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UK Parliament Seizes Cache of Facebook Internal Papers (theguardian.com)
Long-time Slashdot reader infolation writes: The UK Parliament has used its legal powers to seize internal Facebook documents in an extraordinary attempt to hold the US social media giant to account after chief executive Mark Zuckerberg repeatedly refused to answer MPs' questions. The documents are alleged to contain revelations on data and privacy controls that led to Cambridge Analytica scandal. Damian Collins, the chair of the culture, media and sport select committee, invoked a rare parliamentary mechanism to compel the founder of a US software company, Six4Three, to hand over the documents during a business trip to London.
Sunday Facebook's head of public policy told Parliament their actions were "entirely without merit," adding that they believed the move was "more about attacking our company than it is about a credible legal claim."
Sunday Facebook's head of public policy told Parliament their actions were "entirely without merit," adding that they believed the move was "more about attacking our company than it is about a credible legal claim."
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We want you to leave now and leave FB alone now.
Yeah, it's the Daily Mail...
But still, looks like Fuckerberg might be caught in a bald-faced lie.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6426219/Parliament-seizes-Facebook-internal-papers-Mark-Zuckerbergs-refusal-answer-questions.html
The secret cache is believed to include emails between Mark Zuckerberg and other executives that shows the firm knew about flaws in its privacy policy and allowed them to be actively exploited.
MPs discovered the documents were in the possession of an American software executive visiting London on a business trip and sent an official from the House of Commons to his hotel to retrieve them.
He was given two hours to hand them over to an appointee of Kamal El-Hajji, the House of Common's serjeant-at-arms, who is responsible for the security of the parliamentary estate.
However the executive refused, and was then hauled to Parliament and warned he could face imprisonment if he did not comply.
Damian Collins, chairman of the Commons Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) Committee, told the BBC: 'We felt this [information] was highly relevant to the inquiry... and therefore we sent an order to Mr [Ted] Kramer through the serjeant at arms asking that these documents be supplied to us. Ultimately, that order was complied with.'
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If you can do things to expand the grip of the company, rather than to make legitimate improvement or contribution, it's perfectly fine to attack you just to shrink you. Personally, I'm more a fan of offering alternatives to invididuals and corporations that are still using it, but it's not like it would be "unfair" to go for the company directly. They made their bed, let them lie in it. It's like anyone asked them to shit into it beforehand, just because *they* thought they would never have to lie in it.
Sunday Facebook's head of public policy told Parliament their actions were "entirely without merit," adding that they believed the move was "more about attacking our company than it is about a credible legal claim."
This isn't about making a legal claim, at least not yet and it's certainly isn't an attack. This is an investigation into Facebook's dealings with a corporation who is paid to undermine democracy. I don't blame the UK Parliament for unusual conduct in doing this considering the bullshit Facebook has pulled already with the EU. Facebook is telling everyone to trust them and when everything goes to shit they claim it's all fixed now when it's clearly not.
Facebook only cares about Facebook and they are terrified that it's users will figure that out.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
The US government should sanction the UK as well for holding a US citizen hostage. I am under no illusion though that would happen. That said it's also the case that Six4Three should be held liable for failing to properly secure the data. Under no circumstances should such data have left the court's jurisdiction and if Six4Three's executive left the state or any other employee no orders should have been obeyed to send the data while one of these individuals were in a foreign jurisdiction.
Take no prisoners! One B-2 is all it takes to sink that island to the bottom of the Atlantic.
Every time a non-US government takes action against a predatory nominally US-based firm, dozens of "patriots" come out of the woodwork to decry how unfairly the foreigners are treating the nice US tech companies.
I don't know if these people are actually so deluded that they think Facebook holds any allegiance towards the USA (a company in which they pay virtually no tax, nor have any meaningful investment), if they are shills paid by FB, or if they are just bots meant to sow discord within the Western. But brace yourselves; here they come...
News for nerds. Uses the common definition of the word cache instead of the computer one. RIP Slashdot.
You think the UK govt. does anything without getting consent from the US Department of State first? It might even have been a Google Jigsaw employee/associate/consultant in the US DoS (they have a very cosy relationship) who gave the go ahead.
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
To me, it looks like Parliament is acting legally and democratically, and Facebook's actions are "entirely without merit". Zuckerberg is not above the law and if the USA won't bring him to heel, the UK will.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
that the brits are less incompetent at investigating powerful corps than the americans. Unlikely, but I can hope.
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I'd never "cry victim" to ne'er-do-wells (TROLLS, not all /.ers) either.
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That's exceptionally derpy.
