FreeBSD 12 Released (freebsd.org)

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FreeBSD 12 Released (freebsd.org)

Posted by msmash on Wednesday December 12, 2018 @03:25AM from the for-the-record dept.

New submitter vivekgite writes: The 12th version of the FreeBSD has been released, bringing support for updated hardware. Some of the highlights include: OpenSSL has been updated to version 1.1.1a (LTS). Unbound has been updated to version 1.8.1, and DANE-TA has been enabled by default. OpenSSH has been updated to version 7.8p1. Additonal capsicum(4) support has been added to sshd(8). Clang, LLVM, LLD, LLDB, compiler-rt and libc++ has been updated to version 6.0.1. The vt(4) Terminus BSD Console font has been updated to version 4.46. The bsdinstall(8) utility now supports UEFI+GELI as an installation option. The VIMAGE kernel configuration option has been enabled by default. The NUMA option has been enabled by default in the amd64 GENERIC and MINIMAL kernel configurations. The netdump(4) driver has been added, providing a facility through which kernel crash dumps can be transmitted to a remote host after a system panic. The vt(4) driver has been updated with performance improvements, drawing text at rates ranging from 2- to 6-times faster.

Various improvements to graphics support for current generation hardware. Support for capsicum(4) has been enabled on armv6 and armv7 by default. The UFS/FFS filesystem has been updated to consolidate TRIM/BIO_DELETE commands, reducing read/write requests due to fewer TRIM messages being sent simultaneously. The NFS version 4.1 server has been updated to include pNFS server support. The pf(4) packet filter is now usable within a jail(8) using vnet(9). The bhyve(8) utility has been updated to add NVMe device emulation. The bhyve(8) utility is now able to be run within a jail(8). Various Lua loader(8) improvements. KDE has been updated to version 5.12.

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Has not changed by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 03:35 · Score: 0

Much since version 6 or 7. Usually they make noticeable updates
1. Re:Has not changed by jellomizer · 2018-12-12 03:54 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  FreeBSD is focused on being a traditional Unix system. Unlike a lot of Linux distribution like Ubuntu who try to be desktop or workstation that they want to compete against OS X and Windows. FreeBSD mostly stays the Pure Unix system for others to work off of.
  FreeBSD is the Chocolate Bar Operating Systems.
  Where most of the new candy out there will be based on a Chocolate bar, they will have Nuts, Caramel, nugget.... That will try to make the candy more complex for peoples particular liking, the Standard Chocolate Bar is still around and when the fad candies go away, they will always go back to the Chocolate Bar and build the next fad off of that.
  FreeBSD doesn't have too many changes that are noticeable, but they are often necessary to keep it current in today's time.
  
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2. Re:Has not changed by jellomizer · 2018-12-12 05:21 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  A dark chocolate bar is Gluten Free, Vegan, and full of Carbs. Free Trade wouldn't effect its taste.
  
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3. Re:Has not changed by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:42 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe not the best metaphor, then (even if dark chocolate bars are not vegan due to milk, and fair trade goods are often sub-par) - but the point is still made. Your "chocolate bar OS" is going to become rubbish.
4. Re:Has not changed by QuietLagoon · 2018-12-12 06:03 · Score: 1
  
  ...FreeBSD is focused on being a traditional Unix system....
  FreeBSD is responsible for a lot of traffic on the 'Net. https://openconnect.netflix.co...
  
  ...FreeBSD was selected for its balance of stability and features, a strong development community and staff expertise. All code improvements, feature additions, and bug fixes are contributed directly back to the open source community via the FreeBSD committers on our team. We also strive to stay at the front of the FreeBSD development process, allowing us to have a tight feedback loop with other community and partner developers. The result has been a positive open source ecosystem that lowers our development costs and multiplies the effectiveness of our efforts....
5. Re:Has not changed by DontBeAMoran · 2018-12-12 06:29 · Score: 1
  
  Dark chocolate bars are not supposed to have milk...
  
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6. Re: Has not changed by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:43 · Score: 0
  
  Racist.
7. Re:Has not changed by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:05 · Score: 0
  
  This actually breaks your own metaphor.
  Consider: your metaphor was to compare FreeBSD to the most standard, generic, and widely accepted sort of candy bar, a chocolate bar. The vast majority of plain ol' chocolate bars are milk chocolate.
  Regardless of the milk content in a dark chocolate bar, this is no longer the standard. And a lot of people don't much like them - they are bitter and yucky to many.
8. Re:Has not changed by DontBeAMoran · 2018-12-12 08:55 · Score: 1
  
  That was not my own metaphor as I was not the OP.
  Secondly, if morons don't like dark chocolate bars then it's not the duty of the candy companies to taint their dark chocolate with milk, it's the morons who should buy milk chocolate bars instead.
  
