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Amazon Rainforest Deforestation 'Worst in 10 Years', Says Brazil (bbc.com)

Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest in Brazil has hit its highest rate in a decade, according to official data. BBC reports: About 7,900 sq km (3,050 sq miles) of the world's largest rainforest was destroyed between August 2017 and July 2018 -- an area roughly five times the size of London. Environment Minister Edson Duarte said illegal logging was to blame. The figures come amid concerns about the policies of Brazil's newly elected president, Jair Bolsonaro. During the 2018 election campaign, Mr Bolsonaro pledged to limit fines for damaging forestry and to weaken the influence of the environmental agency. An aide for the president-elect has also announced the administration will merge the agriculture and environment ministries, which critics say could endanger the rainforest. The latest government data says most of the deforestation occurred in the states of Mato Grosso and Para, and marked a 13.7% rise over last year's figures. Mato Grosso is the top producer of grains in Brazil, and critics say expanding agriculture is also encroaching on the rainforest.

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  1. bad by mermeid007 · · Score: 2

    It's pretty bad. There are critics who say some species would literally have died out had the environmental agency not taken the limited steps it took over the past couple years

    1. Re:bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, am going to cancel my Prime membership and boycott Amazon until they stop deforesting the rain forest.

    2. Re:bad by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      illegal logging was to blame

      Time for helicopter gunships, methinks.

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    3. Re: bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations and state corruption will ensure Extinction.

  2. The process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first step in deforestation is removing the trees - so the logging companies are the initial scapegoats. Once the land is cleared, they can start raising cattle for beef sales - which is what 90% of the deforested Amazon is used for.

    Beef eaters are funding the deforestation one purchase at a time: -
    https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Article/2018/01/18/Brazilian-beef-exports-keep-on-growing

    1. Re:The process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure this is accurate. First, as any woodworker can tell you, the alleged logging isn't making Brazilian hardwood better available or less expensive. Second, as carnivores can tell you, beef isn't becoming less expensive, nor is Brazil a prime source for best quality beef.

    2. Re:The process by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure this is accurate. First, as any woodworker can tell you, the alleged logging isn't making Brazilian hardwood better available or less expensive. Second, as carnivores can tell you, beef isn't becoming less expensive

      Neither of those follows from the premise. It's all about profit, not lowering prices or improving product.

      nor is Brazil a prime source for best quality beef.

      Again: It doesn't follow that they'd be selling it to your local supplier.

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    3. Re: The process by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      Again: It doesn't follow that they'd be selling it to your local supplier.

      By far the biggest seller of rainforest beef over the years has been McDonald's. Reply Share

    4. Re:The process by WindBourne · · Score: 1
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    5. Re: The process by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Only for the McDonald in Hong Kong, China, and EU, which are the top 3 importers of Brazilian beef. And I doubt that McDonalds does that much importing in those nations.

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    6. Re:The process by Z80a · · Score: 1

      It's kinda the other way around.
      Those "farms" are just a decoy for the purpose of illegally selling expensive wood you find there. The terrain of the amazon forest is actually quite bad for planting and stuff.
      The literal criminals that do this, the "grileiros" falsify land ownership documents, cut down the trees, sells em, and just keep a shitty barely functional cattle farm due legalese.
      So, if you make the legal system actually work in brazil, you stop the grileiros and you stop the deforesting.

  3. Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Deforestation under the previous regime is now blamed on the new President who won't be seated until January 2019. Got it.

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    1. Re: Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not helping though is he

    2. Re:Tenuous connections here... by PPH · · Score: 1

      If Trump can claim credit for economic recovery under Obama ....

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    3. Re: Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      He can't do much until the afternoon of January 11, 2019... And given that most deforestation in Brazil happens because of farming, it makes sense to tie the department of the environment to the department of agriculture. The latter definitely affects the former, so have them work together to solve the problem, rather than at logger-heads and get nothing done.

