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China is Planning To Build a Deep Sea Base For Unmanned Submarine Science and Defense Operations in the South China Sea (scmp.com)

Urged by China President Xi Jinping to dare to do something that has never been done before, scientists say challenges could give China huge technology lead. From a report: China is planning to build a deep sea base for unmanned submarine science and defence operations in the South China Sea, a centre that might become the first artificial intelligence colony on Earth, officials and scientists involved in the plan said. The project -- named in part after Hades, the underworld of Greek mythology -- was launched at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing this month after a visit to a deep sea research institute at Sanya, Hainan province, by Chinese President Xi Jinping in April.

Xi urged the scientists and engineers to dare to do something that has never been done before. "There is no road in the deep sea, we do not need to chase [after other countries], we are the road," he said. The idea of an outpost for deep sea exploration has been a favourite of scientists, engineers and fiction writers for hundreds of years, while the Greek allegory of Atlantis has inspired many "city beneath the sea" stories. The Hadal zone that would be home to the base is the deepest part of an ocean -- typically a V-shape abyss -- at a depth of 6,000 to 11,000 metres (19,685 to 36,100 feet). The project will cost Chinese taxpayers 1.1 billion yuan (US$160 million), the scientists said. That is half as much again as the cost of the FAST radio telescope -- the world's largest -- in Guizhou province, southwest China.

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  1. Dick measuring contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We land a probe on Mars, they feel the need to announce plans for some kind of imaginary underwater base. This sounds ridiculous... no humans, but AI robots? I guess I don't see the point, other than to give the AI robots a home base to plot their takeover, a base inaccessible to humanity. If it's just robots, why even try to keep it at standard pressure. Just make it a platform, robots should be able to function at many times 1 atm. When this implodes, we'll never know why or what went wrong. This is just ridiculous.

    1. Re:Dick measuring contest by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Two very different projects and purposes that do not really deserve the comparison. Otoh, while some are obsessed with tariffs, the China project seems rather innovative and ambitious.

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    2. Re:Dick measuring contest by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Science and engineering innovation is a good thing, Even it is on the backs of Political one-up.

      The Space Race in the the 1960's and 1970's really helped bring science into a new age. Helping urge the computer revolution and the Internet too. ICBM was a risk to the communication infrastructure so a new network designed to reroute was made in case a particular point was destroyed.

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    3. Re:Dick measuring contest by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      The US probably has no type of weapon which could touch such a base. We'd have to resort to depth charges.

    4. Re:Dick measuring contest by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      Which just happens to be an incredibly effective weapon. It is literally a very large hand grenade, so "close" does count.

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    5. Re:Dick measuring contest by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Which just happens to be an incredibly effective weapon.

      Especially against a stationary target.

    6. Re:Dick measuring contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The base itself won't give them an edge in combat - precisely for that reason.

      It is the spin-off tech that is important. If they get this going, they will routinely build subs that go to great depths. Which is useful for a navy. For the civilian economy, deep sea mining is interesting. If they can get mass-produced vessels & robots that work at such depths. Which this sort of project will provide.

      The moon landing had no direct military importance - the tech developed to go there certainly had.

    7. Re: Dick measuring contest by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Otoh, while some are obsessed with tariffs, the China project seems rather innovative and ambitious.

      Gibberish much?

    8. Re:Dick measuring contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If China can build a deep ocean base the US can certainly build something to blow it up. It's much easier to destroy something than build something. A China has a history of announcing grandiose plans but never delivering on their promises. The real trick is not creating a deep sea base it is creating it for only $160 million dollars. That BS figure may keep the tax payors from raising a fuss but it is certainly not a realistic cost. The Chinese have spent more on their Muslim re-education centers tan that. The only way China could keep the cost of building a sea base that low would be for the US to build some deep sea bases first and then China can steal the plans and cut those pesky R&D costs down to size. After all that is SOP for China in regards to every other technological achievement they claim.

    9. Re:Dick measuring contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good catch! There is may be another reason for this article. They want to tarn military activities in South China Sea as science project.
      They can later argue that they need all this military ships and submarines there to build deep sea base and USA will destroy. it.
      One can see some comments here that try to direct discussion this way.

  2. $160 milion? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is pretty impressive you can build a sea base for $160 million. In the US that wouldn't even pay for the wetsuits.

    1. Re: $160 milion? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      So does AC.

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    2. Re:$160 milion? by sinij · · Score: 0

      You also have to consider how leaky would Made in China deep sea base would be. Last but not least, it would probably end up sending out spam as a part of a botnet in a short order.

    3. Re:$160 milion? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Lower cost of living. If you were to visit china with a hundred US dollars, you can get a lot more purchasing power from that.

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    4. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention - what is even meant by some of these sentences?

      “a colony ... for robotic residents with artificial intelligence,” said a scientist who has taken part in the project. “The technology can change the world.”

