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Google's Fuchsia OS Confirmed To Have Android App Support Via Android Runtime (9to5google.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the friendly-operating-systems dept.

An anonymous reader quotes a report from 9to5Google: We've long suspected that Google's upcoming operating system, Fuchsia, would join the ranks of Chrome OS (and Android) in its support for Android apps. Today, that suspicion has been confirmed by a new change found in the Android Open Source Project, and we can say with confidence that Fuchsia will be capable of running Android apps using the Android Runtime. To make it simple, Fuchsia will use a specially designed version of the Android Runtime ("ART" above) to run Android applications. This version of ART will be installable on any Fuchsia device using a .far file, Fuchsia's equivalent of Android's APK.

How exactly Fuchsia will use the Android Runtime from there is still unclear. This is includes whether the Android Runtime is able to work as expected to replace Linux kernel calls with equivalents from Fuchsia's Zircon kernel or if ART will run inside of a Linux virtual machine using Machina, Fuchsia's virtual machine system. Regardless, what is clear is that Fuchsia devices are intended to run Android applications.

61 comments

  1. Google makes trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that Android is a steaming pile of ding, I have to say that my hopes are not high for this "secret" project.

    All this crap is written by listless 20-somethings, who are just phoning in life until they get to the rock climbing wall at the end of the day.

    1. Re: Google makes trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine this will fail miserably if google continues its horrid and valid communication strategy

    2. Re: Google makes trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *vapid

    3. Re:Google makes trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that Android is a steaming pile of ding

      An amazingly successful one though.

      All this crap is written by listless 20-somethings, who are just phoning in life until they get to the rock climbing wall at the end of the day.

      So, just like any other company.

    4. Re:Google makes trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I can't wait until the end of my work day so I can go climbing...!

    5. Re:Google makes trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but they are 10x rockstar javascript ninjas who care about social justice! Everyone knows Google only hires 10x rockstar javascript ninjas who care about social justice!

  2. The Fuchsia Android Runtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I call it FART for short.

    1. Re:The Fuchsia Android Runtime by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      I call it FART for short.

      I say we make this a meme.

    2. Re: The Fuchsia Android Runtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Fair criticism perhaps? Will it run WhatsApp or wechat? I only use those apps, I never even heard of slashdot until Okinawa got the raycomm factory

    3. Re:The Fuchsia Android Runtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to see if someone had posted this yet. I was not disappointed.

    4. Re:The Fuchsia Android Runtime by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Whatever they call it (ART/Dalvik/etc.), we all know it's a ripoff of someone's JVM.

  3. If you trust Google, you deserve to eat shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, you'd have to be mentally deficient to trust Google after all the reprehensible behavior Google has committed.

    Of course most of the world's population IS mentally deficient.

    But if you don't want to be like them, then THINK about the choices you make.

    1. Re:If you trust Google, you deserve to eat shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course most of the world's population IS mentally deficient.

      Thank god we have cunts, like you, to make that determination. The lack of oxygen, at the altitude you have placed yourself, might be having an effect on you.... Delusions of grandeur and all that jazz....

  4. Too many Monokernel lovers here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all know hybrid microkernels will rule the world, and monokernels will became second class citizen !!!! This is why OS/2 Warp will rule the world !!!! http://www.os2world.com/

    1. Re: Too many Monokernel lovers here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iâ(TM)m getting a 500 error maybe you should fix that before you start posting links

    2. Re:Too many Monokernel lovers here.... by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      Tanenbaum, is that you?

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    3. Re: Too many Monokernel lovers here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Site works fine for me.

  5. Google blows!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their software spies on you. What kind of moron would trade privacy for free stuff? Iâ(TM)ll pay the Apple tax if it means safeguarding my privacy.

    1. Re: Google blows!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does not spy. Read the EULA carefully and check to see what their software collected. And by all means pay the Apple tax everyone else has for a good reason. If you havenâ(TM)t upgraded in some time, you may get serious sticker shock, but the returns are well worth it on software.

    2. Re: Google blows!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone who pays the Apple tax and then never use any features are frankly dumb af haha

    3. Re:Google blows!!! by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What kind of moron would trade privacy for free stuff?

      99.9% of humanity.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re: Google blows!!! by jpaine619 · · Score: 2

      And by all means pay the Apple tax everyone else has for a good reason.

      Is that the one where you pay Apple to not spy on you but, instead, launch the Facebook app so Zuckerberg can spy on you?

    5. Re: Google blows!!! by Tarlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't matter what platform you're using, the only way to keep Facebook out of your life is to stay away from Facebook.

