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Apple To Build $1B Austin Campus, Add Thousands of Jobs in US Expansion (cnet.com)

Apple said Thursday it plans to invest $1 billion building a new corporate campus in Austin, Texas, that could eventually create 15,000 jobs. From a report: The iPhone maker will also set up new offices in Seattle, San Diego and Culver City, Los Angeles County, as well as expanding operations in Pittsburgh, New York and Boulder, Colorado, according to the press release.

The Austin campus will be located less than a mile away from Apple's existing facilities in the Texas city, which already employ 6,200 people (its largest group of employees outside Cupertino). The new area will initially hold 5,000 employees, with capacity to grow to 15,000 over time.

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  1. Maybe 25% of that filled by Texans by TheHawke · · Score: 2

    The rest will be imports from Cali and overseas. The 25% would be support and/or maintenance crews, and MAYBE a smattering of B- and C- level execs to keep the masses happy.

      Apple's after the lower wage and tax brackets, so it makes sense they would make this kind of move.

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    1. Re: Maybe 25% of that filled by Texans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple does not have ulterior motives. They are all about UX and they go to cities that support their mission. It is that simple. When the town council tries to make back room deals they go elsewhere. Austin is well aware of what apple would do for the city. And they made it simple for apple

    2. Re: Maybe 25% of that filled by Texans by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      They still watch out for their bottom line and stock value. So, if they can save megabucks with a move towards a state that has a lower tax bracket, then they'll jump. Texas is that magnet state right now, and looking at the mass exodus from Cali to Texas, I'd say yes, they are.

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    3. Re: Maybe 25% of that filled by Texans by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Companies always have ulterior motives. Unless you're saying Apple isn't worried about their shareholders?

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    4. Re:Maybe 25% of that filled by Texans by khb · · Score: 1

      Given Apple's continued work in chip design, along with the existing pool of chip design talent in Texas ... I'd have guessed more than 25% would be locals (if not born in Austin, already present, educated, and employed ;>). Sounds like a good move for Apple, and good for Texas as well.

  2. Poaching Dell Employees? by crow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is close to Dell's headquarters, so this is a great chance for Apple to poach Dell's best employees. As a Dell employee myself (not in Texas), this can be good, as Dell may be pushed to increase pay and benefits.

    1. Re:Poaching Dell Employees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Austin is already home to over 6k Apple employees; second largest Apple footprint outside their HQ in Cupertino.

    2. Re:Poaching Dell Employees? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Apple sells designer hardware that's WAY over priced. Dell's business model is the exact opposite from Apple.

      Dell sells servers - Apple does not.
      Dell sells Windows PCs - Apple does not.
      Dell is diversified for the corporate enterprise market as an IT solution provider - Apple is not.
      Dell sell cheaper hardware that's functional and modular - Apple does not, they're stuff is expensive and proprietary.

      It's like saying Harley Davidson will open up an office next to Toyota and poach the best employees. WTF?? No, they wont

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  3. Texas isn't that conservative by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We don't want the capital of Texas to turn into the bay area.

    "We"? Speak for yourself and only for yourself. Your opinion is not widely shared in Austin. People have been moving to Austin in droves precisely because it is a good place to live, the city is (mostly) well run, and there are great jobs to be had there as a tech hub. If that's not your brand of vodka, fine but that's your problem.

    You can keep your leftist attitudes and taxes where they are.

    A) You being uncomfortable with someone who isn't a conservative is your problem, not anyone else's
    B) Evidently you've never actually been to Austin if you think it's overrun by conservatives. Hell I consider it a bastion of sanity in Texas.
    C) The notion that Texas is uniformly conservative is a ridiculous myth. At most it's around 58%/42% skewing conservative based on recent election results.

    1. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We don't want the capital of Texas to turn into the bay area.

      "We"? Speak for yourself and only for yourself. Your opinion is not widely shared in Austin. People have been moving to Austin in droves precisely because it is a good place to live, the city is (mostly) well run, and there are great jobs to be had there as a tech hub. If that's not your brand of vodka, fine but that's your problem.

