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Trump Says He Doesn't Believe Government Climate Report Finding in a New Low (apnews.com)

President Donald Trump on Monday rejected a central conclusion of a dire report on the economic costs of climate change released by his own administration. Associated Press reports: But economists said the National Climate Assessment's warning of hundreds of billions of dollars a year in global warming costs is pretty much on the money. Just look at last year with Hurricanes Harvey, Maria and Irma, they said. Those three 2017 storms caused at least $265 billion in damage, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The climate report, quietly unveiled Friday, warned that natural disasters are worsening in the United States because of global warming. It said warming-charged extremes "have already become more frequent, intense, widespread or of long duration." The report noted the last few years have smashed U.S. records for damaging weather, costing nearly $400 billion since 2015.

"The potential for losses in some sectors could reach hundreds of billions of dollars per year by the end of this century," the report said. It added that if emissions of heat-trapping gases continue at current levels, labor costs in outdoor industries during heat waves could cost $155 billion in lost wages per year by 2090. The president said he read some of the report and "it's fine" but not the part about the devastating economic impact. "I don't believe it," Trump said, adding that if "every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good."

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  1. For skeptics and "believers" alike... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In order to avoid looking foolish, it would be a good idea to familiarize oneself with the work of Peter Hadfield, aka Potholer54. He knocks down the common myths and misconceptions on both sides of the issue, often with good humor, and always with peer-reviewed science. Well worth the time.

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  2. Sticking your fingers in your ears... by maroberts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and going "La la la, I can't hear you" is not a good presidential style.

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    1. Re:Sticking your fingers in your ears... by infolation · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Except Trump, a self-confessed germophobe, equates the cleanliness of a country to its effect on climate change:

      every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good

  3. Growing Expenditures by mentil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those three 2017 storms caused at least $265 billion in damage,

    The broken window sector of the economy is going to be Yuge! Remember: lost wages means lower unemployment figures! /s

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    1. Re:Growing Expenditures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      While inflation and density of population both increase the damage done from storms, there is a simple way to figure if the damage is actually going up on a inflation corrected, population density corrected scale.

      To be honest, some one else has done most of the work for you.

      Homeowners Insurance rates.

      Since the number of people in an area, increases the number of insurance plans in that same risk pool, it works out well to a per capita number, and it's pretty easy to correct for inflation... and what you'll find is that homeowners insurance rates are rising much faster than inflation in at risk areas for large scale disasters...

      Similar things are happening for auto insurance for things like covering hail damage...

  4. Re:2nd amendment rights by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're asking for the President of the United States to be assassinated. Given that there are a number of constitutional and legal means to dump him, I think that would be a low - although not a new one.

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  5. Re:Of course it's not a new low by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the government that enslaved million of black Africans for profit.

    As much of a dick Trump is you have to separate government from country, you can't really lay that one on him.

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  6. Re:Here's Trump by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republican idiot is republican idiot is ... waiting for 2019 to watch the Trump insane asylum get ... TRUMPED!

    It's more like Trump having Trumpified the Republican party. He commands the fanatical loyalty of a portion of the party that is sufficiently large for the Republican establishment having to suck up to him and appease his followers because they need that portion of the electorate to win elections. In order to win Trump's support they have to follow him in a headlong charge towards the right wing nationalist fringe and cater to his narcissistic bullshit. The last few Republicans that looked moderate because the rest of the party had moved so far to the right have now retired or been primaried and in those cases where they were replaced by Republicans in the recent elections those Republicans are universally hard core Trumkins. So just face it, there is no Republican party anymore. There are two US political parties, the 'Democrats' and the 'Cult of Trump'. I can only imagine how frustrating all of this is to Mitch McConnell. Just when he thought he had secured congressional majorities for the Republicans on the back of the minority vote using gerrymandering, voter suppression, disenfranchisement and intimidation, along comes Trump and basically hijacks the party. I bet it is still nothing compared to how galling it is for old Mitch to have to make an ass of himself in public by kissing Trump's posterior and heaping sycophantic praise on Trump as if he is some oriental god-emperor.

  7. Re:Here's Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From McConnell's perpspetive he ain't doing too bad : he got what he wanted. Conservative judges filling all the vacanices across the country, 2 (and maybe more) ultra conservative supreme court justices and THE FUCKING NEW TAX CODE (ie stealing from the poor to appease the rich). He has no problem kissing Trump's ass, doing him a blowjob or worse.

  8. Re:2nd amendment rights by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're asking for the President of the United States to be assassinated. Given that there are a number of constitutional and legal means to dump him, I think that would be a low - although not a new one.

