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Amazon Rainforest Deforestation 'Worst in 10 Years', Says Brazil (bbc.com)

Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest in Brazil has hit its highest rate in a decade, according to official data. BBC reports: About 7,900 sq km (3,050 sq miles) of the world's largest rainforest was destroyed between August 2017 and July 2018 -- an area roughly five times the size of London. Environment Minister Edson Duarte said illegal logging was to blame. The figures come amid concerns about the policies of Brazil's newly elected president, Jair Bolsonaro. During the 2018 election campaign, Mr Bolsonaro pledged to limit fines for damaging forestry and to weaken the influence of the environmental agency. An aide for the president-elect has also announced the administration will merge the agriculture and environment ministries, which critics say could endanger the rainforest. The latest government data says most of the deforestation occurred in the states of Mato Grosso and Para, and marked a 13.7% rise over last year's figures. Mato Grosso is the top producer of grains in Brazil, and critics say expanding agriculture is also encroaching on the rainforest.

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  1. bad by mermeid007 · · Score: 2

    It's pretty bad. There are critics who say some species would literally have died out had the environmental agency not taken the limited steps it took over the past couple years

    1. Re:bad by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      illegal logging was to blame

      Time for helicopter gunships, methinks.

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  2. The process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first step in deforestation is removing the trees - so the logging companies are the initial scapegoats. Once the land is cleared, they can start raising cattle for beef sales - which is what 90% of the deforested Amazon is used for.

    Beef eaters are funding the deforestation one purchase at a time: -
    https://www.globalmeatnews.com/Article/2018/01/18/Brazilian-beef-exports-keep-on-growing

    1. Re:The process by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure this is accurate. First, as any woodworker can tell you, the alleged logging isn't making Brazilian hardwood better available or less expensive. Second, as carnivores can tell you, beef isn't becoming less expensive

      Neither of those follows from the premise. It's all about profit, not lowering prices or improving product.

      nor is Brazil a prime source for best quality beef.

      Again: It doesn't follow that they'd be selling it to your local supplier.

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    2. Re: The process by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      Again: It doesn't follow that they'd be selling it to your local supplier.

      By far the biggest seller of rainforest beef over the years has been McDonald's. Reply Share

    3. Re:The process by WindBourne · · Score: 1
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    4. Re: The process by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Only for the McDonald in Hong Kong, China, and EU, which are the top 3 importers of Brazilian beef. And I doubt that McDonalds does that much importing in those nations.

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    5. Re:The process by Z80a · · Score: 1

      It's kinda the other way around.
      Those "farms" are just a decoy for the purpose of illegally selling expensive wood you find there. The terrain of the amazon forest is actually quite bad for planting and stuff.
      The literal criminals that do this, the "grileiros" falsify land ownership documents, cut down the trees, sells em, and just keep a shitty barely functional cattle farm due legalese.
      So, if you make the legal system actually work in brazil, you stop the grileiros and you stop the deforesting.

  3. Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Deforestation under the previous regime is now blamed on the new President who won't be seated until January 2019. Got it.

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    1. Re:Tenuous connections here... by PPH · · Score: 1

      If Trump can claim credit for economic recovery under Obama ....

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    2. Re: Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      He can't do much until the afternoon of January 11, 2019... And given that most deforestation in Brazil happens because of farming, it makes sense to tie the department of the environment to the department of agriculture. The latter definitely affects the former, so have them work together to solve the problem, rather than at logger-heads and get nothing done.

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    3. Re:Tenuous connections here... by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nowhere in that article was the incoming president blamed for past deforestation, you thick fuck. That's just you trying to make some stupid, pointless argument about nothing.

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    4. Re: Tenuous connections here... by KixWooder · · Score: 2

      Any economic growth while deficits and debt continually grow is a sham. It was a sham under Obama and its a sham under Trump.

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    5. Re:Tenuous connections here... by careysub · · Score: 1

      No, it "implied" nothing. It clearly stated that Bolsonaro's announced policies are likely to make this problem worse:

      During the 2018 election campaign, Mr Bolsonaro pledged to limit fines for damaging forestry and to weaken the influence of the environmental agency. An aide for the president-elect has also announced the administration will merge the agriculture and environment ministries

      This is not a strategy to fix the problem. But you seem to have a problem with people mentioning that fact.

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    6. Re:Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Because the current policies are so successful? Maybe new policies will fix the issue...

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    7. Re:Tenuous connections here... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Reads like he'd fit right in with the Mullahs in Iran or the leadership in Saudi Arabia!

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    8. Re: Tenuous connections here... by KixWooder · · Score: 1

      Find it yourself.

      I donâ(TM)t support anyone who is okay with deficit spending.

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  4. At first I thought it was about Amazon book sales by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    in a year, 79% of one wildfire in California over a few days in terms of destruction of areas.

    Biomass lost should be compared and contrasted.

    Seems like a double whammy, burning, plus loss of plant life.

    Is there a carbon tax on Brazil?

  5. Re:The process:Palm Oil Industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Amazon's new danger: Brazil sets sights on palm oil
    https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jun/29/brazil-palm-oil-amazon-rainforest-deforestation-temer-farming-para-cerrado

    Brazil’s ambition to become a palm oil giant could have devastating social and environmental impacts if the move is not carefully managed, say experts
    Jorge Antonini takes a palm kernel in his hands and slices it open. Squeezing it between his fingers, the kernel oozes the oily liquid found in hundreds of everyday products, from cakes to chocolate spread.