      You can keep your leftist attitudes and taxes where they are.

      A) You being uncomfortable with someone who isn't a conservative is your problem, not anyone else's B) Evidently you've never actually been to Austin if you think it's overrun by conservatives. Hell I consider it a bastion of sanity in Texas. C) The notion that Texas is uniformly conservative is a ridiculous myth. At most it's around 58%/42% skewing conservative based on recent election results.

      The things that are attracting Apple to there - the low taxes and so forth - are due to the conservatism.

      Remove the conservatism, you remove what is attracting them to there.

    2. Re: Texas isn't that conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From an outside of California perspective, the last thing Texans want is to have the same problems California has.

      California refugees moving to Texas flush with cash after selling their homes for 1M+ do nothing but drive up home prices to the point where no one except said refugees can afford to buy one. I'm sure the news of Apple showing up just jumped the housing prices in that area a bit.

      Once the home prices make the jump, salaries have to follow suit or your employees can't afford to live nearby.

      As home values skyrocket, so do property taxes which eventually forces out the folks who bought their homes many years ago at a reasonable price. Great for the folks making big $$$, not so much for everyone else.

      Bottom line: We see the shithole that places like San Francisco has become and we want no part of it. Fix your own problems instead of bringing them with you and infecting the rest of the country.

      Afterthought:

      CA types will freak the hell out once they see what their property taxes are going to be. ( uncapped and can / do increase at a rate of 10% per year ) The traffic will also be a religous experience as well.

    3. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, you mean the low taxes fueled by all that black stuff in the ground. Remove the conservatism and Texas would be doing even better.

    4. Re: Texas isn't that conservative by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Oh yah those low taxes are so great. The potholes in the streets in my hometown are intense cause all these cheap stingy rednecks

      I see; so you think Apple is attracted by the potholes instead of the low taxes.

    5. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Austin is a nice place because it's (was) run by conservatives. Remove those and Austin becomes the California hellhole that everyone was escaping in the first place. Leftists don't like to live under left wing governments. If that was the case, there would be massive emigration to Venezuela.

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    6. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Netherlands, Sweden, and France are leftist by US standards, and the average resident is quite happy with that fact. Look at France -- people are taking to the streets because Emanuel "Bankster" Macron wants to take the country to the right economically. The anger isn't about fuel taxes, it's about tax cuts for the rich and service cuts in rural areas.

    7. Re: Texas isn't that conservative by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I'm in Texas and you're right, we don't want smarter, sexier, better California types moving in and fucking our ugly women in Texas. It's hard enough keeping them in the barn as is, and we're mostly all related.

      You know, one thing that Texas has in abundance, that I wish I had growing up in California or New York, are pretty women. They are everywhere.

      There's lots of bad here: the roads are grossly inadequate for the volume of traffic, there does not seem to exist the concept of city planning or traffic planning, shit just gets built wherever and the roads never really can grow large enough; The heat is crippling, a summer in Austin is equivalent to the deepest darkest winter in Antarctica, you just stay inside in the AC and hibernate until November arrives; good food selection is primarily limited to tex-mex and a limited few BBQ places; there are more pickup trucks than there is lumber to haul, most of them are far too nice to actually put to work, they're just for show or "to feel safe on the road"; and finally the redneck coalition is strong when you step foot outside of a city.

      But one thing that is not a fair criticism of Texas or particularly Austin, is the number of pretty women. Anyone moving here from the sausage fest that is the bay area would be in for quite a treat.

      I don't know where you actually live, but it isn't Austin.