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    4. Re:Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      You mean those years of ~2% GDP growth? Not the 3%+ that's happened since he was sworn in as President? Or maybe the DJIA that was ~flat from 2014 to the day after the election, rather than the ~40% run-up since then? Or maybe consumer confidence that bumped up 10% in the months right after the election? Those economic recoveries?

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    5. Re:Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with Trump or Obama. Its a different country. Of you want to race to the bottom by excusing your own parties bull shit on the last guy then go ahead. But don't bring your partisan bull shit into other countries deforestation policies. There are other countries than the US you twat.

    6. Re:Tenuous connections here... by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nowhere in that article was the incoming president blamed for past deforestation, you thick fuck. That's just you trying to make some stupid, pointless argument about nothing.

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    7. Re: Tenuous connections here... by KixWooder · · Score: 2

      Any economic growth while deficits and debt continually grow is a sham. It was a sham under Obama and its a sham under Trump.

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    8. Re: Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you link a post you made stating the same sentiment that dates back to when Obama was still in office?

      Surely your principles aren't dependent on who is merely the leader of one-third of one nation.

    9. Re:Tenuous connections here... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      The figures come amid concerns about the policies of Brazil's newly elected president, Jair Bolsonaro.

      The summary clearly implies it. It's pre emotive blame. I have no idea who this guy is but my bet is he's not popular with the media establishment because he represents the people.

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    10. Re:Tenuous connections here... by careysub · · Score: 1

      No, it "implied" nothing. It clearly stated that Bolsonaro's announced policies are likely to make this problem worse:

      During the 2018 election campaign, Mr Bolsonaro pledged to limit fines for damaging forestry and to weaken the influence of the environmental agency. An aide for the president-elect has also announced the administration will merge the agriculture and environment ministries

      This is not a strategy to fix the problem. But you seem to have a problem with people mentioning that fact.

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    11. Re: Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I spent a trillion on my credit card, I could hire a few people also...

    12. Re:Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea who this guy is
      Not buying that for a second. The guy is an on-record racist and bigot, and it's tough to miss. And his name is very easy to Google.

      But here, have some quotes:
      https://www.theguardian.com/co...

    13. Re:Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Then why did TFS spend 90% of it discussing the new President, and how it's going to be bad? It's called implication, and if you can't understand that, well, you're a bit too dense.

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    14. Re:Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Because the current policies are so successful? Maybe new policies will fix the issue...

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    15. Re:Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Reads like he'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran or the leadership in Saudi Arabia!

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    16. Re:Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is known as the 'Trump of the Tropics':
      https://www.google.com/search?...

    17. Re: Tenuous connections here... by KixWooder · · Score: 1

      Find it yourself.

      I donâ(TM)t support anyone who is okay with deficit spending.

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    18. Re:Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the new policy of reduced fines will totally fix the issue! It definitely won't makes things worse! /s

    19. Re:Tenuous connections here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you just admitted, the article is talking about "the new President, and how it's going to be bad." "Going" is future tense. Saying somebody will makes things worse in the future does not imply he's responsible for damage done in the past. In order to think the article implies that he's responsible for the past, you would have to ignore how time works. So, You'd have to be dense to think that's what the article is implying.

  4. Why would Amazon deforest their namesake? by jennatalia · · Score: 0

    You'd think they would have the resources to build it back up.

  5. At first I thought it was about Amazon book sales by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    in a year, 79% of one wildfire in California over a few days in terms of destruction of areas.

    Biomass lost should be compared and contrasted.

    Seems like a double whammy, burning, plus loss of plant life.

    Is there a carbon tax on Brazil?

  6. Re:The process:Palm Oil Industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Amazon's new danger: Brazil sets sights on palm oil
    https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jun/29/brazil-palm-oil-amazon-rainforest-deforestation-temer-farming-para-cerrado

    Brazil’s ambition to become a palm oil giant could have devastating social and environmental impacts if the move is not carefully managed, say experts
    Jorge Antonini takes a palm kernel in his hands and slices it open. Squeezing it between his fingers, the kernel oozes the oily liquid found in hundreds of everyday products, from cakes to chocolate spread.

