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CDC: Do Not Eat Any Romaine Lettuce Until Further Notice (wired.com)
Earlier this week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention put out an unusually strong statement telling Americans to toss any romaine lettuce in any form: whole, chopped, pre-bagged into Caesar salads, combined into spring mix, and so on. The warning covered not just homes but retailers and restaurants, and came with a recommendation to empty any fridge where romaine has been stored, and wash it out with soap and warm water. From a report: The CDC said it was making the recommendation to not eat, serve or sell any romaine lettuce because 32 people in 11 states, plus 18 people in Ontario and Quebec, have been made ill by E. coli O157:H7, which causes very serious illness because it produces a toxin that destroys cells lining the intestines and kidneys. The patients are all infected with the same strain, based on genetic fingerprinting, and the only thing they have in common is that they all ate romaine.
But, the CDC said, "no common grower, supplier, distributor, or brand of romaine lettuce has been identified." The agency isn't usually so sweeping in its statements, but with a holiday coming -- one that's centered around eating and that takes people offline into the real world of airports and cars and dinner tables -- it warned against all romaine until the threat can be better defined. The Food and Drug Administration, which does have the power to compel foods to be recalled, is investigating, along with health departments in the 11 states where people have gotten sick.
But, the CDC said, "no common grower, supplier, distributor, or brand of romaine lettuce has been identified." The agency isn't usually so sweeping in its statements, but with a holiday coming -- one that's centered around eating and that takes people offline into the real world of airports and cars and dinner tables -- it warned against all romaine until the threat can be better defined. The Food and Drug Administration, which does have the power to compel foods to be recalled, is investigating, along with health departments in the 11 states where people have gotten sick.
I read no other news, so I messed this when it came out two days ago. So I ate romaine lettuce and now I am shitting my pants.
The CDC said it was making the recommendation to not eat, serve or sell any romaine lettuce because 32 people in 11 states, plus 18 people in Ontario and Quebec, have been made ill by E. coli O157:H7, which causes very serious illness because it produces a toxin that destroys cells lining the intestines and kidneys.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Russian agents not instructed to 'make it look natural' so we spray enhanced e. coli indiscriminately on all types of produce. Mission objective of social chaos achieved but this oversight may come back to bite Kremlin on tuchus. Asymmetric response to American sanctions still largely considered a success.
imagine a soft, buttery paw gently pressing down onto a sleeping soldier's face. forever.
Because in developed countries the food is picked, packed and shipped by people who aren't paid enough to care about sanitation.
Because shitting all over ourselves isnâ(TM)t a way of life here, except for you.
I'll make sure to heed this advice for the next few rest of my life.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
If you have limited means of growing produce, you wouldn't want to waste it on crunchy water.
I never liked them.
Undeveloped countries don't have the infrastructure to monitor these types of things because they are undeveloped.
Also, developed countries have far more developed food safety standards because they are developed.
Really, the big clue on this is your own use of the word "developed".
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Sad.
Because high levels of cross contamination only occurs in industrialized farming. You're safe if you grow your own or buy your romaine at an old fashioned farmer's market.
Shitting for days is the price you pay for cheap, convenient food.
I read this shit yesterday on NPR. Slashdot: "Yesterday's news, Today!"
Because nobody gives a fuck why someone in Africa croaks.
People die on this continent by the thousands, daily, from avoidable diseases, from wars that nobody know about because they ain't even worth a ticker message on CNN, from mining the metals we need for our next cellphone that we use for a year, if that, and a million other things.
And nobody, literally nobody, gives a fuck.
You are still wondering why these people try to escape that hellhole? I don't.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
... the organic momo's that believe they will never die by eating only organic ?
If you want it done the other way, you support the multinational that will gladly provide an environment that will manage to be both carcinogenic and contagious at the same time. Their rank and file may not be able to afford to eat what they produce... not that they'd actually want to.
Factory-farming and large-scale food production are the problem.
Eating should never be centralized; keep it local.
Because 32 people getting a little sick in a country of 325,000,000 isn't worth batting an eye over in any country with any serious problems to deal with. 1 in 10 million people getting sick? Just drinking the municipal water sickens way more than that in most countries.
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This was only in the news several days ago.
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Agreed, I only eat ass locally.
... in Germany a few years back. The so called EHEC scandal. (Can't recall if EHEC is the pathogen out the disease it causes). It wasn't pretty. For weeks the republic was frantically tracking down the source and found it in a farm that had basically used raw sewage to fertilize grown sprouts. A few people died a painful death iirc. Don't know if anybody went to jail. This is sort of a borderline case in which dumb Farmers can actually kill people. I don't know if they changed some growing regulations or something after that.
Bottom line: don't think the CDC is exaggerating, this could likely be serious.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
It's not crunchy water to blame, it is migrant farm workers not being given bathroom breaks and so taking shits in the fields instead. "transmission occurs through fecal contamination of food and water supplies" --Wikipedia
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I'm a peripheral visionary.