You can simply look at who did what and tell if their diplomatic corps was involved or not.
And it was done by the UK Parliament. So not even a part of the government that would have the sort of foreign ties that would allow for things getting checked in advance.
States that are allies don't ask each other before sneezing, instead they work out how these things are supposed to happen in advance, and then when things happen, they get done by whichever side the place where stuff is happening is.
If it was their executive branch, it would still depend on who did what as to if anything got checked; for example, if city cops do something, you can be sure they didn't talk to foreign powers. If the executive branch of their federal government did something, that's the point where you can finally assume that either some checking happened, or more likely, prompt notification was given.
It's funny that you think that free speech undermines democracy, but robbing a business traveler is a good thing?
It's funny because you don't realize that the memes didn't convince anyone of anything. We're instead convinced by your despotic actions in response to silly pictures online that you should by no means be permitted to retain any hold on the power of the state.
Robbing a business traveler under color of law is exactly why we've come to permanently mistrust you and your media allies.
So Facebook only believes in its own privacy to cover things up, but not the privacy of its users?
Got it.
But it's Facebook so what the hell burn em all.
Let's see how that works out.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I know this will come as a shock to most Americans, but YES, other governments can do stuff without the US giving consent.
An excellent example of this was the country of New Zealand which in the 1980's said NO to nukes from the USA, France, UK, etc etc, and they hold this policy today.
US laws, rights, etc all finish at the US boarder.
For what?
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Simple explanation: Facebook set their preferences to Seizure of Documents = No but when there was a change of Parliament that setting was defaulted back to Seizure of Documents = Yes to improve customer delight in the Visiting UK Experience.
What part of refusing to comply with a subpoena from a sovereign government while in their country is "kidnapping"?
Value of scapegoats who can absorb some public rage is up dramatically
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I'd never "cry victim" to ne'er-do-wells (TROLLS, not all /.ers) either.
U EVEN HELPED ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... (& then realizing it you quit trying to make me look bad via what you thought were lies on hosts as "ME" IN YOUR IMPERSONATIONS of me e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... on speculative execution attack: Hosts PREVENT 'EM, joke's on you)
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US laws, rights, etc all finish at the US boarder.
I believe you meant "border".
But regardless, ask Julian Assange about those territorial limits to US law, never mind that what he and Wikileaks has done is essentially the same thing Daniel Ellsberg and the NYT did when they published the "Pentagon Papers".
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The Faceboot vs Soros stories are 99% likely to be FAKE NEWS. Everyone knows both Faceboot and Soros are big supporters of extremist Corporate Social Just-Us ideology.
The founder of an outside company had the documents because of discovery in a lawsuit he filed against Facebook. A California court said he wasn't allowed to share them. Is it a coincidence he brought them to the UK (where Parliament could force them over) and became known that they were in his possession?
His lawsuit seems to be that he lost $250k because of the Cambridge Analytica security holes, so he's probably upset about that.
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I don't know where this "it's from the Daily Mail" nonsense came from. The links are to the Guardian and CNet. The quotes are from the BBC.
Look, if a bad newspaper rips something off a good news source, that doesn't make it false. It means you should check a good news source.
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I'd never "cry victim" to ne'er-do-wells (TROLLS, not all /.ers) either.
U EVEN HELPED ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... (& then realizing it you quit trying to make me look bad via what you thought were lies on hosts as "ME" IN YOUR IMPERSONATIONS of me e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... on speculative execution attack: Hosts PREVENT 'EM, joke's on you)
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They siezed the docs NOT from somebody in the UK accused of wrongdoing, but from the PLAINTIFF in a lawsuit within the US courts and US juridiction.
Not only is this a hostile act in the diplomatic sense, essentially a form of government-sponsored IP theft, but it highlights the fact that the UK does not have what Americans take for granted: Constitutional rights in a written document that the courts uphold.
This is not going to start a fight between the US and UK governments; they are used to getting along on much bigger issues while smaller stuff like this pops up (on both sides and in both directions). What is likely to happen hereafter however, is that US companies are likely to add new language to contracts restricting executives and employees from travel to the UK where they could end up held hostage by the British Parliament in order to steal documents and intellectual property. That would ultimately be a bad thing for the UK, and its economy - directly caused by a reckless Parliament seeking a short-term goal by being underhanded and sneaky.
Brexit vote only succeeded because of Facebook and Cambridge Analytica (the thing which is called these days Emerdata -- portmanteau of "merde" and "data", perhaps?).
What is this "Sunday Facebook" and how is it related to Facebook ? Is it what "The Sunday Times" is to "The Times" ?
