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Airlines Face Crack Down on Use of 'Exploitative' Algorithm That Splits Up Families on Flights (independent.co.uk)

Algorithms used by airlines to split up those travelling together unless they pay more to sit next to each other have been called "exploitative" by a government minister. From a report: Speaking to a parliamentary communications committee, Digital Minister Margot James described the software as "a very cynical, exploitative means... to hoodwink the general public." She added: "Some airlines have set an algorithm to identify passengers of the same surname travelling together. They've had the temerity to split the passengers up, and when the family want to travel together they are charged more." It's an issue that will be looked at by the Centre for Data Ethics and Innovation, launched by the government this week to identify and address areas where clearer guidelines and regulation are needed in how data is used. Passengers first started noticing they were being split up from their party if they didn't pay more for allocated seating in June 2017, with Ryanair most commonly associated with the practice.

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  1. Southwest cattle call by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make airline boarding more like the old Southwest system or like a commuter train. Board handicapped people first. Other than that, those who show up earlier get to board first and pick seats first.

    1. Re:Southwest cattle call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not at all. I love how Delta lets me escape the children. Let other people deal with them for 2 hours. Their cost in lost sales on the next flight is a whole lot more than the potential revenue from their extortion.

    2. Re:Southwest cattle call by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would make it worse. People would leave 1 seat gaps between them and the next person, and then when families and couples come along later they would have to ask them to move or be split up.

      Particularly for families with children being together is quite important, and benefits the other passengers as well.

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    3. Re:Southwest cattle call by gachunt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ditto -- but replace "children" with "wife".

    4. Re:Southwest cattle call by Jfetjunky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I generally agree, if you have kids, it's not necessarily anyone else's duty to make special concessions for you (it IS a CHOICE after all). This I think, crosses the line pretty obviously. It is not that it just so happen that families got split up, which I would totally expect as the larger your party gets, the harder it is to get contiguous seating. However, the claim is that families were specifically targeted and split up to exploit their known desire to sit together. It's quite obviously a predatory practice.

    5. Re:Southwest cattle call by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've flown both regularly and there's interesting trade-offs to both systems. Both encourage you to pay more for a better seat - either with early bird boarding on SWA or pay for a seat selection. SWA has only the "one class" of seating whereas other airlines like Delta have first class and now "comfort" seating classes which require additional upcharges along with the seat choice upcharge. (Although it gets further complicated because the seat selection may be included in the price of the ticket depending on what ticket class you purchase.
      With Delta I discovered it made no sense for me to be at the boarding gate until I got the text that boarding had begun because a> my seat was always going to be there and b> boarding is stupidly slow so being at the gate ahead of time meant standing in line for 20 minutes while platinum medallion super club business class gets to board first (but not before those with small children!) (and heaven forbid your plane is there but hasn't been prepped yet so boarding time is delayed.)
      Southwest on the other hand bakes "encouragement to board" into the process. You pay for early bird boarding to get a better seat so you HAVE to be at the boarding gate and in the line on time to get the seat (but not before those with small children!). Even if you don't pay for the earlybird boarding you still have to be ready to line up for the other boarding groups or risk ending up in a middle seat. Boarding tends to just be faster that way but at the expense of you having to take a more active involvement.

    6. Re:Southwest cattle call by PPH · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The first flight I ever took as a kid was when I was 6 years old. Back during Eisenhower's presidency. Years later my parents told me that when they purchased my ticket, the airline asked if I was well behaved. They reserved the right to refuse to carry small children due to the 'discomfort' that they might cause other passengers. I was OK and got to spend 10 minutes in the cockpit during the flight.

      [Sigh] Those were the good old days.

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    7. Re:Southwest cattle call by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ditto -- but replace "children" with "wife".

      I'll be happy to take your wife off your hands for a couple of hours.

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    8. Re:Southwest cattle call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you like to watch gladiator movies, Timmy?

    9. Re:Southwest cattle call by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not just a matter of convenience, "togetherness", and personal desire to keep parents near their children aboard an aircraft. There's a safety issue in letting kids sit next to their parents. If something bad happens aboard the aircraft, a child will instinctively seek out his or her parent for assistance. Having a bunch of panicked kids running around the plane looking for Mom or Dad, or a bunch of panicked adults looking for their children, can screw up attempts to deal with the situation and/or to evacuate the aircraft.

      If nothing else, the closer a parent is to their child, the quicker they can take appropriate action if a child starts acting frightened, bored, noisy, or rambunctious in a way that's likely to cause distress to other passengers.

    10. Re: Southwest cattle call by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, that's why I never let pregnant women sit in the bus. It was their choice after all.

      Not necessarily. :(

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    11. Re: Southwest cattle call by dgatwood · · Score: 3

      The problem, of course, is that some pencil-pusher MBA at the airlines realized that they could milk a few dollars more from customers if they charged a fee for checked bags. And suddenly, everybody is carrying on bags that they could have easily checked.