Until you point out it's an incurable, highly contagious hemorrhagic fever with a brief 48-hour incubation period during which it expresses no tell-tale symptoms, whatsoever.
When your grade three teacher told you about Africa being "over there", her own education was already ten years out of date.
Just wait until all those Pennsylvanian coal miners find out what "globalization" really means.
All it takes is one tainted kilo of weed delivered by Swift Boat in the dark of night.
Because Europe’s poor refugees sit around getting welfare checks and making bombs. Poor refuges in the US pick lettuce. Farmers like hiring them because if they are not legal immigrants they won’t complain to OSHA about their working conditions.
Crunchy water refers to the low nutritional value of lettuce, meaning that only developed countries would take the trouble to grow this product.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Maybe the local folks in under developed countries have more of an acquired or natural immunity to nasty critters in the water that would make a lot of developed country folks get the backdoor trots?
This is why some of the critters that Europeans schlepped into the New World wreaked havoc among the natives.
Jarod Diamond covered diseases as being one of the things that a civilization needs to conquer another in a book titled, "Guns, Germans and Steel" .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Because people in undeveloped countries often fall ill to gastro-intestinal diseases and die sooner as a result. Since there's bigger fish to fry in those countries, they put things like "not getting the runs" below "managing to not die from exposure".
In developed countries issues like "local wildlife ate my baby" don't happen (often) and thus we have time to care about "OMG toilet NAOW" and thus we make sure places that are selling us food don't accidentally sell us food that gives us diarrhoea.
I'm surprised I have to explain this, to be honest.
It's more like "I want to build a wall to keep the Romans and their lettuce from killing the American people." -- D. Trump.
Needless to say :
Wrong continent and
2000+ years out of date
That's D.J.T for you. A fat smelly cheeseburger loving, piss loving, unredeemable idiot, small hand anc criminal American president.
So dead is "a litte sick"?
I believe you mean West Virginia coal miners...
Jarod Diamond covered diseases as being one of the things that a civilization needs to conquer another in a book titled, "Guns, Germs and Steel" .
FTFY. But your original was unintentionally funny.
I cannot recommend Diamond's book ighly enough. It was a long, but very enlightening read for me. For the TL/DR crowd: his thesis is that the rise and dominance of European civilization was primarily a fluke of geography that allowed its inhabitants to cultivate crops and form specializations in society earlier than other parts of the world.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
Working of Error
> [CDC] isn't usually so sweeping in its statements, but with a holiday coming...
Seriously? If (like me) you were wondering whether that clanger came from the CDC itself or the vapid press (Wired in this case), it's the latter.
Weed? From Africa?
Please.
Palm oil and cocoa is what they really export to us. Any palm oil not coming from the far east is probably from Nigeria. And palm oil is in pretty much EVERYTHING today. It's the cheap replacement for pretty much any other fats we used to have in our processed foods.
Enjoy your dinner.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Until you point out it's an incurable, highly contagious hemorrhagic fever with a brief 48-hour incubation period during which it expresses no tell-tale symptoms, whatsoever.
And yet all the hysteria over that is a media driven sensation that ignores the reality, and the biggest response will still be to wall those people off.
I cannot recommend Diamond's book highly enough.
Doh, irony. I correct someone else's typo, then make one of my own. Sorry.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Food safety in Europe is proactive, food safety in the US is reactive. That's why you see so much more food poising whether it's through lettuce, chicken, eggs etc in the US... than in Europe.
Europe only recently had a big insecticide scandal with eggs. Most eggs found in supermarkets were affected because they all come a couple of producers in the Netherlands. Eggs were recalled from supermarkets and people were told not to eat eggs they already bought. Aaand after all that blew over we're back to the same few producers. Proactive my ass.
"We have the best E. Coli. Beautiful. Really gassy."
poor people in poor countries don't eat fancy plants like romaine lettuce.
poor 'undeveloped' countries don't have extensive agricultural irrigation systems that easily allows produce farms to be located in areas they wouldn't otherwise be able to sustain themselves in due to lack of natural rainfall.
that was the cause of the last outbreak involving romaine. a romaine lettuce farm located downstream from a cattle farm was using the river water, naturally 'contaminated' with livestock shit, for irrigation of their fields.
As a small farmer, this is a systemic problem with our industrial food producers, and you will not find a more compelling reason for joining a local Community Supportrd Agriculture (CSA) program. You could be having fresh romaine today, if you have personally verified your farmers and their production methods.
I offer such a package through a farmshare program; however, I do not sell to the public, because I do not trust our food safety programs at any level. They are literally worthless to me and my customers.
