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US Wireless Data Prices Are Among the Most Expensive On Earth (vice.com)

A new study from Finnish research firm Rewheel has found that U.S. wireless consumers pay some of the highest prices for mobile data in the developed world. The mobile data market in the U.S. has the fifth most expensive price per gigabyte smartphone plans among developed nations, and was the most expensive for mobile data overall. Motherboard reports: While the report notes that mobile data prices have dropped 11 percent during the last six months in the States, U.S. mobile data pricing remained significantly higher than 41 countries in the European Union and the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. Normally, having four major wireless carriers helps boost competition, in turn lowering prices. But the Rewheel report was quick to note that the often stunted level of competition seen in U.S. wireless is more akin to countries where there's just three major players. Meanwhile, a monopoly over business data connectivity generally keeps consumer mobile prices high. According to the FCC's own data, 73 percent of the special access market (which feeds everything from ATMs to cellular towers) is controlled by one ISP. This varies depending on the market, but it's usually AT&T, Verizon, or CenturyLink. These high prices to connect to cellular towers then impact pricing for the end user and smaller competitors, those same competitors and consumer groups have long argued. Another area where prices were high: mobile hotspots. The report found that Verizon charges users $710 per month for its 100 gigabyte mobile hotspot plan. That same plan costs between $11 and $23 per month in several European countries.

107 comments

  1. Re: Hills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I want to see the Hillary does Ivanka S&M video! I hear they do it on top of a mail server...

  2. AMONG. wah wah wah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call me when yourr Canadian and getting raped.

    1. Re:AMONG. wah wah wah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure all the beaver there makes up for it?

  3. Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financing by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I've always thought it interesting that most people pay twice as much as they need to, even on the exact same network. There are several low-cost carriers such as Boost Mobile, which I've been very happy with.

    From what I've been able to gather, people pay $100/month instead of $30-$35 for two reasons - the "free" phone (that actually costs them $2,000) and advertising / brand recognition. Phone companies spend a ton on advertising because it works. People buy the most-advertised phone service brands, which results in them paying for advertising.

  4. And coming in at number four... by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Informative

    How sad is it that we here in Canada look at the data plans available in the US and _wish_ we had it so good?

    Honestly, North America needs to get its wireless act together.

    Yaz

    1. Re:And coming in at number four... by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That just means you live in the wrong province. It varies widely.

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    2. Re:And coming in at number four... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you be more specific please? Just curious how it varies by province.

    3. Re: And coming in at number four... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saskatchewan and Manitoba have cheaper plans, but they are still more expensice than the US.

    4. Re:And coming in at number four... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't monopolies grand?

    5. Re:And coming in at number four... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah Canada the socialist paradise has it worse than us. Makes me feel better.

    6. Re: And coming in at number four... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, Saskatchewan has sasktel, the only government owned Telcom in North America, it has coverage everywhere in the province, farms, lakes, towns with 10 people. Perfect for people who go to the lake all summer, but it's still expensive.

      I pay 10 dollars a month for 100MB and use whatsapp. Less expensive than texts and voice still.

    7. Re:And coming in at number four... by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Quebec isn't bad; there's some extra competition here in the form of Videotron, so the various providers tend to offer sales more often. I'm currently paying $69/month for 8GB of data, and that's also paying off the iPhone 7 I got November 2017. I go back to the site every few weeks and check if the price has dropped or if they've upped the data. I'll switch plans if it saves me even $1 a month. My partner's plan dropped $5 at some point, and I jumped on that right away.

      It's still expensive compared to Europe, but I'll take what I can get.

  5. Re: Trump FREEDUMB Fone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You so free. BIGLY free.

  6. Re: Trump FREEDUMB Fone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut up antifag apologist.

  7. And the other rankings are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1 - Country
    2 - Country
    3 - Korea
    4 - Canada
    5 - United States
    6 - Country
    7 - Country
    8 - Country ...

    What kind of study is this?

