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50 Years On, We're Living the Reality First Shown At the 'Mother of All Demos' (arstechnica.com)

Thelasko quotes a report from Ars Technica: A half century ago, computer history took a giant leap when Douglas Engelbart -- then a mid-career 43-year-old engineer at Stanford Research Institute in the heart of Silicon Valley -- gave what has come to be known as the "mother of all demos." On December 9, 1968 at a computer conference in San Francisco, Engelbart showed off the first inklings of numerous technologies that we all now take for granted: video conferencing, a modern desktop-style user interface, word processing, hypertext, the mouse, collaborative editing, among many others. Even before his famous demonstration, Engelbart outlined his vision of the future more than a half-century ago in his historic 1962 paper, "Augmenting Human Intellect: A Conceptual Framework."

To open the 90-minute-long presentation, Engelbart posited a question that almost seems trivial to us in the early 21st century: "If in your office, you as an intellectual worker were supplied with a computer display, backed up by a computer that was alive for you all day, and was instantly responsible -- responsive -- to every action you had, how much value would you derive from that?" By 1968, Engelbart had created what he called the "oN-Line System," or NLS, a proto-Intranet. The ARPANET, the predecessor to the Internet itself, would not be established until late the following year.

82 comments

  1. And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When can I time travel to December 8, 1968, and kill that bastard before he delivers his talk?

    1. Re: And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes

    2. Re:And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your grows to more than 1.5 inches in length.

    3. Re:And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When can I time travel to December 8, 1968, and kill that bastard before he delivers his talk?

      .
      .

      You're just jealous of the guy because he accomplished many worthwhile things whereas you have not.

      How pathetic it must be to be you.

    4. Re:And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the dude died pretty much forgotten and unknown by most people. Anyone who did remember him mostly thought he was a crank near the end of his life.

    5. Re: And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His grows?

    6. Re:And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously won't because if you had then he wouldn't have given his talk. Maybe you died on the way there?

    7. Re: And what a piece of shit reality it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many will remember you? Probably a lot less I am guessing.

    8. Re: And what a piece of shit reality it is. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The fact is that many of the technologies we take for granted now we're at least conceptualized if not outright demoed during that heady period of computer research in the 1950s and 1960s. Things like virtualizationation, parallel processing, OCR and the like were known quantities, at least on paper or in simulations years before Intel rolled the first integrated CPUs out. As much as anything, the key piece that brought computers to our homes and ultimately our pockets was the fabrication and minuturization processes. There's not much a modern computer does now that would surprise a researcher in the late 1960s.

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  2. We've gone Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but over the last 10 years I have witnessed a shocking degradation in the quality and functionality of the software I use on a daily basis. Mostly driven by shockingly poor UI choices coming from the mobile/tablet sphere, but increasingly driven by the "web app" concept, where bloated, slow, unresponsive online javascript monstrosities pretend to deliver desktop functionality while failing to offer features that were commonplace PC software in 1991.
    Thank God for the Terminal. Without it we wouldn't be able to get anything done these days.

    1. Re:We've gone Backwards by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Englebart also failed to predict that the majority of computer capabilities would be intended to monetize the user.

    2. Re:We've gone Backwards by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More like failed at nothing, since the demo asks: "...what's the product we're providing in this research? It is a sample augmentation system that is provided to augment computer system development. In addition the aim is to provide tools for generating further, improved augmentation systems--bootstrapping." -- THE DEMO

      They had a whole lotta revolutionary stuff (for 1968) to demonstrate first before boring themselves and everyone else with navel-gazing about potential futures of computing. Failed at nothing.

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    3. Re:We've gone Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of computer capabilities do not monetize-the-user. Get yo feckin-A Trotsky-slut azzwhole off FaceBoobz and Twarper. Write some code; write a story. Clean the crufty JS on your website. Then you will start feeling un-monitized.

