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Freshwater is Getting Saltier, Threatening People and Wildlife (scientificamerican.com)

Salts that de-ice roads, parking lots and sidewalks keep people safe in winter. But new research shows they are contributing to a sharp and widely rising problem across the U.S. From a report: At least a third of the rivers and streams in the country have gotten saltier in the past 25 years. And by 2100, more than half of them may contain at least 50 percent more salt than they used to. Increasing salinity will not just affect freshwater plants and animals but human lives as well -- notably, by affecting drinking water. Sujay Kaushal, a biogeochemist at the University of Maryland, College Park, recounts an experience he had when visiting relatives in New Jersey. When getting a drink from the tap, "I saw a white film on the glass." After trying to scrub it off, he found, "it turned out to be a thin layer of salt crusting the glass."

When Kaushal, who studies how salt invades freshwater sources, sampled the local water supply he found not just an elevated level of the sodium chloride, widely used in winter to de-ice outdoor surfaces, but plenty of other salts such as sodium bicarbonate and magnesium chloride. He also found similar concentrations of these chemicals in most rivers along the east coast, including the Potomac, which provides drinking water for Washington, D.C. Where did all of it come from? De-icing salts, Kaushal determined, are part of the problem, slowly corroding our infrastructure.

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  1. Sodium Chloride? by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People still use sodium chloride as a deicer? Around here, pretty much all municipalities have switched to calcium chloride, which deices better than sodium chloride, and tends to not kill everone's grass. They'll only use sodium chloride in dire emergencies - IE massive ice storm at the end of the season and there's no calcium chloride to be had, which is pretty rare.

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    1. Re:Sodium Chloride? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, NaCl only works down to about -20 Celsius. CaCl works much better.

    2. Re:Sodium Chloride? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Also, NaCl only works down to about -20 Celsius. CaCl works much better.

      Also, CaCl doesn't corrode cars and bridges as badly as NaCl does.

      The big advantage of NaCl is that it is cheap.

      Another option is to put nothing on the roads. This is common in southern states, where snowfall is infrequent, and melts quickly. So everyone just stays home when it snows.

    3. Re:Sodium Chloride? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      In northern Arizona we use volcanic cinder on roads. The city of Flagstaff owns its own little volcano, which it mines for this purpose.

  2. Environmentalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    “The demise of water fleas does not just affect the clarity of the water, but will likely also impact the small fish that feed on them,” Hintz adds. “They provide food for the larger fish that humans eat.”

    Conservatives and Republicans, this is why the environment and our ecosystem is important. It's not some "liberal snowflake" luxury. It's about our health and well being.
    And why didn't the summary mention that it's also caused by industrial activities? Business needs to take responsibility for their pollution. Because they just dump or whatever and stick us with the costs.

    1. Re:Environmentalism by Highdude702 · · Score: 4, Funny

      well we obviously need global warming then to stop the snow so they don't have to use the salt on the roads that is salting up the rivers. plus it will melt some glaciers giving us more fresh water! BRB I got to go start this tire fire, its getting a little cold.

    2. Re:Environmentalism by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, but they still win elections over the so-called "sane" democrats. Maybe everybody should be looking into the mirror to see why that happens.

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  3. How is it still legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I remember the same discussion back in the 70s. It also hurts pets and damages roads and cars. In Germany many cities have banned the use of thawing salt on roads and sidewalks; some places still allow it but only in extreme weather. Grit is a perfectly viable alternative and the effect lasts much longer.

    1. Re: How is it still legal? by dnaumov · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except for the part where scandinavian countries say you are full of shit and use tiny gravel instead. I havenâ(TM)t seen salt used for decades.

    2. Re:How is it still legal? by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      We do this in the whole State of Oregon you dunce. Of course it works.

      Salt is something idiots do. If they kept doing it for 500 years, you wouldn't even have farms left in that part of the world, you'd just create a desert.

      It is a temporary solution, and it is fucking shit up for you already. You might want those farms and drinking water in the future, so it might be time to merely teach winter driving schools and save the farms.

  4. Self driving cars should fix this by slickwillie · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, they should be able to drive on icy roads, right?