The USDA and state ag divisions exclusively serve large producers. Their policies and rules actively discriminate against small producers. Meat processors that serve small producers are shutting down at a time when production is going up. Subsidies make food less expensive to buy in the store than in costs to produce, and small farmers that have integrity do not participate in those programs. Organic verification is a farce that allows big producers to continue their business as usual; they still spraying poisons and âoetreatedâ sewage on your food.
I hope the CDC gets sued by all of the small producers that have been affected by this. They cannot afford to take a hit like the big producers can. The CDC just lost a huge amount of credibility with me.
Read the other answers. Summary: people in developing countries have more immediate things to worry about.
Also they don't have the same kind of news media trying to troll them 24/7.
"migrant farm workers" likely aren't the major source of contamination. Think bird shit, coyote shit, rabbit shit. There's no water treatment for field water - so the water coming out of the sprinklers is pulled straight out of the ditch/river which may be contaminated by the feedlot upstream. All of which are sources of "fecal contamination".
And the worms ate into his brain.
Spinach is always cooked in India, and we have so many kinds of spinach too. There are uncooked foods in Indian cuisine, the chutneys, raitha, kosumari ... but usually they manage to avoid contamination. Now I have lost all immunity. I avoid uncooked foods in all restaurants there.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Maybe the local folks in under developed countries have more of an acquired or natural immunity to nasty critters in the water that would make a lot of developed country folks get the backdoor trots?
Having lived in a third world country where people do not know basic rules of sanitation, I can promise you that this is not the case. They have all kinds of illnesses that they blame on being outside when it rains rather than the really disgusting water they should have filtered and then added a little bleach to. I've spent a lot of time hanging out with the people in their little shanty towns and they're constantly sick.
... .lettuce not deny the seriousness of the issue.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
No, all it takes is a nurse with political ties to be allowed back in the country for no good reason.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29...
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Small and organic farmers have significantly higher rates of e.coli contamination that large industrial farms.
Read Journal of Food Protection, or "Preharvest Evaluation of Coliforms, Escherichia coli, Salmonella, and Escherichia coli O157:H7 in Organic and Conventional Produce Grown" for more information.
Up to 19 times more e. coli, in fact.
Just more frequently killing people than us Europeans' migrants. How many people you fucking loser RWNJs killed this year alone again?
And yet despite all the feamongering millions of people didn't die.
We have plenty of miners here in Pennsylvania too. Or do you think coal veins in the same foothills and mountain range suddenly dry up when they hit the Mason-Dixon line?
And which one? Why is every nutcase endowed with an equally nutcase "god" who tells them what to do?
What is winter sunlight? Your idiocy.
This is general news for the US, hardly news for nerds.
Yes, something that's important, but also something in probably every US newspaper and on every TV channel and radio.
Can we stick to tech news, maybe?
Anyway, I hope nobody here gets sick because if this.
If you have to explain the joke, it means it didn't work. It's not like E.Coli is magically linked to "crunchy water".
So dead is "a litte sick"?
No, dead is a lot sick. I don't know how many of the 32 US people who were diagnosed with e. coli actually died from the disease; do you? At any rate, I think the post you were replying to was just suggesting a bit of perspective. In a country where 40,000 people per year die in automobile accidents, 32 people getting sick - whether it's a little or a lot - doesn't seem like something that should cause a lot of hand-wringing. The CDC has issued their warning and investigators will eventually get to the root cause. In the meantime, avoid the stuff that might be bad.
If you have to explain the joke, it means it didn't work.
There was no joke.
Sucks to be a Romaine lettuce grower right now.
Well, that put a quick end to the vegans' gloating over the ground turkey salmonella, now didn't it?
There is currently a callback for one load of a specific French Camembert because of E. coli.
Coincidence?
Europe has also had it's own share of E Coli outbreaks with produce. The OP's sanctimony is entirely unwarranted.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Last year 80K Americans died from the flu.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Slashdot used to claim to be "news for nerds". What's the tech/nerd-related angle on this story? I could see if it was a warning against consuming Cheetos or ethnic take-out or something, but lettuce? All the mainstream news outlets are taking care of getting the word out on bad lettuce.
So dead is "a little sick"?
They're not dead, they're resting.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
You mean a perfectly healthy nurse to be politically quarantined for no good reason? Because that's what actually happened.
(Republican racism and xenophobia - oooo, scary Africa.)
Great question. Expect it to go completely unanswered.
Your gut should kill anything if you are healthy. Although there is still cross contamination to consider (touching your face).
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I insist on eating romaine lettuce fertilized with Mexican farm labour.
Read 'guns germs and steel' by Jared Diamond. In it Diamond elegantly explains that Europeans conquered the word not through our superior disease resistance. Basically while civilozed society aka non-whites were living clean lives the Crackers were all living with their filthy pigs in disease ridden Europe. The reds and yellows and blacks just could not compete with out inherant predatory world outlook and our disease resistance.