    1. Re: And the other rankings are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s a free summary, you have to pay to get the full report

    2. Re:And the other rankings are by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2

      I looked at the original published report and only one of the three bar graphs had not been "countryfied" - the one labeled "How many 4G gigabytes €30 buys". The worst ones were:
      Greece
      Hungary
      Canada
      Malta
      Cyprus
      Norway
      Portugal
      Japan
      Belgium
      United States
      New Zealand
      Luxembourg
      Iceland
      Turkey
      After that volumes were already 3 x the US value.
      Their claim was that lack of real competition was keeping prices high and that the situation was going to deteriorate if a proposed merger came about. The data was from October 2018.

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  8. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still leaps and bounds better than Canada.

  9. Hashes and Algo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is just a bunch of hashes, and a more advanced Microsoft Research system that can recognize images from a distilled ("visual hash") dataset. So rest easy, regular Joe.

  10. Data pricing by Sir+Lurkalot · · Score: 5, Funny

    But our data must better than Europe's, it cost more!!!

    1. Re: Data pricing by p91paul · · Score: 2

      Oh yes, you are using 2 and 3 to represent data instead of 0 and 1...that is costly but very rewarding!

    2. Re:Data pricing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll be alright if you all adapt daddy-payer data plans, although mixed systems might work as well but those require some additional family discussions which are difficult if the family is slightly dysfunctional.

  11. Market is working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The market in the US is working pretty good. Where else do you see people camping out and paying more that $500-$1000 for a phone.There is plenty of competition in the wireless markets.

    1. Re:Market is working by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      Pfft.. this is gaslighting and brainwashing on a large scale. If the Android clan could put 5% more into QA and to maintenance, it could be a superior product.

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    2. Re: Market is working by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      But they do not, and it is not.

  12. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by blahbooboo · · Score: 1

    I've always thought it interesting that most people pay twice as much as they need to, even on the exact same network. There are several low-cost carriers such as Boost Mobile, which I've been very happy with.

    From what I've been able to gather, people pay $100/month instead of $30-$35 for two reasons - the "free" phone (that actually costs them $2,000) and advertising / brand recognition. Phone companies spend a ton on advertising because it works. People buy the most-advertised phone service brands, which results in them paying for advertising.

    Because there is a difference often in features (ex. T-Mobile's worldwide free data roaming, or ATT wifi calling both are only on their postpaid plans) and quality & breadth of coverage compared to MVNOs (like Boost you mention). I've tried various ATT MVNOs, in my expeirence while the service "worked" it was definitely not as fast or as solid a connection compared to my ATT postpaid plans. Boost mobile is an MVNO of one of the lowest ranked cellular service coverage and speed company Sprint.

    Most postpaid are cheaper than $100 for service nowadays. I suspect anyone still paying $100+ for just service is likely using an ancient plan they don't want to give up. Even the most expensive cell carrier Verizon is cheaper than $100/line nowadays.

  13. DUH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No shit Batman - did these people just get off the boat, or wade across the border (south) or walk across the border (north)?

  14. Re: Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. I pay $45 for 8GB on Cricket. Do I need 8GB? No. But the plan is legacy and still honored as grandfathered so I hesitate to drop it. If I want to save $10 I can drop it to $35 for 5GB. Still a killer deal. Also, thereâ(TM)s never overage charges. Instead they throttle to 128kbps if you exceed your cap (though admittedly this is slow). The plans are so cheap though that you can pay $50 for what others pay $100 for under name brand carriers.

  15. This won't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While e have a "former" Verizon employee as head of the FCC. I put former in quotes because I'm pretty damn sure he's still on their bankroll.

  16. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > it was definitely not as fast or as solid a connection

    I've come up with one or two reasons for this. First, they may be using their own proxy servers to handle data. They may only have one or two and that limits overall throughput or more latency due to distance.

    The second may be that they are paying for lower priority traffic.

  17. Ajit is just helping us all out by See+Attached · · Score: 1

    Said one Giant-Telecom vendor CEO to another. Turning a cellphone into a huge money making machine, rather than a public service. Absolute power doesn't have to be broad. it can be very focused and still be as regrettable in hindsight.

