and scanned with a 'malicious removal tool', and installed other things, so the HDD was permanent 100% I/O for a while. I still managed to switch to another tab and read it, and could read my new ones when Windows was done with the I/O.

    6. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I think you may have a problem with your browser. Google maps isn't heavy in the slightest. It takes less than 2 seconds to load, and in the default zoom level, everything including scrips, data, the map itself, and interface comes in at under 400k. Scripting causes a single threaded blip up to about 20% on one of my cores that doesn't last longer than a second, and the memory used by the tab on maps is only 30% more than the memory used here on Slashdot.

    7. Re:Poster-child for 'bloated web app' by bluegutang · · Score: 2

      It worked fine with Javascript until they moved from image-tile-based maps to vector maps (each of the streets is drawn on the map one by one in Javascript, which allows for more customization, but is slower). This change is several years old, though. I don't notice any changes of significance in recent weeks.

  22. Different Philosophies by DaveM753 · · Score: 2

    Unix Philosophy: "Do one thing and do it well."

    Google Philosophy: "Make 57 different apps to do 57 different things in mediocre fashion, then bring those features that consumers seem to like into one single, bloated app that focuses on "monetization opportunities". Oh, and "do no evil" (ha ha ha)."

    Apple Philosophy: "Do one thing and do it well, but charge exhorbitant fees and make sure the hardware ensures vendor lock-in."

    Microsoft Philosophy: "Don't do a damn thing. It's broke, don't fix it but do charge for it. Sell ads and personal information."

    Facebook Philosophy: "Fuck everyone and fuck you, too. --Sincerely, Mark Z."

    1. Re:Different Philosophies by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Google Philosophy: "Make 57 different apps to do 40 different things in mediocre fashion...

      Fixed that for you. Some things need 3 different apps to do it, each in slightly different and completely incompatible ways.

      I'm looking at you, messaging.

    2. Re:Different Philosophies by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. I haven't kept up... what are they calling their messaging app(s) this week?
      "Hangover"?
      "Chatout"?
      "XMPeePee"?
      Ugh...

    3. Re: Different Philosophies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the fact that when signing out of GMail there are requests to YouTube (to sign you out of there too) even if you don't have or use YouTube whatsoever.

    4. Re:Different Philosophies by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      Google Philosophy: "Make 57 different apps to do 57 different things in mediocre fashion, then bring those features that consumers seem to like into one single, bloated app that focuses on "monetization opportunities". Oh, and "do no evil" (ha ha ha)."

      Actually, it's more like make many different apps to do 1 thing in a mediocre fashion, every time. Also make sure to name said apps as confusingly as possible, and to discontinue them randomly and without warning. The rest is correct.

  23. tolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would love a simple toggle feature to turn tolls off and on without having to dig 3 screens deep. Anytime I take the regular freeway home south from Chicago, google maps asks me every two minutes if i want to take the toll road to save 6 minutes (which costs 8 bucks). The only way to make it stop is to turn off tolls in settings, but I would like to be able to see the different routes without it trying to autoswitch me 10 times/hour.

  24. STOP DEFAULTING TO WALKING FOR SHORT TRIPS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I don't want to walk a mile to get to the restaurant while on a date.

    Who made walking the default?

  25. Reading Street Names by WalrusSlayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the other commentary aside, could they one day fix my pet peeve: the fixed-size, microscopic font for the street names. Doesn't matter how goddamn close you zoom, it always reduces the street name back down to the 0.4 point font. Yeah, I'm a 50-something now who's eyes aren't what they used to be. But I'm pretty sure that even when my eyesight was better, I would still have trouble reading the tiny print. Is it such a crime against humanity to set a zoom threshold where the text size starts to grow with the other features of the map?

  26. Re:Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    Which is great, until you hit a spot in the middle of nowhere, and you don't have cell/data coverage; and you need a map to get out.

  27. I'm just glad ... by aix+tom · · Score: 2

    ... the search feature on Openstreetmap is finally becoming usable.