    8. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Yeah and try immigrating to any of those countries if you aren't some dark skinned person with a sob-story from Africa or the Middle East. I lived in Norway for a few years and I can tell you that they have super-restrictive immigration laws. For example, you can only change your immigration status if you go back to the country you came from first and do so in the Norwegian consulate *there*. Imagine if we had that policy in the US. The last time Norway opened loosened immigration was in the 1970's when Pakistan and India where kicking the shit out of each other, they got a huge influx of what *they* call "Pakis" and "Yellow People". Yep. Your super-enlightened "socialists" are racists, too. Every time someone was robbed or stabbed it was in the papers and you'd hear speculation in public about which country the perp was from. It was clear to me within days of being there that "Pakis" were the most hated population in the country. Norway only had around 4 million people when I lived there (still similar now); so any little crime was usually a big story. Scandinavia is a very nice place to live, but it's not because it's some kind of liberal paradise. In Norway's case, it's because every year the government makes about $100,000 for every person in the country from North Sea oil revenues. They don't have open borders there, even in a place that has some of the most resources to do so. Also, I notice you didn't really address the OP's reference to Venezuela. After all, their form of Socialism seemed a lot more pure and honest than what they do in France, Netherlands, or Sweden who are all Democratic countries with a lot more capitalism in play versus Venezuela. The question seems like a valid one, to me, but only seems to troll the leftists. *shrug*

    9. Re: Texas isn't that conservative by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      I'm from Texas (born and raised). I grew up in the North of the state where there are tons of small towns which have no college nearby. Most of them move to Amarillo or Lubbock to go to school. Those places are absolutely filled with hot women and I absolutely loved it and too maximum advantage of it. Texas has it's warts. My least favorite thing is their intolerance of freaky people (though my fellow metal-heads are strong in Texas and tend to just beat the shit out of mouthy shit-kicking rednecks for fun, sport, and profit). However, no matter how much a person can hate rednecks or Texas you'd have to be blind or hard-core queer not to notice the beautiful women.

    10. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      They have basically open immigration within the EU, which has 512 million people. This would be equivalent to Canada (36 million), the US (325 million), Mexico (129 million), and Central America (41 million) not requiring work, residency, and settlement visas to move to any country within the bloc.

      France, Sweden, and the Netherlands are actually more open to immigration than the US.

    11. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Do you actually believe your own bullshit here or are you just getting desperate after appearing so foolish and getting stuffed so completely? Seriously? You are going to sell people moving around the fucking *EU* as immigration? Buwahaha. Puhleeese. That's one of the most pathetic arguments I've ever heard. That's like saying the states in the US are "immigrating" as they cross state lines. They are under the *same jurisdiction* for immigration law. Notice I said "dark skinned people from Africa" not "Zophia the Polish laundry girl from the other side of the EU".

    12. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      The things that are attracting Apple to there - the low taxes and so forth - are due to the conservatism.

      Remove the conservatism, you remove what is attracting them to there.

      I'm sure they could have found a place with even lower taxes. In today's economy, the important thing is having a large pool of skilled workers which I bet is why Apple is moving there. of course, Austin has those workers because of the University and also probably associated liberalism typically found in an college town which draws in people from not only the rest of Texas and the South, but makes it palitable to people from other parts of the nation.

    13. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The EU isn't like US states -- EU countries are still sovereign, have their own foreign policy, some even have their own currencies that float against the Euro. This is closer to North America and Central America becoming one bloc for the purposes of immigration, work permits, and residence permits.

    14. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Keep tap dancing. US States would argue they are still sovereign, too. How sovereign are EU states when Germany and France can force them to change their budget?

    15. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      More sovereign than US states, where Federal subsidies can be taken away for trivial things like setting the drinking age at age 19 vs age 21. But, you say, they're subsidies, not mandates. Well, where do you think the money from the subsidies comes from? Direct taxation of state residents/citizens, that's where. "We'll steal your money, and we may return some or all of it if you play nice."

      PS, if you're going to talk about Polish laundry girls, at least spell their names right. It's "Zofia", "Pani Zofia", or "Zosia" to you...

    16. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Lol. The Polish girl's name was one I got from a list online. If there is a misspelling, my apologies to the Zofias of the world. My understanding is that Polish has many non-English letters and must be transliterated rather than translated. Thus, there is no "correct" spelling. It's up to the person doing the transliteration.

