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Windows 10 Passes Windows 7 in Market Share (venturebeat.com)

An anonymous reader writes: More than three years after its release, Windows 10 has passed Windows 7 in market share. That means more desktop computers are now running Microsoft's latest and greatest operating system than any other OS, according to Net Applications. The milestone is a nice way for Microsoft to end 2018, even though the company surely was hoping it wouldn't take this long for Windows 10 to overtake Windows 7.

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  1. Latest and greatest? by hashish · · Score: 3, Informative

    Was this article written by MS?

    1. Re:Latest and greatest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows 10 may be the latest, but Windows 7 was the greatest.

    2. Re:Latest and greatest? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For it's time, Windows 2000 was mighty fine. It killed Desktop Linux.

    3. Re:Latest and greatest? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Windows 2000 was the first really robust OS from Microsoft that had 'enough in it' to be a good desktop system, and was several magnitudes of scale better than Windows 98. Before it, NT 3.51 was a good 'UNIX like' OS, but they screwed that up with NT 4. Then after Windows 2000, they stuck in thick layers of cruft again with XP. It took until Windows 7 to recover. Windows 10 is just an unmitigated disaster. I recently tried to open up my Windows 10 convertible laptop in 'tablet' mode, and had to kind of force it into a shutdown because it wouldn't respond to ANYTHING I could do on the touchscreen.

    4. Re:Latest and greatest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows 8.1 + Classic Shell is the best version of Windows. That isn't saying much since everything Microsoft has ever made is crap.

    5. Re:Latest and greatest? by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gnome (almost) killed desktop Linux, if you had to point at one single factor. With two factors, it would be Gnome and Microsoft dirty tricks.

      Well arguably, Gnome is a Microsoft dirty trick too, given that Miguel got a cushy job at Microsoft immediately after laying waste to the Linux desktop ecology. Of course it could have just been incompetence rather than malice, but...

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    6. Re:Latest and greatest? by dwywit · · Score: 2

      "foam about that all you want"

      You need to have a cup of tea and a good lie down.

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    7. Re:Latest and greatest? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Well if the Microsoft "dirty trick" was to have a better and more coherent disktop than linux then you might be on to something. Sorry people, but Microsoft has always had a better and more thought out desktop than linux. It has not always been the prettiest but when it comes to getting work done it is better.

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    8. Re:Latest and greatest? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Well denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Yeah, you can keep on telling yourself that all you want too. Doesn't make it true but if It helps you sleep at night. Enjoy your fantasy.

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    9. Re:Latest and greatest? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I'm sure your just trolling now, ether that or you really don't know what your doing. You could just have crappy hardware. Which leads back to you not knowing what you are doing.

      But then just in case you are not trolling and are really this much of a linux zealot, I would suggest you get rid of your linux system and get a Mac. You are exactly the kind of person we don't need or want in the linux community. You and people like you are the reason linux has a image problems that it does. You're part of the problem, hell you are the problem.

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  2. Many businesses have no choice by StuartHankins · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows 10 has a bunch of serious issues, that's not news, and those who can avoid it are lucky. Guess what? My machine is wanting to install the Windows feature update again, and I'm staving it off because the last time I tried it, after 2 hours of WTF-is-it-doing and then trying to roll back, it left things in such a mess after the "successful" rollback that I restored the entire VM from backup.

    This is one reason why I no longer store documents within the VM, and do most of my work remoted onto Windows servers which seem to have fewer issues. Between Office 365 "updates" and forced Windows "updates" my machine has never been so "updated" yet suffering from so many issues before... and I go back to Windows 3.0

    I would create another VM from scratch, but Windows 10 is the issue here. What a hot mess!

    1. Re:Many businesses have no choice by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Enterprises get the enterprise version, which removes almost all of the "hot, new, amazing" technology and cedes control of the OS to the admin to make for an actually reliable OS.

      Other users are stuck with home and pro versions which are the worst MS operating system since... I have problems finishing this sentence, as I had better luck even with ME.

    2. Re:Many businesses have no choice by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Informative

      I bought a retail box version of Windows 10 to put on my desktop because I was running a sketchy copy of Windows 7 that kept deactivating. After a few months running the Windows 10, I went on eBay and bought a legitimate retail box copy of Windows 7 to replace it.