    Die DISPLAY of the maps has been dozen times better than Goggle maps for quite some time now, but sometimes you had to search for a place on Google Maps, to figure out where it was, and then switch top Openstreetmap to get some Idea of what is actually there....

  28. New Google Maps too big for my old phone... by ClarkMills · · Score: 1

    Ok, it's a Note 2 but it's still going fine... :) I reverted patches and stopped auto-updates, now maps are useable again...

    Yeah, time for a new phone...

  29. IBM Made The Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could NOT have happened without IBM.

    Get back to us when Google does more than kill a few hundred thousand Rohingha.

  30. Re: You Should Kill Yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously SJWs have ruined tge world and you should just kill yourself so we can go forward without you. No one needs you anyways.

  31. Re:Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by farble1670 · · Score: 3

    Which is great, until you hit a spot in the middle of nowhere, and you don't have cell/data coverage; and you need a map to get out.

    Good thing Google Maps has an offline mode that allows you to select arbitrary areas to cache graphically on a map. OTOH, but it'd be better to have every cache 23GB of a map data, in case they need it.

  32. Google Maps Isn't the only game in town by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

    I got sick of having to update I don't know how many sites in the last five years to support new APIs and requirements with Google Maps.

    I use Open Street Maps and Leaflet for most things now. Gets the job done for a lot less hassle and money.

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  33. Llama Mode by Zorro · · Score: 1

    But NOW YOU KNOW how long it takes to ride a Llama from San Jose to Burning Man!

  34. Stand alone gos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iâ(TM)ve gotten so frusterated with google maps that i now use a garmin in my car and drag it with me when traveling. Crazy.

  35. Oh, Google by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    Instead of obsessing over pointless features that no one wants, how about adding:

    - Speed signs and (optional) warnings
    - Sort by distance
    - POI folders
    - More than two "history" entries synced between phone and maps.google.com
    - Sub-second startup

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  36. Had Google Maps stuck in a loop recently by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    I can personally testify to it having problems. A few weeks ago there was a store I wanted to go to that's about a 15-20 minute drive from my house if I go the most direct way (fewest turns). However, it is possible to shave a good 5 minutes off the drive if I let Google maps direct me through some residential areas. I don't ever go through these areas unless I am letting Google Maps direct me and it involves a large number of turns, so I don't have the path memorized. I used Google Maps to go there, something I have done many times before, because I wanted to save time but it failed. It put me in a loop during the final mile of the drive and it cost me so much time, I should have just gone the direct longer way I knew instead. Once I realized I was in a loop, I did know another shopping center nearby, so I drove there and got out of Google Maps and got back into it. I looked up the exact path and it only required one turn on a street I was familiar with so I drove and I had to actually drive past the part where it kept looping and only then did it give me the correct directions the rest of the way, but I didn't need them at that point. I remain puzzled as to what exactly was wrong with Google Maps and its made me a bit leery of it.

    1. Re:Had Google Maps stuck in a loop recently by jtara · · Score: 1

      Google Maps is not and never has been a good navigation app. If you want to navigate, get a navigation app!

      I used to use the excellent Navigon app, until Garmin killed it, and stopped releasing updates and updated maps. (Garmin bought them, and sold both Garmin and Navigon apps for several years.

      I've switched to Waze. I didn't like Waze very much when it was new, but I've been pleasantly surprised since switching from Navigon.

  37. Somebody at Google has to justify their jobs by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    That's an explanation that fits the facts in the madhouse that Google has always been, and which is becoming only more so. Leave things have done, by all means, but innovate at all costs.

  38. I know when software is about to die by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    When useful features start being replaced by gratuitous social media connections, you need to start looking for a new app.

  39. Good thing... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 1

    Good thing auto update is disabled in the play store on my phone. I think this version of the app must be a couple of years old now...works great!

  40. Re: Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing that feature is sensibly implented and doesn't require searching to figure out how to do it....or not.