    17. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Polish uses the Latin alphabet with diacritical marks optional on some letters and without the letters Q. V. and X. W is pronounced like V in English, a crossed L is pronounced like W in English. "Ph" would not be a valid letter combination for generating an F sound. i.e. "Physics" is spelled "Fizyka" not "Phisyca" in Polish.

    18. Re:Texas isn't that conservative by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      Not being Polish, I'll definitely take your word for it. I like Poland and Texas. I don't like people messing with either one, but I only have experience with Texas.

  4. Re:Please, PLEASE. by AsylumWraith · · Score: 1

    Not the only one. Although they're not nearly as left-leaning, Dallas, (but NOT Fort Worth,) and San Antonio are both blue areas.

  5. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1, Troll

    You are right to be concerned. I'm from Texas but lived in Colorado for the last 20 years. It went from a red state to a blue state in that time and the Commiefornians are coming here in droves and have thoroughly changed the place for the worse. It's amazing that they ruin their own beautiful state with sky high taxes, hordes of illegals & homeless folks they created, brain dead regulation, zoning laws that gentrify areas + lock-out new home building, and then they want to come here and make all the same mistakes. Too bad they can't just stay there and stew in the hell they created for themselves. It's so unfortunate that people come to Texas to take advantage of the low taxes and more reasonable levels of regulation but then seem to think "Hey, let's make this into California since it worked out so well there!"

  6. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not here. This isn't as bad as Amazon coming in, but please, not here. We don't want the capital of Texas to turn into the bay area. You can keep your leftist attitudes and taxes where they are.

    It is how I feel about all the Texans moving to where I live. We sure as fuck don't want their inbred ideals. And why can't a Texan ever tell the truth? The way to tell they are lying is whenever they open their mouths. Just a state of cowards.

  7. Farm by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    IS Austn getting anything out of the deal, or have they sold the farm? Kind of funny Apple would set up shop with employees being so hard to attract right no

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    1. Re:Farm by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      Possibility: If Apple throws thousands of (temporary?) jobs to the USA then the American government will drop the tax on Apple imports from China. And the cities getting those (minimum wage) jobs will give tax breaks that pay for the jobs.

    2. Re:Farm by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Apple got $25M from a state-level fund, and is angling for a 15-year tax abatement on the property. Not sure which tax authority (or authorities) that applies to (city, county, school districts, etc.)

    3. Re:Farm by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      These companies were never supposed to get this big.

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  8. Re:Please, PLEASE. by tungstencoil · · Score: 1

    While I respect your opinion and point of view, I really hate NIMBY folks. It's like, "Austin is nice now that *I'm* here, so please stop all progress." I like progress. Some aspects are good, some bad, but in general, it's for me. I'll strongly disagree with you, and also disagree that progress and growth has to equate us turning into the Bay Area.

  9. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes. Beto won Austin, and other major cities in Texas, handily.

    https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas-senate

  10. Re:Please, PLEASE. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Houston is also a very liberal city.

    The only reason Texas is considered a "red" state is because of gerrymandering. It's changing, and fast. Soon, Texas will go back to being a Democratic state.

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  11. Re:Please, PLEASE. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    I'll strongly disagree with you, and also disagree that progress and growth has to equate us turning into the Bay Area.

    Just to hedge my bets, I'm registering austinpoopmap.com!

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  12. Re:15,000 jobs by sinij · · Score: 1

    They said jobs, so it is at least 10x number of gender studies graduates as 9 out of 10 of these are unemployed and trolling social media full time.

  13. Re:Please, PLEASE. by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 1

    Considering that Austin is described as the blueberry in the tomato soup, it's already the bay area.

  14. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    But you pussy liberals have to go to Texas to acquire your energy needs. Which by the way is being produced in a number of different ways. Including renewable.
    Funny, listing off the top 10 states that produce renewable energy. Texas is there, FUCKING CALIFORNIA IS NOT. Yup, those god damn hill billy's are producing more renewable energy then you bigoted fucking pussy liberals.
    https://www.renewableenergywor...