    The scientist is standing on a government-owned farm near the Brazilian capital of Brasília. Here, he and a small group of colleagues from Embrapa, the powerful state-owned agricultural research agency, are trialling different methods of growing oil palms to improve yield.

  7. math fails you by iggymanz · · Score: 0

    so basically a square 55 miles on each side.

    that's small, tiny. put that on a map of Brazil and get some perspective, you fucking math illiterates.

    talk about mountains out of molehills

    1. Re:math fails you by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      20% of the Amazon rain forest is said to have been cleared in the past 50 years. Map that one.

      The issue is the illegal logging and clearing.

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    2. Re:math fails you by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Oops, I I guess I didn't realize that either :/

      I'll just blame it on coming from a small country :) It is indeed insignificant.

    3. Re:math fails you by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      fine then let's have article about that but not this 55 mile squared postage stamp

    4. Re:math fails you by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate poor Brazilians?

      Has your nation reserved 80% of its land as nation wilderness?

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    5. Re:math fails you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100 sq miles of solar panels would be enough to power the entire United States. It might not be as bad as it could be, but with their new extremist leader, it is only going to get worse over the next few years.

    6. Re:math fails you by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      here is your map, as you can see deforestation plummeting since 2003...
      so, no problem

      https://imgur.com/a/6wNGzsZ

  8. Populist leader who puts business 1st environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems to be a world-wide trend. What is driving it?

  9. Stab a man once, shame on you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stab a man twice, shame on him

  10. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    30+ years of "THE SKY IS FALLING!" consistently proving false, and people waking up to the realities that life really isn't that bad, we're not DOOMED!, and it sucks to have someone else dictate every part of your life. Consider it a bit of a "we want freedom" breakout. Worry about the results, not the "optics" of the action.

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  11. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are tired of nanny governments telling them what to do and taxing them in ways designed to force them to do it. So they vote.

    It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not, or whether they're right or not, or what's best for the environment, that's just the phenomena of what's happening.

  12. Meh, their choice. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    The most advanced nations of the planet mostly deforested their nations too. Europe has basically nothing left of the old growth forests outside of some small preserves. The US has a smaller percentage of forest than Brazil and two third of that is fucking timberland ...

    So lets not be sanctimonious here, they are in economic dire straits and they need the agricultural land and timber. It's not like anyone is standing up and offering them a couple trillion dollar to buy up most of the Amazon as an official preserve.

    1. Re:Meh, their choice. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The most advanced nations of the planet mostly deforested their nations too. Europe has basically nothing left of the old growth forests outside of some small preserves. The US has a smaller percentage of forest than Brazil and two third of that is fucking timberland ...

      Yes, but we're smarter now. We're not supposed to be repeating those mistakes.

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    2. Re:Meh, their choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, that's rainforest, not just "forest".

      https://www.greenfacts.org/en/forests/l-2/4-biodiversity-primary-conservation.htm#1

      Primary forests are forests where native tree species grow, where ecological processes are not significantly disturbed, and where there are no clearly visible indications of human activities. The size of primary forest is an important indicator for assessing the state of forest ecosystems even though primary forest in temperate and boreal zones may have fewer plant and animal species than some modified forests.

      An estimated 13 million km2 of forest, a little more than a third of the world’s forest area, are considered primary forest. Nearly half of all primary forest is found in South America, a quarter in North and Central America, and nearly a fifth in the Russian Federation alone.

      A number of countries reported that they have no primary forests left. These were mostly countries in Europe and in the arid zones of Africa and Western Asia.

      Though primary forests still represent a little more than a third of the world’s forest area (36.4%), in absolute terms, the area of primary forest has been shrinking by about 60 000 km2 per year over the last 15 years. While the loss has been slowing down in some regions, it has been increasing in South America and some other regions. Brazil and Indonesia alone accounted for a loss of 49 000 km2 per year during the period 2000–2005.

