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Germany Refuses To Ban Huawei, Citing Lack of Real Evidence (phys.org)
hackingbear writes: Germany's IT watchdog has expressed skepticism about calls for a boycott of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei, saying it has seen no evidence the firm could use its equipment to spy for Beijing, news weekly Spiegel reported. "For such serious decisions like a ban, you need proof," the head of Germany's Federal Office for Information Security (BSI), Arne Schoenbohm, told Spiegel, adding that his agency had no such evidence. The U.S. has been pressuring German authorities for months to drop Huawei, according to people familiar with the matter, but the Germans have asked for more specific evidence to demonstrate the security threat. German authorities and telecom executives have yet to turn up any evidence of security problems with Chinese equipment vendors, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Separately, at a (secret lobster-themed) meeting in Canada in July 2018, espionage chiefs from Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the U.K. and the U.S. -- all signatories to a treaty on signals intelligence, and often referred to as the "Five Eyes" -- agreed to do their best to contain the global growth of Chinese telecom (vendor) Huawei, the Australian Financial Review reported (paywalled). On the other hand, documents leaked by WikiLeaks and Snowden claimed that the NSA, the leader of the Five Eyes, tapped German Chancellery for decades and bugged routers made by Cisco, the leading American networking equipment vendor.
Separately, at a (secret lobster-themed) meeting in Canada in July 2018, espionage chiefs from Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the U.K. and the U.S. -- all signatories to a treaty on signals intelligence, and often referred to as the "Five Eyes" -- agreed to do their best to contain the global growth of Chinese telecom (vendor) Huawei, the Australian Financial Review reported (paywalled). On the other hand, documents leaked by WikiLeaks and Snowden claimed that the NSA, the leader of the Five Eyes, tapped German Chancellery for decades and bugged routers made by Cisco, the leading American networking equipment vendor.
Was the meeting in Canada a secret? Or was the lobster theme the secret? And also, what is a lobster themed meeting anyway?
The German. Duuuh.
While using any foreign tech does have an element of risk, asking for some proof does not seem out of line.
Or will the Huawei block all steganographically embedded traffic to the NSA, while the Cisco deflects all secret traffic to the Chinese Ministry of State Security?
What a conundrum!
Hitler!
Hitler was Austrian.
There are even photos of him as a child feeding a kangaroo.
The problem that Huawei potentially brings is that the Chinese government could force them to embed spying functions into future firmware updates. Such a move would be difficult to counter once a country is highly reliant on Huawei for providing cell services. I am not suggesting that Huawei wants to so - but the Chinese government could easily dictate that they do so. In most other countries such requests would be challenged in court. For example, like how Apple refused to unlock a shooters iPhone a couple of years back. In China, we would never even know.
We should be demanding source code for all of our telecom gear, regardless of where it is made. And to be able to build from that source.
Nobody will be understand the Chinese source, but at least it makes it possible to prove hacks after they have been found.
The NSA doesn't care about Chinese spying. They care about people using network gear they can't get a foothold in.
There are dozens of Snowden files on these topics.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
You don't want them anywhere near your communications.
Then again Apple and Google are also spies.
Corporatism != Free Market
Angela Merkel should avoid connection flights via Toronto.
Just saying.
I donâ(TM)t know, man.
This is what my Huawei Tablets wants to do, if I merely want to use a networked android app:
https://twitter.com/BramStolk/...
Straight up evil, if you ask me.
Bram Stolk http://stolk.org/tlctc/
Since US government embedded spy module into Cisco network equipment, Huawei copycat, when pirating the Cisco stuff, copied the spy module and channeled that to Chinese government instead. So it's all a matter of choosing whose economy you want to support and whose spy department you want your communication to be tapped on. We can't escape.
Sadly we're to puny to have an opinion...
