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Luxembourg To Become First Country To Make All Public Transport Free (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Luxembourg is set to become the first country in the world to make all its public transport free. Fares on trains, trams and buses will be lifted next summer under the plans of the re-elected coalition government led by Xavier Bettel, who was sworn in for a second term as prime minister on Wednesday. Luxembourg City, the capital of the small Grand Duchy, suffers from some of the worst traffic congestion in the world. It is home to about 110,000 people, but a further 400,000 commute into the city to work. A study suggested that drivers in the capital spent an average of 33 hours in traffic jams in 2016. While the country as a whole has 600,000 inhabitants, nearly 200,000 people living in France, Belgium and Germany cross the border every day to work in Luxembourg.

Luxembourg has increasingly shown a progressive attitude to transport. This summer, the government brought in free transport for every child and young person under the age of 20. Secondary school students can use free shuttles between their institution and their home. Commuters need only pay about $2.27 for up to two hours of travel, which in a country of just 999 sq miles (2,590 sq km) covers almost all journeys. Now, from the start of 2020 all tickets will be abolished, saving on the collection of fares and the policing of ticket purchases. The policy is yet to be fully thought through, however. A decision has yet to be taken on what to do about first- and second-class compartments on trains.

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  1. Good question by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you go for something like 5 bucks a day gets you 1st class, you'll once again need policing, clearly defeating some of the point.

    If you do it on a first come, first serve basis, I guarantee it won't take one week for the first physical encounters to happen over a 1st class seat...

    1. Re:Good question by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      You might want some form of policing anyway. Some people (especially older ones) have complained before about having far fewer conductors on trains and trams these days. They are useful for keeping unruly passengers in line, provide directions, etc.

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    2. Re:Good question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've grown up here in Luxembourg. For there to be any kind of physical alteration between adults is extremely rare. As for kids, they might get a bit rowdy from time to time but not much more than that. A lot of that has to do with the place being so small that if you do start a scrap, somebody will know who you are and the cops will come knocking.

      The difference between between 1st and 2nd class is a matter of compartment and seat colour. The rest, including the comfort of the seats, is exactly the same. The only reason why you'd buy a 1st class ticket is so you're guaranteed a seat and it's only applicable on trains as all bus transport is one class.

    3. Re:Good question by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "If you do it on a first come, first serve basis, I guarantee it won't take one week for the first physical encounters to happen over a 1st class seat..."

      Indeed. Disclaimer: I'm from Luxembourg and I worked as a railway dispatcher for 40 years.

      1. Class (+25€ per month) is used by people who want to get seated in overcrowded commuter trains where half the people are standing. The rest is occupied by railway workers from middle management upwards, because they can use that one for free, just like the rest uses 2. class for free.
      Also, train ticket controllers and sellers earn between 60.000 and 80.000€ a year, (not to mention QA, Finance and other top jobs who earn much more) so if those jobs are not needed anymore, just as all the expensive electronic ticketing, the vending machines and their IT, the 'free' part doesn't cost much in the end.

      Also bus drivers won't be attacked for the money if there isn't any anymore.

    4. Re:Good question by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Welcome to Luxembourg, where the definition of 'free' is 'the government pays for it".

      When something is "Free" there is ALWAYS someone else paying for it. (or someone else forgoing collection for service rendered)

      Of course the people are still paying for it (via taxes), as does anyone else who pays VAT or sales tax inside the country. However, it may be a net-gain for the people. Places with subsidized transport typically see increase in property value (desirability goes up), along with that wages often increase too.

      That's not always the case of course, but frequently is. So yes, the people may be paying for the service in their taxes- but their wealth might also be increasing because of the transportation (case by case basis if it does)- so there is probably a net gain for everyone because of this. Especially so for anyone who might be able to now do away with a car. Now they have lots more discretionary income. More than they're paying for taxes in transportation.

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    5. Re:Good question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When something is "Free" there is ALWAYS someone else paying for it. (or someone else forgoing collection for service rendered)

      A good example is a hospital nurse. There are two ways I know of. 1) Either she's paid a hourly salary, and then no matter how many shots given or bodily function attended to, we don't give a crap. The job will get done and patients will be cared for. 2) Every ass wipe must be an itemized bill, everything will be nickel-and-dimed so that hospitals and private insurers have bullcrap to haggle about. The nurse won't be paid more, all she gets is "performance metrics". Cost of healthcare goes up to pay for all the needless accounting and parasites, employees get pressured and need to taylorize their wiping ass acts and flu shots.