    4. Re: We've gone Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely YES backwards. Peak ComSci was 1979 post Unix when memory was expensive, cycles 20MHz and software was critical. Possibilities were creative insights, creativity and imagination.

      BUT Intel Inside won, MICROSOFT won and that paradigm leveraged hardware over software.

      Programmers became dime a dozen, languages aplenty and the democracy of a computer on every desk meant the least common denominator won - except for the quants.

    5. Re:We've gone Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hear, hear. Modern user interface design is atrocious. A bunch of idiots just out of school, who blindly copy whatever nonsense Apple comes up with. Even Linux distros aren't immune to it.
      Look at Windows 10 - what a shitfest that is. Atrocious design of dialogue boxes, with no buttons - it seems that buttons are 'old fashioned', and how dare people think they should be able to clearly see what is and isn't a button any more.

    6. Re:We've gone Backwards by sjbe · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but over the last 10 years I have witnessed a shocking degradation in the quality and functionality of the software I use on a daily basis.

      I very much doubt that. While I wouldn't dispute this is true in some cases, it's certainly not true as a general proposition for most people. It sounds to me like you have a problem with changes to your preferences for UI for applications you use which might be a valid complaint in some cases but I very much doubt you have lost meaningful productivity overall. I have the same complaint about some software I use too - there is a lot of form before function shitty UI design going on. But at the end of the day I can do more today with the software I have overall than I could 10 years ago, I can usually do it faster, and better and I suspect you can too.

      Thank God for the Terminal. Without it we wouldn't be able to get anything done these days.

      If you can actually get your job done with a terminal you have a ridiculously narrow job description. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't describe the vast majority of computers users out there including me.

    7. Re:We've gone Backwards by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      What was timesharing but a form of monetization?

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    8. Re:We've gone Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most of the slow and bloating is due to data exfiltration, tracking, analysis, and avertisements for everything you do --- including via software you have paid for.

    9. Re:We've gone Backwards by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      No, that was charge back from departments to the company, even if the company owned the mainframe rather than leased it

  3. 20 years ago called. They want their post back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We had all these things 20 years ago.

    A non-story.

    1. Re:20 years ago called. They want their post back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but now we're LIVING it.

      Now mod me insightful, you cranky person.

    2. Re:20 years ago called. They want their post back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And slashdot is gonna post reminders at every arbitrary base 10 anniversary of any event. Well at least it is better than any post by msmash or AmiMojo.

    3. Re:20 years ago called. They want their post back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had all these things 20 years ago.

      A non-story.

      We had these things. Excluded in areas. Now we have a generation of new adults for whom video conferencing is not just newly ubiquitous, but normal because they've seen it everywhere since they were children, not just in a CEO boardroom.

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  5. Re:creimer is fat and a gay! Everybody say 'Yay!' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm addicted to creimer's booty and I can't give it up!

  6. So, what happened to Engelbart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, why did it take so long to implement his ideas?'

    Also, I thought the U.S. Government invented computer networking.

    1. Re:So, what happened to Engelbart? by goombah99 · · Score: 2

      His crew went to Xerox Parc. The actual realization of desktop computing for the masses was carried out by apple. Englebart was living in the future for a long time before we finally had a macintosh on our own desktop.

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    2. Re: So, what happened to Engelbart? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple had one implementation. Then they started spending a lot of their money trying to prevent other implementations. A lot of us didn't like that. Thank goodness Microsoft/Hewlett-Packard managed to beak their back in the look-and-feel lawsuit. But Apple did a lot of damage in the meantime, running the competitors to Windows on x86 out of business. In a way, Apple created the Wintel monopoly.

    3. Re: So, what happened to Engelbart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a really sick demo if you could demo todayâ(TM)s networking concepts using yesterdayâ(TM)s technology. Even more sick if you could find a way to specifically reproduce todayâ(TM)s apps in yesterdayâ(TM)s tech

    4. Re:So, what happened to Engelbart? by David_Hart · · Score: 3, Informative

      His crew went to Xerox Parc. The actual realization of desktop computing for the masses was carried out by apple. Englebart was living in the future for a long time before we finally had a macintosh on our own desktop.