      Colony ? Robotic residents ? Is this a jetsons situation with robotic french maids ? Or more likely a single armed robot to take the dirt sample off an incoming sub, put it in an analyzer, and then throw the sample out ?

      AI? We all know how skeptical we are of that. Let's get some AI on the surface before you worry about it at the bottom of an ocean. Guessing we mean "programs" here.

      etc.

    5. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but most of these are sunk costs.

    6. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is pretty impressive you can build a sea base for $160 million. In the US that wouldn't even pay for the wetsuits.

      It doesn't actually have to work. It's like planting a flag on a hill and calling it yours.

      No science is being done here.

    7. Re:$160 milion? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Yes, but most of these are sunk costs.

      They're paying for it with liquid assets.

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    8. Re:$160 milion? by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 1

      But we have compliance...

      As they say Compliance Create Jobs.

    9. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it would. Two of them!

    10. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily true. Usually when it comes to actual high tech things, you can't simply measure using PPP, but have to use the nominal conversion rate.

    11. Re: $160 milion? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Nah, they only need to buy $160 million worth of suicide prevention nets, the slaves will do the rest.

    12. Re:$160 milion? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Yes, but most of these are sunk costs.

      They're paying for it with liquid assets.

      Most of their initial costs will be fluid.

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    13. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux Tech Tips did a video where he walked around a massive electronics mall and built a PC for his video editor. Granted, he started with Moosebucks rather than Burger Certificates, but he ended up paying more in the heart of China than he would have back home just ordering from Newegg.

    14. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can order their wetsuits from China for a much cheaper cost and zero shipping.

    15. Re:$160 milion? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Most of their initial costs will be fluid.

      If they run into trouble I'm sure they will try floating the stock.

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    16. Re:$160 milion? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      we'd spend 3x that much on a feasibility study for the environmental impact study.

    17. Re:$160 milion? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      That is pretty impressive you can build a sea base for $160 million. In the US that wouldn't even pay for the wetsuits.

      And the US wouldn't kill anyone in the process either or afterwards from shoddy construction.

      You can accomplish a lot when you don't put much value on human life.

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    18. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is pretty impressive you can build a sea base for $160 million. In the US that wouldn't even pay for the wetsuits.

      And the US wouldn't kill anyone in the process either or afterwards from shoddy construction.

      You can accomplish a lot when you don't put much value on human life.

      True, whenever someone points out about how hindered we are by safety regulations and codes and how fast China can build stuff ask them when's the last time an apartment building in the USA simply fell over on its side after a heavy rain.

    19. Re:$160 milion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is pretty impressive you can build a sea base for $160 million.

      It is, until you realize that the inhabitants and workers are considered expendable.

  3. Ownership by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    All their base are belong to us.

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    1. Re:Ownership by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Someone send us "DOWN?" the bomb?

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  4. Benthic Treaty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely Blue Hades will object.

  5. James Bond by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the plot for a James Bond movie.

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  6. I've played that game before..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rapture is a fictional city in the BioShock series published by 2K Games. It is an underwater city that is the main setting for the games BioShock and BioShock 2. The city also briefly appears in BioShock Infinite, and is featured in its DLC, Burial at Sea. The game's back-story describes the city as envisioned by business tycoon Andrew Ryan in the mid-1940s as a means to create a utopia for mankind's greatest artists and thinkers to prosper in a laissez-faire environment outside of increasing oppression by the world's governments. However, the lack of government made many people uneasy, and the masses turned toward political activists like Atlas who advocated stability under a government, turning the city into a dystopia; and on the eve of 1959, a civil war broke out, leaving much of Rapture's population dead. The remaining citizens either became psychotic "Splicers" due to the effects of ADAM, a substance that can alter genetic material, or have barricaded themselves from the Splicers to protect themselves, leaving the city to fail and fall apart around them.

    1. Re:I've played that game before..... by Dins · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a lot closer to the plot of Soma. A game that I VERY highly recommend. Deals with an underwater science base, a rogue AI, and consciousness transfer. What could go wrong?

  7. How can this even be possible? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Harry Goz is dead.

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  8. I think I've seen this show by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    Is Pooh Bear watching adult swim reruns of Sealab 2021?

    1. Re:I think I've seen this show by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Possibly Sealab 2020. It's more likely to work out like 2021 though. Complete with the base imploding.

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  9. China is going to force World War 3 by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    How do we get them to knock this shit off?

    1. Re:China is going to force World War 3 by WindBourne · · Score: 0

      We need to remain ahead of China in terms of Military. The problem is, that we have outsourced our manufacturing base, which is what is killing us. Even here, the tech that China will be using for doing this base, will mostly come from the west.

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    2. Re:China is going to force World War 3 by m00sh · · Score: 2

      How do we get them to knock this shit off?