Make whites strong again. Stop washing your hands, insist on eating romain lettuce and thank an illegal mexican invader for shitting on it for you.
Leave soap for the lessee races.
Hooray for filthy white power
Why not. They hardly have tech stories anymore.
Yes, they did. It was an exceptionally bad year. But I notice nobody was lining up to be the target in a sneezing contest.
Since it;'s not a big deal for people to not eat one particular variety of lettuce, it seems like a perfectly reasonable precaution.
In these dark times, we at least have the irony of an American blithely criticizing others about domestic terrorism. I wonder what's next for US shootings, the bar is already so high, probably a special needs orphanage? A maternity ward? I'm jealous that Europeans get to be terrorized as part of a larger conflict and histories. Here, it's just whenever a mentally ill millenial white guy doesn't get laid or when a mentally ill baby boomer white guy starts to really grasp how fucking lame and useless they are.
Because that's where you live. If you lived, for example, in El Salvador, you would hear about this kind of thing in El Salvador, too. Not as often though, because an outbreak in New York will be reported in San Francisco, whereas an outbreak in Colombia might not be reported in El Salvador.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You have got to be kidding.... We've lost.. what? 20,000 people over the last century to "domestic terrorism"? You morons elect leaders that slaughter you by the TENS OF MILLIONS and you're really going to criticize us?
Fuck off... Seriously.. Glass houses and all that jazz.
The summary said some toxin is released by the bacteria. Would cooking deactivate this also? This is different from killing the bacteria, which (unless we're talking extremophiles) can be killed by a mere 80C of heat, well under boiling point.
Another major factor is the industries success in avoiding regulations that would force them to test irrigation water for pathogens.
According to the CDC:
Estimates of Foodborne Illness in the United States. CDC estimates 48 million people get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die from foodborne diseases each year in the United States. . .
https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/index.html
So, it is not true that this is a rare problem that doesnâ(TM)t warrant attention in such a large country, or that other problems justifiably overshadow coverage of food poisoning.
What certainly is true is that industrialized food production is a huge business, that many Americans are dependent on it, and that the US has a long history of sweeping inconvenient to solve problems under the rug, especially when the only sensible solution is the irrationally dreaded government regulation.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Part of the reason is that developed countries have more press, all competing for the ad-sponsored audience. I.e. you hear about it more.
Part of it is the distribution mechanism, where produce from one place makes it to hundreds of different markets under different brand names. It's being fought somewhat with the "farm to table" movement, which if nothing else helps restrict outbreaks.
And part of the reason is that people in developed countries have crappy immune systems, having been overproteced all their lives. The threshold for an infection turning into a disease is much lower if you don't have a primed immune system.
Wrong. Food safety in Europe is proactive
Last I checked, Europe was considered an area of developed countries.
It is worth noting that the affected eggs had concentrations of insecticide that would have been completely legal in the US, though.
I prefer the devil's lettuce, thank you very much.
Think manure that is spread on the soil to fertilize it coming into contact with the low lying lettuce leaves.
Youâ(TM)re generalizing from much of a continent to an entire continent. If someone did that to America, theyâ(TM)d say that the entire country looks like... well, take any single PART, and imagine someone pretending the whole thing is just like that. A truckstop town in the middle of nowhere on Interstate 40, for example. Or downtown New York City. Or a beach in Florida. You could imagine the whole country as fairly rich, if all of America were like Silicon Valley, a sprawling metroplex in the southwestern part of Northern California. Any one of these generalizations would be wrong. Similarly, imagining all of Japan is just exactly like Tokyo, or all of China is just like Shanghi, or all of Germany is just like Berlin, all of England is just like London... or all of the UK is just like England, for that matter.
Africa is a vast, sprawling continent, and while poverty is an endemic and widespread problem, itâ(TM)s not the same everywhere. Not all of Africa is, say... Lagos, Nigeria.
Oh, and BTW, generally, when someone dies in Africa, the same number of people give a fuck as the number of people who give a fuck when someone dies in your country. Now, maybe fewer people on the continent HEAR about it, but to hear about a thing and to give a fuck about a thing are two totally different things.
You may have read in the news about the crowning of a new chess champion. Did you give a fuck about that? Some team just won the âoeWorld Series,â as they like to call it, which is pretty funny for a competition played in only one country. Did you give a fuck about that? I know I didnâ(TM)t. Nor what team won the âoeSuper Bowl,â nor anything else to do with one group of overpaid whiny fucks beating another group of overpaid whiny fucks at some idiotic arbitrary game.
Honestly though, most peopleâ(TM)s radius of Fucks Giving is largely limited to the length of their arms. If itâ(TM)s out of reach, most people couldnâ(TM)t care less about it, whatever it is. They may think they care, but wonâ(TM)t lift a finger to do anything to change it, even if they could.