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9. Re:Has not changed by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:58 · Score: 0
  
  So you are saying that I should not put milk on my FreeBSD motherboard to improve it's chocolate performance?
10. Re: Has not changed by Billly+Gates · 2018-12-14 18:28 · Score: 1
  
  Significant improvements have been made to virtualization including Amazon and Azure/HyoeerV since 6 or 7 including BSDs own Bhyve. SMP and the removal of big lock and updated desktop environments on the desktop end.
  Sure a Unix terminal by default looks the same since 1988 but you haven't used it for anything important.
  
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Linux still playing catch up. by Seven+Spirals · 2018-12-12 03:37 · Score: 4, Insightful

They still can't seem to get BTRFS working anywhere nearly as well as ZFS on FreeBSD. Plus, you get a lovely init structure with no Systemd garbage. I love it.
1. Re: Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 03:43 · Score: 0
  
  I think the FAQ is stupid short. I must be on the wrong page
2. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:02 · Score: 0
  
  Take a look at bcachefs (https://bcachefs.org/).
  I think many people will end up using it instead of BTRFS.
3. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by QuietLagoon · 2018-12-12 04:09 · Score: 1
  
  ZFS on FreeBSD.
  That has been nothing but an excellent experience for me.
4. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:20 · Score: 0
  
  ZFS on Linux works great however.
5. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:24 · Score: 1
  
  From the bcachefs page:
  "Performance is generally quite good - generally faster than btrfs,"
  Actually, that's wrong - phoronix did a whole bunch of speed tests. It was middle-of-the-pack or slower in a fair few instances.
  see:
  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=bcachefs-linux-2018&num=1
6. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by I'm+just+joshin · 2018-12-12 04:41 · Score: 2
  
  Except for a lack of TRIM support, and a few too many quriky bugs from the still rapidly changing code base.
7. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by bagofbeans · 2018-12-12 04:58 · Score: 1
  
  Wish the native encryption for ZFS would be released into BSD... yes, GELI, we love you, but I wanna go native, baby.
8. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:09 · Score: 0
  
  Has the RAID5/6 support been fixed in BTRFS yet?
  Or is it still the case that after you do a recovery your disks are in a state where if you lose one disk you lose all data?
9. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:35 · Score: 0
  
  That's funny. The file-system totally obsoletes the backup of the 2nd disk by just being a shitty file-system. Might as well just use 1 disk if that's the case.
10. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:20 · Score: 0
  
  They still can't seem to get BTRFS working anywhere nearly as well as ZFS on FreeBSD.
  Or ZFS on Linux for that matter:
  * https://zfsonlinux.org/
11. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:26 · Score: 0
  
  Serious question: Haven't touched FreeBSD in probably 7-8 years. Worth at least looking again?
  Was looking at using that as my primary OS for house server. Away from GENTOO.
12. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:44 · Score: 0
  
  Serious question: Haven't touched FreeBSD in probably 7-8 years. Worth at least looking again?
  You can look, but don't touch.
13. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Lady+Galadriel · 2018-12-12 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  I wish Linux would separate the BTRFS development tree from the production tree. Then work for stabilizing Mirroring and other current normal features of BTRFS. Use the development branch to add new features like the forever pending RAID-5/6.
  
  A long time ago, (2011?), I used BTRFS as my root file system for 2 of my 4 Linux computers. Not for most of the features. My main goal was to get sub-volumes, so I could perform OS updates on a writable snap shot. For me, that worked perfect and the times I had to backout a Gentoo update, it was not a killer. (My prior scheme was dual root partitions that I alternated updating. Before that, occasional full restore!).
  
  But, BTRFS never stablized. People were loosing data, or having serious mount problems, (fortunately not me). I saw BTRFS going into wonderland of compression, encryption and copy-on-write, (reflink), for individual files. That sounded like a nightmare to manage and maintain. The biggest reason I hated BTRFS, was that I could not tell sub-volume sizes using simple tools, like "df -h". Quota limits would have also been nice, but sizes were more important for me at the time.
  
  So, in 2014 I started looking at ZFS on Linux. Implementing it on one of my Linux computers, (a minature media server), worked great. Got my sub-volume sizes and quota issues 100% resolved. Plus, got some great features, like LZ4 compression, (which at the time BTRFS did not support compression). And a reliable development group, releasing updates every few months. Now for years, all my Linux computers use ZFS. Have not lost 1 byte, (and I run monthly scrubs to verify), to the file system. Perhaps a native Linux file system would be faster, but I want my sub-volumes, (aka ZFS datasets).
  
  With OpenZFS used and developed on 4, (soon to be 6 or 7), OSes, I feel more confident that it will be more reliable, (even on Linux), than BTRFS or possibly B-Cache.
  
  (And for those wondering, the OpenZFS Tier 1 OSes are FreeBSD, Illumos and similar OpenSolaris derivitives, and Linux. MacOS might be considered Tier 1, but also could be Tier 2 since little development is performed on MacOS in regards to OpenZFS. The newer ones are OSv, MS-Wiindows and possibly ReactOS, under development to support OpenZFS.)
  