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  18. Country Country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am both really happy and really sad I live in 'Country'...

  19. Maybe so. Not compared to the Moon, Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its astronomically expensive to get wireless data on the moon or on the Mars. Pun intended.

    PS: Which explains why nobody lives there, on a side note.

    1. Re:Maybe so. Not compared to the Moon, Mars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the Mars? Why does your candy bar need wireless data in the first place?

  20. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the commercials i see tell me that our internet providers are doing a great job of providing me with internet. They are also helping fight forest fires in california and providing free puppies to disabled veterans, and defending the world from fascism.
    That is what the television tells me. If you are saying television is lying, then you are speakiepng heresy. I spend 6 hours a day in front of the television recieiving my education on which group of fellow citizens i should hate and which groups and ideas as silly or evil.

    Television is the central alter around wich the nation coalesces. If you keep disrespecting television then we will have to start censoring stories such as this and put you in the same bucket as alex jones or lynden larouche.

    Thank God for my internet service providers that do such a good job of connecting me to the world. Thank god for television.

    1. Re: Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have mental health problems. Your recycled screed is also 15 years out of date. Only old people watch television.

    2. Re: Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to have your irony radar checked

    3. Re: Fake news by jd · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's a dwarf. On Discworld, dwarves think irony means made of iron.

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  21. Still better off than Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With the monopoly that Docomo+KDDI/Au+Softbank have here, we're even beating the US.

  22. it could be worse by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Speaking as someone posting from a vessel just off the coast of Cambodia I'd love to get US levels of net access at the price paid anywhere in the US.

    Sigh.

    1. Re:it could be worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading /. off the Cambodia coast on a vessel - that's pretty cool. Sounds like an interesting "ask slashdot" post: what interesting places do you read Slashdot from? I wonder if submarines have Internet access.

    2. Re: it could be worse by jd · · Score: 1

      You really wouldn't. Can you imagine a Cambodian Comcast or Verizon with server rooms providing data to their police?

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    3. Re: it could be worse by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why not. No worse than the US police getting to see what I'm up to in January when I'm there.

      Lets face it, the Cambodian police are less likely to shoot me.

    4. Re: it could be worse by jd · · Score: 1

      Well, there is that.

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  23. Re: Hills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it involve lots of gently intensifying probing?

  24. it's just like healthcare... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    we pay more than anyone else in the world and yet we have a life expectancy 10 years shorter than Spain.

    1. Re:it's just like healthcare... by guacamole · · Score: 1

      It's because Spaniards take siesta, eat tapas, and drink wine more than anyone else in the EU.

  25. Hah! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    *Laughs in Canadian*

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  26. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    From what I've been able to gather, people pay $100/month instead of $30-$35 for two reasons

    I'm outside the US, I pay under $10/month. On an unlocked, dual-SIM phone, so I can switch carriers with about two taps if my current one decides to up its prices. It's somewhat scary that what you quote as a cheap price would be premium pricing here, and we're not even that cheap a country to begin with.

  27. Re: Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worldwide "free" roaming? I mean, you could just buy a SIM card at the airport and enjoy the cheap foreign proces prices/GB.

    But also I have free roaming in quite a few countries on my Swedish SIM (including USA) for $10/month unlimited GB (max 5GB roaming whichi never reach domestically).

  28. Re:Yeah, so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Data is expensive. OK?

    How are we doing on gasoline price, against the same group of countries?

    How are you doing on public transport?

  29. A lynch mob on a snipe hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still laughing my arse off.

  30. Re: Yeah, so? by registrations_suck · · Score: 0

    Donâ(TM)t really give a shit. I own 2 cars and a motorcycle.

  31. We pay about $120/month by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

    For two lines and 16gb of data...which we (meaning my wife) routinely use up and then go into âoesafety modeâ.

    But when in Mexico and Canada, we pay nothing extra, which is nice (we were in both within a month this year). Plus, no extra charge for tethering.

    Our phones are paid for, we could jump carriers. I just do not bother. Not motivated to bother looking for savings. But on the upside, we do not pay for TV, Netflix, Hulu, or whatever else, so if you look at our TOTAL telecom expense every month, we probably come out OK.