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  15. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by pgmrdlm · · Score: 2

    Sorry, I see California now. Must have missed them due to them caring more about bullet trains then their huge homeless problem they don't give a fuck about.
    What ever, you cunt liberals still import 45 percent of your energy from other states.
    Yet, beyond power rates 45% above the U.S. average, California has another problem that makes it less of a model than some proclaim. California now imports 33% of its electricity supply from fast growing neighbors, with about 65% of that coming from the Southwest and 35% coming from the Northwest. These numbers increase most in summer months when air conditioning loads peak. Imports have been rising rapidly: in 2010, California "only" imported 25% of its power.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2016/04/03/californias-growing-imported-electricity-problem/#382edfd64469

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  16. Re:Please, PLEASE. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    And then people can crap on the sidewalks at will, like Cali!

    It's amusing how people in red states view California.

    We try not to disabuse them of those notions because we don't want them coming here.

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  17. Re:Please, PLEASE. by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

    Except that's really how bad some of the areas in LA, SF and SD actually are. Hell, we had a really bad hepatitis outbreak in SD because of our homeless problems. This stuff is actually happening.

    I can't comment on Texas but being in San Diego can definitely comment on California and SD.

  18. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

    We use to have brownouts back then. I haven't had any issues in my area of San Diego for quite a while. You are still right about all you said though.

  19. Re:Please, PLEASE. by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

    That's unfortunately why there is no real reason for me to leave San Diego. All the places I may want to move to for cost of living and lower taxes are well on their way to being made into California, but without the awesome weather San Diego has.

    I would tolerate snow for a better overall standard of life, but that's not actually available anymore unless you really go to the middle of no where.

    I'll just stay in my condo and dream of a massive market crash as it will be the only way I will get into a house. EVER.

    Luckily, it is coming. Bought my condo in the last crash and can't wait for the next crash to get into a small house.

  20. Re:Please, PLEASE. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Hell, we had a really bad hepatitis outbreak in SD because of our homeless problems. This stuff is actually happening.

    Yeah, about that "San Diego Hepatitis Outbreak". It's a nationwide outbreak occurring in rural areas of Missouri, Kentucky and Indiana at a higher rate than in any California city. Also, Utah, Arkansas, Florida, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/...

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  21. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    Unlike the AC pussy, I do not think everyone from a group/area is bad. Just the extremists. The AC is a pussy extremist that could not survive on their own. I actually don't care about a persons political leanings. I hate extremist republicans as much as I hate the pussy AC liberal extremist. The AC is a bigot. And the only good bigot is a dead one. Because the AC is a mouth. I am sure they will be dead soon.

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  22. Wrong in all respects by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Apple sells designer hardware that's WAY over priced.

    No, just generally built with better components and engineering.

    Yes they sometimes charge more to upgrade some aspects like RAM, but for the hardware you are getting what you pay for.

    Dell sells servers - Apple does not.

    Apple sells the Mac mini, so you are wrong.

    Dell sells Windows PCs - Apple does not.

    Apple explicitly supports Windows on any Apple desktop hardware, so you are wrong.

    Dell is diversified for the corporate enterprise market as an IT solution provider - Apple is not.

    Well that was sure a load of bullshit, but in any case Apple does have enterprise support in multiple ways, including remote management, and internally facing applications - so you are wrong.

    Dell sell cheaper hardware that's functional and modular - Apple does not

    All Apple hardware is functional. Can you upgrade video cards in Dell laptops? No? HMM, guess they are not ALL modular as you claim then. And Apple will soon have a newer Mac Pro that is fully modular...

    So you are basically on the edge of being wrong there, we'll just call it wrong because of your past errors.

    It's like saying Harley Davidson will open up an office next to Toyota and poach the best employees.

    I think you meant that to sound silly but what would be odd about a company working on very compact internal combustion engines wanting to hire someone who had worked on very compact internal combustion engines?

    Here's my advice to you - if you don't understand computers OR car analogies well, you are better off not posting on Slashdot until you understand at least one well (probably best to start with car analogies, this being Slashdot and all).