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14. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Lady+Galadriel · 2018-12-12 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  Native OpenZFS encryption definately coming to FreeBSD, (and all the other OSes that use OpenZFS). I played with native ZFS encryption on Linux last summer, (August 2017), and it was pretty stable then. But, details of ZFS send & receive, (raw verses un-encrypted), were still being worked out. And based on the ZFS on Linux github bugs, there are lots of corner cases being resolved.
  
  So, in some regards be happy OpenZFS on Linux is dealing with all the bugs. Whence they are squashed, the other OSes like FreeBSD, will get stablized and well documented native OpenZFS encryption.
  
  Just remember, this is at rest encryption. Not a pancea for all security issues.
  
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15. Re: Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:34 · Score: 0
  
  Yup. I/O grinds to a halt after a month of uptime with two virtual machines, complete with backtraces in the dmesg. The issue disappears under FreeBSD.
16. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by ItsJustAPseudonym · 2018-12-12 08:40 · Score: 1
  
  I just put FreeBSD in a VirtualBox instance within Windows. The support for mounting a Windows folder in FreeBSD is lacking. That's a VirtualBox + FreeBSD issue. The same feature works fine with VirtualBox + Linux.
  
  That being said, there are workarounds such as 'scp'. In all other respects, I like being on FreeBSD. I have an XFCE desktop configured on it, and it is nice and fast.
  
  Also, if you just installed FreeBSD directly on the computer, you would not have to worry about VirtualBox. I would have done that if I had been starting a fresh PC.
17. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:50 · Score: 0
  
  perhaps bcachefs is including the amount of time spent restoring backups while using btrfs?
18. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Baki · 2018-12-12 09:14 · Score: 1
  
  But ZFS on Linux is working quite well too. In fact it is slightly newer, the version which includes experimental encryption support.
  FreeBSD 12 might have caught up, though the release notes didn't mention any new features so I suspect the ZFS version has not changed.
19. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by bill_mcgonigle · 2018-12-12 09:24 · Score: 1
  
  Did 12 get us native ZFS encryption on BSD?
  I would like to know, not having a Flat vs. Phillips flamewar. GELI crashes too often.
  
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20. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by bill_mcgonigle · 2018-12-12 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  I took a look the other day. The TODO list is where ZFS was twelve years ago. They'll be close to feature-comparable real soon now. Yeah, uh huh.
  I do think as many people as possible should fund his Patreon but some realism is necessary.
  
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21. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:31 · Score: 0
  
  Linux being ever-evolving Linux may yet recover from the Microsoft sponsored poisoning called 'systemd'. The wealth of good applications in Linuxland are an ace. BSD = plod-along "Unix". A modern incarnation os SCO, minus the negative IQ drama and lawsuit mania. I somehow never liked BSD, nor its devil 'mascot'. Penguins are positive and cute. Demons, no. My 2c. I know one Linux distro that don't want bees or insects in their wallpapers because 'some people are disturbed'. So me, I don't want a devil associated with the OS on my machine.
22. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:49 · Score: 0
  
  You must be from Texas?
  http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html
23. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by AHuxley · 2018-12-12 10:32 · Score: 1
  
  We must not allow... a code of conduct gap!
  
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24. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:55 · Score: 0
  
  Nope.
25. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 11:07 · Score: 0
  
  umm, are you confusing Microsoft with Red Hat? Or are you just generally confused? Or stupid? It could be that, you sound stupid.
26. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Seven+Spirals · 2018-12-12 11:34 · Score: 1
  
  The ZFS version is a bit political. Sun originally designed ZFS with versions to enable various features along the version continuum. However, many things happened they didn't foresee. OpenSolaris was pretty much a failure (yes, one can argue *today* about Illumos but that's not in the context when ZFS was created). Now you have four groups essentially charting a different course for ZFS and only two of them really matter: Oracle and FreeBSD. Linux doesn't matter a lick since licensing issues will forever prevent Linux from fully adopting ZFS properly. Illumos doesn't matter because it has nowhere near critical mass or the needed dev talent. ZFS code in FreeBSD gets changes often and their source code repos prove this clearly. In fact, much more clearly than lets-lay-off-everyone-related-to-Solaris-at-Oracle folks at Oracle. have demonstrated in the last few years. Yes, the version in Solaris is newer and yes it has encryption. Yes, GELI isn't as stable as the encryption in ZFS in Solaris. However, keep in mind that ZFS native encryption *is* underway and will probably work in 12.1 or 12.2 at this rate. At worst, it'll be in the next major rev of FreeBSD. However, if you are holding your breath for BTRfs or trying to wave the ZFS on Linux banner, you'd better eat an energy bar or something, because you are going to be there a while.
27. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Seven+Spirals · 2018-12-12 11:39 · Score: 1
  
  No, he is just a run-of-the-mill moron. I'm from Texas. John Carmack is from Texas (well born in Kansas, but still lived most of his life in Texas). There are a lot of religious dipshits like this guy in Texas, don't get me wrong. However, the place is a mix of clay and gold like any other place. There are a lot of smart folks there, too. It's a big place.
28. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Seven+Spirals · 2018-12-12 11:41 · Score: 1
  
