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Rare Amiga Bought on eBay For $2,500 (eurogamer.net)

Long-time Slashdot reader Mike Bouma shared Eurogamer's report about a rare Amiga 3000 auctioned on eBay: Mike Clarke, who worked at legendary UK game company Psygnosis from 1992 to 1999 doing audio work, rescued this particular Amiga 3000 from destruction after it had been placed down in a corridor, ready to be thrown out. Over 20 years later, Clarke is selling it on eBay... According to Clarke, this Amiga 3000 was first used by artist Jeff Bramfitt, who scratched his initials in the top of the case in pen "just in case someone took it off his desk".

Bramfitt used the machine to work on the title screens for Carthage, Infestation, Shadow of the Beast 2 and more classic Amiga games, but its headline claim to fame is it was used to create the original Amiga Lemmings intro and logo. Lemmings, which came out for the Amiga in 1991, was developed by DMA Design (now Rockstar North) and published by Psygnosis before the latter was bought by Sony. Later, it was used for Microcosm (3DO, Mega-CD), Scavenger IV (aka Novastorm, Mega-CD, FM Towns), and unreleased games such as No Escape, a tie-in with the Ray Liotta film, aka Penal Colony for Mega-CD.

Files for all of these games and more remain on this Amiga 3000's hard drive. "I think the above games were all in 1993, which was a very busy year because we got bought by Sony and alongside working on games by third-party developers, Sony pushed all of these film licenses onto us and gave us almost no time to make them," Clarke said. This Amiga 3000 is not without its problems, however. The floppy drive doesn't work anymore and the hard drive is "temperamental", which means you might have issues booting the thing up.

After 16 bids, the Amiga sold for £1,850 -- about $2,300 USD -- plus another £170 ($215 USD) for shipping.

"So much early gaming history has been lost mostly because, much like the BBC erasing Doctor Who tapes, nobody valued it when it was happening," Clarke tells Eurogamer. "I was the only person who saw the historical value in rescuing these machines and I also rescued over 800 development disks that were going to be binned at the time."

56 comments

  1. Haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The actual owner of the amiga is gonna be pretty annoyed when he finds out

  2. ebay is the dinosaur in the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People still use ebay?

    1. Re: ebay is the dinosaur in the story by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      People still care about the Amiga?

    2. Re: ebay is the dinosaur in the story by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

      People still post on /.?

    3. Re: ebay is the dinosaur in the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People or old boomer trolls?

    4. Re:ebay is the dinosaur in the story by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      They did about $11 billion in revenue last year; given that they typically make about a 9% commission. that's $100 billion in total sales revenues through eBay. I'd say they are still a pretty important player...

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    5. Re:ebay is the dinosaur in the story by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Heck yeah, I still use eBay. For the parts I need for my projects, the prices on eBay are usually lower than Aliexpress.
      And I find eBay easier to use, too.

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    6. Re: ebay is the dinosaur in the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amiga is still more relevant than slashdot, not that the bar is very high but it should tell you something about how much people care about a random slashdot comment.

    7. Re: ebay is the dinosaur in the story by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The Amiga is the Retro PC that everyone wish they had, but never got for practical reasons, such as software availability.
      An awesome Computer at its time,
      While your IBM PC did 4 color graphics (16 if you have a composite display, but will suffer from blurry text) The Amiga had 32 colors from 4k pallet of colors to choose from.
      Granted by the time the 3000 released the PC Compatible has caught up in specs, but the 500 were great gaming PCs at the time. Just too bad not to many games were made for it.

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    8. Re: ebay is the dinosaur in the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not many games for Amiga 500 ?! Sir, you actually need to check better... just give a look at some abandonware site to see how many games were written for the 500

  3. Archive.org them or GTFO then :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, come 'aaawn! You know it has to be done!