Let me ask you, who derides people for not giving a fuck when someone dies in Africa. Can you name the people killed in the Pittsburg mass shooting? The one at Mercy Hospital, I think, in Chicago? Can you name ANY of the people who died in the Las Vegas mass shooting? Can you name any of the people who have died in ANY of the DOZENS of generally completely preventable mass shootings that have occurred in the last decade?
Do you give a fuck about them? Do you even know how many died?
Did you know that more Americans have been killed in mass shootings SINCE September 11th, 2001, than died ON September 11th, 2001? Do you know any of their names? Do you give a fuck?
So, it is not true that this is a rare problem
There are over 327,000,000 people living in the US of A, and around 2,800,000 deaths per year. .1% of the deaths, or a .0009% risk of dying from foodborne diseases in the next year.
3,000 is
So no, it's not rare. It's very rare.
Lettuce can be cooked, like any other vegetable. Not for salads though. I make a nice lettuce soup from it.
While youâ(TM)re at it, production of vehicular transportation and the fuel used should also be local.
Donâ(TM)t drive a car built by someone else. Build your own.
But why stop there? Clothes you wear should be local too. So weave your own clothes. Grow the plants used or raise the sheep or cows used to make the wool or the leather yourself... oh, and were you going to use commerically produced SCISSORS or SHEARS to shear the hair off that sheep to make the wool, or use a hammer, a gun, or a knife made by someone else to slit the throat of the cow or bull to get that skin off to be made into leather?
All EVERYTHING SHOULD BE LOCAL! Do everything yourself! FUCK specialization, depending on others to do things for you is just a crutch!
WAIT... are you reading this on a computer made by SOMEONE ELSE?
Get it?
Undeveloped countries don't have the infrastructure to monitor these types of things because they are undeveloped.
... and when it is measured it is sky high. Childhood diarrhea in poor countries is one of the world's leading causes of death, killing more than AIDS, malaria, and measles combined.
32 sick people wouldn't make the news in Africa or India because it is insignificant compared to the thousands of kids dying everyday.
Yep. And it's total horseshit. Diamond's points are not peer reviewed or subject to academic rigor. Even a brief analysis will expose his assertions to be unsupportable. For example, a Chinese/Japanese dominance could have just as easily happened rather than a Europe/Britain model. Actually by Diamond's model a China/Japan dominance would have been more likely because China had all the domesticated animals and crops but had a better agricultural production area.
Diamond's book was just an unacademic adventure to try to support cultural equivalence which failed miserably because there is a subtext of provincialism and cultural superiority in the book. Basically the point that some areas such as China didn't have as much opportunity is blatantly biased as China had southeast asia and the south china sea to dominate but it chose not to. Diamond explains this away as there being agricultural differences due to climate requirements of differing crops due to a north/south difference. But the Europeans in their expansion had no qualms about incorporating and developing agricultural systems from and in environments that are vastly different than those in Europe. Which leaves Diamond with no real explanation that does not smash his assertions of cultural equivalence. Bashing taro as inferior is just giving one culture less credit as taro subjected to European style breeding would likely be a perfectly viable crop. Same with other underdeveloped crops that Diamond sweeps aside as inferior. In fact it wasn't the unsuitablity of crops that "caused" other cultures to dominate. It was the nature of cultures and how they addressed their environments that made the difference. Just as China did a bit of exploring and decided there was nothing worth exploiting while Europe did some exploring and exploited to a fault. The Chinese were developed, civilized with advanced capabilities. The only difference that can explain why Europe and not China is cultural which is exactly opposed to Diamond's basic assertion.
But it was a darling of public media in the US because it offered a simple explanation that allowed us to ignore core problems. Problems that are much more difficult and dangerous to address. Cultural problems. Things we have addressed in the past like outlawing another cultures long ingrained value of burning wives alive in their husband's funeral pyre, slavery, mutilations and so on. Problems that we can ignore with a wave of the hand under the banner of cultural equivalence.
So when the guy in New Guinea asks why the west is rich and he is poor (which is exactly what Diamond says inspired his thinking that went into the book) don't look at the New Guinea cultural value of passing the knowledge of older men to younger men by cumming in the young men's mouths (for real) and suggest that cultural value changes may help New Guinea become a better place. Nope. It's just geography.
Water in Vegetables
Quote:
"A variety of vegetables have a water composition above 90 percent. Cucumbers and iceberg lettuce contain the highest amount because they're 96 percent water. Ninety-four percent to 95 percent of celery, tomatoes and zucchini consists of water. You can choose from broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, sweet peppers and spinach for vegetables composed of 91 percent to 93 percent water. Carrots are rated as having 87 percent, while green peas are 79 percent water."
Are you an H1-B, or 7-11 ?