    3. Re:Meh, their choice. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      I don't live there and my standard of living is a lot higher than theirs. I do not vote to share the wealth of my nation with Brazil and I don't expect them to preserve their nature for my benefit.

      It's a shame, but it is what it is.

    4. Re:Meh, their choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest we invade and enlighten them?

    5. Re:Meh, their choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't live there and my standard of living is a lot higher than theirs.

      As far as I am concerned, that remains to be verified;

      Greetings from my Brazilian house.

    6. Re:Meh, their choice. by spth · · Score: 1

      Deforestation was a big problem in Europe. The wood were cut down to provide wood for building ships, and as well as for use in other industries. After a while few old forests remained.

      But the problem was noticed, and starting in Germany there was a shift to a sustainable wood economy. "Sustainability" became a big trend (initiated by Hans Carl von Carlowitz, "Silvicultura oeconomica" in 1713). Today 32% of Germany are wood, the EU average is 40%.

      Though there are exceptions. It seems sustainability never caught on in Ireland, where today only 11% of the are are woods (with their old woods cut down hundreds of years ago to build the British fleet).

  13. Bezos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What else is he guilty of?

  14. Death penalty by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    No one is above nature. If you destroy nature, you destroy us all. If you fail to understand this, your life should be taken from you.

    1. Re:Death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be destroying nature?

  15. Bullshit by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the US screwing with the economic stability of the region is the biggest problem. Want folks to care about the environment? Give them a strong enough economy they can think about something besides tomorrow's meal. The US keeps butting their heads in (it's become pretty clear our CIA was responsible for the scandal that let Brazil's right wing depose their left, then there's the crap we did in Honduras, and the entire drug war, and "Banana Republics"....). Meanwhile the US voters keep looking the other way.

    Doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing, fix the economy first and folks'll take care of the environment.

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    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing. Literally everything bad in the world is the US's fault.

      Local businesses and politicians thousands of miles away making decisions for themselves in what they believe is their own best interests which have negative impacts are blamed on the US.

      This pathetic fake news needs to be at -1 or outright banned, or is this an actual attempt to get Trump reelected?

    2. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you have to be kidding. America has not messed in that area since I was a kid (i.e. back in the 60s and 70s).
      The economy in South and Central America are their own issues. North America has been trying to help with their economy, along with China. That is why we have allowed our economy to spread around the globe.

  16. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems to be a world-wide trend. What is driving it?

    The usual: Greed and profit

    A handful of worthless people will get mega-rich, the planet (and everybody's future) will get a lot poorer.

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  17. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    -1 Stupid

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  18. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by jmccue · · Score: 1

    30+ years of "THE SKY IS FALLING!" consistently proving false

    Ever think the regs in place slowed "the sky is falling" ? But if you are young enough you may very well see it happening as these regs worldwide weakened

    I remember coal soot covering the all houses in my town once per week when the chimneys of the mills were cleaned overnight. Many kids could not breath the following day and most of these kids were kept in, and yes that was in the US. Imagine how things would be if that was allowed to continue ?

  19. Same game in the Ukraine and Germany, and Russa. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Etc.

    In the Ukraine, the people had a "choice" between Russian asshole leaders, and US/EU/NATO asshole leaders.
    The US/EU/NATO ones just happened to be open hardcore Nazis with SS rune tattoos and their leader making Hitler salutes on camera.

    In Germany, I was able to predict the actions of our local fascist party two weeks in advance for the first year of their existence. Simply by looking at what the US Tea Party did, after the same stage of their existence. It was ridiculously artificial. Literally over night, there were weird guys with US-English accents handing out flyers in all the major cities, and they instantly had 10%. One can't possibly believe that that's not artificial. (For the record: The AfD started out being pro-EU and pro-TTIP! As an extremist FDP. So radical libertarians. Only later did they become nationalist and racist and anti-EU. Since that is the common pattern that our own intelligence agency uses, to destroy anti-government groups, I suspect our BND got into there, and tried to fight it. Fucking it up massively, as always... since they now are a Nazi party.)