    There's Trump quote for every occasion. Back in 2016 he said this about Hillary

    “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

    source (first link on google search)

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  9. Re:Here's Trump by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From McConnell's perpspetive he ain't doing too bad : he got what he wanted. Conservative judges filling all the vacanices across the country, 2 (and maybe more) ultra conservative supreme court justices and THE FUCKING NEW TAX CODE (ie stealing from the poor to appease the rich). He has no problem kissing Trump's ass, doing him a blowjob or worse.

    Yes, but on a purely personal level McConnell deeply despises Trump, you can tell when he talks about the guy, no matter how hard he tries to hide it it always shines through. Kowtowing to Trump like the Jade Emperor of China and heaping ridiculous praise on Trump is clearly deeply galling to old Mitch. He'll do it alright, but that does not mean he likes it. For Mitch kowtowing to Trump is probably much like cleaning the toilet is to the rest of us, we don't like doing it but not cleaning the toilet is worse. Mitch, of course, has a servant who cleans his toilets for him, but making an ass of himself by kowtowing to Trump and flattering him in public is the one job Mitch can't outsource.

  10. Re:Explain 10+ years with no hurricanes, then by riverat1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    And that bullshit "More hurricanes is because of global warming! And so is the ten years WITHOUT a hurricane!

    What 10 years without a hurricane. Just because they didn't hit the CONUS doesn't mean there weren't any hurricanes.

    Warm winters? Global warming!

    Cold winters? That's global warming too!

    You suffer from short term thinking. If you want to understand global warming/climate change you need to look at averages over at least 20 year periods and probably a bit longer. What happens in any one or two year period is just natural variability. The noise of natural variability is great enough to overcome the signal of global warming on any short term basis.

  11. Re: Of course it's not a new low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Over 85% of slave traders were Muslim.

    Only 1.2% of Americans owned slaves at the height of the slave industry in the Americas.

  12. Re:2nd amendment rights by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still can't believe how messed up it is, that a guy like Donald Trump got elected president of the United States of America .

    A man who boasts about grabbing pussies of models, because as the boss, he can get away with it. And who basically insinuated that someone assassinate his political opponent.
    It is a freakish thing to happen. Fucking nuts is what it is. Somewhat damaged my belief in the democratic process and ordinary people (the electorate) in general.

  13. Or the UN climate report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd pretty much stick to the UN climate report. It runs a bunch of scenarios, and seems to be a bit on the conservative side.

    False equivalence arguments are a common deception strategy. It lets someone put out a false extreme as if it carries equal weight to the reasoned (usually dull middle of the road) explanation. Then the false equivalence compares them both as if they were equally valid, and pretends to be the measured middle ground. It isn't.

    This "false extreme" is the Fox News game. Take children from their parents at the border, becomes "children saved from human traffickers pretending to be their parents". Wanting healthcare from children and old people become "socialist healthcare to overload hospitals and make people die"..... Kashoggi, the journalist the Saudi Prince tortured live on WhatsApp becomes an "ISIS terrorist" that the Saudi's saved USA from.

    1. Re:Or the UN climate report by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, we all know that Al Gore and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez personally wrote every word of the UN report.

      Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to claim that the UN climate report, whose authors are on it, was written by politicians, presumably just because the UN, as a neutral agency that provides independent research and arbitration to ensure the world's governments do not make stupid, dangerous, decisions due to politics, commissioned it?

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  14. Trumpity Trump Trump by drewlake2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you really expect someone who lost money owning a casino to have anything worth while to contribute?

    1. Re:Trumpity Trump Trump by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can you really expect someone who lost money owning a casino

      Nonsense, Trump lost money owning three casinos.

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  15. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the government that enslaved million of black Africans for profit.

    A trade which still exists today in the Middle East:
    https://www.theguardian.com/gl...

  16. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, the black africans were enslaved by other black africans and then sold to muslims, who sold them to portuguese slavers, who brought them to the Americas and sold them there.

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  17. Re: Of course it's not a new low by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be fair the only reason Trump wasn't a slave trader is because he hadn't been born yet.

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  18. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Gilgaron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we're going to be pedantic, we could consider that their descendants were enslaved locally upon birth in most cases.

  19. Re:Here's Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Tax changes are responsible for GDP growth and great unemployment numbers we have enjoyed over the last few months. The tax "cuts" have predictably caused in increase in tax revenue due to the increase in economic activity, upping employment, raising household incomes and otherwise causing the "poor" to have more money as more of them have jobs who where unemployed and raising the pay of those who already where working.

    The tax cuts reduced revenue. Deficits have doubled.

    There was an economic benefit due to the fiscal stimulus- but it didn't cause tax receipts to rise by so much that the tax cuts paid for themselves. It never does.

    "Voodoo economics" George Bush Snr called it. We are not at the top of the Laffer curve. We are never at the top of the Laffer curve. Tax cuts are a stimulus the economy didn't need and when a recession comes (and it will) the increased defecits will reduce the ability of the government then in power to enact a fiscal stimulus package when it is actually needed.