I suspect the most likely source of shit is from the ground, where they use cow manure.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Mostly because when it happens elsewhere you don't hear about it. Most developing countries have CDC or equivalent too, and have alerts when appropriate, but nobody in your country has reason to relay the alert to you. Interestingly, while I've heard of alerts from many countries 1st and 3rd world, this is the first I've personally encountered from the USA. Here in South Africa I don't recall any E. Coli scares, but there was a big Listeria one recently
That's like saying your password was "a", but the sysadmin was an asshole for making you change it... because you've never been hacked.
Hilarious. Meanwhile "organic" produce is much more likely to be contaminated with ecoli exactly because you literally use shit to fertilize it. Those horrible "industrialized" farms use synthetic fertilizers which don't have that problem.
So if e coli is so bad (and it is), why is it found in the ingredients of the meningitis B vaccine?
Small and organic farmers have significantly higher rates of e.coli contamination that large industrial farms.
Yes, we should totally run with Big Ag's bullshit projections and false narrastives and freak out about naturally-occurring bacteria growing in the fucking soil like it always has. Fuck off with your projections and false narratives, shill.
Ack... typos galore.
Fecal in the case usually means farm animals and wildlife, typically birds. Not migrant farm workers.
Cool theory, but wrong. E coli can and does persist in the ground. Lettuce grows close to the ground. Watering lettuce can cause contaminated dirt to splash up onto leaves. Voila -- contamination.
Why would we care about Africa or a bunch of sub humans? In thousands of years they have yet to actually build a damn society.
You think a puny little human shitting in the fields can produce enough waste to infect an entire chain of suppliers?
Think bigger. Much bigger. Cow shit is everywhere.
Didnâ(TM)t get comments like this when the Irish terroists were causing far more trouble the current handful of wannabe-Moslem criminals. Oh thatâ(TM)s right: Yanks are rascist Islamaphobes, and they gave the IRA most of their funding and weapons.
You do realize that all citizens have a right to return to their nations?
There is no 'being allowed back in', a nation cannot deny entry to one of its nationals under international law. To do so, they would have to strip their citizenship which would make them a Stateless Person which is in violation of other treaties and international laws.
If you are not going to bother to learn the way things have worked since, well, at least Westphalia, then maybe you should reserve commenting.
Can someone tell me why I only hear this kind of "E. Coli scare" only in developed countries?
Because those drop lots of pig piss and cow dung on the lettuce fields. And unfortunately the IQ of farmers drop with the money they make (or spent on machines) and drop piss and dung on lettuce a week before harvest.
We had the same problem a few years ago in Germany (and other parts of Europe), 20 or 50 died. They put the remains of bio gas production, basically fermented and dried dung on lettuce fields that are already ready to be harvested. Took weeks to figure what kind of lettuce it is, what "company" is distributing it and from which farmers it came and why it was contaminated.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Mebby nibbers & slants ought to work hard, making their local hellhole better ---- not fuck with my whitemans paradise. And you Bosco ... so understanding ya might get punched-out for poodling the wettbakkks.
That is why in Thailand the least shelf area is reserved for palm oil, they export everything :D
Honestly, most oil here is peanuts, then comes rice oil and a bit of maize, then obviously in the high price range coconut.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
A car accident is called an accident because: it is a an accident.
If you want to nitpick, yes: some of them could have been avoided 'somehow'. Nevertheless it is kinda if "karma" or "misfortune" or "destiny" to die in an accident.
32 infections by a deadly strand of e. coli: most certainly can be avoided. And on the other hand: not dying in a car accident is super simple: don't be there. Not dying to e. coli is not to simple, it can be in any lettuce or vegetable.
So, we have 32 cases. Agency issues warning. People stop eating the lettuce in question. Nothing happens, no one (or only the 32 die), your conclusion: stupid fear mongers, it was not that dangerous after all!
You are just like the idiots in germany who every year shout: "why do we have stupid storm warnings? Never ever anything is happening than a roof here or there destroyed!" Nevertheless we have always idiots ignoring the warnings because of fore said mantra. And about 10 die every year. And what do the survivours say: "oh! oh! no one told us it was so serious, it looked like a 'standard' warning like EVERY YEAR!" For Funk Sake: if there IS A WARNING it is SERIOUS!
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Also they don't have the same kind of news media trying to troll them 24/7.
They actually have. There are not many places in the world (outside of the USA, pun intended) that have no or bad internet connections.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Actually American support for Irish terrorism was all a huge misunderstanding. People thought they were paying into their tax-deferred retirement plans.
The threshold for an infection turning into a disease is much lower if you don't have a primed immune system. ...
Yeah, no comment to your other idioticies
Perhaps you might want to read a little bit of the summary:
have been made ill by E. coli O157:H7, which causes very serious illness because it produces a toxin that destroys cells lining the intestines and kidneys
Part of the reason is that developed countries have more press, all competing for the ad-sponsored audience. ... did you miss? Since when is the CDC an ad-sponsored agency?
