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GIMP Developers Outline Plan For 2019 (gimp.org)
The GIMP developers on Wednesday published a blog post in which they look back at the year 2018 (release of GIMP 2.10) and outline the things that they intend to get around this year. From the post: We expect to be shipping 2.10.x updates throughout 2019, starting with the version 2.10.10 currently expected in January/February. This version will feature faster layer groups rendering, smart colorization with the Bucket Fill tool, and various usability improvements. We are also planning the first unstable release of GIMP that will have version 2.99.2, eventually leading up to version 3.0. The prerequisite for releasing that version will be the completion of the space invasion. ZeMarmot project (which can be supported on Patreon or Tipeee) is also planning to focus a bit more on better canvas interactions, as well as animation support improvements, starting from merging existing work. On the GEGL and babl front, we expect to continue working towards better CMYK support and performance.
It's still miles better than any other free image editor.
The fact that GIMP developers can actually formulate a plan is the real news here.
That applies to pretty much all software, especially the kind you pay for. GIMP is very feature full, useful, and improving steadily, and oh yeah, FREE as in beer. If you want to accelerate its development, donate some cash, coding help, or STFU and leave it alone.
How about taking your virtue signalling SJW bullshit somewhere else?
...but refuse to fix basic usability issues like missing lines/rectangles/rounds from GUI mode.
We have seen in the last few years many advances of Computer Vision and Machine Learning tools to do segmentation, anime drawing colorization, night picture to day picture conversion, changing meteo conditions, and so on.
Do the GIMP developpers intend to include tools of that sort in the project?
"version 3.0. The prerequisite for releasing that version will be the completion of the space invasion."
Wha?
I hear that they also accept funko pops and silver coins.
If it doesn't include hookers and blackjack, I'm not interested.
Beware of the Leopard.
For Gimp to get good. Now you know why Adobe can get away with their abusive practices.
I think for a lot of people wouldn't have a problem, if you used your credit card. The GIMP sucks. But Photoshop is too expensive for average Joe - non professional Image manipulator, who may need a bit more features then Paint.net but will not be using day to day. Paying 50+ dollars per month for a program that you may use once every few weeks just isn't worth it.
Back in them old days of the early 2000's I was able to get legit copy of Photoshop from a third party for about $300 then every 4 years or so I bought the upgrade for a few hundred dollars. The reason why I got the upgrade wasn't for the actual new features, but because it now supported the newer hardware better. Updated OS, 64bit. In general architectural changes that allowed me to process bigger pictures faster.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
If you see someone running GIMP, take their computer away from them, format it, and then install God's one true operating system, Windows 10, and Adobe Photoshop. Use their credit card to buy it as punishment for daring to use something else.
If you want me to use Adobe, you will fucking pay for it.
Paint.net is nice but itâ(TM)s only available for Windows.
Sure, if you don't need any of the features that Gimp has an Paint.NET does not. Not having the same feature set isn't a criticism of Paint.NET, if it floats your boat, then great. Same goes for MS Paint.
Saying that Paint.NET is easier for what you do isn't a very convincing criticism of GIMP; saying that Photoshop is easier for what you do is a more substantial criticism, especially if you've actually spent some time using GIMP rather than marveling at how odd it's UI is.
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The prerequisite for releasing that version will be the completion of the space invasion.
So, never? What? Who's invading? WHAT?
Photoshop CC, plus some other applications in the package are available for 9.99/month. Not that expensive.
Not free, but not that pricy.
I hate fat people.
Ditch that clunky GTK API! I mean, that idiots that made that should be exiled and forced to work on developing a graphics application with it. I bet it would wind up as much as an abomination at GTK! ;)
(psst... hey captain whoosh, GTK was made by GIMP devs for GIMP)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Hey Gimp developers, how about changing the title to something that isn't slang for disabled people??
If they do that, I'm taking me and my gimp suit elsewhere!
Come to think of it, that may make my coworkers happy.
People still use GIMP?
When I have to color some pixels, I've switched to krita. GIMP users should try it and see if it's to their liking. I find it much easier and intuitive to use...
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Not the initial license, but upgrade licenses for Photoshop were $200 and released every 18 months. Now it is $10/mo, so over those same 18 months the cost is now $180. While 10% cheaper, you're now forced into every single "upgrade" by always paying. No longer can you skip paying versions if they don't have new features for your given workflow. Even if you don't upgrade your local install, you're still paying for those upgrades now. So, call it "Not that expensive" if you want, but they just hooked you into paying endlessly for renting their software that you once could own.