    With unemployment so low there was no need for the tax cuts.

    Also the benefits went to the rich. I know it, you know know it everyone knows it.

  20. Re:Nice Snuck Premise by shilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hurricanes are not a function of global warming -- they've been occurring at least since 1970

    The ability of some people to out-stupid themselves on the internet never ceases to amaze me.

  21. Re:2nd amendment rights by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump is a result of many things.

    Politics in the US is incredibly polarized. Discontent made it ripe for a populist. Politics is dominated by money. The internet enabled fake news in a way people were unprepared for. Clinton had too much baggage. A lot of the progress made lately on things like same-sex marriage and rights was done via legal process rather than as a reflection of widespread changes in attitudes in every state. The Democrats were too concerned with doing the right thing instead of winning.

    These things always correct themselves eventually, it's just a question of how long and how much pain.

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  22. Re:2nd amendment rights by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only if you weren't paying attention. About a third of the US population has been "deplorable" for a long time. After WW2, a newspaper poll found that 1/3 of Americans wanted to genocide the Japanese.

    Trump came along at exactly the right time for a deplorable shitstain to take power - the electoral playing field had been tilted heavily in Republicans' favor, he had a historically unpopular opponent to defeat who was also being targeted by a foreign interference campaign, the deplorables were absolutely fuming after 8 years of a black President, and finally the straw that broke the camel's back, an October surprise that took his opponent down a peg.

    Combined, it was just enough for the deplorables to squeak through an electoral victory with a popular vote loss. It was only a matter of time before coddling these hate-filled garbage people would bite America in the ass, and the clock finally ran out.

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  23. Re:Here's Trump by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet, deficits are projected to be over a trillion next year...and the next...and the next...I guess short term sugar highs are enough to justify the tax cuts in your book.

  24. Re:2nd amendment rights by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is only president because the elections aren't democratic enough.

    But nevertheless it's extremely concerning that 63 million people thought that a racist, sexist senile fraud of a "businessman" was the best person to lead the country.

  25. Re:2nd amendment rights by swilver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Democracy is long dead in America. You must be pretty brain washed to consider a two party system, with no real way of ever getting a third party in power, a democracy.

    What you have is a system whereby the party best at slandering the other wins. Blaming the current party in power for current problems is a big part of this, which is why we see a regular switch between the two parties in power. As both parties are in the pocket of the rich, good luck ever changing something that will benefit the general public.

  26. Re:2nd amendment rights by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is a result of many things.

    Just because deplorables voted for Trump doesn't make them non-persons, it's not appropriate to call them things.

    When you boil down the sauce, the primary reason Trump got elected is our garbage education system which doesn't teach critical thinking. It's been deliberately compromised from the start, since it's based on a German system designed to produce obedient factory workers and soldiers. And it's been deliberately compromised even more since, to guarantee the flow of low-information voters.

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  27. Re:2nd amendment rights by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you hang around your average people in small towns long enough, it's really not hard to see why he won.

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  28. Re:Here's Trump by sinij · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He'll do it alright, but that does not mean he likes it. For Mitch kowtowing to Trump is probably much like cleaning the toilet is to the rest of us, we don't like doing it but not cleaning the toilet is worse.

    It doesn't really make any difference what he thinks in private, he is a public servant and his public actions - unequivocal support of Trump - speak for themselves. In supporting Trump he shares responsibility for undermining norms and causing severe damage to US reputation and international standing.

    If there was a crime "Moral negligence causing decline of USA", then Mitch McConnell would be guilty as a co-conspirator.

  29. The Sacrifice by cahuenga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the Republican establishment having to suck up to him and appease his followers because they need that portion of the electorate to win elections.

    So what you are saying is that the republican establishment is happy to sacrifice the country and wipe their asses with the constitution in order to maintain power.

    If that was a defense of the republican party I'm not seeing it.

  30. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Barsteward · · Score: 5, Informative

    " The first slave owner in the US and the one who fought a lengthy legal battle through the British colonial courts to make slavery legal was a black tobacco farmer named Anthony Johnson."

    Not quite correct. He was not the first slave owner in the US but he was one of the first people in Virginia to have his right to own a slave legally recognised. Snopes and Wikipedia seem to be on the same page with this explanation.
    "Anthony Johnson was not the first slave owner in American history, but he was, according to historians, among the first to have his lifetime ownership of a servant legally sanctioned by a court. A former indentured servant himself, Anthony Johnson was a “free negro” who owned a 250-acre farm in Virginia during the 1650s, with five indentured servants under contract to him. One of them, a black man named John Casor, claimed that his term of service had expired years earlier and Johnson was holding him illegally. In 1654, a civil court found that Johnson in fact owned Casor’s services for life, an outcome historian R Halliburton Jr. calls “one of the first known legal sanctions of slavery — other than as a punishment for crime.”"