Yeah, and that is why they warn you? Which part of The CDC said
The immune system is not primed against e. coli because e. coli are standard symbionts of the human intestine system. So? Do you grasp this? Regardless how strong your immune system is, you are always prone to get an "e. coli infection" during travels. That severity has strongly gone down over the last 50 years due to increased world travel, though.
So, back to topic, what happens if the 32 patients (or more) lose both their kidneys? Suppose they can not get a transplant (how is the situation in our days in the US with Obama Care and all such? Can an ordinary person receive a transplant?) so they are put on dialysis ... How much does that cost per year? According to a quick google $90,000 per patient. Obviously the CDC and the health care insurances like to keep those costs down. Not to talk about the hardship in life such a life long treatment means.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
When those idiots stop handling and sleeping with the dead of Ebola, then I'll start to give a fuck. Until then, Darwin baby!
It happened during Obama's term, you fucking moron.
Another reason to avoid "organic" farming.
because developed countries live too cleanly, and therefore can't handle a little bacteria.
Although not always possible, stuff like this is a great reason to buy from local farms when possible, it may cost a bit more but with stuff like the Romaine issue happening every now and again, it's a bit of extra insurance...
Not sure if buying "Organic" would really mean local though, so that's probably not good enough without knowing where it really came from.
Those of you living in warm places should look into growing lettuce in your own pots, it works really well and is not fussy to keep alive.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I've waited my whole life for the government to officially declare that pizza, cheeseburgers, and soda are healthier than salads!
Don't blame us in the UK. We didn't vote romaine.
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Because in other parts of the world you don't have vast food networks that make this meaningful. Do you think, in the rural parts of South America, people buy lettuce from a producer that sells 20 tons per day from 2000 km away? They plant their own lettuce on their backyard. Hell, I do that and I live in a developed country. Except for me it's some sort of a meditative activity to tend to my vegetable garden and for them it's a matter of life or death. And if you produce at a much smaller scale (or you buy from a local farmer) when disease strikes the national disease control authority isn't going to issue these statements, since it's a limited issue.
It's not like E.Coli is magically linked to "crunchy water".
Yes in this case it very much is.
... who don't wash their hands after going to the toilet. And are all meat eaters, of course. You can't expect Mexcrement to care about the suffering of animals, can you?
So as a result, people actually DIE of a hideous disease, because some stupid Mexican can't be bothered to wash their hands after going to the toilet.
Third world people = third world country.
To prove I'm correct - this didn't happen in the 1950s, when WHITE people worked on the farms and picked lettuce, etc.
However you are still falling into the zero risk choice fallacy. That is stopping to eating Romaine lettuce has no risk associated with it. Of course you don't just stop eating Romaine lettuce, you replace it with something else which also has a none zero risk associated with it.
Tragically sometimes the replacement item can have a higher risk. A classic example occured in the UK in 1996 over BSE. Big scare you might get new variant CJD from eating beef, so lets just stop eating beef. Instead they ate more chicken and pork in particular and there where over 1200 excess deaths from salmonella in the following 12 months. Meanwhile there have been less than 300 deaths from new variant CJD (and none for several years now) all in people who had been "infected" prior to 1996.
To further put this into context more people in the USA will die each year from accidents while getting dressed in the morning. Perhaps we should all go around naked instead, or never change our clothes, both of which also have none zero risks associated with them.
"International law", haha. You talk about treaties, that only some nations have signed. Lots of places don't want people to come back, because they have too many people already. If some leave for Europe/USA and occationally send some money back - great! If they are returned - possibly by force, then they have one more mouth to feed, the person may be of an unpopular minority, and less foreign money coming in.
Huh? Why no one proposed this simply idea? Not that E.Coli or others cannot be removed by washing. And eating unwashed vegetables is a bad idea anyway, I expect all nasty bacteria and parasites to be there by default
Pretty sure they don't just disappear all by themselves, and GP is a knucklehead.
- Direct descendent of PA coal miner who died of black lung.
Have you ever been to Swaziland? Heard of "Swazi gold"? It's a country with more per capita weed growing than anywhere else on Earth, and its 95% grandmothers growing it for market. And guess what? It's in Africa.
Don't shoot off your mouth until you've gotten off your ass.
"migrant farm workers" likely aren't the major source of contamination.
Yes, yes they are.
Think bird shit, coyote shit, rabbit shit.
Coyotes and rabbits shit on the ground. Bird shit is not a major problem because of its nature. The problem really is not providing enough bathrooms and/or bathroom breaks to migrant workers, who really are shitting between the rows because they have nowhere else to shit and no time to shit anywhere else even if there were somewhere. In fact, there are scarcely any animals besides birds in the fields any more because Big Agribusiness has mandated that their habitats should be destroyed. If you want to sell greens to one of these big ag companies you have to clear forests and such around your plots specifically because Big Ag has mandated such as a means of dealing with the pathogen problem. It's not working specifically because the animals are not the problem.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Why would you assume that non-lettuce produce is immune to contamination?