    1. Re: We pay about $120/month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pay 10â/month for a 30 GB plan, unlimited calls and SMS, free roaming in entire Europe. U$120/month is a steal!

    2. Re: We pay about $120/month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is cheap. do you have a speed cap?
      Mine is 25€/month, no limits except a 15GB/month datacap when roaming in Europe.
      All my internet traffic goes through LTE these days.

    3. Re: We pay about $120/month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're on T-Mobile and pay $100/month for 4 lines with no limits except data throttled after 50GB for each line and mobile hotspot is limited to 3G speeds. Not quite as cheap as 10 euros a line but in the same ballpark if you back out netflix and prorate the data charge.

    4. Re: We pay about $120/month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No speed cap, but data is limited to 3 GB/month when roaming outside France. Speed is nice for all my needs, including Netflix and other streaming uses. Also, it has no contract, thus I can leave at anytime, without any fees.

  32. Still cheaper in the US by stooo · · Score: 1

    It's still cheaper in the US than on Mars.
    There the bandwidth is metered in bits/s, and it's extremely expensive.
    Way to go, USA :)

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    1. Re: Still cheaper in the US by jd · · Score: 1

      Difference is, nobody on Mars is opposed to metropolitan networks being installed. Lovely hundred gigabit networks. The sort you could have to the home, but can't because Verizon and Comcast got competition banned.

      I do so love the idea of hundred gigabit networks, and I live in a country where that would be legal.

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  33. Re: Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free Mobile in france allows 25 GB roaming in the USA , and 100 GB in france for 19.00 a month and no bullshit limits on hotspot usage. American mobile data pricing is insane.

  34. Re: Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financ by p91paul · · Score: 2

    I'm in Italy, and I pay 5â (way less than $10) for 10GB, data-only (but I can get some minutes or even unlimited calls for 10 to 15â depending on the carrier). Newer plans are better than that. My carrier is actually one of the cheapest, but is not MVNO (MVNOs do exist and may offer slightly better deals). That means your $35-45 plan is still 3 to 5 times higher than we are used to! About that $710 plan...wow. I mean...wow. Just to note, here carriers are *required* to allow mobile hotspot in any plan they offer, without a price increase!

  35. Re: Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is not a killer deal relative to EUROPEAN pricing ......

  36. Ma? Is that you, Ms. Bell? by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Its almost like providers are deliberately trying not to compete or let other player into the markets that might drive prices down. Perhaps someone should investigate that...

    Say, wasn't there some sort of big lawsuit a few years back where a big phone company got broken up because they were too big and uncompetative?

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  37. Re: Yeah, so? by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, not so good.

    The extra added on to petrol in Britain simply gets paid by the US driver by other means. And by having more people collecting the money by more methods, you pay a higher premium.

    Your distances are about twenty times greater, and your vehicles maybe twice as heavy, so you end up using fourty times the fuel for the same tasks.

    So you pay far more and pay far more often, all you do is pay less at a time.

    And you fell for it.

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  38. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a number of problems in the US that results in high costs of telecommunication services. A lot of it boils down to socialist policies, but distances also are an issue.

    So for example Europeans frequently live in high density (by US standards) city areas and all of Europe is much closer whereas the US is spread out. This means there is a higher cost to provide service.

    The other problem depending on what we are talking about is socialism. Landline internet access for which cellular towers connect are a monopoly. This socialist policy is the result of city governments giving cable companies monopolies in the 1980s with "regulations" on prices they could set that were then lifted in the 19980s. That gave them an entrenched monopoly regardless of if its a legal monopoly today. You can't compete as an entrent to a market if you have to charge more than your competition because your competition can undercut you on price because they've already paid off the loans.