      Now, both 1) and 2) were not "Free" so you might wonder why do I reply with this to your quote about not paying vs paying. Well, to me 1) is more "Free" than 2).

      It is ironic that Luxemburg transports are to fully move to 1) and abandon 2) (public transports always are a mix of both, often more than half is paid with taxes and the rest with fares). I think European Commission forced my country to switch from 1) to 2) in the context of hospital nurses, to satisfy some grand "liberal" capitalist ideology with a badly veiled longer term goal of dismantling national public healthcare.

    6. Re:Good question by Luthair · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So what you're saying is, every road should be a toll road. The better the road, or if it goes somewhere good you should pay more to travel on it?

    7. Re:Good question by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If someone benefits from it, he/she should pay.

      What if everyone benefits from it? I catch public transport to work. That means one less car on the road in a given day. Everyone on the road should pay for that.

      It's the fundamental reason why toll roads are a regressive and inefficient way to create infrastructure.

    8. Re:Good question by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      But why is the air free? Because of nanny-state communism, that's why.

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  2. It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by bobbied · · Score: 3, Informative

    You may not be paying for it when you use it, but it's being paid for though taxation. It's not free, far from it.

    But let's be real. "Public transportation" is ALWAYS taxpayer funded in some way. Why? Because there is no way it would be possible for the private sector to do this kind of thing at a "reasonable" cost for the average user. The business model is unworkable. The only option is to throw taxpayer funds into it.

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    1. Re:It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if you don't use public transport it benefits you by reducing traffic.

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    2. Re:It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You say that it is far from free, but are you sure?
      - Less pollution -> less sick people -> less medical costs
      - Less cars on road -> less roads needed -> savings from road building and maintenance
      - People will visit each other more (as it is free) and also on other places -> better mental health -> healthcare savings (at least in theory)
      - More attractive to tourists -> more income
      - Less cars -> People will save time when travelling due to less traffic -> time is money, so...
      - A lot of waste-work around tickets is removed -> money is saved

      I have no idea about what is the total amount of savings when everything is added together, but I would say that it is at least possible that they will actually save more, even if they have to pay for it in the taxes.

    3. Re:It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by ledow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And means you don't have to buy a car yourself.

      And reduces pollution.

      And means people can get to your businesses without having to pay for fuel and parking.

      And means that when your car breaks down you can still get to work without having to worry about it.

      The point of things like mass transit is that you SPEND MONEY on them as a basic service that everyone is able to use, in order that you save lots of money elsewhere.

      It's in a country's best interests to ensure that workers can get to work, reliably, on-time, and by an efficient means of transport. Because that means more productive (and therefore taxable) work and less congestion and pollution (and all major cities/countries can get fined for having bad pollution).

      I have never understood why the London Underground isn't free. Or more reliable. I'd happily have it free in its current state, or more reliable and I have to pay what I do to use it. (P.S. it beats Luxembourg on most of those "amazing advances" already).

      But public transport being "free" is no different to things like health services being "free"... for many basic services that keep your workforce happy, productive, and moving, they actually save more than you could spend on them.

      This is why America's arguments against healthcare are always absolute bunk by the way. Failing to provide basic healthcare, no matter how much you tax private healthcare, will never make up for the 50+ years of lost productivity of a worker dying early, or the years of lost productivity of a worker who is ill, injured, scared to seek treatment, etc.

      It doesn't work for everything, but healthcare and public transport it definitely works for. At worst you should heavily subsidise them.

      Same way that my council collects my rubbish "for free" because if you charged me specifically to take my rubbish away, all those people who can't afford things will sacrifice rubbish collection and turn all the poor areas of the city into unofficial municipal rubbish tips in seconds.

      And, of course, "for free" means "via your tax that you ahve to pay". Because everyone paying en-masse means that people who don't have much rubbish, or healthcare problems or use public transport much are subsidising those who do because they need to.