Um, no. Screw off. I shall point out it's shortcomings as I wish. It *is* feature full - after you find them. It is useful, as are most other graphic programs. "Improving steadily"? No. Been using it for years and it still has a 'torture the user' UI.
What the heck is it doing with all those CPU cycles?
Interesting that *your* mind went there instead of the definition of gimp: twisted silk, worsted, or cotton with cord or wire running through it, used chiefly as upholstery trimming or a fishing line made of silk bound with wire.
Now, why exactly is it your mind jumps to slurs?
Paint.NET is way better to use and it's had less people working on it than Duh GIMP.
That is just your opinion -- not an objective fact.
He even had high-bitdepth and non-destructible layers in his programs years before GIMP did.
Uhm... Versions of GIMP (most notably filmgimp/cinepaint) had 32-bit depth years before paint.net existed.
GIMP is a joke.
Opinions are like assholes...
I used to use GIMP all the time, and didn't see the reason for the complaints.
I tried to use it recently, after 40 minutes of trying to draw a square and looking up online tutorials while attempting, I gave up. It has gone way downhill over the last couple of years. If you use it all the time, probably fine, if you try and learn it don't bother.
Well, being zero-cost is no excuse for having a crappy UI.
What's wrong with the GIMP GUIs? (Note that GUI is pluralized -- GIMP has several standard GUIs -- something that is not easily attainable with proprietary software).
The problem is that designing an intuitive, well set out UI is much more difficult than all the bells'n'whistles functions the developers add to the menus.
If only they would apply their talent to that instead of gratuitously adding more obscure features, they would have a product to be proud of. But UI design is probably beyond their capabilities.
Let me guess -- you're a Mac user who happens to be a usability expert.
It's not free, but it's the perfect in-between image editing software between the "GIMP which is free but has a really weird non-standard way of doing everything" and "Adobe Photoshop which is really expensive or requires monthly fees ".
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It may well be, but I have never been able to achieve what I wanted to do due to the confusing UI.
OK, From now on Gimp will be know as "Software for Photos And Slideshow Tools In Colour"
then we'll be set
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
What do you want to call it? Cripple? Spazz? Mong? Windowlicker? Joey Deacon?
In the past, other Slashdot users have suggested replacement names:
- GNU Image Editor (GIE)
- GNU Raster Editing And Touchup (GREAT)
- GNU Image Manipulator (GIM) with soft G to sound like "gym"
- GNU Image Retouching and Editing (GIRE)
- GNU Image Retouching Lab (GIRL)
- GNU Adaptable Image Tool (GAIT)
- GNU Users' Foto FudgER (GUFFER)
I have a coworker on Mac who has a license to use Adobe CS (Photoshop), but who uses GIMP regularly instead. There are a few features you can't get in GIMP, but if you don't need those, it's all what you're used to. And if you intend to automate your work, GIMP blows away Photoshop.
"Been using it for years"
Then you must have some kind of memory problem with your own brain. Its UI is no more torturous than Photoshop. If you've been unable to familiarize yourself after all that time, give up and move on to something more your speed.
GIMP users have the same problem with Photoshop, I assure you.
So they're saying they'll have CMYK usable by the time print is officially dead?
It's inevitable.
The question is when.
Unlike all the other posts here, I find GIMP is a reasonably good piece of photo editing software. If you think that it suffers in some way, how about buying the developers a cup of coffee perhaps, or send a patch over for merger?
Complaining about the naming of the software does not cut the mustard. The fact the developers don't spend time pandering to SJW is a good thing, get your mind of out of the gutter.
Why UNIX?
Offense is something that is taken, not given. Stop taking offense from people.
Early 2000s? Same here; my CD of Photoshop 4.0 yes, that's how long ago it was came with the scanner we just bought. Haven't found the need to upgrade; my work at Kinko's had the complete set. In the meantime, I was reading all about Linux and GIMP. Found what I needed in both.
No. That's SaSS: Subscription as a Software Substitute. Unless you're a business (where recurring expenses are more tax-efficient for you and easier to explain to the shareholders), the TCO of SaSS is always higher than the TCO of Software.
I've used variations of Photoshop since 1994. 24 years. That's $2,880 ago at $10/month.
If you really want to be pedantic, I'm running CS2 that I purchased13 years ago -- which would have cost me at least $1,560 at subscription pricing.
The last viable (self-hosted, runs locally, no phoning home) Photoshop was CS6. Full MSRP was $699. It's 6 years old, and if you own - not rent - CS6, every month from that point forward is now free. As long as you can keep the machine (or the VM in which it resides) backed up, you can use it forever.