    Europe went a different way and at least for now mostly requires there be two parts. One is the physical line provider and the other is the ISP. This limited amount of competiton has helped, but there are also subsidies. What you actually pay is likely a lot higher than percieved because you are paying for service via taxes that you may not even be aware of. Socialism exists everywhere- but it's more so in some places than others. Even the so called "libertarian" states frequently are just disguises for socialism. Hong Hong for instance has a government that owns all the land and leases it out via 50 year contracts which are bid up via private entities. It accounts for 1/3 of the governments revenue. This results in people paying taxes through sky high rents rather than directly through income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and similar.

    The only hope I have to rid us of socialism is through an actual principled libertarian migration movement. 20,000 people are in the process of and many already have moved to New Hampshire. A lot has been accomplished already- but there is still a long ways to go. I don't anticipate a freedom-respecting state to exist any time soon- but give it 20-50 years and there might be a chance. I'm just glad to see that there is already a bit of progress being made. The migration has already succeeded and there are already 20 or so reps in the house and that has already had an impact in what laws are getting passed. Crypto currency businesses for instance have been protected from regulation through a law that prohibits the banking department from regulating it (which is how it would be regulated otherwise and theoretically could have been for a short while had the issue not been fixed fast enough).

  39. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by AxeTheMax · · Score: 1

    I find that coming to slashdot is the easiest and cheapest way to read utter codswallop and tripe.

  40. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by Ichijo · · Score: 1, Troll

    Libertarianism wants to privatize profits and socialize negative externalities. We can do better.

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  41. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dad lives in Canada and for about 5 years he was paying Telus $350 a month for his cellular bill and he barely uses it. There were no overages or anything, he just had a bunch of addons tacked on that were ridiculous. When I asked him about it he said he doesn't know either but it's too hard to get them to do anything about it over the phone so he gave up trying.

    Things like this are why Canada has the most overpriced cellular services in the world.

  42. Re: Yeah, so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do your children get to their hobbies ?

  43. Re: Yeah, so? by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

    I drive them.

  44. ...and India has the cheapest wireless data plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks to Reliance Jio 4G, you can have 60 GB of high speed data for 28 days at around 2 USD.

  45. Re:Yeah, so? by Kiuas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Data is expensive. OK?

    The defense of all monopolies and oligopolies. 'It's not that we really want to charge as much as humanly possible for this thing because we know people want it and have nowhere else to go, it's just that it's really really expensive you see..."

    Large parts of the US have no competition on the mobile networking side of things, which basically allows the companies to dictate the price. This is basic economics. It's right there in the summary:

    Meanwhile, a monopoly over business data connectivity generally keeps consumer mobile prices high. According to the FCC's own data, 73 percent of the special access market (which feeds everything from ATMs to cellular towers) is controlled by one ISP.

    Meanwhile, while we're a relatively small and a sparsely populated country here in Finland, we've got 2 major telecoms that have 4G coverage of most of the country. And whaddayaknow, once some competition appears, suddenly it turns out that data is not so expensive after all. My current plan has unlimited text messages, unlimited domestic call, unlimited (actually unlimited, no datacap) 5G (in theory, in practice the network is still 4G, we're in early phases of 5G infrastructure building) data in the Nordics + 15 gigs of outside the Nordics EU roaming data at at 30 euros a month.

    How are we doing on gasoline price, against the same group of countries?

    The real question is, how's your infrastructure doing? 'Cause last I checked, according to american engineers, it's pretty dismal. See, the reason gas is expensive here is that we tax the shit out of it (75 % of the price of gas is tax here), which we then use to you know, actually maintain the road and bridge infrastructure. Moreover, gas being more expensive reduces the incentive of people to drive and actually has lead to fast development of public transit. I own a car, but it's actually faster for me to use public transportation to get from my front door to my main office because turns out the subway bypasses traffic jams, and it saves me money; for less than the price of refueling my car full once, I get one months unlimited use of Helsinki's puvlic transit network consisting of buses, a couple metro lines, a tram system, ferries and trains.

    In the mid-to-long term, I'm actually all for gradually increasing the gas tax even more to drive people away from using it and to adopt modes of transit less destructive to the planetary ecosystem, because I really like breathing air and would like my potential kids and grandkids to be able to do it as well.