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    6. Re: Google blows!!! by jpaine619 · · Score: 2

      Doesn't matter what platform you're using, the only way to keep Facebook out of your life is to stay away from Facebook.

      And you're wrong... Very wrong. Do a google search on Facebook Shadow Profiles... You're probably in Facebook even if you've never used them before.

    7. Re: Google blows!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that won't work. Pay attention.

    8. Re: Google blows!!! by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Touche

  6. Garbage conclusion by dfghjk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "what is clear is that Fuchsia devices are intended to run Android applications."

    No, what is clear is that Fuchsia devices can be configured to run Android applications. That was never in doubt.

    There is no evidence that this is anything beyond a transition technology nor is there any assurance that the runtime doesn't come with downsides. Intel Macs, after all, were capable of running PowerPC applications, but that doesn't mean they were *intended* to run them...and they weren't.

    1. Re: Garbage conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likewise if a store sells meat and condomns, doesn't mean you're supposed to use them together.

    2. Re:Garbage conclusion by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Intel Macs, after all, were capable of running PowerPC applications, but that doesn't mean they were *intended* to run them...and they weren't.

      You think that happened through evolution? No, it was intelligent design. That's intention.

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    3. Re: Garbage conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, you could have told me that earlier.

    4. Re: Garbage conclusion by fard69 · · Score: 1

      You, too?

    5. Re:Garbage conclusion by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Intel Macs, after all, were capable of running PowerPC applications, but that doesn't mean they were *intended* to run them...and they weren't.

      Ah, so early Intel Macs were able to run PowerPC applications UNINTENTIONALLY? It was an unexpected side effect? A random occurrence? A bug?

    6. Re: Garbage conclusion by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Unlubed natural latex or lambskin condoms for making small batches of sausage? Just remove them after the initial cooking, obviously.

  7. .far extension by found404 · · Score: 1

    Farandole Composer (.far): Music Module (MOD) from back in the day when computers were actually personal. Much prefer the meaning of the old extension to the new Fuschia-based extension, which is another surveillance, tracking, data-harvesting front-end.

    1. Re:.far extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that old piece of garbage? Nobody used Farandole Composer that I can think of. Mostly because it was so damned buggy that you couldn't even if you tried.

    2. Re:.far extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, the Google searches will give you correct results containing only their version of .far no matter how many references to old one exists. After all, they now control the human history.

    3. Re: .far extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one except you know what the fuck that is. I started collecting MODS on the Amiga. Got .mod, .it, .sm3, and several other lesser know formats like fp (fallin player). FAR? Motherfucker, that's so obscure that it's literally an insult to everyone who ever enjoyed computer generated music. Fuck off, asshole. Stupid god damn asshole.

    4. Re:.far extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farandole Composer (.far): Music Module (MOD) from back in the day when computers were actually personal. Much prefer the meaning of the old extension to the new Fuschia-based extension, which is another surveillance, tracking, data-harvesting front-end.

      We could easily solve this by hunting down every file with that extension in existence, and simply deleting them. That would free up this valuable piece of namespace and allow us to use if for something useful.

      If as I suspect, it was named after the original author, we may additionally need to shoot him.

      Thank you for bringing this waste of resources to everyone's attention.

    5. Re: .far extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Farandole is a traditional French dance, made famous by Bizet in Lâ(TM)Arlesienne: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2y09pD1r-Qs
      It was featured on an episode of the Prisoner.

  8. Googly Googly Googliness by astrofurter · · Score: 1

    Fuchsia: it spies on you 50 different ways, AND it lets you run all your favorite legacy Android spyware!

    1. Re:Googly Googly Googliness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am confused. Google has enough money and resources to write something to the same level as Linux. What I see are half-breed OS's that are downgrades from the present and offer no advantages other than incompatibility and forced tied upgrades. Eventually the Chinese will fork something so that behind your back actions are diverted to the bit bucket.

    2. Re: Googly Googly Googliness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google fucks ya

    3. Re:Googly Googly Googliness by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Google has enough money and resources to write something to the same level as Linux.

      No it doesn't. Money can hire people, but they'd need to hire the right people, keep them there and interested, kick out all the troublemakers, and be a fucking business for 5 years minimum to get a new OS cobbled together well enough for a public outing.

      Google doesn't have the attention span to see such a project through. Google doesn't have the backbone to tell the millennial snowflakes within to fuck off while they hire people who know what they're doing. Google doesn't have the ability to attract such talent anymore aside from throwing piles and piles of money at them. Even then, how long will someone with the skills necessary to work on something like this subject themselves to Google? The more you pay them the quicker they can say "Fuck it, I'm out.". The people who have these skills tend to be older, and many are already retired. They don't want to and don't need to put up with the "image" or "culture" Google shrouds itself in, and wouldn't stand the turmoil and bullshit that goes on internally. Hell, many would object on an ethical standpoint.