Is this some kind of dig against Jordon Peterson?
the Chinese equipment supports interception the same way other equipment makers do
the problem is the network operators dont know how and when it might be enabled without them asking and with much of the SDN equipment the opportunity to detect it is reduced...
everyone spy's on each other, its the very nature of the security posture that the world has adopted
your spot on I find it hilarious anyone interested in privacy would choose Germany with what the BND can do they are pretty amazing !
Umm, so, is your point...
a) that Germany's Federal Office for Information Security did not in fact issue such a statement?
b) that phys.org did not in fact report on it?
c) that those facts are somehow invalidated when someone you don't like links to them?
d) that media like slashdot should refrain from reporting on events like these?
I think that's a pretty exahaustive list of options.
Interestingly, they all imply your're a complete moron.
sudo ergo sum
The NSA doesn't care about Chinese spying.
Since when? Espionage is definitely better when only you have it. Caring about foreign entities spying is literally half of their job.
They care about people using network gear they can't get a foothold in.
Doubtful. They've always been able to lean on the peering providers so they can tap the big fat pipes regardless of who's routers are in use.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
How dare they come over here and take our aid and jobs?
Or was it those nasty Prussians, who came from Poland and Russia, to take our land?
Maybe you mean those damn Romans, who brought their culture? What did they ever do for us?
No, wait, of course you mean the Africans and Middle-Easterners, who invaded us, and took our land and women! Fuck homo sapiens! Neanderthal to the neanderthals!!
It still has racism, nationalism, literal torture camps, fascists ("neocons") ruling, and a Hitler-substitute president.
It also hired all the Nazi scientists and concentration-camp doctors, etc, after the war.
And was the only cuntry to ever nuke another country.
Anf has been perpeutally at "not"-war anf usig others as proxies/puppets since back then, with no pause.
Meddling with literally ALL the countries.
Going so far as to openly brag about manipulating th Russian electiony to get fat dancing bear Yeltsin elected, who then put Putin in power, so you have a convenient new scapegoat in your closet, to distract your literally mentally retarded brainwashed slave worker livestock population.
The USA is the only surviving one of the NAZI countries!
Red danger! (purely ideological shit... New Cold War?)
the evidence is on the table. The Americans have been proven to spy on allies, breach and sabotage their networks, and to subvert their own communication equipment before selling to the world. But no evidence of China doing this has ever been presented. None. There have only ever been baseless accusations.
And given the U.S. track record of killing and murdering in foreign countries to get what it wants, over-throwing democratically elected governments, and more, China are saints in comparison. Even if China DID spy, I would probably trust them more with my browsing history than the paranoid and murderous Americans.
It's clear that the U.S. actions towards Huawei are entirely politically and financially motivated. Their own spyware companies, Cisco and Juniper most notably, are losing market to Huawei, and the U.S. can as a consequence not spy on foreign countries as easily, and so they are now scrambling to attack Huawei in any way they can.
American financial and political terrorism is what this is.
I wonder how many people, even on Slashdot would be capable of reviewing, compiling code from source and ensuring it's free of back doors etc?
That number is tiny.
I'm sure the NSA does care about Chinese spying, if only because it justifies their behaviour.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
The Germans are very heavily invested in China - machinery, trains, industrial equipment, tech. You cannot stab your biggest trading partner in the face because the US says so.
Errm, Germany`s biggest Export partner is the US. Wouldn't it make more sense to listen to the guys that make you money instead of those you pay money to?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Was he being beaten simultaneously with a polar penguin, as was tradition in Germany during that time?
Too bad your silly little retort joke failed because you used "polar" instead of "Arctic".
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
The correct philosophy is to assume YOU ARE ALREADY COMPROMISED.
Ze German.
FTFY
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
The West German creation story with the USA going back to Reinhard Gehlen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... should be well known.
The USA needed non Communist it could trust with its spying and worked with the only spy ready West Germans it could trust.
Thats what created and advanced generations of West German and now German spies, mil and gov officials.
Advancement was only for Germans who show they will always put the USA/UK above their own gov.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"