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    1. Re:Wrong in all respects by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Yeah. The Mac Pro will be modular, but if you want to replace a module yourself, you'll have to go to an Apple store and beg the "genii" to activate the stinking thing. On a Dell desktop? Plug and play.

    2. Re:Wrong in all respects by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that your Apple stock took a major hit, but that's the risk.

      Fact is, Apple hardware is based on the designer BYOD market. Everything Apple does is antithetical to Dell. Dell sells real PowerEdge servers, complete with fault tollerence PSUs, ECC RAM, expansion, and multi-disk RAID arrays. Many of their laptops in the Latitude lineup (with exception of ultra-light) are serviceable. Apple doesn't view the hardware as the platform, rather an extension of the cloud.

      Big Enterprise and fortune 500 companies will always run Wintel networks. If there's any Apple support, it's minor.

      Apple does NOT run the enterprise IT sphere. GET OVER YOURSELF!

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    3. Re:Wrong in all respects by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Calling the Mac Mini a server is so laughable it discredits your entire post.

  23. It's about talent, not taxes by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The things that are attracting Apple to there - the low taxes and so forth - are due to the conservatism.

    Umm, no. The reason Apple is interested is because there is a lot of tech talent already there and the city knows how to work with big tech companies productively. Furthermore Apple is ALREADY big in Austin with over 6000 employees currently. Any other reasons are minor in comparison. Taxes played at most a minor role in why tech talent is in Austin. Apple is interested in the area because a lot of other tech companies (Amazon, Dell, Intel, Oracle, IBM, Indeed, Electronic Arts, Facebook, National Instruments, etc) have already established there and they can get the talent they need. There also is a company that comparatively few have heard of called Trilogy that did a lot back around the dotcom boom to bring high level talent to the area.

  24. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    Do you live here? Next to Apple's campus at Riata is Oracle, up the street is Flextronics. Cadence has a building in that general area, IBM has a few locations, Synopsys is down on Mopac near Intel, ARM is down the street from them (I think they're still there, they were moving to a larger building I thought a few years ago). AMD has a huge ass campus down south, along with Freescale. Dell is all up and down I-35. Those are just a few.

    Texas made the choice of attracting out of state businesses with low taxes, at the expense of normalizing its politics with the rest of the US. It was a very profitable decision, particularly within Austin. It is unfortunate perhaps for some of the natives, that educated workers tend to lean left, in spite of making well above average salaries and having more to lose by wretched socialism. But yes, it will drive Texas back towards the center. Arizona is going to have the same problem in another ten years.

    You're free to move to the south-east, they have firmly decided they want no money and would rather hold true to their values, although I would not include Florida in that, they are far too intertwined with the rest of the world to remain reliably conservative.

  25. Re:Please, PLEASE. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    We don't want the capital of Texas to turn into the bay area.

    There's no danger of that, because there's no bay. Just a dinky little lake.

    You can keep your leftist attitudes and taxes where they are.

    Austin is already quite leftist, especially compared to the rest of Texas, and Texas itself would already be a blue state if not for gerrymandering — albeit by a slight margin. As a Californian I had no trouble fitting in with the native nerds. In fact, I was more socially successful there and among them than among my native, Californian geeks.

    I left because the weather sucked, but if it's going to suck everywhere...

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  26. Californication by Joshs922 · · Score: 2

    This will contribute to the further Californication of Texas.

    1. Re:Californication by Joshs922 · · Score: 1

      Right, Texas, home of NASA, is inhabited by a bunch of stupid dinosaurs.

    2. Re:Californication by Joshs922 · · Score: 1

      I was born in California and have lived there for many years. If that's what your civilized future looks like, you can have it.

