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The Secret Service Wants To Test Facial Recognition Around the White House (theverge.com)

The Secret Service is planning to test facial recognition surveillance around the White House, "with the goal of identifying 'subjects of interest' who might pose a threat to the president," reports The Verge. The document with the plans was published by the American Civil Liberties Union, describing "a test that would compare closed circuit video footage of public White House spaces against a database of images -- in this case, featuring employees who volunteered to be tracked." From the report: The test was scheduled to begin on November 19th and to end on August 30th, 2019. While it's running, film footage with a facial match will be saved, then confirmed by human evaluators and eventually deleted. The document acknowledges that running facial recognition technology on unaware visitors could be invasive, but it notes that the White House complex is already a "highly monitored area" and people can choose to avoid visiting. We don't know whether the test is actually in operation, however. "For operational security purposes we do not comment on the means and methods of how we conduct our protective operations," a spokesperson told The Verge.

The ACLU says that the current test seems appropriately narrow, but that it "crosses an important line by opening the door to the mass, suspicionless scrutiny of Americans on public sidewalks" -- like the road outside the White House. (The program's technology is supposed to analyze faces up to 20 yards from the camera.) "Face recognition is one of the most dangerous biometrics from a privacy standpoint because it can so easily be expanded and abused -- including by being deployed on a mass scale without people's knowledge or permission."

55 comments

  1. Will be awfully tough by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    to keep those White House visitor records a secret when everyone who visits is not only on camera, but matched to a database to boot.

    1. Re:Will be awfully tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know right? What if Americans only found out that Trump had the heads of all 3 branches of Russian intelligence in the White House from leaked Russian media photosgraphs of them laughing like traitors, right?

      https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/05/10/gettyimages-681529300_wide-0242147ade9d8cd2832393d9d1a656c86b6b7762-s1100-c15.jpg

    2. Re:Will be awfully tough by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Hint: That guy with the big floppy head isn't really Richard Nixon. Neither are any of the others who look just like him.

    3. Re:Will be awfully tough by mysidia · · Score: 2

      In all likelihood, they won't be White House records available for anyone other than law enforcement, however. They will most likely be classified Security / Law Enforcement / Secret Service data, privileged as strategic data and part of ongoing investigations into threats

      Same deal as FBI records.... they contain private personal information about people and secret info about investigations and investigative procedures -- and therefore cannot be retrieved for public scrutiny. You can request your own FBI file under FOIA but not the FBI file of another person or details of a particular investigation, that is: just the same, not the dosiers about potential whitehouse visitors --- Recall, even senators could only briefly LOOK at parts of FBI investigation files related to Kavanaugh, and that required extremely tight controls to ensure that no senator could take any notes or retain any copies about info in the files.
      That's how serious law enforcement is about controlling sensitive files, and the visitor listing will likely either be wiped in a few months or tightly cordoned off, so the only people who will ever see any of it are investigators in the SecretService.

    4. Re: Will be awfully tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comedy gold.

      Can you imagine being this person? 10$ says he'd go insane if anyone said this kind of thing about Obama.

      Partisan politics is goofy as hell, none of these candidates care about you and Trump siding with Putin doesn't make logical sense kid, he's not even on the correct side of the political spectrum to join Russia. Get a grip.

  2. recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if they can recognize trump's face with my hand in the picture as I wave it around with just my middle finger extended.

    1. Re:recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully nobody wears Spock Socks... https://media.giphy.com/media/...

  3. Just a hypothetical right? OR WAS IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, I know, that's just Lavrov and Kislyak. Mine was a hypothetical. OR WAS IT?

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-russian-spy-chief-paid-undisclosed-visit-1517347712-htmlstory.html

  4. Can't say I blame the Secret Service for this by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Funny

    With someone like Trump in office, it must be at least 10 times harder to keep people out who would want to kill him.

    1. Re: Can't say I blame the Secret Service for this by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well, you are in their database now. No, not because what you wrote. You are just in their database, just like everybody else.

      It's not paranoia if they actually follow you.

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    2. Re:Can't say I blame the Secret Service for this by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Trump masks are available for cheap, just saying...

    3. Re: Can't say I blame the Secret Service for this by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Oh, believe you me, I know damned well I've had an FBI file with my name on it for decades now, and the scathing letter I sent to Trump at the Whitehouse, after his continual attacks on the 1st Amendment and then the 14th Amendment more or less guarantees that the S.S. has done at least a cursory investigation into me, but I don't care, I'm not going to let a loud-mouthed bully like Trump infringe on my 1st Amendment rights, either. Let 'em send their jackbooted thugs in suits after me, IDGAF.

  5. Re:Just a hypothetical right? OR WAS IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Schumer still thinks "Russia hacked our elections". What a rube.

    And learn how to post links, jackass.