So he was forbidden to release these documents buttressing his court case but by lucky chance he carried them to England placing them in jeopardy to having them seized against his will by the government that just happens to have known he was there and had the documents?
(Not that I know anything about this I just wondered).
Considering the UK has been owned by the Rotschild banker family since 1911 (the year when the country went bankrupt in a battleship building frenzy vs the Prussian German Empire and the USA and its state bonds had to be bought out to prevent collapse), I would say those who hurt the jewish Facebook company will soon meet a well-deserved sad end. The world jewry saved Britain's posterior during both WW1 and WW2 by bringing US armed forced to their help, so London needs to know its place and behave humble.
Finally, someone seems to be taking steps to try to hold Facebook and Zuckerberg accountable.
It's no surprise that this move DID NOT come from the United States congress.
Hey mister neonazi. Probably best to leave the bitter sarcasm to people who have IQs above room temperature. Thick bigots don't win any friends for the cause, and you sounded really fucking dumb in that post.
Daniel Ellsberg failed to turn up after being accused of rape and was found in contempt of court? News to me.
Sometimes there's just too much concentrated crazy to even attempt a response to.
The only thing extraordinary about this is Facebook's contempt for Parliament, can you imagine the uproar if Zuckerberg refused to answer question in a senate or congressional hearings.
Facebook are in Contempt of Parliament and their position to ignore this inquiry is the only thing extraordinary here.
Did Daniel Ellsberg commit various sexual assaults and then jump bail to avoid answering those charges? No? Then it's essentially a completely different thing. But you knew that, you disingenuous hack.
Treading the alleged rape as credible at this point involves as much willful stupidity as expecting Saddam's WMD's to surface any day now.....any day now. From being cleared to leave the country by the prosecutor who heard the women's request for an STD test, to Sweden refusing to promise they wont hand Assange over to the United States, to refusing to interview Assange remotely as they've done in dozens of other cases since he sought asylum, it just goes on and on.
So pull your head out of John Brennan's ass already - you disingenuous hack.
And none of the smarmy shitweasels in the mainstream press that have been shitting all over Assange seem to have any awareness of the precedent about to be set. Outfits like NYTimes, WaPo and the Guardian in particular were all happy to take classified information from Wikileaks and publish it, collecting money and rewards in the process. But now that they've hung Assange out to dry, they're asking to be prosecuted themselves the next time they publish classified information.
I didn't write rape, I wrote "sexual assault." There's a reason for that.
And authorities only allow you to travel when they've absolutely cleared you from charges. Oh, wait... they do that all the time when people are still under investigation too.
Why should they? Have they done that before? Do they normally offer guarantees to such treatment to people that they question?
Why is Sweden so much more convenient to pull Assange from than the United Kingdom -- where he was let out on bail from December 2011 to June 2012 -- which has a "special relationship" with the UK?
Oh, by the way, you skipped the whole "bail jumping" thing... probably because that act is indefensible.
Why should they? Have they done that before? Do they normally offer to travel internationally to the people that they question?
Can't even make up your own insult. Sad.
Daniel Ellsworth didn't jump bail. Not the same. So sorry.
Translation: there's entirely enough merit and they're worried enough to lie to people about it.
Daniel Ellsberg failed to turn up after being accused of rape and was found in contempt of court? News to me.
So do you think the US will charge Assange, a foreigner to the US, with sexual assault or related crimes that were alleged to occur in a different country to a non-American, or do you think they'll prosecute him for publishing things that embarrassed the US government and exposed their corruption?
How does someone like you come to defending indefensible blatant corruption and lawlessness such as the US's actions and those of their allies regarding Assange/Wikileaks?
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I'd never "cry victim" to ne'er-do-wells (TROLLS, not all /.ers) either.
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Pedantic distinction without a difference.
Not if you believe there's merit to the allegations and you're dealing with a foreign national that has made it clear he's about to leave the country. Then they release you from custody but keep your passport.
Do you comment on many subjects at length where you have a comical level of ignorance, or just this one? In 2001, Sweden arrested a couple of men and handed them over to the CIA to be tortured. That by itself makes Assange's fear of extradition a matter of common sense, not paranoia. Since then, Obama launched more prosecutions of whisteblowers than all previous presidents combined, had one tortured for eighteen months before finding her guilty in a kangaroo court. The current Secretary of State is a big fan of torture, and the current head of the CIA is a torturer.
Hell, not only is Assange in the right to want extradition to the US blocked, Sweden is actually required to do so as a signatory to the UN Convention Against Torture, which forbids countries from extraditing to regimes that practice it. Regimes like the United States. But Sweden has ignored that treaty before - thus Assange's more than reasonable request that Sweden go on the record that this really is just about getting him to answer questions about an alleged rape.