    The scientist is standing on a government-owned farm near the Brazilian capital of Brasília. Here, he and a small group of colleagues from Embrapa, the powerful state-owned agricultural research agency, are trialling different methods of growing oil palms to improve yield.

  6. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    30+ years of "THE SKY IS FALLING!" consistently proving false, and people waking up to the realities that life really isn't that bad, we're not DOOMED!, and it sucks to have someone else dictate every part of your life. Consider it a bit of a "we want freedom" breakout. Worry about the results, not the "optics" of the action.

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  7. Re:math fails you by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

    20% of the Amazon rain forest is said to have been cleared in the past 50 years. Map that one.

    The issue is the illegal logging and clearing.

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  8. Meh, their choice. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    The most advanced nations of the planet mostly deforested their nations too. Europe has basically nothing left of the old growth forests outside of some small preserves. The US has a smaller percentage of forest than Brazil and two third of that is fucking timberland ...

    So lets not be sanctimonious here, they are in economic dire straits and they need the agricultural land and timber. It's not like anyone is standing up and offering them a couple trillion dollar to buy up most of the Amazon as an official preserve.

    1. Re:Meh, their choice. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The most advanced nations of the planet mostly deforested their nations too. Europe has basically nothing left of the old growth forests outside of some small preserves. The US has a smaller percentage of forest than Brazil and two third of that is fucking timberland ...

      Yes, but we're smarter now. We're not supposed to be repeating those mistakes.

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    2. Re:Meh, their choice. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      I don't live there and my standard of living is a lot higher than theirs. I do not vote to share the wealth of my nation with Brazil and I don't expect them to preserve their nature for my benefit.

      It's a shame, but it is what it is.

    3. Re:Meh, their choice. by spth · · Score: 1

      Deforestation was a big problem in Europe. The wood were cut down to provide wood for building ships, and as well as for use in other industries. After a while few old forests remained.

      But the problem was noticed, and starting in Germany there was a shift to a sustainable wood economy. "Sustainability" became a big trend (initiated by Hans Carl von Carlowitz, "Silvicultura oeconomica" in 1713). Today 32% of Germany are wood, the EU average is 40%.

      Though there are exceptions. It seems sustainability never caught on in Ireland, where today only 11% of the are are woods (with their old woods cut down hundreds of years ago to build the British fleet).

  9. Re:math fails you by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    Oops, I I guess I didn't realize that either :/

    I'll just blame it on coming from a small country :) It is indeed insignificant.

  10. Death penalty by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    No one is above nature. If you destroy nature, you destroy us all. If you fail to understand this, your life should be taken from you.

  11. Bullshit by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the US screwing with the economic stability of the region is the biggest problem. Want folks to care about the environment? Give them a strong enough economy they can think about something besides tomorrow's meal. The US keeps butting their heads in (it's become pretty clear our CIA was responsible for the scandal that let Brazil's right wing depose their left, then there's the crap we did in Honduras, and the entire drug war, and "Banana Republics"....). Meanwhile the US voters keep looking the other way.

    Doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing, fix the economy first and folks'll take care of the environment.

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  12. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems to be a world-wide trend. What is driving it?

    The usual: Greed and profit

    A handful of worthless people will get mega-rich, the planet (and everybody's future) will get a lot poorer.

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  13. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    -1 Stupid

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  14. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by jmccue · · Score: 1

    30+ years of "THE SKY IS FALLING!" consistently proving false

    Ever think the regs in place slowed "the sky is falling" ? But if you are young enough you may very well see it happening as these regs worldwide weakened

    I remember coal soot covering the all houses in my town once per week when the chimneys of the mills were cleaned overnight. Many kids could not breath the following day and most of these kids were kept in, and yes that was in the US. Imagine how things would be if that was allowed to continue ?

  15. The figures come amid concerns about the policies of Brazil's newly elected president, Jair Bolsonaro.

    Bolsonaro is so evil that he traveled in time and has been causing deforestation for decades!

  16. Re:math fails you by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Why do you hate poor Brazilians?

    Has your nation reserved 80% of its land as nation wilderness?

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  17. Re:do you understand global markets? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    All of which is another red herring from you Crimson Tsunami/Caffinated Bacon.
    What matters is that Brazil is clearing their forest and they are doing it because Hong Kong, China and Europe are buying so very much.

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  18. Re:do you understand global markets? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    What matters is that Brazil is clearing their forest and they are doing it because Hong Kong, China and Europe are buying so very much.

    No, they are doing it because they are corrupt. They could say "no". Instead their politicians are saying "pay me". Brazil is well-overdue for a revolution.

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  19. Re:Populist leader who puts business 1st environme by dryeo · · Score: 1

    So like the bullshit over the Y2K supposed problem. All that money and effort put in and then nothing happened, what a waste of resources.

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  20. Re:math fails you by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    here is your map, as you can see deforestation plummeting since 2003...
    so, no problem

    https://imgur.com/a/6wNGzsZ

  21. Caffeinated Bacon/Crimson Tsunami is at it again by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    America imports NO beef from Brazil. They have ZERO impact on Brazil;s meat market. OTOH, Hong kong, China, and Europe import HUGE amounts from them.
    Yet, you continue to blame America for this????? PLEASE.
    Even earlier you pointed to America's per capita eating, while ignoring the fact that Hong Kong has DOUBLE what America consumes.

    Caffeinated Bacon, you are a true idiot and a liar, to boot.

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  22. illegal logging my buttocks! by sad_ · · Score: 1

    you're going to tell me somebody is illegally chopping up 3 times the size of London without it being noticed?
    that's not a few trees here and there they just secretly drag off, something of that size surely must be noticable and you should be able to act on it.

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