That got old really really fast, at internet speed. Thanks for playin'
I've read the criticism about Gimp's GUI a lot, but i've learnt graphics using Gimp and it feels pretty consistent to me. Also it has one big advantage over its competitors: it hasn't changed much, meaning I didn't have to relearn everything at every new version. I built up from the knowledge I acquired over the years and I consider myself proficient with Gimp. I don't see the UI hampering my work a single bit.
On a related note, I can't use photoshop because the UI feels weird to me. I'm used to a different way to work now.
Feel free to ask for a refund then.
And you have no excuse to whine when you could be helping the project make what in your mind is a "good" UI. I personally don't have any problems using Gimp.
Paint.NET is proprietary and very limited compared to Gimp.
The same applies to any program. Fire up 3D studio max and see how far you get.
Jim Kelly from Microsoft's software devision here. Using GIMP on Windows is prohibited and strictly against the law. If you know someone using GIMP, please turn them in to the correct authorizes. Justice needs to be served.
It's a very appropriate name. It's an incredibly gimped image manipulation application.
I would like to see some simple creature-comfort improvements to improve usability. My first suggestion would be to either not load all the Script-Fu scripts, or to load them in the background, so that I can get to a usable screen faster. Startup is so slow, and much of the time it is because the UI is blocked loading all the scripts (most of which go unused during a session).
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
They will not accept your input. They are convinced they know best. The only way to fix the UI is to fork the whole damn project.
It's GIMP, and is an acronym for the for the GNU Image Manipulation Program. You sound like an idiot when your big complaint is the name of the program is an issue of some kind. Next you'll be saying Firefox suggests animal cruelty and Microsoft reminds you too much of your dick.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
just checked it out, you're right, http://paint.net/ is awesome! so many colors! so many textures!
Maybe I can try Paint Shop Pro 5 in Wine. It's the kind of software that said your license is expired since 1687 days, but let you fully use it. It was easy to use too and deforming pictures on a computer was fun back then. Version 2.x or 3.x even ran with 4MB RAM in Windows 3.1.
Being evidently unable to learn and use a UI is your real problem. There is nothing at all wrong with their UI since they implemented the single window option.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
I used to work in cartography years ago and we used to use Photoshop for certain parts of our workflow. At some point I was tasked to look into Photoshop alternatives because management wanted to save the ~$700 per seat cost. Being a Linux user since the mid-90s, I looked at The GIMP. I don't remember exactly why it wasn't as good as Photoshop - I believe it was slower and either didn't support CMYK or had poor support for it. Anyway, I compiled my report and said this was a possible replacement, though not as good for our workflow.
I then had to have the conversation:
--Me: This is the GNU Image Manipulation Program or GIMP
--Boss: What?
--Me: GIMP
--Boss: Why the hell would they call it that?
--Me: Well, it stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program
--Boss: Yeah, but do they know what gimp means?
--Me: Yeah, they'd have to at this point
--Boss: Why don't they change it?
--Me: Hubris or they're trying to be cute
--Boss: We're not using software called GIMP
So it goes. It's a bad name that they use just to be cute and then get defensive over when people don't like it. I'm not a fan of the UI and it had problems back in the day (I haven't had a reason to use it in a long time), but I can give you at least one anecdote where the name directly stopped an organization from using it. It's got nothing to do with snowflakes or SJWs, it's just a bad name in a lot of people's minds.
If they don't make it suck more I'll happily settle for that.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
How about the possibility to draw a fucking circle in under 8 hours? And to make the app not look like a pile of garbage that is still competing with ms paint - 20 years ago?
You could suck less, but if you do make sure to find an alternative source of protein!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Yes, they should absolutely rename it because your boss is incompetent.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
The only people I see whining are are leftist virtue signalling SJW bitches.
You need to take look in a mirror, snowflake. You wusses are the ones getting your panties in a bunch over getting called out for being shitbags. And believe it or not I find your idiocy absolutely hilarious; but not hilarious to give the likes of Louis CK any attention.
Within the limits imposed by the GTK+ toolkit, it's pretty easy to change the gimp UI to fit your preferences; some of it can even be done without recompiling.
Many of the plug-ins are well written and can be modified by even mediocre programmers to have improved functionality and/or more accurate results.
It's obvious that your attitude is that you'd rather complain bitterly than do anything good.
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Get source code.
Change all instances of GIMP to XKCD.
Compile.
Profit.
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Immediately you provide a perfectly reasonable answer to your own question.