  No. It's coming soon. The stuff in HEAD is already spanking Solaris pretty badly performance-wise, though. It just wasn't tested well enough by the time 12-RELEASE came time to cut.
29. Re: Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 11:49 · Score: 0
  
  ZFS on Linux works great however.
  [Mother fucking citation needed.]
  ZFS on Linux is pure hell, and no sane person would do this outside of academics. I suspect you haven't been fucked over by some kernel udev fuckery or other equivalent bullshit, -yet.
  ZFS is great either OpenZFS on FreeBSD or FreeNAS and even the bastardized Oracle ZFS on Solaris is good, but on Linux is nowhere near primetime for your statement to be considered serious.
30. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 20:38 · Score: 0
  
  Blah blah blah blah blah ..... for what purpose? FUD?
  ZFS is alive and well on Linux and the only people politicking about it are license zealots and purists who obviously do not need or want the technical advantages and benefits of ZFS.
  MEANWHILE.... ZFS is perfectly fine and available on many Linux distros, most important one definitely. You can install it (even for root, has great initramfs support) on Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu (first class citizen), Debian, Gentoo, ArchLinux, OpenSuSE, ... and these are just where it's packaged and maintained, otherwise pulling sources from git and running a few make installs (spl+zfs) is a breeze.
31. Re:Linux still playing catch up. by x_t0ken_407 · 2018-12-14 11:24 · Score: 1
  
  Have used FreeBSD on all my servers (home and otherwise) since Freebsd 8, definitely worth a look. 100% recommend, as someone who manages 100s of Ubuntu boxen every day.
Thought it was dead by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 03:44 · Score: 0

already. Kinda like who knows this anymore already?
1. Re:Thought it was dead by hey! · 2018-12-12 04:04 · Score: 1
  
  It's been subsisting on the brains of other operating systems.
  
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2. Re: Thought it was dead by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:40 · Score: 0
  
  Just because you aren't using it doesn't mean it's dead. Lots of the Internet runs on it. You are just unaware.
FreeBSD by Oswald+McWeany · 2018-12-12 03:48 · Score: 2

FreeBSD sounds great! How much does it cost?

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1. Re: FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 03:50 · Score: 2
  
  Your dignity
2. Re: FreeBSD by Oswald+McWeany · 2018-12-12 03:53 · Score: 2
  
  Your dignity
  I have no dignity, it must be free!
  
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  "That's the way to do it" - Punch
3. Re:FreeBSD by SurenEnfiajyan · 2018-12-12 04:00 · Score: 1
  
  It's free. If it was paid it would likely be called PaidBSD.
4. Re:FreeBSD by Oswald+McWeany · 2018-12-12 04:11 · Score: 1
  
  It's free. If it was paid it would likely be called PaidBSD.
  Yes, that's the point of my bad joke!
  
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5. Re: FreeBSD by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  No, it means you have no currency with which to purchase increased respect from the software you use.
  It is priced in dignity because you have to be sufficiently motivated to do the extra work needed. If you have enough dignity not to be willing to suffer the vagaries of software for the masses, you might be able to afford to use this!
6. Re: FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 20:15 · Score: 0
  
  You must be running WhooshBSD.
They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 03:51 · Score: 0

Be careful if you Hug a FreeBSD dev you can be banned for life.
1. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:30 · Score: 0
  
  The CoC for FreeBSD is essentially "don't be a jerk". Unwanted physical contact, like hugs, are harassment, and could legally be considered sexual assault.
2. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:43 · Score: 0
  
  Unwanted physical contact, like hugs, are harassment, and could legally be considered sexual assault.
  NO, it fucking isn't harassment or assault! Unwanted != harmful. Just say "please don't hug/touch me." No harm, no foul.
  Jesus Christ WTF is wrong with people today??
3. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:59 · Score: 0
  
  Just say "please don't hug/touch me."
  And if they keep touching and hugging you? What don't you understand about repeat unwanted physical contact being harassment don't you understand? How about I get up int your face and start yelling at you and won't leave you alone? Are you really arguing that you'd just sit there and take it? What if I did the same thing to your spouse/child/friend/family? You're what's wrong.
4. Re: They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:26 · Score: 0
  
  Iâ(TM)m gonna teabag you
5. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:29 · Score: 0
  
  You did not specify "repeated," which would be harassment but not necessarily sexual harassment - and not even close to assault (intent to do harm).
  I wish the hippies had won the sexual revolution. We're all so uptight about sex, we've shoved affection out the window.
6. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:13 · Score: 0
  