      Why do you hate science?

    3. Re:China is going to force World War 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We still make and sell the most weapons.
      The problem is America can't stand being number 2. So instead they will force the whole world to be number zero. i.e. all dead.

    4. Re:China is going to force World War 3 by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      We still have enough nukes just in the U.S. to make the planet uninhabitable. What else do you want?

    5. Re:China is going to force World War 3 by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Why do you love the Communist Chinese government?

    6. Re:China is going to force World War 3 by m00sh · · Score: 1

      Why do you love the Communist Chinese government?

      You hate science because you hate the Chinese government?

      If I love science and they also love science, does it mean I love the Chinese government?

  10. Why Hades and not Poseidon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean this is Poseidon's shtick right?

  11. Not a good use of their money by Micah+NC · · Score: 1

    This has about the same military significance as the Great Wall of China, i.e. very little.

    An adversarial nation could destroy this super expensive base with little effort using existing capabilities. I don't believe the estimates because they tend to use low-tech solutions that are much more error prone and take a lot more time. No opportunity to industrial sabotage the tech from other countries here either.

    Keeping a carrier there (which, by the way, you can move) would be far cheaper, less dangerous for the troops, and extend their reach just as much.

    Sounds like their sizzlers were a major advance, but this is throwing good money after bad.

    1. Re:Not a good use of their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 1: Build an underwater shipping lane.
      Step 2: Blockade all surface traffic using artificial island defenses.
      Step 3: Profit.

  12. Autonomous war submarines by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    It always seemed to me that autonomous submarines would be super useful for military offense. A submarine that doesn't need humans inside can be smaller, faster, quieter, cheaper, and more maneuverable. They could recharge from solar or tidal power, or have nuclear batteries that last decades. But most frighteningly: what if they contained nuclear weapons? You could position them all over the world, nearly undetectable, imminently ready to strike. Port cities are vulnerable yet also valuable.

    1. Re:Autonomous war submarines by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      It always seemed to me that autonomous submarines would be super useful for military offense. A submarine that doesn't need humans inside can be smaller, faster, quieter, cheaper, and more maneuverable. They could recharge from solar or tidal power, or have nuclear batteries that last decades. But most frighteningly: what if they contained nuclear weapons? You could position them all over the world, nearly undetectable, imminently ready to strike. Port cities are vulnerable yet also valuable.

      I don't know that I would trust anything autonomous with nuclear weapons. Even if the tech was foolproof for remote steering and detonation, it takes one person hacking the communication to it and the highest bidder now has nuclear weapons.

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    2. Re:Autonomous war submarines by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Slapping a nuclear weapon on robotic toys sounds nice when fantasizing about apocalyptic scenarios, but in the real world nuclear weapons are so valuable that they are targets for all kinds of mischief.

      If I wrap your nuclear armed toy in a gauss cage and seize physical control in deep water, is there a automated system to blow it up "safely" while spreading nuclear crap into the water? Or can I take it home, take it apart and refurbish it to become a nuclear power?

      Making the South China Sea a place where nuclear explosions can go off and China itself has no idea if it was their own nuke or not, that is not the kind of neighborhood improvement project that serves a rising great power.

  13. Yawn by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Call me when they have actually built it and it works as expected.

    Until then I put it in the same file as all the other outrageous claims China likes to make up and / or brag about.

    Tomorrow they will announce an AI controlled hand held laser that turns everyone Chinese.

  14. Its a Circus of Values! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think most of us knows how this will end. With little Chinese girls harvesting ADAM from dead bodies....

  15. Ops, sorry.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If in International waters, then another country can build an explosives testing facility right next door.
    This seems like another Chinese ploy to grab non-territorial water/land like they are doing with man-made islands in international waters and other countries waters.

  16. Re: Why'd you have this DELETED Rick Schumann? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that Slashdot has been deleting your spam today, which is a step in the right direction. They need to restore some civility to these discussions and clear out the most obvious spam like your personal attack posts and the ASCII art swastikas. I hope they improve the lameness filter to curtail the rest of your spam. Your antisemitism ("jewgle") is not welcome here and I hope this marks a change in how Slashdot gets moderated.

    This story is actually very interesting and cool, about a deep sea base. I'm sure back in the day, the comments would have been much more interesting. A city on the bottom of the ocean sounds like something straight out of science fiction. I was hoping the discussion would do justice to a cool story like this.

  17. cant even compete in electric cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China is the world’s largest market for electric vehicles, accounting for more than half of global electric car sales in 2017, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). An estimated 1.23 million electric cars are in circulation in China, compared to 820,000 in Europe and 760,000 in the U.S.

  18. JOOZ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

    Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

    This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).

    Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

    Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

    "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

    Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

    Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).

    Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.

    George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.

    Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.

    Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!

    Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).

    Adam Schiff (gosh s

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