  4. Its not just old computers that should be saved by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Peripherals too. I've still got a dot matrix printer and a wyse orange screen terminal. They're not worth much monetarily and they're not too rare (yet), but to me that have value due to their historical technical perspective.

  5. Re: Its not just old computers that should be save by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

    EBay provides proof that people will try to sell anything...no matter how inherently useless it is.

  6. Where are todays classics ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing stands out today as iconic like these platforms, where are today's classics ?
    Raspberry Pi ? Arduino ? something else ?

    1. Re: Where are todays classics ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We will know in 20 years, of course.

  7. Less than it cost new by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Amusingly, $2300 is less than the MSRP of $4498 in 1991, even if you don't adjust for inflation. (Accounting for inflation, it works out to $8400 in 2018 dollars.)

    1. Re:Less than it cost new by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I wish I had bid more now. I always regret these things afterwards.

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  8. 90s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess I always thought that Amiga was more of an 80s thing. By the 90s everyone had PCs.
    On the other hand, everything about this story seems really UK based, so I assume that the Amiga was a lot more popular there.

    The only game they mention that I've heard of was Lemmings, and that was a Mac game I thought.

    1. Re:90s? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Lemmings was pretty much the one game that was available on almost any computer.

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    2. Re:90s? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Many games were widely ported. For example, look at the original Prince of Persia, it was ported to ~30 platforms.

    3. Re:90s? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Lemmings was the Miner 2049er of the 90s.

      Funnest games I remember on the Amiga were Nuclear War (surprised they didn't make Napoleon Blownapart a possible opponent), Ports of Call, Llamatron, and a most awesome Joust clone, that I think was simply called Jouster. I think Star Control was also on the Amiga. Then there were the Amiga versions of the various dungeon crawl games as well. Those put all other ports to shame (and I was an Apple IIGS person back then...long after I was a TI-99/4a nerd).

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    4. Re:90s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had it on Game Boy at one point, after playing it on MS-DOS.
      Prince of Persia is the other extremely ported game.

      I guess I always thought that Amiga was more of an 80s thing. By the 90s everyone had PCs.
      On the other hand, everything about this story seems really UK based, so I assume that the Amiga was a lot more popular there.

      In France too.
      Amiga was the best computer you'd run on a TV.
      NTSC tricks to get colors on IBM CGA didn't work so the PC was rare or unseen before VGA (let alone that French TVs didn't support composite video until the 90s)
      Early 90s computer games were on Amiga, Atari ST and PC (and Mac). Games could be cross released between these and also on SNES, Megadrive, sometimes 3DO, Jagua or handhelds. Flashback is a good example for an action game. (1992)

      This also illustrates how Amiga 3000/4000/1200 meant nothing for games, new games were still coming in 1993 for the Amiga 1000 and 500.

    5. Re:90s? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The UK market was separated from the USA by gov educational intervention and strange prices.
      The USA had Intel and Microsoft and Apple making rapid advances in computer hardware, software, OS use, audio support and advanced early GPU use.
      The UK was held back with demands for education games/software used on set OS and hardware.
      Tax issues, costs, poverty, local UK manufacturing efforts, governments, TV systems, educational demands all took the UK years to recover from and eventual move to much more advanced imported US desktop computers.
      People all over the world wanted business software, color, audio, games, printers, networking.
      Microsoft offered all that on a normal PC but it took time for the UK buy into new systems.

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  9. If you want to make serious money on eBay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have hung onto all your Hot Wheels and your Johnny Seven.

  10. Re: Its not just old computers that should be save by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Apart from being able to cut glass and focus lasers, diamonds are pretty useless too.

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  11. Not quite walking off with a pen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Destined for the garbage bin, and actually in the garbage bin, are two entirely different things, legally speaking. Getting official permission to take obsolete assets from most companies is nearly impossible, but soft permission is usually granted when this kind of rescue occures. It is an interesting story, and I applaud our hero, and believe he deserves the auction proceeds, but even if the company no longer exists, I think technically saving that Amiga is larceny and then sale of stolen items, and I hope the story doesn't get our hero in trouble.