  6. Being Lindsay Graham is complicated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you give a pass... to a guy who is directly giving a pass... to a murderous asshole you say you can't give a pass to... because he's a crazy lying madman?

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/04/lindsey-graham-blasts-mohammed-bin-salman-says-us-cant-give-him-pass-jamal-khashoggi

  7. Re: Just a hypothetical right? OR WAS IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Schumer will be the one

  8. WHATTABOUT WHATTABOUT SCHUMER?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The script says SOROS, Ivan. Dammit you are blowing this operation.

  9. Why don't they just ask? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government in DC has been connecting private business cameras to their systems for years and have pretty extensive surveillance already. I don't recall which agency, but it's aready a thing. If the Secret Service isn't using facial recognition on the data from near the white house, it's behind the times and there is probably another government agency that already is.

    1. Re:Why don't they just ask? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      To ensure most nations diplomats still feel its safe to meet their US spies out in the open AC.
      So US gov workers still thinks its ok to meet journalists.
      That a US contractor still thinks nobody will notice them meeting a spy.

      All the other government agency collection is still well hidden so everyone feels they are still safe.

      Like the K9 team that ask for citizenship all around the US border.
      The FBI camera placed in a utility pole.
      Criminal people think its safe to wonder around outside with the most new cell phone as the "police" can get into its hidden data.

      Most of the news is about ensuring people of interest keep doing what they do in the open under CCTV without changing their methods.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re: Why don't they just ask? by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness for the panopticon!

      With this new CYBERNETIC TOTALITARIANISM technology we have completely eliminated crime and corruption from America! It's totally safe to walk in all parts of our major cities at night. Our politicians and regulators no longer accept suitcases full of cash. The city police no longer operate as a criminal gang, nor as an occupying army. Construction of inspectors no longer demand bribes, and certainly no longer have dealings with the mafia. Even potential jaywalkers shudder at the awesome power of COMPUTERIZED BIG BROTHER.

      And best of all - there is no possible way this technology will be used for evil purposes!!

  10. Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time the system saw Trump it said "Did not win" and "Lock him up"
    With Ivanka it just went "Nice software"

  11. I'll take the government over Facebook doing this by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    At least there are some nominal protections in how it's used not that the ACLU actually helps.

  12. Steve Bannon detected! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No wait, it's just a roadkill squirrel.

  13. The blame stops here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5425865-Flynn-1.html
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5425866-Flynn-2.html

    This guy had some serious time coming up and he's been giving full cooperation to Mueller - he is advising no jail time in sentencing. Stone and Corsi and the rest, put a fork in yourselves traitors. You are done.

  14. Greatest Enthusiasm by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

    Computer: I've got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. [scans target]
    Target: I reveal my Inmost Self unto my God: MAGA!
    Computer: Sigh.

  15. On the other hand, Facebook doesn't have SWAT team by raymorris · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, Facebook doesn't send a SWAT team into your house when you they think maybe you did something they don't like. Government has a legal monopoly on violence.

  16. Easily pick out the orange face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep your eye on the orange blip. Should make the secret service's job a lot easier.

  17. Im sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I just figured they were already doing this. I mean why not?
    Besides, if they were doing this are wanted to do this why would they even announce it. Just do it.

    Anyone, scratch that, any American who would find a reason not to utilize this technology in and around the White House can GTFO in my opinion.
    The White House, regardless of who currently resides there, is a sacred area of the USofA.

    1. Re: Im sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've been watching too many movies kids.

    2. Re: Im sorry but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think it is so out of the world that you have to be a movie fan to think it already happened?
      Security cameras are everywhere, it would be very odd to think that they didn't have security cameras in the white house.
      The facial recognition have been around on consumer product for years.

      In this particular case false positives and false negatives isn't a big deal since you already have people watching the security footage.
      Facial recognition can help with filtering out persons that are expected so that security can give more focus to visitors and the software can check those against known threats and if it fails you will be no worse off than if you didn't have the software.

      Wonky software with a lot of false positives/negatives is mostly a problem when you use large datasets and little to no manual verification.

    3. Re: Im sorry but... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Facial recognition can help with filtering out persons that are expected so that security can give more focus to visitors and the software can check those against known threats and if it fails you will be no worse off than if you didn't have the software.

      Yes, you will be. If the facial recognition software fails and identifies someone wearing a Kellyanne Conway mask as Kellyanne Conway and security gives more focus to others because she was expected, you're worse off than if everybody was scrutinized the same and no prioritization made based on facial recognition.

    4. Re:Im sorry but... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The White House, regardless of who currently resides there, is a sacred area of the USofA.

      Sacred? Keep your religion private and away from my government!