  And if they keep touching and hugging you? What don't you understand about repeat unwanted physical contact being harassment don't you understand?
  Ever worked with people with autism? (hint: a hell of a lot of programmers 'suffer' from some form of ASD).
  Sure, there are the 'please don't touch' types, but there are also the 'huggers', personally, I don't like 'unwanted physical contact' (and have a normal 'personal space' which would put your average MATZ to shame) but having worked for a number of years in a support capacity for people who are autistic I've learned to live with it, as I know that their need for physical contact isn't driven by any 'sexual motivation'.
  The bald CoC diktats I've had the misfortune to laugh at* on the subject of 'unwanted physical contact' drafted by political ideologues, and despite their attempts at a faux 'inclusive' aura, all seem to ignore this and make no allowances.
  TL:DR? Not all human brains work in the warped way CoC fanatics seem to think they do, everyone being different and all that, and not all 'repeat unwanted physical contact' is harassment.
  * Yes, a place which employed a lot of people with ASD, introduced a diktat about 'unwanted physical contact', Did I have fun pointing out to the idiot who drafted this gem that a number of their staff couldn't help but make 'unwanted physical contact' thanks to their condition? Oh yes..
  The problem was that this officebound idiot had no interaction with the ASD members of staff, in fact, if you were being uncharitable, you could say they avoided such interactions.
7. Re: They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:45 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe skip on hiring retards next time.
8. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:57 · Score: 0
  
  Didn't realize I had to specify everything. I've never heard anyone use the term "harassment" to mean a one time event. "Repeat" is baked into the definition.
9. Re: They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:26 · Score: 0
  
  Who the fuck harasses people with hugs?
10. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:38 · Score: 0
  
  >The CoC for FreeBSD is essentially "don't be a jerk"
  Then it should just say "don't be a jerk." Instead it imposes very specific rules for personal behavior, in which certain people define "being a jerk" for all others to accept and obey. No dissent will be tolerated. Behave as they dictate or you are OUT.
11. Re: They don't like hugs by fyonn · 2018-12-12 09:48 · Score: 1
  
  as you ask.. the ex CEO of Ted Baker apparently..
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/bus...
12. Re:They don't like hugs by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 10:06 · Score: 1
  
  "Try it and I'll stab you." --Aiz Wallenstein.
13. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 12:22 · Score: 0
  
  This mentality is exactly what is killing software development.
14. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 13:45 · Score: 0
  
  Unwanted hugs/touching that don't hurt you are really no big deal, people have just blown up a molehill into a mountain.
  What happened, someone put their hand on your ass and you didn't like it? Guess what, ALL DAY LONG people do things to me that I don't like. Doesn't make it a crime.
  This society could use more physical contact. Then maybe people would lighten up!
15. Re:They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 18:19 · Score: 0
  
  Unwanted virtual hugs are against the CoC too. Directing a "/hug" at somebody in any medium can get you banned from official FreeBSD activities such as conferences, mailing lists, forums, and code commits. They won't even take your patches.
16. Re: They don't like hugs by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-13 04:01 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe skip on hiring retards next time.
  I refer you to the statement near the top of that posting,
  
  '..(hint: a hell of a lot of programmers 'suffer' from some form of ASD).'
  
  I know you're trolling, but autistic != retard.
  I see a lot of postings here which are indicative of the poster being autistic to some degree...
  Other postings?, they most definitely show the poster to be a retard of the type you appear to be quite intimately familiar with..
BSD ? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 03:56 · Score: 0

What release of UBUNTU is BSD ? Bondaged Socialist Dick ?
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by toadlife · 2018-12-12 04:02 · Score: 4, Insightful

Nobody misses you.

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Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:07 · Score: 0

You need a hug.
Love and use FreeBSD by sremick · 2018-12-12 04:12 · Score: 4, Insightful

FreeBSD has so many technical advantages over Linux. It's unfortunate that stupid things held it back in the day and caused Linux to be the one most-commonly adopted.
From the unified kernel and userland environment, to the fantastic ports system, to the documentation, to the ridiculous stability, to the performance, to ZFS, to the LACK OF SYSTEMD... I use it anytime I can. Unfortunately its lack of popularity hold back using it as a desktop (it can be done, but it's gotten to the point that so many things have become dependent on Linux-isms and Linux has gone so off the rails with things that it's too much effort for dev teams to make alternate proper unix versions that'd run on FreeBSD and such. So you have issues with drivers for peripherals, video cards. Popular desktop environments won't compile (the only Gnome that works is an old version). No Dropbox, etc. For years though I ran FreeBSD as my primary desktop on my home computer.
You used to see FreeBSD rule the top uptime lists, and tons of web hosting providers used it. But then when things like cPanel stopped making FreeBSD versions, that dwindled away. Now if you want FreeBSD on a webhost you're going to have to fully manage it from the ground up, and use something like Digital Ocean.
I still use FreeBSD at home in the form of FreeNAS and pfSense. And if I have cause to build a unix server for any reason which I'd be managing from a terminal, I absolutely choose FreeBSD.
1. Re: Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:21 · Score: 0
  
  Couldnâ(TM)t have said it better myself.
2. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:29 · Score: 0
  