  41. Google Maps is the next Google Plus.. by kalieaire · · Score: 1

    Google Plus was destined to be the next Google Reader.  When you have a big company with a lot of money and a product manager trying to look good, we find random sh*t being stacked up on top of a product.

    now all of the sudden you've got
    * VTEC, HONDA POWER, MUGEN, NISMO, TRD, and GREDDY stickers
    * Red Honda Badge
    * GT Wing
    * Cut Springs
    * Data Champ Wheels

    ALL OF THIS ON A 1999 Integra Type R.

  42. Re: Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    Good thing Google Maps has an offline mode that allows you to select arbitrary areas to cache graphically on a map. OTOH, but it'd be better to have every cache 23GB of a map data, in case they need it.

    Yeah I know! Feels good to be smarter than most everyone else in the world.

  43. What /is/ a good mapping application nowadays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I gave up on Mapquest several years ago. Whenever I used it, it had me taking a dozen little out-of-the-way county roads--that I'd almost certainly miss the signs for--to get to one of my daughter's athletic events. Google Maps was a little better but it turned out that the Rand McNally map in the back seat was more helpful. The last time I used the Google Maps app on my Android phone it was an exercise in "How the F**k Does This Thing Work? No! I Do Not Want To Use The Voice Interface!". What I find seems to work better is to use Maps on my desktop system and cut-n-paste the damned directions into a text file that I can print and use for reference in the car. Lately, I've noticed that even those have a taken a turn to the Dark Side: Directions that involve no car? Would anyone seriously consider using those for, say, a 50 mile trip? A recent quest for directions to a destination came up with a route that would require 1:15 by car or 13:14:00 using several buses, trains, and walking. Hmm... which one to choose? Can I disable those from even appearing?

  44. Maps Pin URL no longer works on Android Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The computer Google Maps PIN that is sent via Text to my Android phone (for directions), no longer is recognized or loadable by the Google Maps Application on my Android phone. Why should a Pin-marker require an application update? I'm moving away from Google Maps as a result of this snafu.

  45. Maps works fine for me by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    But I'd like to see a little more contrast, on my phone and on my computer. Is that asking too much, Google?

    I usually know where I am and where I'm going, but I'd like to be able to see a map once in a while just to see what's around me.

  46. Re:Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by _merlin · · Score: 1

    The offline caching has been useless for years now. The old Google Maps for Android back around when the Galaxy S3 was released (Ice Cream Sandwich?) let you select areas to cache offline. You could then update them later, view them, or delete them later. You knew exactly what you had stored locally, and you wouldn't end up with a nasty surprise later. I could store Hong Kong Island and Kowloon/TST locally before going on a trip to Hong Kong and then not worry about paying for roaming data or hunting WiFi to use maps. The update that removed the labs features changed it so you could no longer manage your locally stored maps. You can tell it to store an area locally, but you can't see what it's actually stored, or control when it deletes data. You can't guarantee that a map of a particular area will be available offline if you need it. It's effectively useless.

  47. Please, don't become the defacto by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    Google have shown themselves an almost unlimited amount of times, to have no qualms killing a perfectly good service for fun, or to redesign it and make it horrifically awful.
    (I'm still using BASIC HTML gmail right now, I refuse to use that new abomination)

    They will NOT have the balls to say "hey, this user interface is almost perfect, ok half the UI / Dev team? You're fired / on a new project, we do not need to mess with this" - nope, they gotta fiddle.

    Big point here : - Google maps about 2 years ago had a major redesign. In doing so, you couldn't "drop the little man" on the map and browse the streets in person mode, AND have, a nice big, 50/50 split down the bottom of that pane, showing exactly where you are on the map, where you're facing etc. - you could do it, but it was a tiny little box in the left corner.

    The 50/50 horizontal split (vertical would be fine too) allowed you to see not only exactly what is in X location at Y direction, but also _CONFIRMING IT_ on the map in the other pane (little yellow man, with arrow pointing the direction the other pane is showing you)
    It was a fantastic feature and I whined my ASS off in the beta and afterwards about it. It took easily 6, maybe even 12 months to add that function back. It was _ridiculously_ useful and they just decided to take it away, because hey! UI guys gotta fuck things up for fun!!!