      At least now I have a legitimate copy of Windows 7 to run in perpetuity. I have several machines with legit OEM copies of Windows 7 as well.

      If you did have a legit Windows 7 machine and you let them do the 'free upgrade' on it, your old license is expired. That was part of the agreement to get the 'free' Windows 10.

    3. Re:Many businesses have no choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LTSB is not recommended. No Linux support, slow as fuck Windows Update

      It's called Cygwin or a virtual machine.

      No Windows Store which is a problem for Office 2019 as Sway and OneNote have moved to the Store only

      Nobody cares.

      and many other countless updates since 2015.

      Again nobody cares, not even a little.

    4. Re:Many businesses have no choice by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of which "new hardware support" was achieved by literally forcing OEMs and hardware designers into not releasing win7 drivers. They even strong armed intel itself into not releasing full support for win7 on its most modern CPUs.

    5. Re:Many businesses have no choice by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

      by Billly Gates ( 198444 )

      Username checks out.

      LTSB is not recommended. No Linux support,

      There's Cygwin, there's Docker for Windows, there's Virtualbox and VMWare Workstation and Hyper-V...

      slow as fuck Windows Update,

      That's not a bug, that's a feature.

      No Windows Store

      Also a great feature.

      which is a problem for Office 2019

      I'm sure the CtR installer still works just fine, though odds are good that anyone with a licensed copy of LTSB will still have a volume license of Office, and anyone who gets it off The Pirate Bay similarly won't care.

      as Sway

      Who the hell has ever used Sway? I've never once met one person who used it. Even if it's a nice combination of Publisher, Wordpress, and Wix.com, the Youtube tutorial I watched didn't indicate any sort of export function; it's all browser based so it's barely a loss.

      and OneNote

      Ahhh, the incredibly powerful (if forever a sleeper) data organization and categorization tool that is a husk of its former self in Microsoft's pursuit of Evernote. It was a college student's best friend, but Microsoft could never understand that OneNote was a power user's tool, while Evernote focused on simplicity. While a 'simple mode' or 'OneNote Cloud' could have been a spinoff product, the UWP iteration of OneNote retains its name, and little else.

      have moved to the Store only

      Then it's not a part of Office anymore, is it? It's a spinoff product, likely from the same team, with similar branding...but it's not a part of Office if the Office installer doesn't include it.

      and many other countless updates since 2015.

      See, the problem is this false equivalence that newer is better. For a while, it was a safe bet. However, I'm hard pressed to come up with a feature added to Windows 10 that I have actually sought to implement, rather than disable. AFAIK, the LTSB still gets security updates, but is generally intended to be stable...which, at this point, is all a whole lot of Windows users really want.

  3. Windows 10 does wonders! by zilym · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My Dad was happily using Windows 8, was forcefully upgraded to Windows 10 by accident. Hated Windows 10, downgraded back to Windows 8, then kept getting warning messages popping up from time to time about some DLL that got lost in all the shuffle. Didn't seem to do anything useful (app store DLL?) but annoying. Fed up with all that, he finally bite the bullet and switched to Ubuntu 18.04 this fall. Thanks Microsoft!

  4. Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint) by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

    Lots of serious professional software only runs on Windows. Software you've probably never heard of but nonetheless is widely used in a particular industry. The applications barrier to entry is still going strong.

  5. not a milestone by Espectr0 · · Score: 2

    no the sum of all windows 10 releases (they have been plenty) now has more market share that the single release of windows 7? that's not a milestone.

    wake me up when a single release of windows 10 does that.

  6. Wow! That was SO FAST! by Chas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only too 3.5 years and fucking with hardware and software to artificially obsolete Win7!

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    1. Re:Wow! That was SO FAST! by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"Only too 3.5 years and fucking with hardware and software to artificially obsolete Win7!"

      You forgot to mention them also trying over and over again to force it down users' throats with unrequested (and usually unwanted) "upgrades" from 7 to 10.

  7. Windows 10 by Z80a · · Score: 2

    Why are we celebrating that more than half of the windows boxes are infected by a terrible malware that attack via the windows update mechanism then proceeds to display Ads,add a very annoying search bar, track the user's every move and potentially can turn him into a bot, given how hard it is to disable it's ability to download updates?