1) See above 2) see recent case where UK courts blocked the extradition of an accused hacker to the United States because of America's brutal prison system. The same prison system that saw Manning tortured and found guilty under unlawful command influence.
Obviously, it was throwing your BS back in your face. Obviously.
You think UK police spend millions of pounds on every bail jumping case? Assange has offered to answer questions via video chat or in person if Swedish investigators come to the embassy in London. Sweden has done just that in dozens of other cases since Assange was granted asylum, so neither they nor you have any excuse here. And Assange has offered to give up his asylum and return to Sweden if they promise not to hand him over to the United States. Even if you think Assange is bluffing, Ecuador would no longer have a reason to grant him asylum.
So the allegations are so serious as to swear out an INTERPOL warrant and for the UK to spend millions of pounds keeping Assange under siege, yet Sweden has refused to make a simple promise that would have seen Assange back in their custody in a matter of days. Which tells anyone with two functioning brain cells that this isn't about an alleged rape and never was.
> The UK didn't break any UK laws.
> If you don't like their laws, don't travel to their country.
BRB, going to quote you in the story about the migrants rushing the border.
These documents were in the UK, they were seized in the UK using legal powers, these documents are relevant to the ongoing Parliamentary investigation into Facebook breach of Data Protection regulation in the Cambridge Analytics scandal. Facebook have had the opportunity to testify before this Parliamentary committee, to have their 'day in court' and have repeated snubbed Parliament. Contempt of Parliament is a very serious charge, more so than their original data breach. They thought they could ignore the law in the UK and it was necessary to prove to them they cannot, as this action has proven.
Parliament is the sovereign authority in the UK, this process is entirely legal, while this authority is typically delegated to the courts, it is still vested in Parliament. They could try to appeal this to the Supreme court but they would be laughed out.
This would be entirely legal for any sovereign authority to do the same. If Facebook faced these charges before a congressional hearing, would you be equally outraged; I suggest not.
Because American is not a defence!
Prove that. Everyone else disagrees.
Prove that. Because it's not universal, including in Europe.
Answer the questions.
Not answers to the questions. Show how Sweden is acting differently in wanting to question Assange in Sweden. Or continue to not do so. Your evasion speaks volumes.
Blah blah irrelevant blah...
First sentence: "A British computer hacker accused by the United States of causing more than $700,000 damage to U.S. military systems will not be extradited because of the high risk he could kill himself." Where's the mention of "America's brutal prison system"?
Citation needed. Desperately.
By failing to identify one iota of falsity. Kudos, dilettante internet vigilante man
Blah blah irrelevant blah. "Doing essentially the same thing Daniel Ellsberg and the NYT" would involve fighting it out in court. Not jumping bail and hiding out in a foreign embassy. That's why one man is a celebrated hero, and the other is a reviled douche on the verge of being thrown out of his chosen refuge.
No. They don't. Not even remotely close. Assange is accused of inserting his penis into a sleeping woman without consent. Which is considered rape in all countries involved plus the "hang Assange high" set.
It's utterly commonplace including examples right here in the United States. More willful stupidity isn't helping your case - arguing that the allegations are so serious that they are worth an INTERPOL warrant plus the UK spending millions of pounds to enforce, but not pulling a passport. Hell, forget willful stupidity - now you're engaging in outright willful dumbfuckery.
Answered in spades and in triplicate - dumbfuck.
Is your willful dumbfuck engine fusion-powered? Again, Sweden has interviewed dozens of suspects abroad since Assange was granted asylum, and has refused to make it clear this is nothing but rape allegations, despite prodding and years to do just that.
Translation: even your fusion-powered willful dumbfuckery ran out of talking points when confronted with a deluge of facts.
Again, do you comment at lengths on topics where you have a comical level of ignorance, or just this one? Solitary confinement is torture, particularly when used against a non-violent inmate who has shown zero signs of being a threat to herself or others.
Even more dumbfuckery. It's the entire basis for the refusal to extradite.
You can't answer the question of why the UK would spend millions of pounds on a simple bail-jumping case because you can't.
Dumb.
Fuck.
Er.
Eee.
And that's before looking at the fact that the UK was begging Sweden to maintain the prosecution of Assange instead of dropping it. Not, "hey, can you go ahead and promise this nob you wont hand him to the United States so we can hand him over to you and go home".
You're literally cited no sources. "They've interviewed dozens of suspects. Just take my word for it." Not going to happen.
Loser.