      Socialism isn't about "things being free". It's about "why should people have to pay to go to work or receive basic healthcare" - when lack of those EXACT things are exactly the cause of why they can't afford to pay for them in the first place. It's about breaking the cycle, not offering freebies to millionaires. And some countries get that very wrong.

    4. Re:It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What shithole do you live in that this is the case? Where I live, everyone of all social classes takes the train.
      And public transportation creating more traffic not less? Are you fucking high?

    5. Re:It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 2

      Yes, it is funded through taxes. This means that it is a net gain for people that use public transportation, and a net loss for those who don't. It works as an incentive to use public transportation. Economically, it makes sense, as long as they retain the same efficiency. The total amount of money spent on transportation, by the entire population, can only go down. Actually, it would make sense to do the same things for museums, for instance: entry to a museum is always free; museums are funded through taxes (for citizens). This policy encourages you to visit museums as often as possible, because why not? You're already paying for it. Boosts culture and education.

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    6. Re: It's not Free... It is taxpayer funded... by orlanz · · Score: 2

      Have you worked in large companies? Companies larger than 5k employees are larger than many local governments and about as inefficient. At 20k, it seems they are about as inefficient as any large government. At 50k+... they are too big to fail and will be bailed out by taxpayers.

  3. Do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    33 hours a year in traffic jams on average? If you make 10 trips a week for 50 weeks that's 500 trips per year. 33 hours / 500 trips is abou 4 minutes per trip stuck in traffic. That's "some of the worst traffic in the world"?

    1. Re:Do the math by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      My commute is 40 miles each way. 4 days a week, though on an annual basis about 180 days.

      Morning, 45 minutes, no delays.

      Evening, 50-75 minutes, delays 5-30 minutes, average about 15 minutes. Yearly, about 1350 minutes. 22 hours, close enough.

      And this is nowhere near the worst commute in the US.

      Yes, yes, they pay me more than enough to justify the ride. And no, telecommuting or working from home would diminish my productivity. Late next year I'll move to a location about 15 minutes closer. Woot.

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    2. Re:Do the math by pz · · Score: 2

      Thus spake Anonymous Coward:

      33 hours a year in traffic jams on average? If you make 10 trips a week for 50 weeks that's 500 trips per year. 33 hours / 500 trips is abou 4 minutes per trip stuck in traffic. That's "some of the worst traffic in the world"?

      From the linked article, which rather paints a very different picture than the one suggested by the summary and questioned by our AC (emphasis in bold added):

      How much time a year do Luxembourgers spend stuck in traffic jams?

      With 33 hours, Luxembourg City ranks 134th in the world out of more than 1,000 cities analysed.

      22-02-2017

      According to a study published recently by the American company Inrix, drivers in Luxembourg City spent an average of 33 hours in traffic jams in 2016. This result puts Luxembourg City in 134th place. Esch-sur-Alzette, another town in the Grand Duchy included in the study, fares better, with just 21 hours spent stuck in traffic jams. It ranks 350th on the list.

      To draw up its ranking, Inrix analysed the road traffic situation in 1,064 towns in 38 different countries. Inrix accumulated 500 terabytes of data from 300 million different sources, covering 8 million kilometres of roads.
      International competition

      Compared with the major cities at the top of the list, the cliché of Luxembourg City as a congested capital clogged by its road traffic needs to be moderated. In comparison, for example, the inhabitants of the city of Los Angeles spent 104.1 hours in traffic jams, the inhabitants of Moscow 91.4 hours, and New Yorkers 89.4 hours.

      In Europe, the ranking is led by the major cities in Russia. That does not mean that the big cities of western Europe are unencumbered. Londoners spend an average of 73.4 hours in traffic jams, while Parisians manage to waste 65.3 hours.

      Overall, cities close to the Grand Duchy fared rather better than Luxembourg City. Metz is in 944th place, with 6.6 hours of traffic jams. Thionville is in 724th place, with 10.3 hours of traffic jams a year, and Saarlouis in 669th place, with 11.4 hours of traffic jams.

      Two main factors may explain the difference between Luxembourg City and these examples. Firstly, Luxembourg City has a high ratio of cars per household, and secondly, more than half the people who work in the Grand Duchy are cross-border workers, and they need a means of transport. Given the particular circumstances of the Grand Duchy, the Government is investing in improving and extending public transport (examples include the tram project and a car-sharing app).