    1. Re:Self driving cars should fix this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Physics is physics and friction is friction, regardless what is driving the vehicle. The solution? Don't salt the roads. Put down sand and winter tires or chains should be mandatory. Salting is actually rare in cold-climate countries outside the US as well as cold states in the Western US (i.e. Idaho).

    2. Re:Self driving cars should fix this by PPH · · Score: 2

      until sometime in the 1960's
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      too much work to remove sand from the storm sewers

      This.

      But in the 1960s, that meant sending someone into each storm sewer grate with a shovel and bucket. Now they use Vactor trucks.

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    3. Re:Self driving cars should fix this by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      If you're driving on a sheet of "solid ice" and not skidding off of it, you're probably not driving on solid ice. Most cars made after 2012 or so have traction/stability control, and one still sees stuck late-model cars. Physics is physics.

  5. Meaningless statistics by renzema · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "by 2100, more than half of them may contain at least 50 percent more salt than they used to" - a total meaningless statistic. Are are going from 1 ppb to 2 ppb, which is essentially a non-event, or from 1% to 2%, which would have serious implications? Doubling without giving a baseline and what that baseline represents is just scaremongering.

  6. My BS detector is pegged by nicoleb_x · · Score: 2

    This is all hyperbole and other than a few random water tests is very weak on facts. Salinity increases are usually caused by droughts.

  7. Jokes aside this is a problem that only affects by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    the poor. You can buy a reverse osmosis filtration system for about $200-$500 bucks per faucet and that should filter out most of the salt.

    Also, when it comes to water rural communities have much, much bigger problems. Their pipes are going on 100 years old and nobody wants to pay to replace them. Estimates put it at $750 billion to fix the whole country. I'm surprised nobody on the left is talking about that. All they talk about is roads and bridges. Get that message across and you could snatch the farmlands back from the right wing.

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  8. CaCl2 [Re:Sodium Chloride?] by XXongo · · Score: 2

    People still use sodium chloride as a deicer? Around here, pretty much all municipalities have switched to calcium chloride, which deices better than sodium chloride, and tends to not kill everone's grass.

    In general it's the chloride that's the problem, not the sodium ion, so CaCl2 is not much better than NaCl for the environment. It does de-ice at a lower temperature, though. https://stormwater.pca.state.m... https://www.oxycalciumchloride...

    1. Re:CaCl2 [Re:Sodium Chloride?] by JBMcB · · Score: 2

      In general it's the chloride that's the problem, not the sodium ion, so CaCl2 is not much better than NaCl for the environment. It does de-ice at a lower temperature, though.

      Er, no. Sodium chloride tends to interfere with water take-up in macro- and micro- organisms. It's an issue with sodium chloride in particular. Calcium Chloride *can* have the same effect, but you need a *very* high concentration. The chloride ions can be a problem, also, but again, you need a TON of the stuff to impact anything.

      It's just one data point, but there is a river that runs near my house that snakes it's way for miles towards a lake. The majority of storm drains in the county I'm in dump into it. Where it hits the lake is some of the best fishing in the area. It's dense with seaweed and fish. If increased calcium chloride had any kind of adverse effect on micro or macro organisms, it would be occurring in that spot.

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  9. Re:drinking water by neilo_1701D · · Score: 2

    Given the nature of how water treatment works everyone should be using a reverse osmosis (RO) system for their *drinking* water. .

    Whilst I agree, this doesn't help the environment. Birds, ducks, fish etc. don't have the luxury of finding a nice, portable RO system to carry around.

  10. Re:drinking water by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    The thing is, in the U.S., we're used to being able to drink the water straight from the tap. Seems only civilized, kinda like having an indoor toilet. It would be a real shame and a giant step backwards to give that up.

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  11. Re:drinking water by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

    To a degree; OP's point is that you have multiple grades of needs, and the central supply shouldn't really treat all water to the highest requirement. There is also the lead pipe issue in places and a host of other things that really make it a good idea.

    Only downside is you waste a lot of water with RO; nice if you can pipe the concentrate stream for something like laundry or at least toilet flushing.