    1. Re:Not quite walking off with a pen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are quite the obedient little corporate cog, aren't you? I don't think I've ever met anyone so obedient before.

    2. Re:Not quite walking off with a pen... by PPH · · Score: 1

      I got an old bible that some guy was going to throw out. Hand bound with wood covers. But the guy tossing it said it was worthless. Because the original owner, some guy named Martin Luther, had scribbled a bunch of notes in the margins.

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    3. Re:Not quite walking off with a pen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no fixed date for when grave robbing becomes archeology.
      It always has to be decided on a case to case basis.

  12. Here's an 81 year old woman by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Doing music on one. And there's a vibrant homebrew game scene. A lot of little indies find it easier to write for old computers than to compete on Steam with the 900,000+ asset flips out there.

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  13. oppose wrote "music" for some reason by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    meant art. Guess I got music on the brain. Google "SID Chip" if you wanna hear folks using old hardware for music. Or track down some OPL3 tracks.

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  14. Amigas hardware won't run for much longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All of the proprietary Amiga ASICs and even the Motorolla 68k series processors used single-ended, open collector logic. As those circuit boards age the capacitence of signal traces will degrade to the point that timing will be changed, and Amigas are already running pretty close to the edge as far as timing goes. Another 10 - 20 years and original Amiga hardware that still boots will likely be as rare as rooster teeth.

    1. Re:Amigas hardware won't run for much longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, there's new amazing and fun Amiga hardware coming and this time in FPGA flavour.

    2. Re:Amigas hardware won't run for much longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing of concern are the capacitors themselves not the signal traces. The tantalum caps are probably OK but I'd suspect any foil electrolytics. Age shouldn't affect open collector logic; it's pretty robust.

    3. Re: Amigas hardware won't run for much longer by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      I repaired some ag equipment just this past week that was manufactured in 1974. No problem at all. It was cleaner than some of the gear I have worked on (this was a John Deere planter monitor) but in general circuit boards are just stable. I deal with plenty of stuff with old 68HC11 processors and LCD displays from the 80s that spent most of it's life mounted on equipment out in barns... still good, at least as far as the pc boards are concerned. Electrolytic capacitors is another matter, but those should be replaced if that old anyways.

    4. Re:Amigas hardware won't run for much longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many active Amiga users have replaced the electrolytes.
      The thing to worry about is the custom chips that can't be replaced.
      As for the circuit boards I know of at least one person that reconstructed the layout and order a new PCB for his Amiga.
      It is fairly easy since the older models have the chips mounted in sockets.

    5. Re:Amigas hardware won't run for much longer by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      All of the proprietary Amiga ASICs and even the Motorolla 68k series processors used single-ended, open collector logic. As those circuit boards age the capacitence of signal traces will degrade to the point that timing will be changed, and Amigas are already running pretty close to the edge as far as timing goes. Another 10 - 20 years and original Amiga hardware that still boots will likely be as rare as rooster teeth.

      Unlikely - none of this equipment is running close to speeds where the circuit board matters. In fact, I highly doubt even "critical" traces (bus lines, for example) are even length matched to any degree. And given most boards of the era were autorouted with very classic tools, that really means the margins are far wider than they need to be. The equipment just isn't running fast enough that it matters and the boards are of such poor quality that there are huge variations board to board that if it did, there would be huge yield problems at the beginning.

      The biggest problems in general are boards that have been eaten away because they put a battery on them so after 15 years or so, they leak and destroy the board and nearby components. Even then it's possible to recover the boards with manual hand wiring.

  15. Dr Who tapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the big deal? Hardly a tragedy. First what kind of dork is named "Who"? And basically it's a children's show, repetitive and boring. Erase all the tapes for all I care. Doesn't bother me.