No idea if this is still the case, but last time I used it it had windows floating all over the place, rather than a much more comfortable single window with dockable subwindows.
Not sure what the other GUIs are, but the fact that they exist shows that the default is probably terrible. Users don't want to piss about with configuring their software. They want to manipulate images.
"Whining" does help. People want a good, easy to use free image processing application. They are saying why GIMP is not that application. The developers can ignore them if they choose. That's on them.
$10 as a one time fee sure it's not that expensive But you missed the "per month" bit. That stuff adds up quickly. How long are you planning to live?
The question is, how are you going to earn money with it?
I know some people prefer to buy apps outright, and they should have that option, but Adobe Creative Cloud is an astonishingly good value for what you get. Any creative pro would be a fool not to take advantage of it.
If you're just planning to dick around with it, though, it might be too expensive a toy to justify.
100% agree with what you are saying. Same experience.
Photoshop costs $10/month and you get a few other apps like Lightroom. They update fairly often, it's not a terrible deal really.
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Git the hell out of here. (Spelling is correct.)
No, they don't. Another thing always worth mentioning is speed. GIMP is slow. Ultra slow in comparison to every other program you could use going as far back as 30 years on multiple platforms. Not just start-up times, not just the lack of GPU acceleration, but also everything from UNDO to even basic filters like gaussian blur. We're talking twice as long in most cases. GIMP zealots like yourself wouldn't notice though, because you've never used anything else.
There's always that one faggot like you telling everyone else not to be gay. Go gargle Stallman's balls.
GIMP (even 2.8.22) has a single-window mode that docks the two main toolboxes and solves the stupid floating toolbox annoyance that no one has ever liked. Unfortunately, single-window mode is not the default; you must go to the Window menu and check it...which means you have to know it's there to be checked.
Were was he Gimped or PhotoShopped?
1) Make it suck less.
There. That should be sufficient to have them stay busy for years.
Agreed. Over the years I've tried to use GIMP with limited success, mostly because the UI is retarded, as is the workflow.
Simple things like cut and paste do not work like they do in 99% of all other image editing software programs. You should be able to select an area and then work with it- fill it, move it, cut it, etc etc. But you can't- everything is a 20-step process and it's infuriating as hell.
So yeah, using GIMP is painful and frustrating. If it's any consolation, it's even worse on the Mac that I'm forced to use at work.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Paint.NET is way better to use and it's had less people working on it than Duh GIMP.
I wish wish wish he'd release a version for Linux, but I know that ain't gonna happen in my lifetime (for understandable reasons).
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
GIMP's automation feature requires rolling your own scripts. It doesn't sound like your coworker, whose judgement is already questionable as a MAC user, is actually a graphic artist.
I'm not a SJW and I'm about as anti-PC as you can get, but even *I* think the name "GIMP" is totally fucking stupid and gay as hell. Though it makes FOSS neckbeards giggle, and that's exactly why it was chosen.
I really like the floating toolboxes. I can arrange them where I like them on one monitor and use the main monitor for viewing.
What the acronym stands for is irrelevant. It is a stupid, gay name all on its own. Since you're a huge FOSS faggot, you really like it!
At its core gimp is great, but the user interface is quite dated, and frankly awful
You're a moron. Photoshop takes longer to startup than GIMP.
He's not a graphics artist. He's an iOS developer. And guess what? Most people who use Photoshop are amateurs who aren't graphics artists.
I can assure you that people who complain about the GIMP name are not what you call "SJW". Likely the exact opposite.
Actually, wouldn't Chrome be a more likely target for that? By the way, ever notice that Chrome is not very shiny or Chromelike? Intetesting name for a browser that uses blue, white, yellow, and red as its primary color scheme... where's the chrome??
I downloaded it FROM GIMP on the GIMP website. How is that Win10's fault?
If you tip your head back a tad bit further, the GIMPcock will slide down until it hits the bawls, apologist. I use GIMP almost every day and have done so for at least 15 years. I know it's a Pinto and not a Ferrari.
Agreed. I like the floating window mode, as well, but sometimes I use single window, depending on the size of my monitor. Never used the Photoshop emulation.
The default mode varies with the package maintainer of the distro.
Of course, it's easy enough to toggle between modes with no more than two mouse clicks, so it is hardly an insurmountable crisis.
Get involved or shut up.
People who ignore criticism in this way are doomed to failure.
If people can't pick up and use a UI immediately, then a possible reason is that the UI is not very good rather than the users being wrong.