      I would argue that it's Microsoft that brought desktop computing to the masses. Some would argue that there would have been no Windows without the Mac, but that would be ignoring that both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs visited Xerox Parc and that both understood the importance of what they had seen. It's true that Apple had a product to the market first, but Microsoft Windows became the defacto business OS, reaching way more people than Apple.

    5. Re:So, what happened to Engelbart? by slashnot007 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft did drive down the price but I think your timeline is off. Even at the stage of windows 2, the microsoft version was a joke. It was barely usable, it was barely a graphical interface, but mostly was character generated pseudographics. And Win 2 wasn't even available till 1988. It Wasn't until windows 3 that they started looking a bit more like what people think of as windowed graphics, and even then the fonts were pretty ugly, and you sort had to switch modes to see what your document would look like (ala WordPerfect, the competitor to Word). IN contrast the mac was fully graphical and had gorgeous fonts from day 1, it didn't have a DOS mode sticking out from behind a cheap false front. Window 3 came out in 1990, or 6 years after the 1984 Apple Debut of Lisa/Mac.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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    6. Re:So, what happened to Engelbart? by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      Microsoft did drive down the price but I think your timeline is off. Even at the stage of windows 2, the microsoft version was a joke. It was barely usable, it was barely a graphical interface, but mostly was character generated pseudographics. And Win 2 wasn't even available till 1988. It Wasn't until windows 3 that they started looking a bit more like what people think of as windowed graphics, and even then the fonts were pretty ugly, and you sort had to switch modes to see what your document would look like (ala WordPerfect, the competitor to Word). IN contrast the mac was fully graphical and had gorgeous fonts from day 1, it didn't have a DOS mode sticking out from behind a cheap false front. Window 3 came out in 1990, or 6 years after the 1984 Apple Debut of Lisa/Mac.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I never argued that Apple didn't come first. In fact, I acknowledged this fact. One of my points was that Windows still would have been developed without the Mac OS because both Apple and Microsoft founders saw the same demonstration and realized the importance of the GUI. Yes, it took a few years for Windows to get there, but they did get there. It might have looked different, but it still would have been developed.

      Regardless, my main point was that Windows has had a farther reach and a larger impact, thus trely bringing the desktop to the masses. As we well know, first to market doesn't always equate to becoming the market leader.

    7. Re: So, what happened to Engelbart? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Apple almost immediately sued Microsoft when Windows 2 came out.

    8. Re:So, what happened to Engelbart? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Regardless, my main point was that Windows has had a farther reach and a larger impact, thus trely bringing the desktop to the masses.

      Meh.

      I think it was more of an emergent property than anything else.

      I mean, an awful lot of stuff we seem to regard as groundbreaking is in fact an idea who's time has come. This is not to say that the people involved are not much more skilled and smarter than average. They are, but there's usually a bunch of them and history only remembers the winners.

      This is actually somewhat common with Nobel prizes. Sure those 3 people get the prize. Look deeply and you find there was maybe a larger pool of deserving people, all of whom had seen the potential and were working those few years ahead of everyone else.

      Computing was clearly coming to the masses. And desktops were clearly coming to the masses. All you have to do is look at the mass of excellent also-rans present at the time. I think if you were to knock out either Microsoft, Apple or both from the equation we'd be in a pretty similar place tech wise today with differences only in the details.

      Regardless of what you think of the relative metits of those two, there was feirce competition in the market in the 80s and early 90s.

      On the top end you had the various unix (and other! remember apollo?) vendors pushing their solutions. I doubt they'd ever have won since winning was hitting the commodity end, not the top end but you nver know. Someone might have had that realisation.