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    3. Re:Do the math by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "33 hours a year in traffic jams on average? If you make 10 trips a week for 50 weeks ..."

      I'll stop you right there, everybody has at least 5-7 weeks of vacation (depending on the job) and they take every single day, all of them.

      Second, the country is 40*60 miles, normally people would only need between 5 and 20 minutes if there was no traffic jam.

  4. Re:Saving on the cost of collecting money? by Kokuyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Probably not but I didn't get that meaning from the article.

    Collecting may have cost only 30 cents of that, however imagine how much time and effort is spent by everyone getting the ticket. Also calculate what it costs to make sure nobody cheated.

    And then factor in a potential of more people using public transportation instead of private, thus relieving streets.

    Not to mention tourism will like this, too...

  5. Re: Free by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Welcome to civilization.

  6. Re: mKaart by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because TAXPAYERS in Luxembourg overwhelmingly people of the rest of EU, rather than its own citizens. Their primary means of income is providing safe haven for tax evasion for large companies that want an office within EU and all the perks that come with it.

    There's a reason why the current head of EU Commission and former PM of Luxembourg has earned himself a nickname "tax evader in chief". It's easy to pay for large array of benefits to a microstate worth of people when you can fund it via providing safe haven for large multinationals.

    If you're an actually productive rather than parasitic economy, the picture looks very different and perks like these don't scale well.

  7. Re:Saving on the cost of collecting money? by scamper_22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's actually not that strange.

    I'm in Canada, and I think like most of the world, public transit is subsidized. Whatever the number is. 30%-70% is covered by general taxation.

    It's really not unthinkable to just make it free since you're already paying almost half the cost anyways. If a city is already subsidizing transit by $1 billion, and can make it free for $2 billion, it doesn't seem that crazy.

    Then of course, there's the saving in terms of payment systems, inspectors, fares, security systems... whatever that works out to be. Probably like 5-15% of the fare cost.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all if some routes do in fact cost more to collect in fares. Obviously not the major busy routes.

    As far as government spending goes, this wouldn't be a crazy waste of money. I know in Canada, Calgary has a fare free zone, where you basically don't pay fares within the downtown core. Plus you can reduce traffic, drinking and driving, better for the environment...

  8. From a Lux. Native by 4im · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First off - the state already pays for something like 80% of the cost of public transport. Going 100% won't make much of a difference on the budget.

    Traffic is indeed quite horrible, with all the commuting and street works. Luxembourg (which isn't only one city btw) is by far the most active economic center of the region, and so pulls in a lot of workers who live up to 2h (in normal conditions) driving away. It's also gotten a lot worse these past decades.

    Public transport isn't very effective now on many lines, because it will suffer from works too (trains as well as buses), buses will be stuck in traffic just as much as cars. And "people incidents", let's not forget those. Lots of economic areas are badly covered, as the public transport lines are mostly aligned for Luxembourg City only - if you want to go somewhere else, good luck, count in a lot more time. To get people to switch from private cars to public transport would take a massively better quality, different lines... which isn't really on the to-do list as far as "we the people" can see.

    Making things free won't automatically improve the quality of public transport, thus... things will probably remain as they are.

    There's also the impression that something free isn't worth anything, some people will think they're entitled, will show poor respect to personnel etc., so we're really not that happy about this upcoming change, fearing that quality will actually go down.

    Not much impact for me anyway - I live close enough to work for walking, which I do when weather won't permit the use of the motorbike (much easier to find parking space that using a car!).

  9. So are roads by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    "Public transportation" is ALWAYS taxpayer funded in some way.

    So is private transportation. Who do you think pays for all those roads? Encouraging more people to use public transportation by making it free will reduce the need to build more roads and save on repair on the ones that are already there.

    Whether the benefit is worth the cost requires detailed analysis but in a densely populated country like Luxembourg I suspect the maths is much more in favour of this than in less densely populated countries like Canada where our city council is both considering either making local transit free or increasing the price by ~30%!

  10. Re:Why even have First Class? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

    You will not be sitting in it for longer than about 30 minutes unless you are crossing a border

    You'd wish. From Troisvierges to Belval (no borders involved) the train takes 1 hour 45 minutes. If it is on time, which rarely happens.

