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50 Years On, We're Living the Reality First Shown At the 'Mother of All Demos' (arstechnica.com)
Thelasko quotes a report from Ars Technica: A half century ago, computer history took a giant leap when Douglas Engelbart -- then a mid-career 43-year-old engineer at Stanford Research Institute in the heart of Silicon Valley -- gave what has come to be known as the "mother of all demos." On December 9, 1968 at a computer conference in San Francisco, Engelbart showed off the first inklings of numerous technologies that we all now take for granted: video conferencing, a modern desktop-style user interface, word processing, hypertext, the mouse, collaborative editing, among many others. Even before his famous demonstration, Engelbart outlined his vision of the future more than a half-century ago in his historic 1962 paper, "Augmenting Human Intellect: A Conceptual Framework."
To open the 90-minute-long presentation, Engelbart posited a question that almost seems trivial to us in the early 21st century: "If in your office, you as an intellectual worker were supplied with a computer display, backed up by a computer that was alive for you all day, and was instantly responsible -- responsive -- to every action you had, how much value would you derive from that?" By 1968, Engelbart had created what he called the "oN-Line System," or NLS, a proto-Intranet. The ARPANET, the predecessor to the Internet itself, would not be established until late the following year.
To open the 90-minute-long presentation, Engelbart posited a question that almost seems trivial to us in the early 21st century: "If in your office, you as an intellectual worker were supplied with a computer display, backed up by a computer that was alive for you all day, and was instantly responsible -- responsive -- to every action you had, how much value would you derive from that?" By 1968, Engelbart had created what he called the "oN-Line System," or NLS, a proto-Intranet. The ARPANET, the predecessor to the Internet itself, would not be established until late the following year.
I don't know about you, but over the last 10 years I have witnessed a shocking degradation in the quality and functionality of the software I use on a daily basis. Mostly driven by shockingly poor UI choices coming from the mobile/tablet sphere, but increasingly driven by the "web app" concept, where bloated, slow, unresponsive online javascript monstrosities pretend to deliver desktop functionality while failing to offer features that were commonplace PC software in 1991.
Thank God for the Terminal. Without it we wouldn't be able to get anything done these days.
We had all these things 20 years ago.
A non-story.
Engelbart never envisioned:
o Constant, near inescapable mass surveillance of the whole population via their electronics.
o Power-grabs by ad agencies over person electronics.
o Pandering ever more to the dumbest users at the expense of the competent.
Technically he was ahead of his day. Far ahead. Socially... he had no idea of the dystopia that was coming.
I'm amazed to see articles in the Register and such saying this wasn't so great or that other people deserve credit. Sure he had a supportive govt program manager. But the way you get one of those is to deliver on a vision. and Delivering is harder than it sounds. Sure telefunken might have had a wheeled mouse. Yes V. Bush once imagined some thing called a "memex", as did a few sci fi writers. Really if you want the true vision that foreshadowed this have a look at the reading tablets and terminals of Kubrick's 2001
I think what people really can't fathom today is what things were like at the time. at that time the vast majority of people with big projects to run were still submitting jobs on punch cards. interactivity wasn't anyones daily experience, Teletype 110 baud terminals were starting to get common for dial-up time sharing. But you didn't have these on your desk.There was one down on the 3rd floor and people took turns using it. In a few very wealthy places There were some dumb character terminals and some vector graphics storage scopes but windows? Hyperlinks? on screen picture-in-a-picture video conferencing? Simultaneous text editing by many people. What he was showing was Arthur C Clark's definition of magic.
Now imagine pulling a stunt like that live!
For context, Most professional people even as late as the year 2000 still would not trust a laptop to give a presentation-- viewgraphs were the only way to be sure your presentation didn't crash or fail to project.
It was an event that's never been equaled in technology integration and showmanship using stuff 30 years in advance
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Now so many entities are leveraging the value from the machines that were originally dedicated to their users.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
His crew went to Xerox Parc. The actual realization of desktop computing for the masses was carried out by apple. Englebart was living in the future for a long time before we finally had a macintosh on our own desktop.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Apple had one implementation. Then they started spending a lot of their money trying to prevent other implementations. A lot of us didn't like that. Thank goodness Microsoft/Hewlett-Packard managed to beak their back in the look-and-feel lawsuit. But Apple did a lot of damage in the meantime, running the competitors to Windows on x86 out of business. In a way, Apple created the Wintel monopoly.
Unfortunately the videos are in Flash format, but the annotations are quite informative and interesting:
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His crew went to Xerox Parc. The actual realization of desktop computing for the masses was carried out by apple. Englebart was living in the future for a long time before we finally had a macintosh on our own desktop.
I would argue that it's Microsoft that brought desktop computing to the masses. Some would argue that there would have been no Windows without the Mac, but that would be ignoring that both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs visited Xerox Parc and that both understood the importance of what they had seen. It's true that Apple had a product to the market first, but Microsoft Windows became the defacto business OS, reaching way more people than Apple.