      But on the low end there were also lots. Remember what the Amiga looked like in 1987, compared to Windows 2? Or the Atari? Unless you're British you probably won't remember Acorn's RiscOS which was yet another phenomenal one. There were tons of more obscure ones too.

      Any of them could have brought computing to the masses, and in fact Acorn arguably did, given it (well it's spinout's) utter dominance these days.

      My point is, the people who won were very good at their jobs, and only someone that good was going to win. But there were also 10x as many people but for a small quirk of history didn't win, or won something else. Desktop computing would have come either way and at the same time with or without any of the winners.

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    9. Re: So, what happened to Engelbart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that would be 4 years after the first Mac. So maybe they had actually developed IP good enough for a 4 year head start? That's non-trivial.

  7. Facilitating Human Spying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Augmenting Human Intellect: A Conceptual Framework."

    Augmenting intellect is not what the internet is for. Advertising is what the internet is for.

    Unlike every other advertising platform in history, the internet allows for bidirectional communication, which empowers advertisers to spy on their marks directly.

    The internet is the most intrusive advertising platform ever made and the worst invention ever invented.

  8. Not quite the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Engelbart never envisioned:

    o Constant, near inescapable mass surveillance of the whole population via their electronics.

    o Power-grabs by ad agencies over person electronics.

    o Pandering ever more to the dumbest users at the expense of the competent.

    Technically he was ahead of his day. Far ahead. Socially... he had no idea of the dystopia that was coming.

    1. Re:Not quite the same. by mrwireless · · Score: 1

      This still holds true for most people in Silicon Valley today.

    2. Re:Not quite the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Engelbart didn't need to envision those things, Orwell already had.

  9. Still the greatest demo ever. by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm amazed to see articles in the Register and such saying this wasn't so great or that other people deserve credit. Sure he had a supportive govt program manager. But the way you get one of those is to deliver on a vision. and Delivering is harder than it sounds. Sure telefunken might have had a wheeled mouse. Yes V. Bush once imagined some thing called a "memex", as did a few sci fi writers. Really if you want the true vision that foreshadowed this have a look at the reading tablets and terminals of Kubrick's 2001

    I think what people really can't fathom today is what things were like at the time. at that time the vast majority of people with big projects to run were still submitting jobs on punch cards. interactivity wasn't anyones daily experience, Teletype 110 baud terminals were starting to get common for dial-up time sharing. But you didn't have these on your desk.There was one down on the 3rd floor and people took turns using it. In a few very wealthy places There were some dumb character terminals and some vector graphics storage scopes but windows? Hyperlinks? on screen picture-in-a-picture video conferencing? Simultaneous text editing by many people. What he was showing was Arthur C Clark's definition of magic.

    Now imagine pulling a stunt like that live!

        For context, Most professional people even as late as the year 2000 still would not trust a laptop to give a presentation-- viewgraphs were the only way to be sure your presentation didn't crash or fail to project.

    It was an event that's never been equaled in technology integration and showmanship using stuff 30 years in advance

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    1. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People also don't appreciate the question Englebart posed. It's in the summary above. No one even knew what productivity enhancement was possible from an interactive computer. There wasn't even a visi-calc back then. He didn't just live in a world with a text editor or visicalc. He immersed himself and his team in a world not just where streaming video, and tactile control of the computer (mice and buttons), and hyper links existed, but they were available on your desktop. No one had any idea what that would be like. How useful might that be?

      in short, desktop computing. Seems mundane when you boil it down to that. But we didn't get there for decades and he had been there and had come back to planet earth to tell us about it.