  8. This news is almost as sad as Linux economics by shanen · · Score: 2

    I really think this is sad news. Now Microsoft can start wrecking Windows 10 to create demand for a new and "improved" OS. I think the only reason they gave free upgrades to Windows 10 was because of the fiasco of Windows XP. At least that's how it looked to Microsoft's accountants when people were basically satisfied with the OS and had no desire to upgrade.

    In reality the OSes and the hardware have already surpassed our normal human needs. Yeah, in theory it's always nicer to do things a bit faster, but the computers have run away from our human perceptions. Opening a program in 20 ms makes no significant difference against 40 ms or even 1 ms.

    Humans just don't care anymore. We have a good enough OS (and a fast enough computer and a powerful enough smartphone).

    How do you create demand when the customers' real needs have been satisfied? By polishing things up and making good enough better? Or by using upgrades to break things?

    One of my older machines has been having increasing troubles with Windows 10 over the last few months. The machine's hardware is still in pretty good shape (except for the DVD drive), but I predict things are going downhill from here, starting with the very next unneeded upgrade.

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    1. Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think that's a bit exaggerated, there's always new hardware and software standards like for example 10 years ago NVMe didn't exist. Sure, to the user it might look "the same" except much faster but a lot is changed under the hood. Same with new USB standards, WiFi standards and so on. I wouldn't mind Win10 if there was an off switch for most the features, the actual core is improved since Win7/8. It's everything else they do for business reasons that makes me dislike it.

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  9. Forced obsolescence by nctritech · · Score: 4, Interesting

    New Win10 machines have ACPI 5.0 (or some AMD chips' AGESA with the same effect) which doesn't work with Windows 7 and no option to use the older styles. OR they have UEFI with no CSM or with CSM boot crippled. OR they have hardware for which drivers aren't being put out for Win7. OR they have hardware which Microsoft has decided is arbitrarily not allowed to run Win7 and does what they can to frustrate such usage via updates when a user is successful in installing it.

    Yeah, what a shock. Hardware fails as it ages and must be replaced with new hardware. Your new OS is an objectively worse system all-around except for a few kernel/driver improvements (native XHCI and UAS and direct support for USB booting) that could easily have been backported and a few multi-monitor improvements, but it has that big fat milk teat called "Windows Store" that you can use to milk wallets in your own Apple-esque walled garden of bloated misaligned Electron-style apps. Do everything you possibly can to force people who need to get new hardware for any reason onto your new platform even though the old one is still supported for two more years and OF COURSE the market share will increase over time.

    Windows 10 is an abomination. As soon as Bill Gates left the company, it all went to pot. Windows 7 was not perfect at all, but it's what I use whenever possible because the Windows 8+ era took all the fundamentals of proper user interface design and chucked them right out the window in favor of a UI race to the bottom that functions everywhere and is useful nowhere.

    Worse yet, you have these brats that think all that glitters is gold that listen to someone like me going off about Windows 10 and declare that I'm just mad because I can't keep up and that I need to get with the times and that Windows 10 is feature-packed ooh shiny awesome stuff and I have no idea what I'm talking about. Tell you what, junior: open a File Explorer window, find a folder eight levels deep on your C: drive, and bang out the keyboard shortcut to make a new folder. I'll time you. Wait, you don't know any keyboard shortcuts and what's a folder and why do I own a 3D printed save icon? Get off my lawn and go back to your shitty tablet.

  10. Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately, windows 10 includes crap ware like Groove, Cortana, Ads that cannot be uninstalled

    All of which can be turned off, uninstalled, or other wise neutered in the windows 10 pro version. I know this because I have done it. Well I did turn cortana back on after awhile. She is kind of useful when you take the time to figure her out. Even the "spy wear" those of you of the tin foil cap like to grouse about can be turned off.

    At least in the pro version of windows 10. I think if you get the home version certain things cant be turned off because that is the trade off for getting a cheaper version.

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  11. Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    I believe the ads he is talking about are what windows calls "suggestions." They appeared to me as "suggestions" on the windows menu. But lets be honest, they are ads and not suggestions. They where also successfully eviscerated with a few clicks.

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