Microsoft did drive down the price but I think your timeline is off. Even at the stage of windows 2, the microsoft version was a joke. It was barely usable, it was barely a graphical interface, but mostly was character generated pseudographics. And Win 2 wasn't even available till 1988. It Wasn't until windows 3 that they started looking a bit more like what people think of as windowed graphics, and even then the fonts were pretty ugly, and you sort had to switch modes to see what your document would look like (ala WordPerfect, the competitor to Word). IN contrast the mac was fully graphical and had gorgeous fonts from day 1, it didn't have a DOS mode sticking out from behind a cheap false front. Window 3 came out in 1990, or 6 years after the 1984 Apple Debut of Lisa/Mac.
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Microsoft did drive down the price but I think your timeline is off. Even at the stage of windows 2, the microsoft version was a joke. It was barely usable, it was barely a graphical interface, but mostly was character generated pseudographics. And Win 2 wasn't even available till 1988. It Wasn't until windows 3 that they started looking a bit more like what people think of as windowed graphics, and even then the fonts were pretty ugly, and you sort had to switch modes to see what your document would look like (ala WordPerfect, the competitor to Word). IN contrast the mac was fully graphical and had gorgeous fonts from day 1, it didn't have a DOS mode sticking out from behind a cheap false front. Window 3 came out in 1990, or 6 years after the 1984 Apple Debut of Lisa/Mac.
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I never argued that Apple didn't come first. In fact, I acknowledged this fact. One of my points was that Windows still would have been developed without the Mac OS because both Apple and Microsoft founders saw the same demonstration and realized the importance of the GUI. Yes, it took a few years for Windows to get there, but they did get there. It might have looked different, but it still would have been developed.
Regardless, my main point was that Windows has had a farther reach and a larger impact, thus trely bringing the desktop to the masses. As we well know, first to market doesn't always equate to becoming the market leader.
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Apple almost immediately sued Microsoft when Windows 2 came out.
> Monetize is not a word stop using it.part of the problem
Try looking in a fucking dictionary.
Regardless, my main point was that Windows has had a farther reach and a larger impact, thus trely bringing the desktop to the masses.
Meh.
I think it was more of an emergent property than anything else.
I mean, an awful lot of stuff we seem to regard as groundbreaking is in fact an idea who's time has come. This is not to say that the people involved are not much more skilled and smarter than average. They are, but there's usually a bunch of them and history only remembers the winners.
This is actually somewhat common with Nobel prizes. Sure those 3 people get the prize. Look deeply and you find there was maybe a larger pool of deserving people, all of whom had seen the potential and were working those few years ahead of everyone else.
Computing was clearly coming to the masses. And desktops were clearly coming to the masses. All you have to do is look at the mass of excellent also-rans present at the time. I think if you were to knock out either Microsoft, Apple or both from the equation we'd be in a pretty similar place tech wise today with differences only in the details.
Regardless of what you think of the relative metits of those two, there was feirce competition in the market in the 80s and early 90s.
On the top end you had the various unix (and other! remember apollo?) vendors pushing their solutions. I doubt they'd ever have won since winning was hitting the commodity end, not the top end but you nver know. Someone might have had that realisation.
But on the low end there were also lots. Remember what the Amiga looked like in 1987, compared to Windows 2? Or the Atari? Unless you're British you probably won't remember Acorn's RiscOS which was yet another phenomenal one. There were tons of more obscure ones too.
Any of them could have brought computing to the masses, and in fact Acorn arguably did, given it (well it's spinout's) utter dominance these days.
My point is, the people who won were very good at their jobs, and only someone that good was going to win. But there were also 10x as many people but for a small quirk of history didn't win, or won something else. Desktop computing would have come either way and at the same time with or without any of the winners.
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In many ways, modern computing started with the Jacquard Loom, which was a technology to mass-produce digitized pictures. Today, it looks like the most important application of computers is posting pictures of one's posterior. We've gone a full circle, and in the process ended up staring at our own behind.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Maybe if you're running Windows 3.1
Englebart also failed to predict that the majority of computer capabilities would be intended to monetize the user.
Why would this even be worth mentioning? ALL commerce is some form of "monetizing the user". A farmer buying seeds from the local co-op is being "monetized". Yeah some angles of it have turned out to be creepier than we should prefer but none of it should be surprising.
The fact is that many of the technologies we take for granted now we're at least conceptualized if not outright demoed during that heady period of computer research in the 1950s and 1960s. Things like virtualizationation, parallel processing, OCR and the like were known quantities, at least on paper or in simulations years before Intel rolled the first integrated CPUs out. As much as anything, the key piece that brought computers to our homes and ultimately our pockets was the fabrication and minuturization processes. There's not much a modern computer does now that would surprise a researcher in the late 1960s.
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