I was able to pick it up just fine. Of course I am smart enough to know that when you learn a complex piece of software you don't just open it, point and click and hope for the best. You read the fucking documentation, and at least one quality book that gets into how the UI works *and* the underlying principles that are needed to be able to fully grasp the design and understand the decisions made by the team to do it that way.
Believing as you do that software that is more than moderately complicated can quickly learned, with or without putting in the proper time and effort using all the proper resources
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Most people figure out how to use Photoshop without a manual. Sure sometimes software is complicated and does need to be explained, but here this seems to be being used as an excuse.
but i've learnt graphics using Gimp and it feels pretty consistent to me.
That is why you don't understand it. It's also why you're limited as a result. The thing about Photoshop's UI is not that it's different from GIMP's, but rather that the UI is more similar to that of every other product on the market and fits into a larger ecosystem.
There's no problem with being unique unless you're in an industry where uniqueness is not appreciated. That's where the criticism from GIMP's perfectly functional UI comes from. You can seamlessly jump between Photoshop, Paint.NET, and CorelDraw with ease. Not so with GIMP.
GIMP users have the same problem with Photoshop, I assure you.
GIMP users would. Paint.Net users would not. CorelDraw users would not. It's worth remembering GIMP's criticisms isn't that it's UI isn't functional, it's that it is unique in the industry.
Photoshop takes longer to startup than GIMP.
Huh? Who cares about startup? GIMP is noticeably slower at actually working with images especially large ones.
Oh and no it isn't, both start within seconds of each other, but Photoshop wins on my system.
The AC brought it up. I can't remember the last time I ran some GIMP operation and it took long enough to notice or interfere with my work. Maybe you are comparing GIMP on Mac (which is probably slower than Linux) or comparing a powerful Mac with a weak PC?
No, GIMP on PC. Not all workloads involve adding a bit of text to a 256x256 image and uploading a creative meme to the internet. For many of the people where speed matters, they have suitable workloads to complain about too. Install them side by side, fire up a 200mpxl image and try yourself, or fire up a smaller image with a shitton of layers.
Both of the rectangle and ellipse select tools in GIMP have an option to expand from center, and those selections can also be manipulated after slapping on the page by dragging the edges or corners of the bounding box, by changing the selection mode (intersect, remove, etc. with shift/control hotkeys) and making another selection, and with the many entries in the "select" entry of the menu bar.
I've been working with Inkscape heavily for the first time over the past week+, and I'd hardly describe the circle tool as intuitive... at one point the "switch to arc/segment" buttons were greyed out for reasons beyond my comprehension, and lacking the will to force myself to fit the mold required by the software I resorted to freehand.
I will say though that Inkscape's extension system is lovely; I'm learning Python at the same time because of it, and being able to change code without even restarting the program is a beautiful thing. Just last night I version-upped a modification to the in-built plot extension that optimizes the SVG order to reduce pen up travel; with multiprocessing it can cut >10 miles of travel in a few minutes... unfortunately basically everything else in the chain chokes on that much data.
No one is claiming you should use GIMP to design a billboard or that there aren't workloads where Photoshop is faster. But 99% of graphics work will not be materially affected by the difference in performance.
Ironically, CS has some features like content-awareness that make Photoshop a better choice for those who don't know what they are doing, but professionals will find GIMP has pretty much all the same features for digital publishing (print being obviously unworkable in GIMP).
Ironically, Photoshop got a lot of the same criticism for its multi-window interface with weird tool windoes. It's just that everyone got used to the way Adobe does it.
Did to notice that GIMP is in all caps, and they are not shorting, you might already know this, but in case you don't, GIMP is an abbreviation for GNU Image Manipulation Program, so no "sex dungeon freak" involved. have a nice day
Hmm jo post AC but give your full name and a rather unspecific job indication. I'm not 100% certain but jo might be a troll, if you are not please difference the law and the jurisdiction in which law enforcement actually enforces it and remeber /. is also read outside the US so unless you are referring to the EULA which may or may not be enforceable (and is not law in a strict sense anyway) good luck getting any enforcement at all. If it was meant as a joke, well played, you got me to waste my time replying. anyway have a nice day
tank you for informing me (tho the post was not directed at me). As these are areas outside my interest i have not googled the other meanings of gimp (and my limited contact with it has been software related)
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It's just that everyone got used to the way Adobe does it.
No. It's that everyone *adopted* it.
Who else adopted it? I've literally never seen an app with an interface like CS.
Sigh go back to the top and read the thread again. And if you can't find the similarities between the examples already mentioned and how incredibly different they are to GIMP then really there's not much more I can do to help you.