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    2. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by slashnot007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I keep trying to imagine what it must have been like to see all that and working so seamlessly. What demo has been that mind expanding. Steve job's iphone demo was pretty insane, just scrolling through text with your finger and even the little flourish of the text bouncing when you hit the end was a real mind expanding moment the first time you got to think about having that in your pocket. But that's small potatoes. And also potatoes that while a few years ahead of the norm, wasn't foreseable. Englebarts demo was like.... I'm just not coming up with anything at all. Okay it would be like if someone had just invented the steam engine, and looked up to see Sir Englebart demonstrating his gasoline propelled new ornithopter. Not just demonstrating it, but just casually using it as a convenient way to get to town to buy a sack of potatoes for his evening meal and to perhaps plant some seeds in his fields. A glimpse into the future of what steam engines would achieve.

    3. Re: Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is an excellent question. Imagine now, the concept of a demo of that quality, but specifically tailored in a number of unusually ways to the audience. A system that could change productivity by multiple orders of magnitude That is what some of the most innovative are capable of

    4. Re: Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      You are a fucking drooling retard. You were impressed by scrolling text? You are literally too stupid to exist and I'm glad I don't know you in real life

    5. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "For context, Most professional people even as late as the year 2000 still would not trust a laptop to give a presentation-- viewgraphs were the only way to be sure your presentation didn't crash or fail to project."

      Viewgraphs. Harharhehehehoho. You give away what company you work for right there ...

    6. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      "Really if you want the true vision that foreshadowed this have a look at the reading tablets and terminals of Kubrick's 2001"

      See, that's a problem. Kubrick's 2001 is NOT THE SAME as Clark's 2001. You want a 10 year leap forward in cinema, cite Kubrick. You want a multi decade leap in tech, cite Clark.

      Yes there were Kubrick bits added in there, but the source and inspiration was all Clark. The author of the book.

    7. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

      I agree that it is pretty unique from the point of pulling together so many things at once.

      However, it was also a different time in engineering R&D. They routinely built and tested things that they didn't know for sure would work. Develop, build, test, develop, build, test, that was the way of the world. Their idea of a demo was usually a major test or unveiling that sometimes had about as much chance of really working as this demo. In that light, I'd think either the first fission or fusion bomb demos or one of the many rocket tests were of bigger import. In the same time frame, the Apollo missions were all very risky demos of great import.

      Just saying, I don't know if you can call it the greatest demo ever. Perhaps the greatest demo ever done on a computer, but that's pretty limited in the world of demos.

    8. Re: Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You did know him in a previous life. He stole your girlfriend for kicks and got better grades than you in metal shop and Home Ec

    9. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no "Clark's 2001". There was Clark's "The Sentinel". Glad to help.

    10. Re: Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you understand Apple's target market, and why they can fleece these people for $1000+ every single year.

    11. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PSST. It's Clarke not Clark. Glad to help.

    12. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There was no "Clark's 2001"

      Yes, there is.

      It was written simultaneously with the film production, and came out after the film's release.

    13. Re: Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole reason I buy apple is that I get more than $1 worth of enjoyment out of seeing steam come out of the ears of people like you who think I i'm wasting my money. Why should you be steamed because I mis-spent or you think I did? I easily meet 1000 of you every year so it's paid for itself.

    14. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed to see articles in the Register and such saying this wasn't so great or that other people deserve credit.

      El Reg simultaneously had an article "debunking" Engelbart ... and another one praising the "inventor of the word processor" (who really sorta wasn't).

    15. Re:Still the greatest demo ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Englebarts demo was like.... I'm just not coming up with anything at all.

      Maybe something like aviator pioneer Alberto Santos Dumont (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Santos-Dumont) did, when he used his ultra-light airplane Demoiselle to casually travel around Europe or visit his friends... in the early 1900's. Airplane were JUST invented, and they were far from practical (i.e launched by catapults, had low power and autonomy).

      It was like seeing, today, someone wear an Iron Man suit and fly away like it was nothing.

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  11. Leveraged Value by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Now so many entities are leveraging the value from the machines that were originally dedicated to their users.

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    1. Re:Leveraged Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now so many entities are leveraging the value from the machines that were originally dedicated to their users.

      Now so many assholes are leveraging the value from the machines that were originally dedicated to their users.

      There, FTFY.