    1. Re:Dr Who tapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First what kind of dork is named "Who"?

      Who's on first.

  16. Didn't we just learn that by fredrated · · Score: 1

    an Amiga solved the traveling salesman problem?

    1. Re:Didn't we just learn that by billybob2001 · · Score: 1

      Very good, but we both know that was an Amoega.

  17. Re: Its not just old computers that should be save by slashdice · · Score: 1

    Yep, I sold one of my dirty jizz socks on Ebay years ago for a few hundred bitcoin. At the time, that was enough to cover the postage. Wish I still had that bitcoin. And that sock.

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  18. Seriously???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares, an old computer sold for a couple grand... if it sold for 100k it may be news worthy but for fucks sake.

    1. Re:Seriously???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but for fucks sake.

      Yes, for the sake of the fucks!

      WON'T SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE FUCKS!?!?!?!?!?

  19. Grand Theft Auto games may never have been made... by corezz · · Score: 1

    For historians this specific machine is important. And is why it sold for a lot. It could have sold for more if the auction was open for a few more months for others to be made aware of its existence. It has experienced so many important points in history. For example, as we all know Grand Theft Auto, the game, was developed by Rockstar North. And Rockstar North use to be known as DMA Design. And DMA Design was a game developer that started on the revolutionary Amiga computer (which was the most powerful system by far -- well ahead of Macs and PCs) who's critical hits included Lemmings and Walker. This Amiga 3000 was used to develop those two games. And it was those hits that saved Rockstar, allowing them to grow and to soon after begin work on the Grand Theft Auto series. And the rest is history. There are more fascinating historical events associated with this specific Amiga 3000 system, but that's just one.

  20. Interesting history by alaskana98 · · Score: 1

    Never knew, but apparently Amiga was eventually bought by HP, then subsequently sold to a company called Amino, who renamed themselves Amiga. Their plan was to then resurrect the core Amiga OS and release it as the Amiga DE (Digital Environment) on PowerPC, x86, Arm, SH4 and SH5 Procs. No idea what ever happened with that as I'm too lazy to look it up, but guessing not much since I've never heard of anything since regarding that attempt.

    1. Re:Interesting history by alaskana98 · · Score: 1

      Correction, they were bought out by Gateway (the cow computer company!), NOT HP. Ugh, I need to proofread more. :)

  21. Re: Grand Theft Auto games may never have been mad by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    I thought the developer of GTA (on Playstation 1) was some other company and Rockstar acquired it. Later versions and even later disks of GTA1 are labeled Rockstar, the first releases are not.

  22. Re:Grand Theft Auto games may never have been made by Mike+Bouma · · Score: 1

    It has experienced so many important points in history. For example, as we all know Grand Theft Auto, the game, was developed by Rockstar North. And Rockstar North use to be known as DMA Design. And DMA Design was a game developer that started on the revolutionary Amiga computer (which was the most powerful system by far -- well ahead of Macs and PCs) who's critical hits included Lemmings and Walker. This Amiga 3000 was used to develop those two games. And it was those hits that saved Rockstar, allowing them to grow and to soon after begin work on the Grand Theft Auto series. And the rest is history.

    The development of Grand Theft Auto started on the amiga:

    "The game was originally intended to be named Race'n'Chase and to be developed for the Commodore Amiga, starting in 1996.["
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  23. DANG! I have a NOS one in my basement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unopened box. Maybe its time to put it out on eBay? Nah, ill give it another ten years. Also have a Sinclair QL, an Atari Falcon and a Vic 20; all new in box. Use to work at a computer store fifteen years ago and got the job of cleaning out all old unsold stock... should have kept more stuff.

    1. Re: DANG! I have a NOS one in my basement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 500 did not have a NiMh battery. But the 3000 has one and I think it's eating away at your stashed hardware.
      Caps can do catastrophic leaks as well but it's much rarer.

      So get them computers checked out now or you'll have a nasty surprise later.