  What technical advantages does it have over Linux. Most benchmarks I've seen clearly show linux has a huge advantage.
3. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by bsd_usr · 2018-12-12 04:59 · Score: 1
  
  Agreed!!
4. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:59 · Score: 0
  
  The Linux scheduler is better than the BSD scheduler, but I like the stability of the BSDs. OpenBSD and FreeBSD make more sense for projects that need to remain stable for decades. Also, OpenBSD is the only Free OS that has a working multicast router.
5. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:32 · Score: 0
  
  The biggest technical advantage it has over linux is it isn't linux. The benchmarks you've seen are likely from linux nutjobs whose benchmarks should be ignored.
6. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:42 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  FreeBSD tends to gracefully overload. Linux tends to crash and burn. Linux is perfectly fine as long as you don't overload it. FreeBSD's performance just levels off once it reaches maximum load. Linux has negative scaling where it becomes slower past max. It's the kind of thing system admins care about but devs don't.
  
  Quite a few blogs from big companies that specialize in network or storage, like Netflix, where they thoroughly tried Linux. Tried every optimization, hired specialists, made their own custom tweaks, but Linux kept spontaneously blowing up under extreme loads. Think of a single server saturating a 100Gb interface while maintaining 10 million connections and creating 100,000 new connections per second. Linux' IO stacks cannot handle those loads without a major refactoring the stacks and the kernel as a whole. FreeBSD was engineered from the very beginning for these kinds of things. It's not perfect and has a lot of areas for great improvement, the structure is all there, purposefully architected and designed.
  
  And due to licensing, FreeBSD gets a lot more research. At least in the USA, publicly funded research must be free for all and that does not play well with GPL. FreeBSD's licensing doesn't care. This same issue also applies to many internet standards, where the sample implementation must be license compatible with everyone. GPL does not play well with others.
7. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:43 · Score: 0
  
  First it isn't Linux. Second the development process is more conservative (with Linux if it compiles then it's finished). Third things like ifconfig and traceroute still work like they used to.
8. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by QuietLagoon · 2018-12-12 05:51 · Score: 1
  
  ... to the documentation...
  The Handbook is amazing! So much knowledge and wisdom has been accumulated in it.
9. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Espectr0 · 2018-12-12 06:34 · Score: 1
  
  From someone that actually thought of testing FreeBSD, you have effectively convinced me NOT to. I didn't know there were such a high amount of issues for desktop use!
  
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10. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:07 · Score: 0
  
  Nice, FreeNAS and pfSense - I'm right there with you - FreeNAS running on an old Dell Precision T5610 (16GB ECC RAM etc), pfSense humming along on an old Dell OptiPlex 780 with a 4 port port Intel PCIe NIC. I could maybe stretch that to three systems running BSD, I have a Mac Mini running macOS to do Apple update and iCloud caching too.
11. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:30 · Score: 0
  
  Go Look at the FreeBSD site. Can peruse the 'package list'...
  XFCE is available, which is what I'll be looking at running on this, as I run it now on Linux.
  Time to give FreeBSD another look.
12. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:36 · Score: 0
  
  I agree with a lot of what you are saying.
  I used FreeBSD for 15+ years as a hosting platform for an ISP. It was very stable and reliable.
  However, the clunkiness of maintaining updates has always been a problem and that's the dichotomy of FreeBSD. It's a very reliable OS, with an extremely user-unfriendly support system around it. So the stability and reliability attracts a lot of people to it, it's inability to be updated and maintained hassle-free alienates those same people. I ended up abandoning it for CentOS.
13. Re: Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:36 · Score: 1
  
  I think it's been 15 years since you used a bsd. They have a very sane update path now.
14. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by zidium · 2018-12-12 10:00 · Score: 1
  
  At least the open source community wised up in the last decade and most projects are using BSD's License instead of that terrible GPL crap! Coding in 2003 was a pain!
  
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15. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 10:16 · Score: 1
  
  What technical advantages does it have over Linux. Most benchmarks I've seen clearly show linux has a huge advantage.
  When you see them crying over systemd, don't bother looking for these "technical reasons" that you seek. It is the neckbeard talking. And it isn't even connected to the eyes or ears. It may receive enough of the low-level vibrations to bleat back a key word, but that's as much as you're going to get out of it.
16. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 10:18 · Score: 1
  
  Well, if they have that much confidence, maybe they really do have a bigger e-peen?
17. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:34 · Score: 0
  
  Considering that the post you're replying to actually got downmodded, I'd argue that there isn't much confidence in the *BSD community.
  Envy, insecurity and passive aggression, plenty. Confidence? Not so much.
18. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 11:23 · Score: 0
  
  I have not found desktop setup and use to be any challenge. XFCE is fine, and what I use on Linux as well.
  I am running FreeBSD on a fairly old 32bit PC with common hardware, so drivers never bothered me at all.
19. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 12:33 · Score: 0
  
  > Taking other people's work and closing it in 2003 was a pain!
  There, FTFY.
20. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 16:00 · Score: 0
  
  (the only Gnome that works is an old version).
  