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  31. Re: Here's Trump by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no economic boom dumbshit. The defecit has more than doubled under Trump and he is just getting started destroying the economy. It will take a decade to recover from the damage he has already caused. We may *never* recover our reputation with the world.

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  32. Re:Of course it's not a new low by jbengt · · Score: 4, Informative
    I have to disagree with at least a couple of things you said:

    5) The whole "Nixon's Southern Strategy" is a Democrat propaganda lie. Out of all the Southern Dixie-crats only *two* switched Party from Democrat to Republican, Strom Thurmond and one other I don't recall ATM.

    Of course it's hard for a politician to switch parties, but the Nixon strategy was about voters switching. Nixon was documented talking about the strategy; and to a large extent, it worked.

    7) There were actually far more Irish slaves than African slaves . . .

    Indentured servitude is not another word for slavery.


    BTW, who would have thought a Climate Change post on Slashdot would devolve into argumentative threads about slavery?

  33. Re:Of course it's not a new low by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A trade which still exists today in the Middle East:

    It still exists here. Once someone is declared a felon, it's legal to enslave them. For example, paying them $1-2/day to fight fires because the wealthy don't want to pay their fair share of taxes so we can't afford to hire enough firefighters.

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  34. Shove your racist "Red pill" bullshit by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Red pill"? go back to 4 Chan, you racist troll.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    All of the garbage you're spewing is thinly veiled white supremacist propaganda bullshit.

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  35. Re:2nd amendment rights by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's the first pro-gay-marriage President

    LMAO take a look at Trump's "pro-gay-marriage" record:

    https://www.vox.com/identities...

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  36. Re:2nd amendment rights by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Informative

    whats amazing is that you people keep saying the exact same thing you have said for 3 years and think THIS TIME!!!! the insults will get people to agree with you

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  37. Re:Of course it's not a new low by werepants · · Score: 4, Informative

    The whole "Nixon's Southern Strategy" is a Democrat propaganda lie. Out of all the Southern Dixie-crats only *two* switched Party from Democrat to Republican, Strom Thurmond and one other I don't recall ATM.

    Bullshit. Was Nixon pushing to end anti-segregation busing, or not? It happened, it was a way to appeal to pro-segregation racists without openly using racial slurs. Just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean they didn't happen.

    And on the party switch: the number of *prominent* politicians that formally switched parties was three: Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and Mills E. Godwin. Many others, though, just started supporting republicans nationally, while continuing to call themselves democrats in local politics. And what really matters here is the voters - the South turned from blue to red, and black voters switched from red to blue.

    There were actually far more Irish slaves than African slaves, and the Irish slaves were far cheaper and treated far worse as they were much more expendable than expensive African slaves. Where are the Irish-American "Affirmative Action" programs?

    First question: are you purposefully lying to further your partisan agenda, or are you just that ignorant? The Irish were indentured servants, not slaves. Two key differences: 1. Servitude is temporary and 2. Servitude is not heriditary (your kids don't become someone else's property the moment they are born). Take your own red pill before spouting more lies.

  38. Re: Here's Trump by tbannist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's because doubling the national debt *was* the fiscally responsible action for Obama. Why? Because the economy was in free-fall in the worse recession since the 1930s. The previous president had cut taxes, started 2 wars and increased entitlements (and increased the deficit before the recession started). Letting the economy bottom out naturally would have increased the debt more than trying to cushion it, and would have been a much worse result for Americans (less employment and more hardship). After dealing with the recession, the deficit shrank every year under Obama.

    The fiscally responsible thing to do is run a deficit during a recession, and to cut the deficit until you run a surplus in good years. Trump is increasing the deficit during the good years, and that's fiscally irresponsible.

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  39. Re: Of course it's not a new low by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I dunno man, importing foreigners for labour seems to be more of a democrat thing. They love to talk about how we can bring in foreigners to "do jobs Americans won't do".

    Importing foreign labor is a business thing. Business want to minimize their payroll costs. You, with your high standard of living and resistance to exploitation, are not what they are looking for.

    My uncle, a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, owns a farm in Pennsylvania which covers about 1000 acres. He has Mexicans come up on temporary work visas to work his farm. I asked him why he doesn't hire Americans. He said that they don't want to show up to work at 5:00 in the morning, or they show up drunk, or hungover, or they just blow off shifts. The Mexicans do none of that. They are reliable and work hard.

    Americans really don't want to do these jobs. At least not for the pay. And wages are constricted because my uncle has to sell on the open market. So his prices and therefore costs have to remain competitive. Americans just aren't desperate enough. That's not a bad thing, but it does mean they won't wake up at 4:30 in the morning to do hard work. They'd rather leave that to the Mexicans.

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