    But yay for cheap gas! Never mind tomorrow or actual long-term planning like intelligent tool using apes that have an understanding of their own resource use and its impact on societies and the planet overall. Let the planet burn, as long as there's cheap gas for everyone amirite? Or maybe, just maybe we could for once take a hint from people with a long running relationship with the environment who understand that we're not outside the system but a part of it and we can't just keep exploiting it because we like fast cars and insanely inefficient combustion engines?

    Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money.

    -Alanis Obomsawin, a member of Abenaki tribe from Canada, talking to author Ted Poole, from the book “Who is the Chairman of This Meeting?” (published in 1972)

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  46. Re: Yeah, so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're either without a job or your children have crappy hobbies that must perfectly align with your schedule.

  47. Put the blame where it belongs by XB-70 · · Score: 1
    As soon as any new government in any country gets elected (or otherwise takes power), the Telcos pound on their door like a repo man after a million dollar debt.

    They present all the ways that they will feather the Government's nest with either tax revenue, jobs (to build the infrastructure) or bribes or a combination therein.

    The problem is that no one represents the consumer - least of all the (sometimes) elected official.

    If we want this situation to change, we have to do as much pounding on the door as the Telcos and make our elected officials understand that we are not sheep to be led and taken advantage of.

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  48. How does it compare to prices on other planets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since it was necessary to specify "Earth" they must have data on other planets. I would like to see that data.

  49. For comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Denmark $19.80 gets me 1TB a month on 4G. I use it as my only connection and hotspot at home. At it's very best it can touch 25Mbit.

  50. Re: Yeah, so? by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

    You have neglected the possibility that both of my children are currently under 3 years old - which is in fact the case.

    Also the fact that I have a fairly flexible schedule, specifically BECAUSE I have a good job.

    But keep trolling, maybe you will get it right eventually.

  51. Re: Yeah, so? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Your analysis is insane. Our vehicles are heavier, but not twice as heavy. Cars have bulked up across the board in the last couple of decades due to amenities and safety equipment.

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  52. It's no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens when you remove competition from the market place and scratch the backs of politicians who return the favor?

    This. Non competitive false capitalism.

  53. Are you serious, Verizon? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    $710/mo for 100 GB and up to 12 Mbps? You are a bunch of crooks.

  54. Roaming in EU by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Has the EU eliminated roaming charges when you are outside of your home market? Are the EU plans unlimited data? The article doesn't reall go into much detail on how the plans compare beyond pricing.

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    1. Re:Roaming in EU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EU resident here.

      Semi removed roaming charges, very low cost to call a home country number.

      Don't think there are any truly unlimited data plans, an example would be 100 GB a month in home country and 5 GB in EU pr. month.

    2. Re:Roaming in EU by gdm · · Score: 1

      I recently spent a month in the UK, and for that subscribed to GiffGaff (https://www.giffgaff.com/). For 20 UKP (a discount from 25 because I was referred by a friend) I got "unlimited" data, text and calling in the EU. In reality, that's 20 gigs unrestricted data, then it's throttled. With no WiFi where I was staying, I tethered a laptop and tablet. I ended up using about 15 gigs of data, including a trip over to Belgium, where everything still worked.

      As a Canadian, these are excellent prices, but I'm sure you could do better.

      g

  55. Re: Yeah, so? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Actually, not so good.

    The extra added on to petrol in Britain simply gets paid by the US driver by other means. And by having more people collecting the money by more methods, you pay a higher premium.

    Your distances are about twenty times greater, and your vehicles maybe twice as heavy, so you end up using fourty times the fuel for the same tasks.

    So you pay far more and pay far more often, all you do is pay less at a time.

    And you fell for it.

    Not realy. If you look at average milage per year, the US is about 12K, EU 10K and UK 8K based on the latest numbers I could find. If you assume UK/EU fuel prices are 2X vs the US, the EU and UK pay more per mile driven in fuel costs than the US; even though you drive less.

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  56. Re: Yeah, so? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Actually, not so good.

    The extra added on to petrol in Britain simply gets paid by the US driver by other means. And by having more people collecting the money by more methods, you pay a higher premium.