  18. Who cares about the ACLU/ by will_die · · Score: 0

    Starting this year the ACLU is no longer for innocence before being guilting or requiring a fair trial. They are now out for political blood and will use any method to remove those they are against. So why should they be believed on this claim? We know they are against trump and we know they like linking innocent people with criminals and it looks like they are doing it again here.

    1. Re:Who cares about the ACLU/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, bud.

    2. Re:Who cares about the ACLU/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We know they are against trump and we know they like linking innocent people with criminals and it looks like they are doing it again here.

      Care to give an example of a person you think is innocent that have been linked to criminals by ACLU?

      Now, consider that for your concern to have a point it is necessary that the link isn't justified.
      If someone without a previous conviction can be linked to a lot of criminals then it could be a good idea to have a closer look at that person.
      Remember, the presumption of innocence only means that you shouldn't be punished until guilt is proven. It doesn't mean that you can't be investigated.

    3. Re:Who cares about the ACLU/ by will_die · · Score: 1

      Brett Kavanaugh. The ACLU ran ads linking him with people who had been found guilty of rape either by their own words or were found guilty in court.

  19. aholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They better use tons of goatse type images as training data.. they'll need it so the system can recognize all those aholes!

    1. Re: aholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comedy gold, my fellow AC.
      And thanks for not posting a link.

  20. Won't work by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    They even let people with orange faces into the White House.

  21. Don't fall for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facial recognition has been working just fine everywhere else.
    There's no need to test the technology; it has been proven to work already.
    This is purely about testing the societal waters of all-encompassing public surveillance.
    Do not let your guard down on this one!

  22. Quick! We found a terrorist! by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    It is just in the Oval Room, all guards enter and stop it!

    .........

    Ehm, sorry mr. President, our new terrorist facial recognition system still needs some minor modifications.

    1. Re:Quick! We found a terrorist! by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      I think it will be the opposite. I think that the president himself is always recognised as good guy by the system. If you want to do something bad in China, wear a mask of the president and all recognition will probably stop. If you want to do something bad near the white house, wear a mask of the president (or his head of staff) and the system will fail. Off course, this only has an effect if the human guards are fired because of trust in this system.

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  23. Easy algorithm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orange blob with light yellow on top = POTUS

  24. The White House is a honeypot for crazies by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2

    If you think this is just because of Trump, you may want to look back at the number of incidents which actually occurred when Obama lived there, including an armed intruder jumping the fence and actually ENTERING THE BUILDING and a mentally ill woman getting shot to death with a baby in her car after panicking, ramming the east entrance, and fleeing. Seriously, knock it off with the partisan shit. I know about 45% of the readers on this site blame Trump, Republicans, and straight white men for the entirety of the world's evils, but nutters being attracted to the White House are a completely non-partisan phenomenon.

    1. Re:The White House is a honeypot for crazies by gazelam · · Score: 1

      Right you are sir, there are crazies all the time. But would the ACLU be this excited if the occupant was a Democrat? As a political independent, that's what I want to know.

    2. Re:The White House is a honeypot for crazies by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      blame Trump, Republicans, and straight white men

      2 out of 3 ain't bad.

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  25. Weakening Security? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Why not have every employee in the database and flag people who don't belong? They don't even have to scan guests if the system detects an unknown and that unknown is detected with an employee who has checked in a guest properly the odds of a breach are tremendously lowered. How can this be a new idea in an ultra-high security zone?

    That better approach seems so obvious that this announcement seems like an excuse for weakened security. We'll see if a future incident is blamed on precisely this low level of observation. I guess we'll have that incident before next summer or not at all.

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    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    1. Re:Weakening Security? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Why not have every employee in the database and flag people who don't belong?

      Because unless they add security resources to check on and act on the recognition, it will inevitably mean reallocating resources.
      Then wearing a mask or make-up of an employee improves your odds, as resources that would have checked you before will be allocated elsewhere.

      And if you want to add security resources, you can do that anyhow; no need for facial recognition.

  26. Re:I'll take the government over Facebook doing th by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Protections? Have you heard of Edward Snowden?

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  27. I'm OK with it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, I'm OK with it. Why? It's the White House, and it's the Secret Service; as long as they're not groping or irradiating people, it's their mandate.

    I understand that people don't want this technology to develop, but it's always been stupid to fight progress, even for good reasons. It's better to be vigilant with application than fighting it. The biggest no-no (IMO) is data sharing. Like it or not, the government is going to have a database it's probably going to share between departments; better to keep it that way and secure it than having the data everywhere.

    What you DON'T want is them getting into bed with data sharing with corporations. The license plate tracking companies already have the taxpayer's police populating their database for them . . .

  28. About Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have had this back when Bill and Monica were a thing.

    captcha: refilled

  29. Sounds like the Roomba and Samsung Privacy Policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't want us to collect your data, simply switch off wifi or the network. You won't be able to use any of the advanced features that you bought the product for. F-You.