  Lack of Gnome is not a bug, it's a feature. Just like the lack of systemd.
21. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by thegarbz · 2018-12-13 08:29 · Score: 1
  
  You used to see FreeBSD rule the top uptime lists
  And then sysadmins got some common sense and rebooted to apply some kernel security fixes.
22. Re:Love and use FreeBSD by vbdasc · 2018-12-13 21:52 · Score: 1
  
  I run Linux, but I don't want things that are Linux-only on my machines. They limit my freedom to move to another OS if the need arises one day, and it's a huge red flag for me. That's why I won't touch systemd with a ten-foot long pole. And I'm clean shaven, by the way.
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:12 · Score: 0

I'm putting together a new distribution called SnowflakeOS, I'll keep you apprised of my progress.
It's resting by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:17 · Score: 0

I walked away a couple releases ago, seeing the writing on the wall. They've since merrily steamed on into irrelevance. It used to be good, but these people just don't have what it takes to carry the legacy to ever greater heights. They think they do, but what they come up with just doesn't cut the mustard. Sad.
code of conduct ahoy by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:22 · Score: 0

just wait a few more years as it destroys freebsd
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 04:38 · Score: 0

Had nothing but headaches and problems and nightmares for all those years. Unbelievably unstable patches and just hostile, garbage people to get "support" from when things inevitably go wrong. I'll never get back those years. When they did the Code of Cancer thing, that was the final straw and I'm still looking for any actual usable OS to run on these compromised computers we have today. Linux also did a Code of Conflicts, so it's out of the question as well, but even without it, Linux is garbage as well.
Given your experiences it does sound like you are probably better off with something else.
Given your general attitude, I am fairly sure nobody will be sad to see you leave. Those who will end up having to deal with you instead may be, though.
Bye.
Anyone know if Netcraft's confirmed it? by rsilvergun · 2018-12-12 05:14 · Score: 2

*ducks*.

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1. Re:Anyone know if Netcraft's confirmed it? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:34 · Score: 0
  
  Indeed, BSD is dying.
  CAPTCHA: autopsy
2. Re:Anyone know if Netcraft's confirmed it? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 07:41 · Score: 0
  
  I came for this very comment.
  Take my mod point, you earned it.
FreeBSD needs to fix there SSL Certificate by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:18 · Score: 0

Firefox complains when I go to freebsd.org
1. Re:FreeBSD needs to fix there SSL Certificate by HiThere · 2018-12-12 05:32 · Score: 1
  
  That's not a FreeBSD problem, as I just went there on firefox without any complaints.
  
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2. Re:FreeBSD needs to fix there SSL Certificate by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 05:47 · Score: 0
  
  pw0ned.
3. Re:FreeBSD needs to fix there SSL Certificate by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:19 · Score: 0
  
  Looks like it is fixed now.
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by QuietLagoon · 2018-12-12 05:50 · Score: 1

Look in the mirror.
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:04 · Score: 0

Wow you must really suck as a sysadmin. Sorry not sorry
Nice! by DaMattster · 2018-12-12 06:28 · Score: 1

While I am first and foremost an OpenBSD user, I still consider it a win when a new version of FreeBSD or NetBSD gets released because it shows that BSD Unix continues to remain very relevant in the open source operating system world. I use FreeBSD as the OS for my NAS box and it works very well! I do both NFS and SMB file sharing from it. I haven't delved in to Net- very much but as long as development continues, it's a win!
Sadly: it's all about the apps by walterbyrd · 2018-12-12 06:34 · Score: 1

Sadly, when Linux apps start requiring systemd, the BSDs will be nearly useless. It will happen, we all know it.
As it is:
FreeBSD has no dropbox client.
You cannot count on FreeBSD to run the latest version of LibreOffice, or anything else. Often, Linux apps will not run at all.
Not as many drivers as Linux, but that is less of a problem.
For now, at least, FreeBSD might make a good server.
1. Re:Sadly: it's all about the apps by Darkk · 2018-12-12 07:32 · Score: 1
  
  I've been using FreeNAS and PfSense for years which are great performing servers with practically zero downtime other than patches and reboots. FreeBSD is geared towards as server platform and rightfully so. To make it into a desktop not so much. I rather they focus less bloat and keeping performance high in FreeBSD than trying to support the desktop apps to muck things up. Leave the desktop to Linux as it's more supported by the community.
  Microsoft did the same thing with their Windows Server installs. Just install the "core" without the desktop GUI and it will run longer without reboots and less time to download and install security updates.
2. Re:Sadly: it's all about the apps by mi · 2018-12-12 07:33 · Score: 1
  
  FreeBSD has no dropbox client.
  That's a Dropbox' problem, not FreeBSD's. But Linux has no such client any more either.
  