    Your distances are about twenty times greater, and your vehicles maybe twice as heavy, so you end up using fourty times the fuel for the same tasks.

    So you pay far more and pay far more often, all you do is pay less at a time.

    And you fell for it.

    After I said: "Not realy.[sic] If you look at average milage per year, the US is about 12K, EU 10K and UK 8K based on the latest numbers I could find. If you assume UK/EU fuel prices are 2X vs the US, the EU and UK pay more per mile driven in fuel costs than the US; even though you drive less.

    I should have added "for a vehicle that gets the same gas milage." You can get a fuel efficient vehicle or a gas hog; depending on you choice; either would be more expensive to drive in the UK or EU.

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  57. Re: Yeah, so? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Your analysis is insane. Our vehicles are heavier, but not twice as heavy. Cars have bulked up across the board in the last couple of decades due to amenities and safety equipment.

    In addition, the miles driven on average are not that different, the US drives about 50% more miles on average at about 1/2 the cost of fuel; so the same vehicle would be cheaper to operate in the US than the UK. That does not account for any differences in annual registration costs or other fees such as congestion charges, etc.

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  58. If there is one thing that Americans love... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....its getting ripped off by large corps.

    1. Re:If there is one thing that Americans love... by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Considering most of us either work for one or own stock in one...you can see how it makes sense.

  59. FreedomPop Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    FreedomPop offers a low cost alternative in the USA. However, the service isn't easy to use. It forces you to use their buggy app which routes your calls and texts differently than just roaming on AT&T or whoever.

    Also, they charge you $20 to cancel an account which is a scam. There is also a charge to downgrade to to their free service. They entice you buy a second SIM for $0.01, hiding the fact that they will be charging you later for this downgrade or cancellation.

  60. Re:...and India has the cheapest wireless data pla by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

    Could it be that India is also one of the most densely populated places on Earth while America is one of the least?

  61. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's capitalism for you

  62. Money for access by strikethree · · Score: 1

    There is no surprise here. It costs money to have unfettered access to everyone's personal communications. The NSA and other three-letter-agencies are the reason wireless carriers can rape the population's wallets so thoroughly. Usually, when you see a situation like this, it is regulatory capture, but "capture" is not needed in this instance.

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  63. Prime Directive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called Capitalism, and it's what this country is all about, so stop whining.

  64. Re:Yeah, so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about this? What about that?
    If you didn't ask about gasoline in particular one might think this was your favourite song from Michael Jackson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU

    captcha: censure

  65. Re: Yeah, so? by jd · · Score: 1

    A typical English car gets 45mpg, that's best of the best in the US. A humvee gets 12, downhill.

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  66. Re: Yeah, so? by butchersong · · Score: 1

    We don't tend to place our children on public transport before they are of driving age in the states. This is especially true in "urban" areas where public transport would be an option.

  67. Not sure how telling this chart is.. by butchersong · · Score: 1

    The US is a good deal below Korea and Canada. The EU countries are not broken up into separate regions other than France and Italy so... I'm not sure if poorer nations are driving down the cost of the single EU28 region. Is this one price for all countries in that region?

  68. But but but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely free market capitalism will fix this like it has everything else here in the US!

  69. Re: Yeah, so? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    A typical English car gets 45mpg, that's best of the best in the US. A humvee gets 12, downhill.

    True, since most people in the US don't drive the tiny sub compacts; even so at 2X gas prices a US car would nead to average 22.5 MPG, with the latest average at 24 per DOT, making the costs about the same on a per mile basis or a bit cheaper in the US. Even long wheel base light duty vehicles (some cars, trucks, vans, etc.) hit 17. New light trucks hit 27 and cars 37. If you compare similar vehicles the UK's fuel costs are signifiantly higher. Even if you look at cost for total miles driven the US only pays 25% more to drive 50% more miles. The OP's notion that US drivers pay significantly more because they drive more is incorrect.

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  70. Re:Advertising vs Boost Mobile etc. Phone financin by dave420 · · Score: 1

    You seem to be entirely confused about so many things. Wow.