    2. Re:Leveraged Value by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

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  13. Sorry, No It's Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That honor goes to Thomas Edison.

    In order to demonstrate the dangers of his bitter rival Tesla's alternating-current (AC) technology, Edison had a live elephant electrocuted to death using AC current in a gaudy carnival-like public demonstration.

    Instead of causing all to reject Tesla's AC tech in horror, it started a series of events that lead to the "electric chair" as a means of execution.

    1. Re:Sorry, No It's Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, urban legend.
      Historians point out that Edison was never at Luna Park and the electrocution of Topsy took place ten years after the War of Currents

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2. Re:Sorry, No It's Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's what all the Edison apologists try to say but it's all a bunch of revisionist history.

  14. Original Site with annotations by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately the videos are in Flash format, but the annotations are quite informative and interesting:

    https://web.stanford.edu/dept/...

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  15. Re:We are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, we're not.

    Slashdot of 15 years ago celebrated nerds and technology which was accessible to ordinary nerds. These days Slashdot does nothing except pander to Silicon Valley tech mogul billionaires.

  16. Re:creimer is fat and a gay! Everybody say 'Yay!' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nay. You can never have too much of a phat bootay!

  17. Re: We are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monetize is not a word stop using it.part of the problem

  18. Obligatory xkcd by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny
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    1. Re:Obligatory xkcd by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2

      You mean this one: https://xkcd.com/1234/

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  19. Re: We are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > Monetize is not a word stop using it.part of the problem

    Try looking in a fucking dictionary.

  20. Re: We are? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And spaces after periods. Please.

    (I know...but I'm drunk.)

  21. From Jacquard Loom to Instagram by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    In many ways, modern computing started with the Jacquard Loom, which was a technology to mass-produce digitized pictures. Today, it looks like the most important application of computers is posting pictures of one's posterior. We've gone a full circle, and in the process ended up staring at our own behind.

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  22. Instantly responsive? by phaserbanks · · Score: 1

    Maybe if you're running Windows 3.1

  23. All commerce is "monetizing the user" by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Englebart also failed to predict that the majority of computer capabilities would be intended to monetize the user.

    Why would this even be worth mentioning? ALL commerce is some form of "monetizing the user". A farmer buying seeds from the local co-op is being "monetized". Yeah some angles of it have turned out to be creepier than we should prefer but none of it should be surprising.

    1. Re:All commerce is "monetizing the user" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Was it clear that this sort of computing was going to be directly for commerce? Many computers were bieng used for academic or research purposes at the time. For Englebart's presentation it was about making the office more efficient, which is indirectly related to revenue. Today's world has many computers as a primary advertising revenue stream or as a direct entertainment device. Would anyone at that original demo have imagined that the most profitable US industries today would be in advertising?

  24. Alan Kay has a mixed verdict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alan Kay gave a talk at the golden anniversary. His group at Xerox Parc probably realized the most complete implentation of Englebarts vision, albeit in a workstation that cost $400,000 in todays currency. Alan is critical of the piecemeal implentations that followed, i.e. the Mac, HTML/HTTP. These obstruct the colloborative development of software and media in the original vision.

  25. same year as the HALA.I. In Odyssey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And voice assistants are finally start to chip at the dream too.

  26. We have. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Commercialism overtook Science. And now we have UI designers who are effectively artists, or artist+programmers, instead of engineers with a minor in something else, like behavioral psychology. Furthermore corporate direction and consumer demand cares more about 'new' interfaces than intelligently designed ones, and has been slowly allowing the erosion of functionality for 'what looks cool'.

    It is still possible to recover, but it would require a large concerted demand among nerds, likely in their free time, and while being even less inclusive than projects that decided not to support a CoC. Whether gathering enough individuals is possible under project leadership that can consolidate and organize good ideas and understand how they should be put together, like those original pioneers did, is debatable.

  27. Failed to predict the most important things! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cat videos