    Hell, even in Russia, Putin was put in power by Boris Yeltsin after all. Who himself was elected because of $300 million in campaign spending from US (via the world bank), against an opponent who only had $3 million, was called the new Stalin, and harassed during his entire campaign. (Not saying he would have been a good guy. But he definitely would have been better than the epic failure of an alcoholic that was Yeltsin. I think, at the very least, after he ran through Berlin, drunk and in his underwear, and the German secret service had to catch him, every single one of us can agree on that. :)

    The list of coup attempts of the US, on Wikipedia, had a table of contents that filled more than one page, last time I checked. (Russia wasn't exactly a good boy either. Their list is also pretty large.)

    Yet I don't hate the USA. Let alone the American people. (Or the Russians.) I see no use in hating anything. We're in this shit together, if anything.
    If we need to do one thing, it's stop letting anyone divide us!

    Dear Americans, I will always stand with you, if push comes to shove.
    Dear Russians, Germans, or whatever. I will too.
    The only thing I expect, is that you do the same.

  20. Mind you own tail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you monkeys! Leave Brazil alone!

  21. The figures come amid concerns about the policies of Brazil's newly elected president, Jair Bolsonaro.

    Bolsonaro is so evil that he traveled in time and has been causing deforestation for decades!

  22. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    30+ years of "THE SKY IS FALLING!" consistently proving false, and people waking up to the realities that life really isn't that bad, we're not DOOMED!, and it sucks to have someone else dictate every part of your life. Consider it a bit of a "we want freedom" breakout. Worry about the results, not the "optics" of the action.

    Yeah. Plus, leave Brazil alone!

  23. USA is worse than this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    8000 sq km of rainforest is approximately equivalent of 800 million tons of carbon. US mined billion tons of coal and 400 million ton of carbon equivalent in the form of oid/gas. While there is some chance that if we stop clearing rain forest, it will re-develop, there is no chance that if we stop coal/oil/gas mining, they will be replenished. So in absolute terms, in per capita terms and per capita land basis, USA fossil fuel mining released more carbon than Brazil.

  24. JUSC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The environmentalists' denial of overpopulation as the real issue puts them in the catagory of Just Another Suicide Cult.

    1. Re:JUSC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Environmentalists don't deny that that is a problem, it is just that you can't convince the religious nuts that they shouldn't be allowed to have as many kids as they want. And third world countries still are having too many kids and have poverty problems because of it. Most, if not all will support birth control, morning after pills, abortion, sex education, and female empowerment. And then you have corporations and innovations that have mitigated the effects of a bigger population so far. There hasn't been a big tipping point yet like there should have been. Peak oil, mega droughts, bee or insect die offs, energy brownouts, extreme real estate prices, lack of jobs,...

  25. Re: Populist leader who puts business 1st environm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice 1 ruskie troll!

  26. Under the previous Labour Party president by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch everyone report this as if it's under the guy who was elected less than a month ago, instead of under the Labour Party who just lost the election.

  27. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conservative trolls online and in the media pushing their agenda, lifestyle, and culture. Along with little organized opposition on the left and whenever a strong one pops up, they are either killed, jailed, or attacked in the media.

  28. He said beef eaters, that means Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep America is the worst yet again.

  29. Re:He said beef eaters, that means all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, they said that it was beef from Brazil that is causing the issues. That would mean that largest consumers of Brazilian beef are to blame. America imports very little Brazilian beef. OTOH, Hong Kong, China and Europe imports the majority of it. That makes Europe, China and Hong Kong the nations responsible for this, using your logic.

  30. do you understand global markets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://beef2live.com/story-wor...
    America is 4th highest beef consumer in the world. China 47th.
    If you look at just totals, which you seem to like to do. America is the #1 consumer of beef in the world.
    50% more than China with less than 1/4 the population.