Ezekiel 23:20
Gee... and why is that place a hellhole? Because of the PEOPLE who live there! You act as if 'war' is something that magically appears and affects the human race somehow, it isn't - it's caused by HUMANS.
Wherever Africans go, there is Africa- a third world shithole. Care to prove me wrong with facts?
A car accident is called an accident because: it is a an accident. If you want to nitpick, yes: some of them could have been avoided 'somehow'. Nevertheless it is kinda if "karma" or "misfortune" or "destiny" to die in an accident.
32 infections by a deadly strand of e. coli: most certainly can be avoided. And on the other hand: not dying in a car accident is super simple: don't be there. Not dying to e. coli is not to simple, it can be in any lettuce or vegetable.
So, we have 32 cases. Agency issues warning. People stop eating the lettuce in question. Nothing happens, no one (or only the 32 die), your conclusion: stupid fear mongers, it was not that dangerous after all!
You are just like the idiots in germany who every year shout: "why do we have stupid storm warnings? Never ever anything is happening than a roof here or there destroyed!" Nevertheless we have always idiots ignoring the warnings because of fore said mantra. And about 10 die every year. And what do the survivours say: "oh! oh! no one told us it was so serious, it looked like a 'standard' warning like EVERY YEAR!" For Funk Sake: if there IS A WARNING it is SERIOUS!
Wow, you need to calm down. I didn't say the CDC are "stupid fear mongers" or that e. coli isn't dangerous; I said the numbers are small, people shouldn't panic, and the bad stuff should be avoided. I stand by that. I don't understand why you think this is connected in any sane way to prople who ignore storm warnings because "it won't happen to me" and then whine when it does happen to them.
As to accidents: if you think it's "misfortune" to join the tens of thousands of people killed in cars every year, but not to be one of 32 in a population of 320 million to eat a bad leaf of lettuce, you need to re-examine the logic that got you there.
The immune system is not primed against e. coli because e. coli are standard symbionts of the human intestine system. So? Do you grasp this? Regardless how strong your immune system is, you are always prone to get an "e. coli infection" during travels.
Read what you yourself wrote, and then digest the implication of the last two words. During travels. Natives do not get affected as much as travellers.
This is precisely because the immune system is primed to deal with the strains of pathogens that it has already encountered.
So, back to topic, what happens if the 32 patients (or more) lose both their kidneys?
That is personal outcome, not risk. The two are separate concepts. While the individual consequences is enormous to the afflicted, the risk of it happening in the first place is minuscule. The risk of being hit by a Ford F-150 in Texas is much higher, and what happens then can certainly be tragic too. That doesn't imply that Texas should necessarily ban Ford F-150s.
Organic farms ARE industrialized. They take all the lettuce and dump it into the same washers, and then get lazy about sterilizing the washers every shift.
But it's important to note the E Coli strain in these outbreaks is not from cow shit, it's human shit. Out lettuce is contaminated from the outhouses used by the pickers, if the farm is nice enough to supply outhouses. With undocumented, illegal labor there are no standard practices to follow.
Also I challenge you claim that this occurs to organic produce more frequently. I'd like to see some data on that.
That is personal outcome, not risk. The two are separate concepts. While the individual consequences is enormous to the afflicted, the risk of it happening in the first place is minuscule. The risk of being hit by a Ford F-150 in Texas is much higher, and what happens then can certainly be tragic too. That doesn't imply that Texas should necessarily ban Ford F-150s.
That is a silly argument. As people can not plan not to encounter F-150s. However they can prevent eating that lettuce and hence lower or remove the risk to be affected by that particular e. coli. So yes: that risk can be managed and from the point of view of the society aka health insurance aka hospitals, it is worth it.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Just because it is naturally occurring and has always grown in the soil, doesn't mean it is harmless to us, and isn't something we should avoid in the soil of our food crops. Do you care to make a better argument than an ad hominem attack?
I told you back in August how this all works. String lengths are quite possible and common in C++. As an earlier developer at SGI working to port and improve HP's STL I know a thing or two about this. You insist on spreading lies because you know nothing and are unwilling to admit it. I'm first in a lot of things, and I'm better than you at others.
(ZIP also copying MY style doing AC posts signing off - be original @ least - quit PROVING you WISH you were ME, lol!)... apk
What is your style? Do you have some proof that you can claim ownership to something as imaginary as a posting "style"? You're a complete nutter. It's my style now, little bitch. I own it! ... How much have I OWNED you? Your kind is such a low quality poster that it pleases me immensely that I got some of your garbage deleted.
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P.S. => You keep trying to come up with new slogans, "Cyberian Tiger". It makes you sound crazy.