    That is only 1 example of products becoming significantly more difficult to use, something going from 1 step to 2, or 3 or 5 or not being possible. It's utterly inane.

  48. Piece of Crap for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just the other week I wanted to go to a store I knew was 30 to 40 minutes away by car (most of the travel speed is 55) but I was at a location that I had never gotten there from before and going back to my normal route would have added 15 to 20 minutes to the drive. I tried to go into google maps and it kept hanging up on me. I finally got it started and entered the address and the directions came up with a number of turns through an area that I had never driven before. I started out and the turn by turn directions never went off. For some stupid reason the app was refusing to recognize where I was currently, as if I didn't have the GPS turned on or something. I did have the GPS turned on especially as it recognized my starting point without me entering it.

    I last used google maps around a year ago and it worked perfectly for me. Now, it's a piece of garbage and I will never use it again. I am likely going to uninstall that thing from my phone completely as it is almost completely useless. The only way I found my way to the store was by zooming in and out of the map while pulled over on the side of the road to find out the next few turns I would need to make. My father recommended a mapping app that he has been using for a little while and I have that installed and will be trying that out next time I need directions somewhere.

    For people that are likely going to point out that building and hilly/mountainous terrain can cause problems with GPS, I wasn't in any type of terrain except gentle hills which should not have obstructed the GPS signals at all. There were even somewhat large flat areas that I drove through and that dang app still never worked correctly.

  49. challenging? lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    funny - i just open the maps app (android phone), put in a destination, tell it to start from my location, it churns, shows me available routes, and i click start.

    maybe challenging for someone like ocasio-sanchez who couldn't figure out how to open a door....

  50. Re:Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Errr literally all of that still works. You still get a view of all your Offline maps, it tells you exactly when they expire (unless updated) gives you the option to update view or modify the map, browse the map, and delete it.

    I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but the feature works just fine.

    Oh and thanks for prompting me to check, I just realise I had large portions of Australia mapped offline. There's some disk space I can now recover rather than waiting until the 7th July 2019 for them to automatically expire.

  51. Not just Google Maps, what about Google Fit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another app that is worse/broken after being upgraded.

  52. maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Google every day it's the one map app that just works, gives me ETA's and update traffic and accidents on the fly.

    Some other apps have nice features but don't always get you where you need to be.

  53. Re: Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by _merlin · · Score: 1

    Oh I see - it's changed again. Trouble is you have to sign in to use any of those features now. I never sign in to Google - their tracking is bad enough without signing in so they can tie everything together. I don't let Google applications access location, either.

  54. Re: Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    Oh I see - it's changed again. Trouble is you have to sign in to use any of those features now. I never sign in to Google - their tracking is bad enough without signing in so they can tie everything together. I don't let Google applications access location, either.

    Let me try to help. Google Maps is a product. It's not charity. If you don't like being tracked, then go away, and don't use the product. Go pay for something that fits your needs. You know, because products don't get built by magical elves.

  55. Re: Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by _merlin · · Score: 1

    I actually did pay for Garmin Navigon, but now that's been shut down. It's hard to compete with "free" products that make money with advertising, so choices are becoming more limited. It's even happening to Windows - ads in Solitaire, Mail, and Calendar. But I actually am taking your advice and not using Google Maps already, hence not realising they'd re-added offline maps but require you to sign in for it. I rooted my S3 so I could downgrade to the old Google Maps that wasn't as irritating, but I can't be arsed doing that any more. I just disable most of the Google applications.

  56. Re: Only MILLENNIALS use APPS! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Trouble is you have to sign in to use any of those features now. I never sign in to Google

    Ending up in some anonymised database is a small price to pay for most of what I use an Android device for not working. I took your view early on, but phones and tablets these days thrive on online services.

    Heck one of my favourite things about Google Maps is that if I look up a direction on the PC, I jump in the car put my phone in the docking station, click the little map icon, and the top most suggestion is the one I just looked up.