      Google would be better off creating a new company, distancing it far, far away from Google, Alphabet, etc., giving it the funds and the time to get shit done, then bringing them / what they produce back into the fold. It'll be great for a while after they buy it, then it'll slowly but surely turn to shit or be killed off entirely. See 90% of all Google's projects.

      Might as well suggest that HP/IBM/Oracle can return to the glory days just by investing and hiring. A fish rots from the head down.

  9. can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just can't wait for all the people who said Linux won because Android is so ubiquitous to start saying Fuchsia OS won once most of the major phone manufacturers make the switch (if it ever happens, which I think is in the realm of possibilities).

    1. Re: can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is in everything. Not just dominating the cell market.

      It currently owns the cellphone market in spite of Google, not because of them per say. As a lot of manufacturers have Android minus Google apps.

      Fuchsia is probably going to be deeply integrated with Google, so it seems dubious that it would replace Android all over the world.

      They'll just keep using Android.

  10. Not dead then??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only 2 weeks ago Fuchsia was announced dead:
    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/12/28/2155257/everything-we-knew-about-fuchsias-ui-armadillo-is-goneOnly

    So what is it now?

    1. Re:Not dead then??? by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 1

      Who said that it's dead??? They just removed Armadillo UI and now internally test their proprietary (yet) GUIs. Armadillo was a test GUI btw, it has no chance to get into a final product.

  11. Re:Don't tell me otherwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But enough of your fantasies...

  12. Another step closer to removing Linux from Android by iampiti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know what are the intentions of Google regarding Fuchsia but I'd bet they want it to replace Android on the long term. After all, Linux is the largest piece of software in the Android stack that Google doesn't control

  13. why do I want this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone confirm that fuchsia is something other than an information harvesting program built from the ground up?

    There needs to be a cellphone Linux that isn't controlled by government lucky tech giants.

    1. Re: why do I want this by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

      Sailfish.

  14. The Ranks? by Pyramid · · Score: 1

    When will it and Chrome join the ranks of operating systems that run Android applications *well*?

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  15. Re:Another step closer to removing Linux from Andr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once Fuchia stabilizes, I see most "Linux" distributions switching over pretty quickly and eventually most "Linux" users. No one in there right mind wants to continue to use the freedom-destroying GPL licensed software. The GPL is viral and grows like a cancer on all software it touches, and that is bad for business and freedom.

  16. Re:Another step closer to removing Linux from Andr by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Are you retarded?

    Google can contribute to Linux. Google can fork Linux.

  17. Re:Another step closer to removing Linux from Andr by iampiti · · Score: 1

    - The insult isn't necessary.
    - Yes, they can and they do contribute but the can't control what others do with Linux or its complete design and overall direction as they can obviously do with something they develop themselves and the kernel in Fuchsia.

  18. Re:Another step closer to removing Linux from Andr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one in there right mind wants to continue to use the freedom-destroying GPL licensed software. The GPL is viral and grows like a cancer on all software it touches, and that is bad for business and freedom.

    Methinks anyone who thinks GPL takes away freedom just doesn't get it.

    If the GPL was so bad then Linux would have failed, and everyone would be using FreeBSD (or Fuchia, or whatever).

    But the GPL is precisely why Linux has been so successful. Yes, there IS a cost ... it forces cooperation between folks that normally wouldn't. But we all get to reach higher.

    If GPL doesn't work for you then you ... <gasp> ... can choose something other than Linux, but as many others have found, be prepared for larger development/maintenance effort.

    Context: I am a fan of all open-source software including both Linux and FreeBSD (and I look forward to Fuchia too).

  19. Re:Another step closer to removing Linux from Andr by sexconker · · Score: 1

    The insult isn't necessary.

    It was a question, and it was prompted because your reasoning was "Linux is the largest piece of software in the Android stack that Google doesn't control", which shows a fundamental lack of understanding.

    Yes, they can and they do contribute but the can't control what others do with Linux or its complete design and overall direction as they can obviously do with something they develop themselves and the kernel in Fuchsia.

    As I mentioned, they can fork Linux if they want to control the entire direction of the project for their own purposes.

    The only reason to develop Fuchsia is so you can foist a completely black box spyware OS on billions of devices.

  20. texttwist by Parvo00 · · Score: 1

    Very interesting and texttwist 2 full of fun while playing this game.