    1. Re:do you understand global markets? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      All of which is another red herring from you Crimson Tsunami/Caffinated Bacon.
      What matters is that Brazil is clearing their forest and they are doing it because Hong Kong, China and Europe are buying so very much.

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    2. Re:do you understand global markets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What matters is that Brazil is clearing their forest. Brazil is to blame.

      They are doing it because of global demand for beef. They don't care who they sell it to, just that people want to buy it.
      The largest source of demand for beef is from America. (by far the largest)
      If you want to blame anyone but Brazil, America would have to be the one to point your fingers at.

    3. Re:do you understand global markets? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What matters is that Brazil is clearing their forest and they are doing it because Hong Kong, China and Europe are buying so very much.

      No, they are doing it because they are corrupt. They could say "no". Instead their politicians are saying "pay me". Brazil is well-overdue for a revolution.

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  31. WindBourne apologist is at it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a surprise, the American apologist once again dismisses America being the worst, and blames China for doing a small fraction of what America does.

    Why?

    1. Re:WindBourne apologist is at it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously part of some cock brothers plan to make more money off of stupid people.

  32. Re:He said beef eaters, that means all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beef is a global commodity, it matters little which piece of beef you eat. If you are demanding beef, the supply will come from somewhere.

    America eats the most beef, America causes the most demand, America is the biggest problem. (Apart from Brazil being dicks of course)

  33. That is not how global supply and demand works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is not how global supply and demand works. The totals are the relevant bits. Americans have the most demand so they are mostly to blame for the consumption.

    Take away American consumption and Brazil wouldn't be able to even profitably sell it's beef any more as the price worldwide would plummet.

  34. Lying again WindBourne, link doesn't say that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why lie and pretend the link says 100% increase when it doesn't?

    You always do this WindBourne. Show some honor for once in your life.

  35. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by dryeo · · Score: 1

    So like the bullshit over the Y2K supposed problem. All that money and effort put in and then nothing happened, what a waste of resources.

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  36. Caffeinated Bacon/Crimson Tsunami is at it again by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    America imports NO beef from Brazil. They have ZERO impact on Brazil;s meat market. OTOH, Hong kong, China, and Europe import HUGE amounts from them.
    Yet, you continue to blame America for this????? PLEASE.
    Even earlier you pointed to America's per capita eating, while ignoring the fact that Hong Kong has DOUBLE what America consumes.

    Caffeinated Bacon, you are a true idiot and a liar, to boot.

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    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
  37. It will get worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The newly elected president will put together the agriculture and environment ministries. Not to protect the environment from big agriculture, exactly the opposite. Also, the military complex that tries to deal with this stuff will be given to the USA (yes, we will be another US occupied country). So we will have less protection and less information about what is happening too.

  38. Lying WindBourne is at it again. Show proof liar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet more lies from WindBourne, Show where HongKong has double America's level?

    Beef is a global commodity. All demand influences production simpleton. America's demand is the absolute highest in the world as a total amount and top 4 per capita. Only the profoundly ignorant would think it doesn't affect global demand.

    Don't focus on that though. Show that you weren't lying first.

  39. Aren't we lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To have such a well run country in charge of a resource as valuable as the Amazon. I'm sure the Brazilians will enjoy their new president, I mean they might not get to vote for another one, but that's the joy of giving a vote to a bunch of idiots.

  40. illegal logging my buttocks! by sad_ · · Score: 1

    you're going to tell me somebody is illegally chopping up 3 times the size of London without it being noticed?
    that's not a few trees here and there they just secretly drag off, something of that size surely must be noticable and you should be able to act on it.

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    On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
  41. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Brazilian Rainforest has one of the worst soils in our country for planting or growing anything. It is NOT used to agriculture, ever, unless for its native indians. The Rainforest is deforested for using its WOOD or for extractions of its resources, including by many AMERICAN companies. So, lets not mix things here, fellas.

    The absolute majority of grains and livestock are grown and bred in the center and south region of Brasil, Mato Grosso, Goiás, Paraná.

    So, let's not hear BS from people that speak about a place they don't really know.