    3. Re:Californication by Joshs922 · · Score: 1

      Sure. I suppose Dell, Texas Instruments, Lockheed Martin, and Bell Helicopter Textron are all renters too. And all the idiots building the F-16s and F-35s. And only a failed backwards state would produce the most wind power in the nation, would have towns called Silicon Hills (Austin) and the Silicon Prairie (Dallas), have three Carnegie Tier One Research institutions, and have the world's largest concentration of research and healthcare institutions (Texas Medical Center), perform the most heart transplants in the world, be home to the largest airline in the United States, have the second highest GSP in the nation at nearly $2T, a 6.4% unemployment rate, the joint-highest number of Fortune 500 companies in it (along with California), be the number 1 state in ag revenue, leading the nation in the production of a list of products so long there isn't room on Slashdot to list them all, and the second highest population of millionaires in the nation.

  27. Re:Please, PLEASE. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    You have the wrong approach. Buy five condos in the next crash and rent them out. Then live rent-free in your condo, using the monthly rent checks to cover your HOA, tax, and mortgage, hopefully with a few thousand per month left over.

  28. Texas has oil by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Texas has been prosperous precisely because of fiscal conservatism.

    Texas has been prosperous because it has a about 1/3 of US oil reserves and oil is doing well. 4 of the 5 largest companies based in Texas are oil and gas companies. That's how they can get away with the tax policies they do. Many other states don't have massive oil reserves to take up the slack. If conservatism were such a boon then how do you explain California which clearly is not conservative leaning having a far larger economy than Texas despite having higher tax burdens as a general proposition?

  29. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    California is a nice place, but has too many NIMBY cowards. They should be planning to replace San Onofre with a newer-generation reactor, not closing it down without plans for replacement.

  30. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    You know the best part of this conversation with the liberal bigot. He ASSUMES(just made an ass out of him) that I live in Texas. I just am just not a dumb fuck like him and can look up non biased references to back up what I have to say. The only thing this cunt can do is show their true colors as a bigot. Dead bigots = Good bigots.

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  31. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    We don't want the capital of Texas to turn into the bay area. You can keep your leftist attitudes and taxes where they are.

    Then grow some balls, learn from the French and go out there and break something. Bring all your buddies. Burn some shit down. Go torch a couple of Apple stores. They will get the message quick and retreat. Note how quickly Macron folded and gave up his fossil fuel Climate Tax once a couple hundred thousand Frenchies took to the streets.

    Problem with you red state "conservatives" is that all you do is sit on you fat asses drinking beer and watching NASCAR. You don't actually *do* anything when action is needed. Only whine and gripe on your keyboard and talk radio.

    BTW I'm completely serious, if you get even 10,000 angry marchers I'll bet you Apple leaves town in a hurry.

  32. Re:Please, PLEASE. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    The marches in France aren't only angry about the fuel tax. The fuel tax was the straw that broke the camel's back. The real issues are tax cuts for the very rich and corporations combined with service cuts in areas that aren't Paris or the coastal South. The protests in France are actually LEFTIST in nature.

  33. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    "Anonymous COWARD" is about right. They should build a coal-belching plant up the street from you. Fukushima was a badly-designed 1960s-era nuclear power plant -- new plants have much better engineering than v. 1.0.

  34. Adding one more wrong thing? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The Mac Pro will be modular, but if you want to replace a module yourself, you'll have to go to an Apple store and beg the "genii" to activate the stinking thing.

    Just as you can use standard RAM in Apple hardware today that you can buy from any source, or attach any monitor you like to any Mac, you'll be able to use standard components in the new Mac Pro....

    So you are wrong. Again.

    Like I said, start with learning about cars.

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  35. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    The future should be renewables AND nuclear. It's the fossil fools and fossil farts (coal, natural gas) that need to be phased out.

  36. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    Those brownouts were during the wonderful Pete Wilson republican halcyon days when deregulation would solve all of Cali's energy problems. Remember Enron?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  37. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    Interesting. That's solid logic, at least. For all the bad parts of California, it's hard to argue about the weather. It's awesome. Snow can be fun if you have some mountains to go with it. Snow in Kansas, well.... Uh, maybe have a snowball fight? When it comes to dreaming of buying a house, I'm in the same boat. Where I live with my low six-figure salary - there is little chance it'll happen without some severe re-adjustment in prices.