    Yes, some people actually object to fare-free travel saying that the money would be better used improving the service, rather than making it cheaper.

  11. Re: mKaart by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How many transit systems actually operate at a profit? In most of the US, transit systems operate at significant losses, with something like 70-80% of the costs covered by general taxes, not the ticket. And the transit is often-times under-utilized. Moving to a free model may just fill up the transit systems, for not a whole lot more tax dollars.

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  12. Re: mKaart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're an actually productive rather than parasitic economy, the picture looks very different and perks like these don't scale well.

    If you're a productive economy then those workers are commuting to a place of work which then produces goods/services which contributes to GDP. You then tax those companies and their sales/trade. Those tax receipts should be sufficient to pay for the employee's transport costs, given that it's affordable out of their salary which is paid from a small part of their revenue. It should result in people using public transport more. Companies should benefit from more employees in their talent pool and the government benefits from reduced use of the road infrastructure which saves on costs.

    They only fail to scale well over very large distances in countries with a sparse population, like America. Even then they would scale well in and around large cities.

  13. Re: mKaart by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my home city of Tampere, we have one of the cheapest tickets in Finland for a city of its size. Additionally city's population density is so low, that when we joined the EU, it was classified as a "village of ~200.000 people" by EU standards. Additionally our central street that most bus lines use is a historic street made of stone pavement, which causes excessive vibration on the bus structures over time requiring additional maintenance and making buses that operate on gaseous fuel impossible as valves cannot handle vibration for long. That kind of population spread coupled with unique problem of pavement on the central street makes public transit a significant challenge, so being one of the cheapest in terms of ticket prices in the country has been one of the point of pride to the folks doing the planning in the organisation. I listened to a couple of lectures on the topic in my old university some years ago.

    To my understanding, the public company that handles the public transit lines is profitable and highly competitive with private bus companies. Latest city budget proposal for 2019 reports that it was profitable to the tune of 3,6 million Euro on the revenue of slightly under 28 million revenue in the latest numbers they have which is for year 2017. Revenue includes 2,1 million "support and assistance from the region".

    Here's the document I took the numbers from:
    https://www.tampere.fi/tiedost...

    Page 115 has the numbers First column is the final numbers for 2017, to which plans for 2018-2022 are contrasted. You can find what individual lines mean by running the document through google translate.

  14. It scales fine when it's a transport system by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    instead of a 'perk'. You do need to build your cities around it though, which most European cities did. The problem with America is that our car companies got to decide how our cities would be laid out in the 30s, 40s and 50s.

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  15. A few facts for perspective by Bromancer · · Score: 2

    The population of the country of Luxembourg is 590,00. This is about equivalent to the population of Wyoming, which is the least populated state in the United states. As another post in this thread noted, Luxembourg is slightly smaller than Rhode Island. However, Rhode Island has a population of 1.05 million, or about twice that of Luxembourg.

    Luxembourg City has a population of 110,000, which is actually less than the number of people who would attend a University of Michigan Football game on a Saturday in the fall. In fact, the university does supply free bus service to all those people for many years, yet it doesn't seem to warrant a celebratory article on slashdot.

    The city of Columbus, Ohio in the United States also offers free mass transit. Columbus has a population of 870,000, or more than1.3 times that of the entire country of Luxembourg, or about 8 times that of Luxembourg City. This is a bigger achievement by far, yet has not warranted a celebratory article in slashdot. Btw, Columbus is not a complete anomaly, Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, and Miami also do this, to name a few.

    Also, many other cities around the world do this.

    The point of this not to downplay the helpfulness of free mass transit. For reasons mentioned elsewhere, like traffic, it can be a very good thing. Why all this needs to be mentioned is the tone of the article. It is making a big deal about how a COUNTRY has free mass transit, with some implied shame about why other countries are not following this lead. In a forum made of people who pride themselves as "nerds" logic and nuance must be a factor. In truth, many other entities that are bigger than Luxembourg have done this already. Saying in a breathless voice, 'but, it's a country." really does not have great meaning. In reality what is important is size and area covered. So, this is by far not a world first.

    The real story should be, why not earlier Luxembourg?