  You cannot count on FreeBSD to run the latest version of LibreOffice, or anything else
  ?? Of course, you can — the editors/libreoffice port is usually up to date (it is now, for example). Which is more than one can say about, say, RedHat RPMs. Now try installing an up to date LLVM on Debian...
  
  Often, Linux apps will not run at all.
  ?? By that logic, Linux is inferior, because "Often, FreeBSD apps will not run at all."
  
  Not as many drivers as Linux, but that is less of a problem.
  That would've been the least illogical ding, actually — if it were true...
  
  For now, at least, FreeBSD might make a good server.
  However accidental it may be, this is a compliment...
  
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3. Re: Sadly: it's all about the apps by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:40 · Score: 0
  
  Don't use proprietary, closed crap that doesn't work in multiple platforms. Syncthing works better than Dropbox for my use cases anyways.
4. Re:Sadly: it's all about the apps by vbdasc · 2018-12-13 21:57 · Score: 1
  
  when Linux apps start requiring systemd
  Just say no to Linux apps. Use portable *nix apps instead.
5. Re:Sadly: it's all about the apps by ottdmk · 2018-12-14 10:52 · Score: 1
  
  Not really sure what you're talking about. I haven't upgraded to 12-RELEASE, but I'm on 11.3-RELEASE. I have LibreOffice 6.0.7... the stable release. I have Firefox 63, just because I haven't updated in two weeks (I like to compile all my stuff with poudriere) and once my upgrade run is done this weekend I'll be caught up. True, there isn't a Dropbox client. Sorry that's a showstopper for you. Otherwise, I've found that oftentimes new versions of stuff will hit the ports collection before the distros update their repositories...
Terminus Console font ...updated to version 4.46 by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 06:47 · Score: 0

And I just installed version 4.45 yesterday. Sheesh!
No systemd! by Drunkulus · 2018-12-12 07:45 · Score: 1, Interesting

FreeBSD's stability, security, and freedom from systemd are all reasons why Linus now runs it at home.
Freebsd... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 08:39 · Score: 0

For people who can't do AIX.
I thought BSD was dead by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:09 · Score: 0

I'm pretty sure I read that on Slashdot. Many times.
But yet, here we are.
1. Re:I thought BSD was dead by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:31 · Score: 0
  
  No, the meme is that BSD is *dying* not dead, and it is...I mean they all are, aren't they?
  Anyway, actual BSD is dead, since Berkeley does not Distribute Software (Unix-compatible OS) since about 1995. Therefore all the current BSD variants are just derived from Berkeley's code, they aren't the real McCoy.
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 09:58 · Score: 0

Sounds like me with the PHP maintainers :-(
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by zidium · 2018-12-12 09:59 · Score: 1

Whomever gives him a hug will risk being banned from FreeBSD!!

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Dead BSD sketch by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 10:01 · Score: 1

I wish to complain about this FreeBSD what I downloaded not half an hour ago from this very website.
Oh yes, the, uh, the 12 . What's,uh....What's wrong with it?
I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
No, no, it's uh,it's resting.
Look, matey, I know a dead OS when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
No no it's not dead, it's, it's restin'! Remarkable release, the 12, idn'it, ay? Beautiful graphics support!
The graphics support don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Aighearach · 2018-12-12 10:13 · Score: 1

I ran it on my desktop for a couple years, but it was just *nix, nothing special.
If you needed "support," I'm surprised you'd have still been using it past the first week.
But your aversion to Codes explains a lot. You're simply allergic to following instructions. This explains both sides; why you can't computer and need hand-holding, and why you're no good at having your hand held.
You're right that they're garbage people. Awful, horrible, [pejorative] people. They agree. It means you're not supposed to talk to them, or try to tell them about your problems. They thank you for your understanding. But not in person. In person they're going to call the cops on you for trespassing, or at least G:line you.
Re:Wasted 15+ years of my life on that garbage. by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 12:36 · Score: 0

"Whoever" - it's the subject.
A good rule of thumb is:
Use "who/whoever" where you would use "he/she/they"
Use "whom/whomever" where you would use "him/her/them"
Just be aware that it reverts back to nominative when it becomes the subject of a dependent clause:
"I'll invite whomever I like."
"Ill invite whoever wants to come."
Who cares about Linux!? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 14:56 · Score: 0

What rocks about FreeBSD...
I don't have to type :syntax off in vi to turn off color syntax like in Linux.
I don't have to edit .bashrc to turn of the 'are you really sure' stuff when I want to delete a file/directory/etc
I don't have to look for further information from missing man pages on basic unix commands and conf files
I don't have systemd
I don't have to deal with Linux Snobs!
I can select from 30,000+ ports to install.
Horrible Logo by Anonymous Coward · 2018-12-12 15:53 · Score: 0

Do they ever intend to change it? Or only when the senior developer whose (Russian? mail-order?) wife has designed it is kicked out?
You rarely see anything so ugly. It looks like some sexual toy, stylized goatse or something.
What about bringing back the little daemon mascot. It was cute, what was the problem with it?