  38. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Overturn Jimmy "Peanutboy" Carter's edict about reprocessing. Waste = new fuel. Store what remains underground.

  39. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    Many more people move INTO Texas, dumbfuck. Nobody is clamoring to move to your shit hole state. They are probably leaving just to get away from people like you.

  40. Noooo by AdamStarks · · Score: 1

    This is rather close to where I live, so I expect to see my already rising property value shoot up, along with traffic levels. If we were looking to sell the house, it'd be one thing, but we aren't, so it's another.

    1. Re:Noooo by Megane · · Score: 1

      I left two years ago and went back to San Antonio, but due to family reasons. I sold a house in that area back in May 2016 for twice (gross) what I paid for it 15 years earlier. It wasn't quite as far as 620, but it was far enough out that I might even get Google Fiber sooner that I would have if I had stayed in Austin. And traffic? Hell yeah, that area only has 183 and Parmer to get you through, squeezed between hills to the southwest, and the undeveloped Robertson Ranch to the northeast. Have they started rebuilding that last horrible mile of Anderson Mill at 183 yet? The main thing that I miss is being 10 minutes away from Fry's; now I have to wait until I'm going up for something else.

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  41. Re:Please, PLEASE. by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    Speak for yourself. I want more jobs to move into the area for which I'm at least marginally qualified. I also own property; to the extent it increases cost-of-living, it also causes my property to appreciate.

  42. Re:It's just Texas, that's what they do. by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    All infested whores are AC liberals. How many infected cocks have you fucked bitch?

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  43. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    My French friends in the Amiga scene say it's over immigration. They are tired of being inundated with North Africans and Middle Eastern folks and they think Macron just wants to push down wages for the working class using migrants. That definitely worked here in the USA with Mexico and other South American migration. If you watch the leftist media they claim the Yellow Vests are leftists. If you watch right winger media they claim they are all on *their* side. My guess is that it's a reflection of a cross section. Given that the French are politically left of center as a group, they are mostly leftists. However, that partisan shit isn't a good way to look at anything (ask the Greeks). I'd say that the French people just finally got fed up over a whole host of issues.

  44. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

    You nailed it. It's like any /. story on systemd. You can bet there won't be any mods with leftover points after something like and that the final score of any individual comment will simply be based on which enraged group of partisans had the most mod points at the time when the article was published.

  45. Re:Please, PLEASE. by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 1

    Why do you have to reply to my comments with this crap? I'm not creimer.

  46. I see, Dell is known for super high quality, hmmm by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry that your Apple stock took a major hit, but that's the risk.

    Has it? I wouldn't know, I just buy it every so often and in 20-30 years I may sell some.

    The dividends certainly have not taken any hits, they keep increasing...

    Thanks for reminding me to buy some more with the dividends, if it's really down I am in luck!

    Fact is, Apple hardware is based on the designer BYOD market. Everything Apple does is antithetical to Dell. Dell sells real PowerEdge servers, complete with fault tollerence PSUs, ECC RAM,

    I thought you were going to say Dell was antithetical to Apple because it was mostly super cheap and crappy. Imagine my surprise when you went the other way arguing Dell has higher quality systems! Ok, you do you I guess!

    By the way, Apple uses ECC RAM in a number of pro products... If you didn't even know that why on earth should I, or anyone, take anything you have to say seriously?

    Even though I didn't read the rest of it, just what you wrote there sure seems to point to Apple being able to make great use of the people at Dell that do work on higher end systems.

    Apple does also design their own chips as well you know, and I'm certain there are a lot of firmware developers at Dell that probably know what they are doing.

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  47. Re:Please, PLEASE. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    There really is no honest measure of "freedoms" by which Texas could be said to be better off than California.

    Really?

    Try buying and even carrying the same guns and knives in CA that you are free to do in TX for one example.

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  48. Re:Please, PLEASE. by Megane · · Score: 2

    Austin is the containment zone for the caravans of California liberals who flood in.

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