      This completely broken system results in the last several rows having to gate-check their bags anyway (for free) because there isn't room. So instead of letting people who aren't in a hurry check their bags, ensuring adequate space for people who are, we now have a system in which folks carrying expensive camera gear have to pay extra for earlier boarding, or else they incur thousands of dollars in damage just so that somebody else can save the $30 checked bag fee for a bag that contains only clothes.

      This "profit über alles" crap is beyond f**ked up.

      It's all a scam. The entire airline system is deliberately designed to bilk customers out of every penny that they will pay. And the result is that flying is becoming more and more hated by anyone who has to do it on a regular basis. Mark my words, the day that high-speed rail becomes a reality, the airline industry will die a horrible death, because at this point, the only reason people still put up with air travel at all is because they have no choice.

      Hearing that airlines are deliberately screwing over families to raise profits doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that they sacrifice babies on an altar beneath the airport to ensure safe travels. I really can't think of any level of evil that I would put past the people who run airlines these days, because every time I think they couldn't get more monstrous, they prove me wrong. Just saying.

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  2. "Crack Down"-Should be Forced Rebates & Penalt by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously. This is just about the most abusive use of public information that I can imagine.

    "Cracking Down" doesn't even approach what needs to be done - the airlines identified should be forced to list all family groups who have travelled together since, I dunno, 1947 and pay back (with interest) all the exploited families.

    Anybody not complying should be subjected to something equal to or or worse than public hanging.

    Identification of airlines and, perhaps, public shaming just isn't appropriate here.

  3. Re:I have always picked my seat by CrankyFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Things have been changing over the last few years; in general, the trend has been to find ways to offer a lower level of service for less money than what we used to think of as the basic Economy Class fare. This manifests in what some airlines sometimes call "Basic Economy," which has more restrictions and limitations on it than what you think of as Economy. Typically, the two things you lose in Basic Economy are A) The ability to bring on a full-sized carry-on (so everything you bring onboard has to fit under the seat in front of you) and B) Assigned seating.

  4. Profitable business [Re:"Crack Down"-Should be...] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    So what you are saying is that the airlines arent losing enough money? There will be plenty of posts ignoring the fact that airlines lose money.

    Except airlines aren't losing money. See: Airlines had second-most profitable year ever in 2017

      2017 Net Profit: 15.5 billion

      IATA - Another Strong Year for Airline Profits in 2017

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  5. Re:1st step: Name and shame by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

    Found the source of the stats (on page 20):

    http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/do...

    Among the airlines in the survey, Ryanair is the worst offender by far, Emirates and Virgin Atlantic are also splitting up families more than average. The lowest were TUI and Flybe.

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  6. Ryanair... by redbeardcanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course this would be Ryanair, the subway of air travel. I can't wait until they actually book standing room only and have people pushing in backwards so the doors can close.

  7. We need an Airline Policy Standards Act by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fixing intentional family split-ups should be part of a bill that gets rid of a number of abusive airline policies that passengers can do nothing about:

    1. Fees shall be for features of a flight that are optional, such as meals or a second checked bag, rather than for items that you need on every flight. There shall be no extortionate fees for fixing a name typo or making a schedule change months ahead of time.

    2. There shall be a minimum seat width and pitch, as determined by flight safety professionals;

    3. All tickets which are non-refundable shall be transferable, with the cost limited to the above non-extortionate name change fee. A seat sold is a seat for which revenue has already been collected. Airlines will discover that no longer having to deal with special exceptions and notes from doctors is well worth the lost revenue from selling the same seat twice.

    4. The auction buyback system for oversells shall not be capped or limited in any way. If you really want a seat for that deadheading crew member at the last minute, you have to find a pax willing to give up his seat at the market price.

    5. For any ejection or denied-boarding of a passenger not coming under the oversell rule, the carrier must file a report with the FAA detailing the situation and attaching signed statements by all crew and passengers involved. No more ejecting a passenger because "somebody felt uneasy about this person."

    6. Passengers shall have unlimited right to film or record confrontations that occur during a flight, with the stipulation that a copy be submitted as evidence with any report the airline has to file in (5).

    7. Carriers shall be required to use real math, rather than 'airline math' in calculating rebates for downgrades from higher classes of service that a passenger paid for but which cannot be provided at flight time.

    The effect of such a set of minimum service standards will be to push revenue from extra fees, etc. into the base fare. Good, because this is the one number on which airlines compete. The reason for policies like charging people $5000 for fixing a name typo is to pull standard features of a flight out of the base fare, making it look artificially low. If a decently hu,mane level of service adds 20% or so to the base, then we will still be better off. Less air rage and fewer instances of "I'll never fly with you again!"

  8. Re:Moral by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Corporations don't have to be moral. Too bad for everyone.

    Corporations don't have to exist either. They are a legal fiction, not a guaranteed right.